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Judge Greer’s Decisions: Another Look

2005-04-03
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In an attempt to not be unduly harsh or partisan, in regards to Judge Greer’s handling of and rulings on the Terri Schiavo case, I took another look at Florida State law. As some individuals continue to assert that Judge Greer ‘followed the law to the letter’ and was strictly ‘constructionist’ and ‘conservative’ in his rulings, I thought I might have misinterpreted Florida law as it is written. If I’d made an error in my assessments of the case and in fairness to the honorable judge, it certainly warranted my additional review. I’ve made mistakes before and will, no doubt, make them again! Alas, it strongly appears that I was correct the first, second and third times.

Florida statutes regarding euthanasia (or as our friends to the left of center wish to call it ‘the right to die’) seem relatively clear. Florida statute 765.309: Mercy Killing of Euthanasia Not Authorized; Suicide Distinguished states: 1) “Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act of omission to end the life other than to permit the natural process of dying”; 2) “The withholding or withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures from a patient in accordance with any provision of this chapter does not, for any purpose, constitute a suicide”. Note: I find the phrase “or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act of omission to end the life other than to permit the natural process of dying” of particular interest and salience. The omission, for Terri Schiavo, was food and water. Barely (or not at all in my opinion) arguable, is that ‘withholding food and water’ constitutes a ‘natural death’.

One of the arguments detractors and pro-euthanasia advocates present is that Terri Schiavo had ‘feeding and hydration tubes’ inserted in her body and those, alone, were ‘sustaining her life artificially’. I strongly disagree with that allegation and interpretation of “artificial”. But, for the moment, let’s assume it is true. Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer also ruled that no one was allowed to give Terri food or water orally. Had she been given sustenance in this “natural” way, Terri would not be dead, today. The evidence that Terri Schiavo was forced to die by the direction of the state is unequivocal. Also, let’s take a look at the phrase “the withholding or withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures from a patient in accordance with any provision of this chapter does not, for any purpose, constitute a suicide”. As we know, Terri’s death was not suicide. Rather, it was ‘death by the hands of another’; her estranged husband and the US court system. Florida law and statute 765.309 was, indeed, violated.

Florida statute 458.326 Intractable Pain; Authorized Treatment: “Nothing in this section shall be construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, and no treatment authorized by this section may be used for such purpose.” Again, this statute is clear in its refusal to accept, condone or allow euthanasia. Then, there is Florida statute 782.08 Assisting Self-Murder: “Every person deliberately assisting another in the commission of self-murder shall be guilty of manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s.775.082, s. 775.083 or s.775.084.” Seems fairly evident that this law was, also, broken. But, as judges are the ones who ‘interpret the laws’, in order to affect and impose their wills upon a gullible population, they have ‘interpreted’ the laws differently. Note: With the explicit language of Florida statutes, the only way (that seems even remotely plausible) they could have done so was to disregard said laws. Yet, another Florida statute that was deliberately violated? Certainly seems so.

An additional Florida statute, which seems to have been disregarded by the courts, is 744.3215 “Rights of persons determined incapacitated”. I’ve received myriad emails arguing that Terri Schiavo, in her condition, was neither guaranteed nor even allowed an attorney. Well, kids, that’s not what 744.3215 says. In fact, this statute states, amongst other rights afforded to the disabled, that “A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right: (l) to counsel”. That counsel (IE legal counsel) would be in the form of a legal advocate. Terri was denied legal counsel. Another of the guaranteed rights in this Florida statute is (d) “to be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation”. Suffice it to say, Terri Schiavo was not in any way “protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation”; unless one considers her killing to actually have been her “protection”. Insanity! Euthanasia is not protection and is, most certainly, exhibiting “abuse, neglect and exploitation”. Murder is one of the most severe forms of abuse.

Then there are the specious declarations that those individuals who signed sworn affidavits, in favor of Terri Schiavo, were “not credible”. Really? Then, why in the world would they have affected them? What did they have to gain? The only thing that three nurses “gained” was to lose their jobs after agreeing to testify against Michael Schiavo. Hmmm. Doesn’t sound like they gained much…or anything. The problem is that whenever the pro-euthanasia/ culture of death folks are challenged, they become agitated and start shrieking one of their mainstay mantras “it’s unconstitutional!”; even when that which is being effected is constitutional. So, the next time one of the death-cultists “double-dog dares you” to provide proof of your arguments on the Schiavo case, just quote them chapter and verse of Florida state law. And, if that doesn’t shut them up, there’s always Amendment XIV to the US Constitution.

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  • Rich

    Hey, did you guys see this?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8225637/

  • Rich

    Hey, did you guys see this?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8225637/

  • Anonymous

    Sounds very much like placing the tubes in Terri was Michael Schiavo’s first step toward her murder. He could then say “she can’t take food and water on her own”, while knowing full well that she could.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds very much like placing the tubes in Terri was Michael Schiavo’s first step toward her murder. He could then say “she can’t take food and water on her own”, while knowing full well that she could.

  • Anonymous

    One thing that’s being missed here is that Terri Schiavo COULD take food and water orally. She had done so, very well, at Palm Gardens Hospice. There was never any indication that she could not swallow as she had been doing so up to the time that Michael Schiavo ordered the feeding and hydration tubes inserted. This was over the objections of the hospice nurses. However, as guardian, he could order what he wanted. He did not want her to take nourishment orally.

  • Anonymous

    One thing that’s being missed here is that Terri Schiavo COULD take food and water orally. She had done so, very well, at Palm Gardens Hospice. There was never any indication that she could not swallow as she had been doing so up to the time that Michael Schiavo ordered the feeding and hydration tubes inserted. This was over the objections of the hospice nurses. However, as guardian, he could order what he wanted. He did not want her to take nourishment orally.

  • Anonymous

    “And as for orally sustaining her, anyone who tried would have been guilty or premeditated murder, since the reason she was on the tube in the first place was because she could not orally take nourishment.”

    Again…delivering food and water orally, would be in lieu of (“instead of”) feeding and hydration tubes.

  • Anonymous

    “And as for orally sustaining her, anyone who tried would have been guilty or premeditated murder, since the reason she was on the tube in the first place was because she could not orally take nourishment.”

    Again…delivering food and water orally, would be in lieu of (“instead of”) feeding and hydration tubes.

  • Anonymous

    Good analysis. Thank you.

    And as for orally sustaining her, anyone who tried would have been guilty or premeditated murder, since the reason she was on the tube in the first place was because she could not orally take nourishment. See previous post “As to the author’s assertion that she could have been fed orally, that is ridiculous. My wife (an RN) was actually laughing at the boneheads running into the hospice with jugs of water. The quickest way to kill a patient receiving water and food through a stomach tube is to pour water or food down their throat.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/5590774 Cedric

    Good analysis. Thank you.

    And as for orally sustaining her, anyone who tried would have been guilty or premeditated murder, since the reason she was on the tube in the first place was because she could not orally take nourishment. See previous post “As to the author’s assertion that she could have been fed orally, that is ridiculous. My wife (an RN) was actually laughing at the boneheads running into the hospice with jugs of water. The quickest way to kill a patient receiving water and food through a stomach tube is to pour water or food down their throat.

  • Anonymous

    Good analysis. Thank you.

    And as for orally sustaining her, anyone who tried would have been guilty or premeditated murder, since the reason she was on the tube in the first place was because she could not orally take nourishment. See previous post “As to the author’s assertion that she could have been fed orally, that is ridiculous. My wife (an RN) was actually laughing at the boneheads running into the hospice with jugs of water. The quickest way to kill a patient receiving water and food through a stomach tube is to pour water or food down their throat.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/5590774 Cedric

    Good analysis. Thank you.

    And as for orally sustaining her, anyone who tried would have been guilty or premeditated murder, since the reason she was on the tube in the first place was because she could not orally take nourishment. See previous post “As to the author’s assertion that she could have been fed orally, that is ridiculous. My wife (an RN) was actually laughing at the boneheads running into the hospice with jugs of water. The quickest way to kill a patient receiving water and food through a stomach tube is to pour water or food down their throat.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/5590774 Cedric

    Good analysis. Thank you.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/5590774 Cedric

    Good analysis. Thank you.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/5590774 Cedric

    Good analysis. Thank you.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/5590774 Cedric

    Good analysis. Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    “765.101 defines “Life-prolonging procedures” as “including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores or supplants a spontaneous vital function.”

    Suffice it to say, giving food and water orally would be in lieu of feeding tubes.

    “Don’t leave out facts detrimental to your argument…”

    Not at all. The statutes, as stated, are correct and not to be misinterpreted. The question, which was posed in Judge Greer’s court, was do the rights of a guardian to euthanize his/her charge supercede that of the existing Florida statutes against euthanasia. Greer ruled the guardian trumped the [other] anti-euthanasia statutes, choosing to “err on the side of death”. You may wish to read Attorney Pat Anderson’s dissertations on this case. They are, rather, outstanding.

  • Anonymous

    “765.101 defines “Life-prolonging procedures” as “including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores or supplants a spontaneous vital function.”

    Suffice it to say, giving food and water orally would be in lieu of feeding tubes.

    “Don’t leave out facts detrimental to your argument…”

    Not at all. The statutes, as stated, are correct and not to be misinterpreted. The question, which was posed in Judge Greer’s court, was do the rights of a guardian to euthanize his/her charge supercede that of the existing Florida statutes against euthanasia. Greer ruled the guardian trumped the [other] anti-euthanasia statutes, choosing to “err on the side of death”. You may wish to read Attorney Pat Anderson’s dissertations on this case. They are, rather, outstanding.

  • Anonymous

    I’m an Independent who leans heavily to the right (about 90% of the time). I’m usually shocked when I find myself leaning the other way, but I still refuse to toe the party line just because “a Conservative said it”. I believe that the greatest threat to this country is the inability of individuals to think critically. I also get a little ticked when Leftists conveniently leave important facts out of a debate, facts that are damaging to their view. That being said, this article conveniently left out some facts that are rather important. Since we are arguing law, and whether Judge Greer followed the law (not whether the law as written is right or wrong), let’s look at some of these facts. Chapter 765 of the Florida Statutes covers Health Care Advance Directives. Statute 765.101 defines “Life-prolonging procedures” as “including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores or supplants a spontaneous vital function”. That is exactly what was occurring in this case. As to the author’s assertion that she could have been fed orally, that is ridiculous. My wife (an RN) was actually laughing at the boneheads running into the hospice with jugs of water. The quickest way to kill a patient receiving water and food through a stomach tube is to pour water or food down their throat. Now, Part 2 of Chapter 765 talks about Health Surrogates, who take over the decision making process when 2 physicians, independently of one another, make the determination that the patient lacks the capacity to make her own decisions. If there is no advanced directive identifying such a surrogate (as in this case) then Chapter 4 (765.401) states the who may be appointed the proxy in the following order: 1) court-appointed guardian; 2) patient’s spouse; 3) adult child of patient; 4) parent of patient. As is clear under State Law, Mr. Schiavo had priority over his in-laws, under the law, to act as his wife’s proxy. As the proxy, he was able to, under 765.401(3) to withdraw life-prolonging procedures if that decision is supported by clear and convincing evidence that this decision would have been that of the patient’s or if such a decision is in the patient’s best interest. The main question is whether there was such clear and convincing evidence. However, that is a question of fact, not the law. Even then, 765.105 provides the family with the ability to ask the courts to intervene, which is what happened in this case. As to 765.309 (concerning mercy killing and euthanasia), it is clear when the “entire” statute is read that this section speaks of actions outside the guidelines set forth in this statute. The Legislature was stating that, if the guidelines in this statute were followed, the resulting death would not be considered mercy killing or euthanasia. Look, everyone is entitled to an opinion on this matter. Was the decision correct? As to the finding that, by clear and convincing evidence this was Ms. Schiavo’s wish…I don’t know. That is a finding of fact by the court and is open for debate. However, this article concerned whether the law — as written — was followed by Judge Greer. It was followed to the letter. I will also ask that all Conservatives refrain from lowering themselves to the level of the Left. Don’t leave out facts detrimental to your argument..that’s what boneheads like Al Franken, Bill Marr, and James Carvel do so well. State all the facts and then argue your position based on those facts. Be persuasive, not evasive.

  • Anonymous

    I’m an Independent who leans heavily to the right (about 90% of the time). I’m usually shocked when I find myself leaning the other way, but I still refuse to toe the party line just because “a Conservative said it”. I believe that the greatest threat to this country is the inability of individuals to think critically. I also get a little ticked when Leftists conveniently leave important facts out of a debate, facts that are damaging to their view. That being said, this article conveniently left out some facts that are rather important. Since we are arguing law, and whether Judge Greer followed the law (not whether the law as written is right or wrong), let’s look at some of these facts. Chapter 765 of the Florida Statutes covers Health Care Advance Directives. Statute 765.101 defines “Life-prolonging procedures” as “including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores or supplants a spontaneous vital function”. That is exactly what was occurring in this case. As to the author’s assertion that she could have been fed orally, that is ridiculous. My wife (an RN) was actually laughing at the boneheads running into the hospice with jugs of water. The quickest way to kill a patient receiving water and food through a stomach tube is to pour water or food down their throat. Now, Part 2 of Chapter 765 talks about Health Surrogates, who take over the decision making process when 2 physicians, independently of one another, make the determination that the patient lacks the capacity to make her own decisions. If there is no advanced directive identifying such a surrogate (as in this case) then Chapter 4 (765.401) states the who may be appointed the proxy in the following order: 1) court-appointed guardian; 2) patient’s spouse; 3) adult child of patient; 4) parent of patient. As is clear under State Law, Mr. Schiavo had priority over his in-laws, under the law, to act as his wife’s proxy. As the proxy, he was able to, under 765.401(3) to withdraw life-prolonging procedures if that decision is supported by clear and convincing evidence that this decision would have been that of the patient’s or if such a decision is in the patient’s best interest. The main question is whether there was such clear and convincing evidence. However, that is a question of fact, not the law. Even then, 765.105 provides the family with the ability to ask the courts to intervene, which is what happened in this case. As to 765.309 (concerning mercy killing and euthanasia), it is clear when the “entire” statute is read that this section speaks of actions outside the guidelines set forth in this statute. The Legislature was stating that, if the guidelines in this statute were followed, the resulting death would not be considered mercy killing or euthanasia. Look, everyone is entitled to an opinion on this matter. Was the decision correct? As to the finding that, by clear and convincing evidence this was Ms. Schiavo’s wish…I don’t know. That is a finding of fact by the court and is open for debate. However, this article concerned whether the law — as written — was followed by Judge Greer. It was followed to the letter. I will also ask that all Conservatives refrain from lowering themselves to the level of the Left. Don’t leave out facts detrimental to your argument..that’s what boneheads like Al Franken, Bill Marr, and James Carvel do so well. State all the facts and then argue your position based on those facts. Be persuasive, not evasive.

  • Anonymous

    Robert, the judges just ignore the laws, if they don’t suit them. That appears to be what Greer did throughout the Schiavo case. Many judges have god complexes.

  • Anonymous

    Robert, the judges just ignore the laws, if they don’t suit them. That appears to be what Greer did throughout the Schiavo case. Many judges have god complexes.

  • Anonymous

    This is the first time I’ve seen these laws published. How did Judge Greer manage to get around them?

    Robert-

  • Anonymous

    This is the first time I’ve seen these laws published. How did Judge Greer manage to get around them?

    Robert-

  • Anonymous

    You can put truth, facts, laws etc. in the death-cult’s face, all day and all night long. They still won’t pay any attention to anything except killing the innocents and keeping the criminals (like them) alive.

  • Anonymous

    You can put truth, facts, laws etc. in the death-cult’s face, all day and all night long. They still won’t pay any attention to anything except killing the innocents and keeping the criminals (like them) alive.

  • Anonymous

    Well…these facts are documented in Florida law. Wonder what the Deathocrats will use now. Make up some new lies? Probably.

    Proud Texas

  • Anonymous

    Well…these facts are documented in Florida law. Wonder what the Deathocrats will use now. Make up some new lies? Probably.

    Proud Texas







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