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December 18th, 2005 at 8:08 am
Once again the US Congress kowtows to anti-men feminism and renews the worst anti-men, anti-family law ever conceived by the feminazi. This time the feminazi had the concurrent support of quisling faux “men’s” groups who pretend to advocate for men’s rights while helping the misnandrists renew the very law that has authorized, mandated, and funded the destruction of so many of our brothers, our families, and our children. The enemies of men should be publically destroyed.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:47 pm
Or publicly hung. No one who calls themselves a feminist can be
pro-male. They are mutually exclusive. Feminism is based on the BIG Lie: male patriarchal oppression. There NEVER was male patriarchal oppression of women in the U.S.. If one believes in equality, fairness and justice for all, men and women, then they will not follow an idealogy based on hatred and separtism as is feminism.
They will call themselves a person of integrity, an equalitarian, or simply a person who believes in equality, justice and fairness for all.
Feminism began with the WKKK, the Women’s Ku Klux Klan in the 1800’s and has been spreading lies and hatred ever since.
The word Feminism equates to Nazism, Fascism, Communism.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:49 pm
“The enemies of men should be publically destroyed.”
That would be interesting.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:53 pm
The VAWA is a political weapon and loyalty oath that politicians give radical feminazis in exchange for the feminazi vote in the USA. Since women are not a minority and are the true majority voting population, legislation such as the VAWA is used to pander to women and create a co-dependent police state activity to dehumanize, terrorize and plunder men to benefit the communist police state construct in the USA.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Feminist 4 Fathers has to be an oxymoron.
Feminists are only interested in “women, the victim”.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:27 pm
Guys, there are radical feminists who call themselves feminists. I believe you’re thinking about them. I’m an egalitarian feminist. I believe in equality, not domination. I’m sorry for everything they’ve done in our name. Many women are just learning that the term feminist has been tarnished, something it seems men have known for quite some time, and we’re angry too.
Teri
(egalitarian) Feminist4Fathers
December 18th, 2005 at 6:47 pm
wrong.
you have missed my point.
Take a test:
say you lived in Nazi Germany in the 1940s. Say you joined voluntarily. Say you knew about the atrocities committed by the Nazis including some of it’s leaders. Say you new of mass demonisation of certain groups of people. Say you new of the killings and the discrimination.
When asked by someone why you would call yourself a Nazi know ing these things you say:
“I’m not THAT kind of Nazi”
Would it matter? Would you not be giving some endorsement to what has been done by calling yourself a Nazi? Would you not be giving Nazism some legitimacy?
Feminism started in the U.S. as part of the Women’s Ku Klux Klan.
How can you legitimize your own political idealogy with one that had roots in racist hatred and separtism and later spread hate to ALL men?
YOU have never been oppressed in this country and neither have ANY previous generations of women.This is all part of the Big Lie.
Why not join the part of the human race that believes in fairness, justice and equality for all? We are known as human beings. equalitarians, and people of integrity.
You are a member of a hate movement.
Men that believe in equality, fairness, and justice for all have not in the past called themselves masculinists. They called themselves men of integrity, men of justice, men of fairness.
You are a part of the problem for all men as long as you consider yourself a feminist.
Using the label means you buy into the view that women have been oppressed. Otherwise you would not be gender specific. You would simply be a person of integrity…just as some other women are…and some other men are.
The word is equal to Nazi, Fascist, Marxist.
Feminism in all it’s labels are part of the same evil.
It must be destroyed.
December 18th, 2005 at 7:13 pm
Men rights activists cannot wage war against an idealogy that aims to strip them of all of their rights and justice when that idealogy claims to have many forms-and some forms that even contradict themselves.
It becomes a moving target for men’s rights activists that impedes their efforts. Feminists do this to blunt and slow down the opposition to them by Men’s rights activists.
MRAs will eventually make feminism, in all it’s names, a dirty word.
Those women who think like you do will have to come up with a different word than feminism someday.
Any form of the word feminism means that you believe there is some area where women have been treated unfairly as a group by men as a group-or you believe women as a group deserve special treatment in some area over men as a group by virtue of simply being female.
The “some area” part may be different with the various forms of feminism-but for men they ALL mean one thing: unfairness to men.
Men will increasingly show hostility to women who claim to be a member of any form of feminism.
When millions of men get angry we will rock this country to the very foundations.
Feminism must die.
December 18th, 2005 at 8:00 pm
Hmm… I’m using the term Feminist4Fathers as a marketing tool. I don’t attend NOW meetings or anything. Never have.
I think I’m a pretty average American woman, of my generation. We were duped. We were never told these things you write about. I first heard the word about 30 years ago, and ignorantly trusted them ever since to do the right thing.
One of my goals is to teach other innocent women who call themselves feminists what it really is they’re standing up for.
I’m sorry the word offends you, I really am. But I have to use what works. The goal of true equality for BOTH genders is the most important thing here, right?
Teri
December 18th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
It offends me as much as Nazi does. As much as Fascist, Marxist.
It says a lot about how much American women have been been “duped”, that you need to use what is the equivalent to other evil idealogies from history to try and get a message across.
Again you miss my point. To say that the main thrust of my message is a problem with “the word” is incorrect.
It is USING the word that gives the idealogy continued legitimacy and continued life and THAT IS the thrust of my message.
Words matter. They are the construction of ideas. Ideas are powerful.
The WORD feminism represents ideas.
Those ideas are the antithesis of true equality to BOTH genders. If equality for both genders is truly your mission then you logically would eliminate a gender-specific self-label.
Needing this word as a marketing tool is flimsy. If women can only be reached through it they are not worth the effort to reach. That says they already have been programmed and are part of the lost generation. Women are already getting that message of rejection. More will as time goes by.
Reach the women who are at the fork in the road and have as yet not decided. That is the future.That is how you can make an impact.
Feminist women are getting the message daily from men where they stand with us. WE can make them understand what being a feminist will mean for them. We do that everyday.
December 18th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
nothing but luv for ya Teri,and your right true equality is the goal. I have 3 daughters and 2 sons and want the best for all of them.radical feminists are the enemy not women like you,Roberts or McElroy (among others).
After being chewed up by the DV/feminazi machine I was given custody of all my children becuase my WIFE KNEW she had a problem with her anger. We both even went to jail after “violating” a mutual restraining order.She followed me around for months saying she was manipulated by the system and she didn’t want any of this.I didn’t belive her until I did some research on the subject, reading articles by you ,McElroy,Roberts and joining a web group TABS2 run by Lisa Scott, a WA lawyer.I added my name on your website as well.The real enemy isn’t misled women or men , Its the radfems with their family destroying ideology and the massive system they have created in the last 30-40 years.
The system didn’t destroy my family and my wife and I are stronger and smarter for it.
With a little help from women like you. So thanks, and keep up the good work.
December 18th, 2005 at 8:33 pm
People who have no issues against an entire gender never use gender-specific labels to descibe their political idealogy.
These people are known as men, women, or simply human beings.
They fight for what is right and do not bring a gender-specific label bias into the debate.
December 18th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
denis,
I’m not so quick to give up on older women. What if my friends in the fathers’ movement had given up on me? It took 2 years before I believed everything I was reading about feminism. As a woman who honestly believed it was a good thing, I assumed it was just bitter men venting.
It took a long time, but I did learn. If my friends had given up on me I would never have written the 2 articles on the side panel of my blog.
My passion is child custody. Those articles clearly show that current family law hurts parents of both genders. I believe that you men need women to join you in your fight. I can reach those women.
No one likes to be told what to do. No one wants to take on another’s point of view just because they’re told it’s right. Sometimes people need to be convinced. I’m lucky that my writing can touch people. You go ahead and do your thing your way. I choose to use my heart to reach others.
Teri
December 19th, 2005 at 4:37 am
It really doesn’t matter that there are a handful of women that sympathise with men and the men’s rights movement. That is like being a citizen of Nazi Germany and watching the Jews go to concentration camps. I am sure there were a handful of nice Nazis in Germany that didn’t want to see the Jews wiped out, but that didn’t help the Jews, and in the USA the handful of women that have sympathy for men simply don’t matter.
Let’s face the facts together. Thirty years ago a new form of gender communism emerged under the name of ‘feminism’. Feminism is communism as homosexuality is communism. Feminism seeks the classless, genderless anti-family nation-state void of religion and demands the installment of hyper secularism in its stead. Feminism is communism.
Men today have seen a communist police state emerge in the United States so vast and powerful that even Stalin himself would be envious of it. Tens of thousands of men are imprisoned in feminist gulag prisons all across the country at this very moment simply for owing ‘money’ to some female and her bastard offspring. That is communism and the gulag prisons are centers of communist reeducation.
Don’t pay? No problem. Go to jail. Disagree with the feminist police state and it’s objectives? No problem. Go to jail. Don’t want to agree to the classless division of property in the racketeering and corrupt organizations of the divorce industry? No problem. Go to jail. Make a female in the United States feel ‘unsafe’? No problem. Go to jail. Don’t give a female a promotion at work that she wants that she doesn’t deserve then eat the lawsuit. Disagree with it? No problem. Go to jail. Think the state ‘child enforcement’ spies that drive through your neighborhood around the clock preying upon American families are abnormal, so what? Disagree and go to jail. Try to see your kids. Go to jail. Violate some restraining order. Go to jail. Mention religion to your kids. Go to jail. Walk on your kid’s school grounds to see them. Go to jail. Call your kids on the telephone. Go to jail. Think marriage is a contract? It used to be. Not anymore. Don’t like the new contract where the female can break any part of it that she wants with impunity? No problem. Go to jail.
So STOP thinking you live in a free country. You live in a police state. A communist-centric police state that has created a war between genders and men are the target for termination.
December 19th, 2005 at 8:22 am
Teri there are a number of equality minded women out there making a difference (my wife Jen ‘the Biscuit Queen’ is one), and while I understand the black and white thinking of Denis (and I basically agree with his assessment), I think the need to reach as broad an audience as possible means it’s important for moderate voices to be the ones that are heard by the general public.
At this point I think it imprudent to broadly and publicly push an anti-”feminist” (the word and the general movement) agenda… at least not until we’ve reframed the meaning of the word in the mind of Joe and Jane citizen. Currently, comparing Feminism with Fascism would do nothing more than alienate most of the folks out there who would most likely agree with our desire for true equality. We need to convey our position in terms those folks can relate to (the damage being done to THEIR children and grandchildren is a good place to start).
Keep up the good work.
Dave K
December 19th, 2005 at 8:45 am
I respectfully disagree with the above post.
Today Congress killed the Patriot Act which would have only infringed on the Bill of Rights protection of known and suspected terrorists. The government has been eavesdropping on several thousand Al Queda members or supporters currently operating within the U.S. border. If you are not engaging in threatening activities associated with the War on Terror you have nothing to fear(However I agree that the government should limit the time of the Act and the people should be vigilant to government abuse.)
Why do I bring THIS up?
Because the Congress has passed the VAWA which denies ALL MEN their Bill of Rights protections.
THESE ARE DESPERATE TIMES FOR MEN IN AMERICA.
I agree with obtestor’s post.
Such a situation demands a loud miltant male voice.
For 40+ years there have been NO voices of reason coming anywhere from American women.
Now that some women are seeing male rage they have all of a sudden “found religion” on the rights of men?
I don’t think so.
It’s disingenuous to think these women are strongly committed to justice for men. They wish to limit the backlash. They wish to preserve as much as they can in the face of growing male outrage.
To say women have been “duped” is to believe the “woman as victim” mindset pervasive with American women.
The ONLY hope for men is to unleash their outrage on this society. The government, the institutions ALL must hear from us.
December 19th, 2005 at 9:44 am
“Because the Congress has passed the VAWA which denies ALL MEN their Bill of Rights protections.”
I would accept 100 different variations of the Patriot Act at the same time instead of the VAWA. The VAWA is the foundation of the feminista’s communist police state. The VAWA creates a legal mythology that women in the United States are victims of endless amounts of violence caused by “men” and that only police, lawyers, doctors and judges can sort it all out. In that ’sorting out’, only a police state can exert enough force upon the perpetrators of the mythological violence —–> men.
In any society where the police are called in to sort out family issues it is a police state. That is what police states do. Since women are histrionic exhibitionists who must perform eloquently to get their way with any symbol of authority in the nation-state system, women will readily surrender their constitutional rights in exchange for a platform of bullying to control and terrorize society. However, the histrionic American collective of females that do this have forgotten to get permission from men for men to hand over our constitutional rights. Men are unwilling to do so.
Since women are the majority voting population (52% last count and growing), it is a tyranny of the majority against the true minority (men).
I think that it is time for men to put a stop to this nonsense. A matriarchal society appears when women command it. America was not designed, nor was any other nation in history, to be ruled by women. Men recognize the value of constitutional rights bestowed upon them by the creator. Women do not. Women will hand over their constitutional rights without a word if government promises them a license to steal which they have through the divorce racketeering syndicate and the family courts. Women love the police state which protects them as they do this.
December 19th, 2005 at 1:12 pm
Utilising the term “feminist” implies that feminist have some regard or are concerned about Fathers, something that is such a lie that it’s way past a joke.
Attaching the word “feminist” against anything male is an insult and is in direct opposition to males.
What are you thinking ?
I have never seen or heard of such a directly opposing term.
December 19th, 2005 at 1:43 pm
“Women will hand over their constitutional rights without a word if government promises them a license to steal which they have through the divorce racketeering syndicate and the family courts. Women love the police state which protects them as they do this.”
And this statement gives insight as to the REAL reason why women have been so silent about the loss of rights for men over the past 40+ years.
No-women have not been duped.
Women have been taking and taking and taking from men for all these 40+ years-and wrecking the lives of millions of men in the process.
The jig is up.
December 19th, 2005 at 1:51 pm
Guys,
You can think whatever you want. I listen to my peers, and most really have had no clue about the destruction of men. Yes, the radical and political feminists know…they’re your opposition. But the average woman, even the ones who use the term, they do want both genders to have equality. Ask the women around you. See what they say. Please try to not be offended. My use of the term is not a putdown to men…far from it! I love, respect and honor you.
Teri
December 19th, 2005 at 4:41 pm
Denis I didn’t say there should not be a militant voice for men out there… I simply said that such a voice will have very limited impact as long as the general population is unable to understand where it’s coming from.
Yelling louder doesn’t help the person trying to understand you when you’re speaking another language… and your posts above might as well be in Chinese for all the impact they’ll have on most of the sheep out there. The militant activist voice is most effective in motivating those of us who are ALREADY activists… and in that respect your fairly astute observations are beneficial. Just don’t entertain the illusion that someone who knows nothing about what we’re trying to accomplish is going to ever respond positively to your posture (quite the opposite is much more likely).
The curse of pragmatism renders me incapable of long term adherence to any radical position, and so I find myself clearly seeing the need for BOTH points of attack, yours and Teri’s, militant and moderate. For me, it’s results that count, and the movement needs to be directed by people who pursue ANY and EVERY method that works, not just methods that adhere to a particular ideology or point of view.
December 19th, 2005 at 7:12 pm
“and your posts above might as well be in Chinese for all the impact they’ll have on most of the sheep out there”
Hopefully you would agree that the above statement is your OPINION.
I have to disagree with the opinion.
We do agree that ANY tactic that works for men is probably worth using.
I could never show respect to someone who calls themself a feminist just like I could not show respect to someone who calls themself a Nazi.
That’s just how I am.
December 19th, 2005 at 8:24 pm
denis,
Surely you’re above labels. Respect my work, not my blog name.
Teri
December 20th, 2005 at 7:06 pm
Equality?!?! We don’t need no steenkin’ equality!!!
Teri there are a number of equality minded women out there making a difference (my wife Jen ‘the Biscuit Queen’ is one), and while I understand the black and white thinking of Denis (and I basically agree with his assessment), I think the need to reach as broad an audience as possible means it’s important for moderate voices to be the ones that are heard by the general public.
At this point I think it imprudent to broadly and publicly push an anti-”feminist” (the word and the general movement) agenda… at least not until we’ve reframed the meaning of the word in the mind of Joe and Jane citizen. Currently, comparing Feminism with Fascism would do nothing more than alienate most of the folks out there who would most likely agree with our desire for true equality. We need to convey our position in terms those folks can relate to (the damage being done to THEIR children and grandchildren is a good place to start).
The problem is that few people want “true equality”. This is precisely why Phylas Schlafly was able to successfully torpedoe the ERA and infuriate the left by claiming that the ERA would force women to be drafted. (She was able to accomplish this because she used feminist’s own rhetoric of “equality” even as feminists knew that “equality” meant “all the goodies men have without any of the responsibilities.”) That rotten Schlafly! She lied to women by saying that feminism really was honest about their egalitarian rhetoric!!!
Anyways, other than a few wierdo feminists during the 70’s who made their husbands carry purses and had their sons play with dolls, most women liked the equal pay part (for them, at least) but opposed equality in nearly all other facets of life.
In fact, I blame American women’s worldwide reputation for snottiness and materialism on their bitter disappointment with men failing to live up to traditional standards. Women have _too_ much equality in the states and they’re miserable with it.
So clearly, saying to them that you support “equality” isn’t going to get such women terribly enthusiastic about the prospect of supporting househusbands carrying purses. Sell anti-feminism to them in that it will mean men will hold open doors again for them, happily, and not either have a secret agenda _or_ take it out on them later.
December 21st, 2005 at 12:22 pm
“I’m an egalitarian feminist. I believe in equality, not domination.”
So here we have a self-confessed FEMINIST. Using the term F…..4fathers as a toe-in, under a disguise as being someone that wants to help. Feminists are anethema
Feminism by any other use still stinks to high heaven.
Want to help males, get rid of that obnoxious term or keep facing the same result as you are getting now.
Personally, I am totally uniterested in anyone that uses that term as it is the most repulsive word that I can think of. Totally meaningless when it comes to the Men’s Movement or pretending to assist it.
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:11 am
You can not claim to help a group of people and then label yourself the very thing that they oppose. Im a young black man from the UK. I could not label myself a black supremisist but then say to white people “but Im on your side”
Just like to say I read the site everyday even though most of the stories are USA centric. Im just waiting for the UK femiloons to catch up to their USA sisters.