Lord of the Fleiss: Charlie Sheen the New Leader of 9/11 Conspiracists

[...] Lord of the Fleiss: Charlie Sheen the New Leader of 9/11 Conspiracists [...]

Actually, Charlie Sheen is a very brave and patriotic person for coming out and open in the media about September 11.
Brave because he will be made rediculous by people, like you, that will play it personally and not listening to what he accually says.
(This Lord of the Fleiss column is a classic example)

Its rediculous what you are doing and outrages for the familie of the 9/11 victums, since they deserve the truth about what happened.
Because of news reports like this it doesnt.

Listen online to the complete Charlie Sheen interview here:
http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/200306sheen.htm

Watch Charlie Sheen on CNN at this online video:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/240306alexvideo.htm

He gave a second interview about September 11 today:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/240306sheen.htm

Please listen to what he says, its about time we, the people wake up.

Actually, Charlie Sheen is a very brave and patriotic person for coming out and open in the media about September 11.
Brave because he will be made rediculous by people, like you, that will play it personally and not listening to what he accually says.
(This Lord of the Fleiss column is a classic example)

Its rediculous what you are doing and outrages for the familie of the 9/11 victums, since they deserve the truth about what happened.
Because of news reports like this it doesnt.

Listen online to the complete Charlie Sheen interview here:
http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/200306sheen.htm

Watch Charlie Sheen on CNN at this online video:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/240306alexvideo.htm

He gave a second interview about September 11 today:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/240306sheen.htm

Please listen to what he says, its about time we, the people wake up.

Charlie Sheen truely is a hero. Any American citizen with their head screwed on tight would agree when considering the facts presented. This is neither a left nor right issue.

THE THREE STAGES OF TRUTH – According to Alex Patterson

“It would appear to be an indelible human trait that the ‘truth’ about most issues usually goes through three distinct phases known colloquially as “the three stages of truth”.
During the first stage, the issue goes unnoticed and is ignored.
The second stage is characterised by a period of vehement denial.
The third stage witnesses the truth about the issue being recognised as self evident.”

Charlie Sheen truely is a hero. Any American citizen with their head screwed on tight would agree when considering the facts presented. This is neither a left nor right issue.

THE THREE STAGES OF TRUTH – According to Alex Patterson

“It would appear to be an indelible human trait that the ‘truth’ about most issues usually goes through three distinct phases known colloquially as “the three stages of truth”.
During the first stage, the issue goes unnoticed and is ignored.
The second stage is characterised by a period of vehement denial.
The third stage witnesses the truth about the issue being recognised as self evident.”

A note to younger folks, from one who grew up in the hippie generation: Free love, dope, and “if it feels good, do it” were the slogans of the day. We didn’t realized that the source of these “visions” were feminism and communism. Self gratification via drugs and endless sex only leads to poor analytical skills and a really messed up personal life.

This war has nothing to do with Vietnam. We had no stake in Vietnam. In the middle east, we have a bunch of religious nuts (who should be in the Guinness Book), who want to kill us and have done so in astonishing ways. These people are now in Iraq to get their hands on the billions oil revenue in Iraq to fund their operations with.

Of course, those who are stoned solid are not going to care about it until the IED in front of his house blows them up.

But then, Sheen won’t pay the price that the rest of the crack heads will. He and the rest of the Hollywood elite will be continuing their orgiastic experiments on a nice safe remote island long before it gets to that point.

If you are going to follow a leader, its a good idea to pick one that isn’t selling you down the river. For starters, avoid feminists, communists, Marxists, and Freudians — which includes the Sheens and Sheehans, Streisand, Hillary, Bill, most Democrats, and Republican feminist social neocons.

If you can’t find a leader you really gronk with, worship a doorknob. At least it won’t kill you or destroy your brains.

A note to younger folks, from one who grew up in the hippie generation: Free love, dope, and “if it feels good, do it” were the slogans of the day. We didn’t realized that the source of these “visions” were feminism and communism. Self gratification via drugs and endless sex only leads to poor analytical skills and a really messed up personal life.

This war has nothing to do with Vietnam. We had no stake in Vietnam. In the middle east, we have a bunch of religious nuts (who should be in the Guinness Book), who want to kill us and have done so in astonishing ways. These people are now in Iraq to get their hands on the billions oil revenue in Iraq to fund their operations with.

Of course, those who are stoned solid are not going to care about it until the IED in front of his house blows them up.

But then, Sheen won’t pay the price that the rest of the crack heads will. He and the rest of the Hollywood elite will be continuing their orgiastic experiments on a nice safe remote island long before it gets to that point.

If you are going to follow a leader, its a good idea to pick one that isn’t selling you down the river. For starters, avoid feminists, communists, Marxists, and Freudians — which includes the Sheens and Sheehans, Streisand, Hillary, Bill, most Democrats, and Republican feminist social neocons.

If you can’t find a leader you really gronk with, worship a doorknob. At least it won’t kill you or destroy your brains.

A note to younger folks, from one who grew up in the hippie generation: Free love, dope, and “if it feels good, do it” were the slogans of the day. We didn’t realized that the source of these “visions” were feminism and communism. Self gratification via drugs and endless sex only leads to poor analytical skills and a really messed up personal life.

This war has nothing to do with Vietnam. We had no stake in Vietnam. In the middle east, we have a bunch of religious nuts (who should be in the Guinness Book), who want to kill us and have done so in astonishing ways. These people are now in Iraq to get their hands on the billions oil revenue in Iraq to fund their operations with.

Of course, those who are stoned solid are not going to care about it until the IED in front of his house blows them up.

But then, Sheen won’t pay the price that the rest of the crack heads will. He and the rest of the Hollywood elite will be continuing their orgiastic experiments on a nice safe remote island long before it gets to that point.

If you are going to follow a leader, its a good idea to pick one that isn’t selling you down the river. For starters, avoid feminists, communists, Marxists, and Freudians — which includes the Sheens and Sheehans, Streisand, Hillary, Bill, most Democrats, and Republican feminist social neocons.

If you can’t find a leader you really gronk with, worship a doorknob. At least it won’t kill you or destroy your brains.

A note to younger folks, from one who grew up in the hippie generation: Free love, dope, and “if it feels good, do it” were the slogans of the day. We didn’t realized that the source of these “visions” were feminism and communism. Self gratification via drugs and endless sex only leads to poor analytical skills and a really messed up personal life.

This war has nothing to do with Vietnam. We had no stake in Vietnam. In the middle east, we have a bunch of religious nuts (who should be in the Guinness Book), who want to kill us and have done so in astonishing ways. These people are now in Iraq to get their hands on the billions oil revenue in Iraq to fund their operations with.

Of course, those who are stoned solid are not going to care about it until the IED in front of his house blows them up.

But then, Sheen won’t pay the price that the rest of the crack heads will. He and the rest of the Hollywood elite will be continuing their orgiastic experiments on a nice safe remote island long before it gets to that point.

If you are going to follow a leader, its a good idea to pick one that isn’t selling you down the river. For starters, avoid feminists, communists, Marxists, and Freudians — which includes the Sheens and Sheehans, Streisand, Hillary, Bill, most Democrats, and Republican feminist social neocons.

If you can’t find a leader you really gronk with, worship a doorknob. At least it won’t kill you or destroy your brains.

Doug Powers,

That is an interesting piece of work you have done here. You should really write for the tabloids. You spent 0% of you time debating, or even mentioning the issues that were raised in the interview, hmm if you even heard it. Doug Powers, you really should look into the facts:

1.WTC 7, not hit by aircraft falls at 5:30 that day due to small fires. Making it the third building in history to fall from fire, the other 2 being the twin towers of course.

2. Why is there one gaping hole in the pentagon, and no dmg from where the wings and engines hit, Why is the lawn infront of the pentagon completley untouched. Why were serveliance camera’s taken within minutes from the sheraton hotel and a local gas station that would have showed the boeing, but they decide to release 5 frames of footage?

3.Larry Silverstein is on a September 2002 PBS documentary ‘America Rebuilds’ saying that they pulled Building 7, which a controlled demolitions takes weeks to set up.

I havnt even scratched the surface u should look into facts and not attack a person for there views. This is not highschool Mr. Douglas.

Mbo_11_1@hotmail.com Any debates on this issue are welcome.

Doug Powers,

That is an interesting piece of work you have done here. You should really write for the tabloids. You spent 0% of you time debating, or even mentioning the issues that were raised in the interview, hmm if you even heard it. Doug Powers, you really should look into the facts:

1.WTC 7, not hit by aircraft falls at 5:30 that day due to small fires. Making it the third building in history to fall from fire, the other 2 being the twin towers of course.

2. Why is there one gaping hole in the pentagon, and no dmg from where the wings and engines hit, Why is the lawn infront of the pentagon completley untouched. Why were serveliance camera’s taken within minutes from the sheraton hotel and a local gas station that would have showed the boeing, but they decide to release 5 frames of footage?

3.Larry Silverstein is on a September 2002 PBS documentary ‘America Rebuilds’ saying that they pulled Building 7, which a controlled demolitions takes weeks to set up.

I havnt even scratched the surface u should look into facts and not attack a person for there views. This is not highschool Mr. Douglas.

Mbo_11_1@hotmail.com Any debates on this issue are welcome.

Doug Powers,

That is an interesting piece of work you have done here. You should really write for the tabloids. You spent 0% of you time debating, or even mentioning the issues that were raised in the interview, hmm if you even heard it. Doug Powers, you really should look into the facts:

1.WTC 7, not hit by aircraft falls at 5:30 that day due to small fires. Making it the third building in history to fall from fire, the other 2 being the twin towers of course.

2. Why is there one gaping hole in the pentagon, and no dmg from where the wings and engines hit, Why is the lawn infront of the pentagon completley untouched. Why were serveliance camera’s taken within minutes from the sheraton hotel and a local gas station that would have showed the boeing, but they decide to release 5 frames of footage?

3.Larry Silverstein is on a September 2002 PBS documentary ‘America Rebuilds’ saying that they pulled Building 7, which a controlled demolitions takes weeks to set up.

I havnt even scratched the surface u should look into facts and not attack a person for there views. This is not highschool Mr. Douglas.

Mbo_11_1@hotmail.com Any debates on this issue are welcome.

Doug Powers,

That is an interesting piece of work you have done here. You should really write for the tabloids. You spent 0% of you time debating, or even mentioning the issues that were raised in the interview, hmm if you even heard it. Doug Powers, you really should look into the facts:

1.WTC 7, not hit by aircraft falls at 5:30 that day due to small fires. Making it the third building in history to fall from fire, the other 2 being the twin towers of course.

2. Why is there one gaping hole in the pentagon, and no dmg from where the wings and engines hit, Why is the lawn infront of the pentagon completley untouched. Why were serveliance camera’s taken within minutes from the sheraton hotel and a local gas station that would have showed the boeing, but they decide to release 5 frames of footage?

3.Larry Silverstein is on a September 2002 PBS documentary ‘America Rebuilds’ saying that they pulled Building 7, which a controlled demolitions takes weeks to set up.

I havnt even scratched the surface u should look into facts and not attack a person for there views. This is not highschool Mr. Douglas.

Mbo_11_1@hotmail.com Any debates on this issue are welcome.

Doug Powers,

You are only persuasive to people to who have very low skills of logic.

Your attacks are known in the field of logic as “ad hominem.” What that means is “against the person.” In other words, attack the messenger, not the message.

You can attack the messenger all you want, but that has nothing to do with the message.

Why don’t you address the real issues that Charlie Sheen, brave and patriotic man that he is, discussed in his interview?

Here are some of the points that Charlie Sheen mentioned that do not fit the official government version of 9/11:

(from Alex Jones’ summary of some of the issues Sheen talked about):

>Sheen questioned the plausibility of a fireballs traveling 1100 feet down an elevator shaft and causing damage to the lobbies of the towers as seen in video footage, especially when contrasted with eyewitness accounts of bombs and explosions in the basement levels of the buildings.

>Regarding building 7, which wasn’t hit by a plane, Sheen highlighted the use of the term “pull,” a demolition industry term for pulling the outer walls of the building towards the center in an implosion, as was used by Larry Silverstein in a September 2002 PBS documentary when he said that the decision to “pull” building 7 was made before its collapse. This technique ensures the building collapses in its own footprint and can clearly be seen during the collapse of building 7 with the classic ‘crimp’ being visible.

>The highly suspicious collapse of building 7 and the twin towers has previously been put under the spotlight by physics Professor Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel components used in the construction of the World Trade Center towers.

>The term ‘pull’ is as common to the demolition world as ‘action and ‘cut’ are to the movie world,” said Sheen.

>Sheen referenced firefighters in the buildings who were eyewitnesses to demolition style implosions and bombs.

>”This is not you or I watching the videos and speculating on what we saw, these are gentlemen inside the buildings at the very point of collapse.”

>”If there’s a problem with building 7 then there’s a problem with the whole thing,” said Sheen.

>Bush’s behavior on 9/11

>Sheen then questioned President Bush’s actions on 9/11 and his location at the Booker Elementary School in Florida. Once Andy Card had whispered to Bush that America was under attack why didn’t the secret service immediately whisk Bush away to a secret location?

>By remaining at a location where it was publicly known the President would be before 9/11, he was not only putting his own life in danger, but the lives of hundreds of schoolchildren. That is unless the government knew for sure what the targets were beforehand and that President Bush wasn’t one of them.

>”It seems to me that upon the revelation of that news that the secret service would grab the President as if he was on fire and remove him from that room,” said Sheen.

>The question of how Bush saw the first plane hit the north tower, when no live footage of that incident was carried, an assertion that Bush repeated twice, was also put under the spotlight.

>”I guess one of the perks of being President is that you get access to TV channels that don’t exist in the known universe,” said Sheen.

>The Pentagon incident

>Sheen outlined his disbelief that the official story of what happened at the Pentagon matched the physical evidence.

>”Show us this incredible maneuvering, just show it to us. Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers. 270 degree turn at 500 miles and hour descending 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes, skimming across treetops the last 500 meters.”

>We have not been able to confirm that a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon because the government has seized and refused to release any footage that would show the impact.

>”I understand in the interest of national security that maybe not release the Pentagon cameras but what about the Sheraton, what about the gas station, what about the Department of Transportation freeway cam? What about all these shots that had this thing perfectly documented? Instead they put out five frames that they claim not to have authorized, it’s really suspicious,” said Sheen.

>Sheen also questioned how the plane basically disappeared into the Pentagon with next to no wreckage and no indication of what happened to the wing sections.

>Concerning how the Bush administration had finalized Afghanistan war plans two days before 9/11 with the massing of 44,000 US troops and 18,000 British troops in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and in addition the call for “some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor,” as outlined in the PNAC documents, Sheen stated, “you don’t really put those strategies together overnight do you for a major invasion? Those are really well calculated and really well planned.”

>”Coincidence? We think not,” said Sheen and he called the PNAC quotes “emblematic of the arrogance of this administration.”

>A real investigation

>Sheen joined others in calling for a revised and truly independent investigation of 9/11.

>Sheen said that “September 11 wasn’t the Zapruder film, it was the Zapruder film festival,” and that the inquiry had to be, “headed, if this is possible, by some neutral investigative committee. What if we used retired political foreign nationals? What if we used experts that don’t have any ties whatsoever to this administration?”

>”It is up to us to reveal the truth. It is up to us because we owe it to the families, we owe it to the victims. We owe it to everybody’s life who was drastically altered, horrifically that day and forever. We owe it to them to uncover what happened.”

>Charlie Sheen joins the rest of his great family and notably his father Martin Sheen, who has lambasted for opposing the Iraq war before it had begun yet has now been proven right in triplicate, in using his prominent public platform to stand for truth and justice and we applaud and salute his brave efforts, remembering Mark Twain’s quote.

>”In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”

Also, Charlie Sheen has challenged anyone to debate him on the FACTS around 9/11, rather than debate him on the facts about whether you like him as a person, or whether you agree with every issue about his personal history that you know about.

So, Mr. Doug Powers, are you man enough to debate him on the FACTS that he discussed?

Doug Powers,

You are only persuasive to people to who have very low skills of logic.

Your attacks are known in the field of logic as “ad hominem.” What that means is “against the person.” In other words, attack the messenger, not the message.

You can attack the messenger all you want, but that has nothing to do with the message.

Why don’t you address the real issues that Charlie Sheen, brave and patriotic man that he is, discussed in his interview?

Here are some of the points that Charlie Sheen mentioned that do not fit the official government version of 9/11:

(from Alex Jones’ summary of some of the issues Sheen talked about):

>Sheen questioned the plausibility of a fireballs traveling 1100 feet down an elevator shaft and causing damage to the lobbies of the towers as seen in video footage, especially when contrasted with eyewitness accounts of bombs and explosions in the basement levels of the buildings.

>Regarding building 7, which wasn’t hit by a plane, Sheen highlighted the use of the term “pull,” a demolition industry term for pulling the outer walls of the building towards the center in an implosion, as was used by Larry Silverstein in a September 2002 PBS documentary when he said that the decision to “pull” building 7 was made before its collapse. This technique ensures the building collapses in its own footprint and can clearly be seen during the collapse of building 7 with the classic ‘crimp’ being visible.

>The highly suspicious collapse of building 7 and the twin towers has previously been put under the spotlight by physics Professor Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel components used in the construction of the World Trade Center towers.

>The term ‘pull’ is as common to the demolition world as ‘action and ‘cut’ are to the movie world,” said Sheen.

>Sheen referenced firefighters in the buildings who were eyewitnesses to demolition style implosions and bombs.

>”This is not you or I watching the videos and speculating on what we saw, these are gentlemen inside the buildings at the very point of collapse.”

>”If there’s a problem with building 7 then there’s a problem with the whole thing,” said Sheen.

>Bush’s behavior on 9/11

>Sheen then questioned President Bush’s actions on 9/11 and his location at the Booker Elementary School in Florida. Once Andy Card had whispered to Bush that America was under attack why didn’t the secret service immediately whisk Bush away to a secret location?

>By remaining at a location where it was publicly known the President would be before 9/11, he was not only putting his own life in danger, but the lives of hundreds of schoolchildren. That is unless the government knew for sure what the targets were beforehand and that President Bush wasn’t one of them.

>”It seems to me that upon the revelation of that news that the secret service would grab the President as if he was on fire and remove him from that room,” said Sheen.

>The question of how Bush saw the first plane hit the north tower, when no live footage of that incident was carried, an assertion that Bush repeated twice, was also put under the spotlight.

>”I guess one of the perks of being President is that you get access to TV channels that don’t exist in the known universe,” said Sheen.

>The Pentagon incident

>Sheen outlined his disbelief that the official story of what happened at the Pentagon matched the physical evidence.

>”Show us this incredible maneuvering, just show it to us. Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers. 270 degree turn at 500 miles and hour descending 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes, skimming across treetops the last 500 meters.”

>We have not been able to confirm that a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon because the government has seized and refused to release any footage that would show the impact.

>”I understand in the interest of national security that maybe not release the Pentagon cameras but what about the Sheraton, what about the gas station, what about the Department of Transportation freeway cam? What about all these shots that had this thing perfectly documented? Instead they put out five frames that they claim not to have authorized, it’s really suspicious,” said Sheen.

>Sheen also questioned how the plane basically disappeared into the Pentagon with next to no wreckage and no indication of what happened to the wing sections.

>Concerning how the Bush administration had finalized Afghanistan war plans two days before 9/11 with the massing of 44,000 US troops and 18,000 British troops in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and in addition the call for “some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor,” as outlined in the PNAC documents, Sheen stated, “you don’t really put those strategies together overnight do you for a major invasion? Those are really well calculated and really well planned.”

>”Coincidence? We think not,” said Sheen and he called the PNAC quotes “emblematic of the arrogance of this administration.”

>A real investigation

>Sheen joined others in calling for a revised and truly independent investigation of 9/11.

>Sheen said that “September 11 wasn’t the Zapruder film, it was the Zapruder film festival,” and that the inquiry had to be, “headed, if this is possible, by some neutral investigative committee. What if we used retired political foreign nationals? What if we used experts that don’t have any ties whatsoever to this administration?”

>”It is up to us to reveal the truth. It is up to us because we owe it to the families, we owe it to the victims. We owe it to everybody’s life who was drastically altered, horrifically that day and forever. We owe it to them to uncover what happened.”

>Charlie Sheen joins the rest of his great family and notably his father Martin Sheen, who has lambasted for opposing the Iraq war before it had begun yet has now been proven right in triplicate, in using his prominent public platform to stand for truth and justice and we applaud and salute his brave efforts, remembering Mark Twain’s quote.

>”In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”

Also, Charlie Sheen has challenged anyone to debate him on the FACTS around 9/11, rather than debate him on the facts about whether you like him as a person, or whether you agree with every issue about his personal history that you know about.

So, Mr. Doug Powers, are you man enough to debate him on the FACTS that he discussed?

Doug Powers,

You are only persuasive to people to who have very low skills of logic.

Your attacks are known in the field of logic as “ad hominem.” What that means is “against the person.” In other words, attack the messenger, not the message.

You can attack the messenger all you want, but that has nothing to do with the message.

Why don’t you address the real issues that Charlie Sheen, brave and patriotic man that he is, discussed in his interview?

Here are some of the points that Charlie Sheen mentioned that do not fit the official government version of 9/11:

(from Alex Jones’ summary of some of the issues Sheen talked about):

>Sheen questioned the plausibility of a fireballs traveling 1100 feet down an elevator shaft and causing damage to the lobbies of the towers as seen in video footage, especially when contrasted with eyewitness accounts of bombs and explosions in the basement levels of the buildings.

>Regarding building 7, which wasn’t hit by a plane, Sheen highlighted the use of the term “pull,” a demolition industry term for pulling the outer walls of the building towards the center in an implosion, as was used by Larry Silverstein in a September 2002 PBS documentary when he said that the decision to “pull” building 7 was made before its collapse. This technique ensures the building collapses in its own footprint and can clearly be seen during the collapse of building 7 with the classic ‘crimp’ being visible.

>The highly suspicious collapse of building 7 and the twin towers has previously been put under the spotlight by physics Professor Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel components used in the construction of the World Trade Center towers.

>The term ‘pull’ is as common to the demolition world as ‘action and ‘cut’ are to the movie world,” said Sheen.

>Sheen referenced firefighters in the buildings who were eyewitnesses to demolition style implosions and bombs.

>”This is not you or I watching the videos and speculating on what we saw, these are gentlemen inside the buildings at the very point of collapse.”

>”If there’s a problem with building 7 then there’s a problem with the whole thing,” said Sheen.

>Bush’s behavior on 9/11

>Sheen then questioned President Bush’s actions on 9/11 and his location at the Booker Elementary School in Florida. Once Andy Card had whispered to Bush that America was under attack why didn’t the secret service immediately whisk Bush away to a secret location?

>By remaining at a location where it was publicly known the President would be before 9/11, he was not only putting his own life in danger, but the lives of hundreds of schoolchildren. That is unless the government knew for sure what the targets were beforehand and that President Bush wasn’t one of them.

>”It seems to me that upon the revelation of that news that the secret service would grab the President as if he was on fire and remove him from that room,” said Sheen.

>The question of how Bush saw the first plane hit the north tower, when no live footage of that incident was carried, an assertion that Bush repeated twice, was also put under the spotlight.

>”I guess one of the perks of being President is that you get access to TV channels that don’t exist in the known universe,” said Sheen.

>The Pentagon incident

>Sheen outlined his disbelief that the official story of what happened at the Pentagon matched the physical evidence.

>”Show us this incredible maneuvering, just show it to us. Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers. 270 degree turn at 500 miles and hour descending 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes, skimming across treetops the last 500 meters.”

>We have not been able to confirm that a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon because the government has seized and refused to release any footage that would show the impact.

>”I understand in the interest of national security that maybe not release the Pentagon cameras but what about the Sheraton, what about the gas station, what about the Department of Transportation freeway cam? What about all these shots that had this thing perfectly documented? Instead they put out five frames that they claim not to have authorized, it’s really suspicious,” said Sheen.

>Sheen also questioned how the plane basically disappeared into the Pentagon with next to no wreckage and no indication of what happened to the wing sections.

>Concerning how the Bush administration had finalized Afghanistan war plans two days before 9/11 with the massing of 44,000 US troops and 18,000 British troops in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and in addition the call for “some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor,” as outlined in the PNAC documents, Sheen stated, “you don’t really put those strategies together overnight do you for a major invasion? Those are really well calculated and really well planned.”

>”Coincidence? We think not,” said Sheen and he called the PNAC quotes “emblematic of the arrogance of this administration.”

>A real investigation

>Sheen joined others in calling for a revised and truly independent investigation of 9/11.

>Sheen said that “September 11 wasn’t the Zapruder film, it was the Zapruder film festival,” and that the inquiry had to be, “headed, if this is possible, by some neutral investigative committee. What if we used retired political foreign nationals? What if we used experts that don’t have any ties whatsoever to this administration?”

>”It is up to us to reveal the truth. It is up to us because we owe it to the families, we owe it to the victims. We owe it to everybody’s life who was drastically altered, horrifically that day and forever. We owe it to them to uncover what happened.”

>Charlie Sheen joins the rest of his great family and notably his father Martin Sheen, who has lambasted for opposing the Iraq war before it had begun yet has now been proven right in triplicate, in using his prominent public platform to stand for truth and justice and we applaud and salute his brave efforts, remembering Mark Twain’s quote.

>”In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”

Also, Charlie Sheen has challenged anyone to debate him on the FACTS around 9/11, rather than debate him on the facts about whether you like him as a person, or whether you agree with every issue about his personal history that you know about.

So, Mr. Doug Powers, are you man enough to debate him on the FACTS that he discussed?

Doug Powers,

You are only persuasive to people to who have very low skills of logic.

Your attacks are known in the field of logic as “ad hominem.” What that means is “against the person.” In other words, attack the messenger, not the message.

You can attack the messenger all you want, but that has nothing to do with the message.

Why don’t you address the real issues that Charlie Sheen, brave and patriotic man that he is, discussed in his interview?

Here are some of the points that Charlie Sheen mentioned that do not fit the official government version of 9/11:

(from Alex Jones’ summary of some of the issues Sheen talked about):

>Sheen questioned the plausibility of a fireballs traveling 1100 feet down an elevator shaft and causing damage to the lobbies of the towers as seen in video footage, especially when contrasted with eyewitness accounts of bombs and explosions in the basement levels of the buildings.

>Regarding building 7, which wasn’t hit by a plane, Sheen highlighted the use of the term “pull,” a demolition industry term for pulling the outer walls of the building towards the center in an implosion, as was used by Larry Silverstein in a September 2002 PBS documentary when he said that the decision to “pull” building 7 was made before its collapse. This technique ensures the building collapses in its own footprint and can clearly be seen during the collapse of building 7 with the classic ‘crimp’ being visible.

>The highly suspicious collapse of building 7 and the twin towers has previously been put under the spotlight by physics Professor Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel components used in the construction of the World Trade Center towers.

>The term ‘pull’ is as common to the demolition world as ‘action and ‘cut’ are to the movie world,” said Sheen.

>Sheen referenced firefighters in the buildings who were eyewitnesses to demolition style implosions and bombs.

>”This is not you or I watching the videos and speculating on what we saw, these are gentlemen inside the buildings at the very point of collapse.”

>”If there’s a problem with building 7 then there’s a problem with the whole thing,” said Sheen.

>Bush’s behavior on 9/11

>Sheen then questioned President Bush’s actions on 9/11 and his location at the Booker Elementary School in Florida. Once Andy Card had whispered to Bush that America was under attack why didn’t the secret service immediately whisk Bush away to a secret location?

>By remaining at a location where it was publicly known the President would be before 9/11, he was not only putting his own life in danger, but the lives of hundreds of schoolchildren. That is unless the government knew for sure what the targets were beforehand and that President Bush wasn’t one of them.

>”It seems to me that upon the revelation of that news that the secret service would grab the President as if he was on fire and remove him from that room,” said Sheen.

>The question of how Bush saw the first plane hit the north tower, when no live footage of that incident was carried, an assertion that Bush repeated twice, was also put under the spotlight.

>”I guess one of the perks of being President is that you get access to TV channels that don’t exist in the known universe,” said Sheen.

>The Pentagon incident

>Sheen outlined his disbelief that the official story of what happened at the Pentagon matched the physical evidence.

>”Show us this incredible maneuvering, just show it to us. Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers. 270 degree turn at 500 miles and hour descending 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes, skimming across treetops the last 500 meters.”

>We have not been able to confirm that a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon because the government has seized and refused to release any footage that would show the impact.

>”I understand in the interest of national security that maybe not release the Pentagon cameras but what about the Sheraton, what about the gas station, what about the Department of Transportation freeway cam? What about all these shots that had this thing perfectly documented? Instead they put out five frames that they claim not to have authorized, it’s really suspicious,” said Sheen.

>Sheen also questioned how the plane basically disappeared into the Pentagon with next to no wreckage and no indication of what happened to the wing sections.

>Concerning how the Bush administration had finalized Afghanistan war plans two days before 9/11 with the massing of 44,000 US troops and 18,000 British troops in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and in addition the call for “some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor,” as outlined in the PNAC documents, Sheen stated, “you don’t really put those strategies together overnight do you for a major invasion? Those are really well calculated and really well planned.”

>”Coincidence? We think not,” said Sheen and he called the PNAC quotes “emblematic of the arrogance of this administration.”

>A real investigation

>Sheen joined others in calling for a revised and truly independent investigation of 9/11.

>Sheen said that “September 11 wasn’t the Zapruder film, it was the Zapruder film festival,” and that the inquiry had to be, “headed, if this is possible, by some neutral investigative committee. What if we used retired political foreign nationals? What if we used experts that don’t have any ties whatsoever to this administration?”

>”It is up to us to reveal the truth. It is up to us because we owe it to the families, we owe it to the victims. We owe it to everybody’s life who was drastically altered, horrifically that day and forever. We owe it to them to uncover what happened.”

>Charlie Sheen joins the rest of his great family and notably his father Martin Sheen, who has lambasted for opposing the Iraq war before it had begun yet has now been proven right in triplicate, in using his prominent public platform to stand for truth and justice and we applaud and salute his brave efforts, remembering Mark Twain’s quote.

>”In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”

Also, Charlie Sheen has challenged anyone to debate him on the FACTS around 9/11, rather than debate him on the facts about whether you like him as a person, or whether you agree with every issue about his personal history that you know about.

So, Mr. Doug Powers, are you man enough to debate him on the FACTS that he discussed?

Doug Powers,
You did NOT address the substance of the specific points that Charlie Sheen made regarding 9/11 – in fact you totally ignored them.

However, you did raise some interesting questions of your own.

I will try to answer them one at a time.

>What did the government, or whoever was responsible, do with all the people who were ticketed on the plane that didn’t hit the Pentagon?

First of all, it is not clear what plane if anything hit the Pentagon. The most careful people who are studying 9/11 discrepancies are saying that it is the US GOVERNMENT which is stating that the commercial airliner hit the Pentagon. Now, since it is the government that is making that claim, it is presumed to be the government who is required to prove that claim. The problem is that the government has not provided any convincing proof that the commercial airliner did hit the Pentagon. Were independent investigators allowed to look at the damage site? NO! Did the coroner find any evidence of bodies at the damage site? NO! Did any photos show any evidence of any clear parts that clearly came from that commercial airliner? NO! Was the black box from the airliner found and the contents released to the public? NO! Were there any videos or photos released officially from the US government showing us the plane hitting or just prior to hitting the Pentagon? NO! And if the government has nothing to hide, then why did it within minutes of the explosion of the Pentagon confiscate the videos which would have caught the event from a gas station across the street, from the nearby Sheraton Hotel, and from the freeway videocam, and never allow the public to see these videos? And by the way, don’t you think the Pentagon has its own surveillance videos of the airspace and environment surrounding it? The US government HAS videos but the US citizens cannot see them! Why not? Does the government have any reason to hide these videos from us?

Here is a quote from a movie called, “In Plane Site.”

“There are those…who hear this information for the first time, and they inevitably ask the question, well if the plane didn’t hit the Pentagon then where did it go? The answer is, ‘I don’t know where it went…. But, then again, I didn’t say that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that was [the major TV networks and news agencies]. The question should be, ‘if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then where is it?’ And let’s keep in mind if we do find someone, a group, or an agency, that is involved with the obfuscation, distraction, distortion, or cover-up about any information about any of the events of 9/11, does that not indicate possible involvement, and even guilt, in the events of 9/11?”

Doug Powers,
You did NOT address the substance of the specific points that Charlie Sheen made regarding 9/11 – in fact you totally ignored them.

However, you did raise some interesting questions of your own.

I will try to answer them one at a time.

>What did the government, or whoever was responsible, do with all the people who were ticketed on the plane that didn’t hit the Pentagon?

First of all, it is not clear what plane if anything hit the Pentagon. The most careful people who are studying 9/11 discrepancies are saying that it is the US GOVERNMENT which is stating that the commercial airliner hit the Pentagon. Now, since it is the government that is making that claim, it is presumed to be the government who is required to prove that claim. The problem is that the government has not provided any convincing proof that the commercial airliner did hit the Pentagon. Were independent investigators allowed to look at the damage site? NO! Did the coroner find any evidence of bodies at the damage site? NO! Did any photos show any evidence of any clear parts that clearly came from that commercial airliner? NO! Was the black box from the airliner found and the contents released to the public? NO! Were there any videos or photos released officially from the US government showing us the plane hitting or just prior to hitting the Pentagon? NO! And if the government has nothing to hide, then why did it within minutes of the explosion of the Pentagon confiscate the videos which would have caught the event from a gas station across the street, from the nearby Sheraton Hotel, and from the freeway videocam, and never allow the public to see these videos? And by the way, don’t you think the Pentagon has its own surveillance videos of the airspace and environment surrounding it? The US government HAS videos but the US citizens cannot see them! Why not? Does the government have any reason to hide these videos from us?

Here is a quote from a movie called, “In Plane Site.”

“There are those…who hear this information for the first time, and they inevitably ask the question, well if the plane didn’t hit the Pentagon then where did it go? The answer is, ‘I don’t know where it went…. But, then again, I didn’t say that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that was [the major TV networks and news agencies]. The question should be, ‘if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then where is it?’ And let’s keep in mind if we do find someone, a group, or an agency, that is involved with the obfuscation, distraction, distortion, or cover-up about any information about any of the events of 9/11, does that not indicate possible involvement, and even guilt, in the events of 9/11?”

Doug Powers,
You did NOT address the substance of the specific points that Charlie Sheen made regarding 9/11 – in fact you totally ignored them.

However, you did raise some interesting questions of your own.

I will try to answer them one at a time.

>What did the government, or whoever was responsible, do with all the people who were ticketed on the plane that didn’t hit the Pentagon?

First of all, it is not clear what plane if anything hit the Pentagon. The most careful people who are studying 9/11 discrepancies are saying that it is the US GOVERNMENT which is stating that the commercial airliner hit the Pentagon. Now, since it is the government that is making that claim, it is presumed to be the government who is required to prove that claim. The problem is that the government has not provided any convincing proof that the commercial airliner did hit the Pentagon. Were independent investigators allowed to look at the damage site? NO! Did the coroner find any evidence of bodies at the damage site? NO! Did any photos show any evidence of any clear parts that clearly came from that commercial airliner? NO! Was the black box from the airliner found and the contents released to the public? NO! Were there any videos or photos released officially from the US government showing us the plane hitting or just prior to hitting the Pentagon? NO! And if the government has nothing to hide, then why did it within minutes of the explosion of the Pentagon confiscate the videos which would have caught the event from a gas station across the street, from the nearby Sheraton Hotel, and from the freeway videocam, and never allow the public to see these videos? And by the way, don’t you think the Pentagon has its own surveillance videos of the airspace and environment surrounding it? The US government HAS videos but the US citizens cannot see them! Why not? Does the government have any reason to hide these videos from us?

Here is a quote from a movie called, “In Plane Site.”

“There are those…who hear this information for the first time, and they inevitably ask the question, well if the plane didn’t hit the Pentagon then where did it go? The answer is, ‘I don’t know where it went…. But, then again, I didn’t say that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that was [the major TV networks and news agencies]. The question should be, ‘if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then where is it?’ And let’s keep in mind if we do find someone, a group, or an agency, that is involved with the obfuscation, distraction, distortion, or cover-up about any information about any of the events of 9/11, does that not indicate possible involvement, and even guilt, in the events of 9/11?”

Doug Powers,
You did NOT address the substance of the specific points that Charlie Sheen made regarding 9/11 – in fact you totally ignored them.

However, you did raise some interesting questions of your own.

I will try to answer them one at a time.

>What did the government, or whoever was responsible, do with all the people who were ticketed on the plane that didn’t hit the Pentagon?

First of all, it is not clear what plane if anything hit the Pentagon. The most careful people who are studying 9/11 discrepancies are saying that it is the US GOVERNMENT which is stating that the commercial airliner hit the Pentagon. Now, since it is the government that is making that claim, it is presumed to be the government who is required to prove that claim. The problem is that the government has not provided any convincing proof that the commercial airliner did hit the Pentagon. Were independent investigators allowed to look at the damage site? NO! Did the coroner find any evidence of bodies at the damage site? NO! Did any photos show any evidence of any clear parts that clearly came from that commercial airliner? NO! Was the black box from the airliner found and the contents released to the public? NO! Were there any videos or photos released officially from the US government showing us the plane hitting or just prior to hitting the Pentagon? NO! And if the government has nothing to hide, then why did it within minutes of the explosion of the Pentagon confiscate the videos which would have caught the event from a gas station across the street, from the nearby Sheraton Hotel, and from the freeway videocam, and never allow the public to see these videos? And by the way, don’t you think the Pentagon has its own surveillance videos of the airspace and environment surrounding it? The US government HAS videos but the US citizens cannot see them! Why not? Does the government have any reason to hide these videos from us?

Here is a quote from a movie called, “In Plane Site.”

“There are those…who hear this information for the first time, and they inevitably ask the question, well if the plane didn’t hit the Pentagon then where did it go? The answer is, ‘I don’t know where it went…. But, then again, I didn’t say that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that was [the major TV networks and news agencies]. The question should be, ‘if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then where is it?’ And let’s keep in mind if we do find someone, a group, or an agency, that is involved with the obfuscation, distraction, distortion, or cover-up about any information about any of the events of 9/11, does that not indicate possible involvement, and even guilt, in the events of 9/11?”

Dear Doug Powers,
Here is a response to your second question, which was:
>How many people would it have taken to pull off this enormously deceptive operation, and how is it possible to keep them all quiet?

First of all, it is important for you to realize that not ALL of them have kept quiet!!

For example, David Schippers had been the cheif prosecutor of Bill Clinton during the impeachment proceedings.

Two days after 9/11, David Schippers went on record and declared that he had received warnings from FBI agents about the attacks six weeks earlier; warnings that included both the dates and the targets. These agents had come to him, Schippers said, because FBI headquarters had blocked their investigations and had threatened them with prosecution if they went public with their information. So they asked Schippers to use his influence to get the government to take action to prevent the attacks. And Schippers surely, as the prosecutor of Clinton, should have had influence in Republican circles. And yet he reports that he tried to contact Attorney General Ashcroft, and Ashcroft repeatedly refused to return his calls. Schipper’s allegations about the FBI agents were then corroborated in a story by William Norman Grigg called, “Did We Know What Was Coming?” which was published in the New America, a conservative magazine. According to Grigg, the three FBI agents he interviewed told him that “the information provided to Schippers was widely known within the FBI before 9/11.”

If these people are telling the truth, it is easy to see why the public did not hear about these whistleblowers:

1. Potential whistleblowers were ignored by their superiors.
2. Potential whistleblowers were threatened with prosecution.
3. Actual whistleblowers were ignored by the highest ranking officials in governments.
4. This story about real whistleblowers was ignored by the mainstream media, to such an extent that you did not even know there had been whistleblowers.

Think about this: if there had been a whistleblower with enough clout to cause a conspiracy of mass murder to be broken through into the mainstream media, what do you think might have happened to such a whistleblower? Do you remember what happened to Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby right after the Kennedy assassination? If you do not remember, I will tell you: they themselves were murdered.

So maybe there were some potential whistleblowers that we never heard about because maybe they had an “accident” or “committed suicide” before they had any chance to break this story out into the mainstream media in advance of 9/11. Who knows?

But the bottom line is:
1. Potential whistleblowers were threatened.
2. Minor whistleblowers were ignored.
3. Major whistleblowers might have risked their lives, and who knows, maybe some paid with their lives before they were able to break the story out in advance.

Dear Doug Powers,
Here is a response to your second question, which was:
>How many people would it have taken to pull off this enormously deceptive operation, and how is it possible to keep them all quiet?

First of all, it is important for you to realize that not ALL of them have kept quiet!!

For example, David Schippers had been the cheif prosecutor of Bill Clinton during the impeachment proceedings.

Two days after 9/11, David Schippers went on record and declared that he had received warnings from FBI agents about the attacks six weeks earlier; warnings that included both the dates and the targets. These agents had come to him, Schippers said, because FBI headquarters had blocked their investigations and had threatened them with prosecution if they went public with their information. So they asked Schippers to use his influence to get the government to take action to prevent the attacks. And Schippers surely, as the prosecutor of Clinton, should have had influence in Republican circles. And yet he reports that he tried to contact Attorney General Ashcroft, and Ashcroft repeatedly refused to return his calls. Schipper’s allegations about the FBI agents were then corroborated in a story by William Norman Grigg called, “Did We Know What Was Coming?” which was published in the New America, a conservative magazine. According to Grigg, the three FBI agents he interviewed told him that “the information provided to Schippers was widely known within the FBI before 9/11.”

If these people are telling the truth, it is easy to see why the public did not hear about these whistleblowers:

1. Potential whistleblowers were ignored by their superiors.
2. Potential whistleblowers were threatened with prosecution.
3. Actual whistleblowers were ignored by the highest ranking officials in governments.
4. This story about real whistleblowers was ignored by the mainstream media, to such an extent that you did not even know there had been whistleblowers.

Think about this: if there had been a whistleblower with enough clout to cause a conspiracy of mass murder to be broken through into the mainstream media, what do you think might have happened to such a whistleblower? Do you remember what happened to Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby right after the Kennedy assassination? If you do not remember, I will tell you: they themselves were murdered.

So maybe there were some potential whistleblowers that we never heard about because maybe they had an “accident” or “committed suicide” before they had any chance to break this story out into the mainstream media in advance of 9/11. Who knows?

But the bottom line is:
1. Potential whistleblowers were threatened.
2. Minor whistleblowers were ignored.
3. Major whistleblowers might have risked their lives, and who knows, maybe some paid with their lives before they were able to break the story out in advance.

Dear Doug Powers,
Here is a response to your second question, which was:
>How many people would it have taken to pull off this enormously deceptive operation, and how is it possible to keep them all quiet?

First of all, it is important for you to realize that not ALL of them have kept quiet!!

For example, David Schippers had been the cheif prosecutor of Bill Clinton during the impeachment proceedings.

Two days after 9/11, David Schippers went on record and declared that he had received warnings from FBI agents about the attacks six weeks earlier; warnings that included both the dates and the targets. These agents had come to him, Schippers said, because FBI headquarters had blocked their investigations and had threatened them with prosecution if they went public with their information. So they asked Schippers to use his influence to get the government to take action to prevent the attacks. And Schippers surely, as the prosecutor of Clinton, should have had influence in Republican circles. And yet he reports that he tried to contact Attorney General Ashcroft, and Ashcroft repeatedly refused to return his calls. Schipper’s allegations about the FBI agents were then corroborated in a story by William Norman Grigg called, “Did We Know What Was Coming?” which was published in the New America, a conservative magazine. According to Grigg, the three FBI agents he interviewed told him that “the information provided to Schippers was widely known within the FBI before 9/11.”

If these people are telling the truth, it is easy to see why the public did not hear about these whistleblowers:

1. Potential whistleblowers were ignored by their superiors.
2. Potential whistleblowers were threatened with prosecution.
3. Actual whistleblowers were ignored by the highest ranking officials in governments.
4. This story about real whistleblowers was ignored by the mainstream media, to such an extent that you did not even know there had been whistleblowers.

Think about this: if there had been a whistleblower with enough clout to cause a conspiracy of mass murder to be broken through into the mainstream media, what do you think might have happened to such a whistleblower? Do you remember what happened to Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby right after the Kennedy assassination? If you do not remember, I will tell you: they themselves were murdered.

So maybe there were some potential whistleblowers that we never heard about because maybe they had an “accident” or “committed suicide” before they had any chance to break this story out into the mainstream media in advance of 9/11. Who knows?

But the bottom line is:
1. Potential whistleblowers were threatened.
2. Minor whistleblowers were ignored.
3. Major whistleblowers might have risked their lives, and who knows, maybe some paid with their lives before they were able to break the story out in advance.

Dear Doug Powers,
Here is a response to your second question, which was:
>How many people would it have taken to pull off this enormously deceptive operation, and how is it possible to keep them all quiet?

First of all, it is important for you to realize that not ALL of them have kept quiet!!

For example, David Schippers had been the cheif prosecutor of Bill Clinton during the impeachment proceedings.

Two days after 9/11, David Schippers went on record and declared that he had received warnings from FBI agents about the attacks six weeks earlier; warnings that included both the dates and the targets. These agents had come to him, Schippers said, because FBI headquarters had blocked their investigations and had threatened them with prosecution if they went public with their information. So they asked Schippers to use his influence to get the government to take action to prevent the attacks. And Schippers surely, as the prosecutor of Clinton, should have had influence in Republican circles. And yet he reports that he tried to contact Attorney General Ashcroft, and Ashcroft repeatedly refused to return his calls. Schipper’s allegations about the FBI agents were then corroborated in a story by William Norman Grigg called, “Did We Know What Was Coming?” which was published in the New America, a conservative magazine. According to Grigg, the three FBI agents he interviewed told him that “the information provided to Schippers was widely known within the FBI before 9/11.”

If these people are telling the truth, it is easy to see why the public did not hear about these whistleblowers:

1. Potential whistleblowers were ignored by their superiors.
2. Potential whistleblowers were threatened with prosecution.
3. Actual whistleblowers were ignored by the highest ranking officials in governments.
4. This story about real whistleblowers was ignored by the mainstream media, to such an extent that you did not even know there had been whistleblowers.

Think about this: if there had been a whistleblower with enough clout to cause a conspiracy of mass murder to be broken through into the mainstream media, what do you think might have happened to such a whistleblower? Do you remember what happened to Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby right after the Kennedy assassination? If you do not remember, I will tell you: they themselves were murdered.

So maybe there were some potential whistleblowers that we never heard about because maybe they had an “accident” or “committed suicide” before they had any chance to break this story out into the mainstream media in advance of 9/11. Who knows?

But the bottom line is:
1. Potential whistleblowers were threatened.
2. Minor whistleblowers were ignored.
3. Major whistleblowers might have risked their lives, and who knows, maybe some paid with their lives before they were able to break the story out in advance.

One last question of yours:

>How many people would it have taken to pull off this enormously deceptive operation?

According to researchers into the history and science of past conspiracies, it would not take too many who would know the full scope of events.

There could be a small number of people at the top who know the whole plot, and that number might have been less than 20, which is the minimum number involved in the official government version of OBL plus 19 Muslim fanatics.

When you command a government position, you are in a position to tell you employees to do something, and you can get them to do what you want.

You don’t have to tell them real reason; you might fabricate a reason, so the person who is doing what you are telling them to do does not know the real purpose of the action.

For example, you might tell someone that this is a “drill.” Or this is a “mock exercise.” Or that these are not real explosives, or that these explosives are being set for the purposes of a “test.” You can tell people different things.

Covert intelligence agencies are geniuses at coming up with cover stories and fabricated stories to motivate people to do these things.

Go to http://www.st911.org and you can read some good articles that answer why it is not necessary that a large number of people know the whole plot when there is a conspiracy.

Some are “stooges” who are told a lie, so that they can be used.

Some are just told a small bit of information, some or all perhaps fabricated, and just told to follow orders.

There are experts on this, including Professor Fetzer who has studied conspiracies. His site is http://www.assassinationscience.com

One last question of yours:

>How many people would it have taken to pull off this enormously deceptive operation?

According to researchers into the history and science of past conspiracies, it would not take too many who would know the full scope of events.

There could be a small number of people at the top who know the whole plot, and that number might have been less than 20, which is the minimum number involved in the official government version of OBL plus 19 Muslim fanatics.

When you command a government position, you are in a position to tell you employees to do something, and you can get them to do what you want.

You don’t have to tell them real reason; you might fabricate a reason, so the person who is doing what you are telling them to do does not know the real purpose of the action.

For example, you might tell someone that this is a “drill.” Or this is a “mock exercise.” Or that these are not real explosives, or that these explosives are being set for the purposes of a “test.” You can tell people different things.

Covert intelligence agencies are geniuses at coming up with cover stories and fabricated stories to motivate people to do these things.

Go to http://www.st911.org and you can read some good articles that answer why it is not necessary that a large number of people know the whole plot when there is a conspiracy.

Some are “stooges” who are told a lie, so that they can be used.

Some are just told a small bit of information, some or all perhaps fabricated, and just told to follow orders.

There are experts on this, including Professor Fetzer who has studied conspiracies. His site is http://www.assassinationscience.com

One last question of yours:

>How many people would it have taken to pull off this enormously deceptive operation?

According to researchers into the history and science of past conspiracies, it would not take too many who would know the full scope of events.

There could be a small number of people at the top who know the whole plot, and that number might have been less than 20, which is the minimum number involved in the official government version of OBL plus 19 Muslim fanatics.

When you command a government position, you are in a position to tell you employees to do something, and you can get them to do what you want.

You don’t have to tell them real reason; you might fabricate a reason, so the person who is doing what you are telling them to do does not know the real purpose of the action.

For example, you might tell someone that this is a “drill.” Or this is a “mock exercise.” Or that these are not real explosives, or that these explosives are being set for the purposes of a “test.” You can tell people different things.

Covert intelligence agencies are geniuses at coming up with cover stories and fabricated stories to motivate people to do these things.

Go to http://www.st911.org and you can read some good articles that answer why it is not necessary that a large number of people know the whole plot when there is a conspiracy.

Some are “stooges” who are told a lie, so that they can be used.

Some are just told a small bit of information, some or all perhaps fabricated, and just told to follow orders.

There are experts on this, including Professor Fetzer who has studied conspiracies. His site is http://www.assassinationscience.com

One last question of yours:

>How many people would it have taken to pull off this enormously deceptive operation?

According to researchers into the history and science of past conspiracies, it would not take too many who would know the full scope of events.

There could be a small number of people at the top who know the whole plot, and that number might have been less than 20, which is the minimum number involved in the official government version of OBL plus 19 Muslim fanatics.

When you command a government position, you are in a position to tell you employees to do something, and you can get them to do what you want.

You don’t have to tell them real reason; you might fabricate a reason, so the person who is doing what you are telling them to do does not know the real purpose of the action.

For example, you might tell someone that this is a “drill.” Or this is a “mock exercise.” Or that these are not real explosives, or that these explosives are being set for the purposes of a “test.” You can tell people different things.

Covert intelligence agencies are geniuses at coming up with cover stories and fabricated stories to motivate people to do these things.

Go to http://www.st911.org and you can read some good articles that answer why it is not necessary that a large number of people know the whole plot when there is a conspiracy.

Some are “stooges” who are told a lie, so that they can be used.

Some are just told a small bit of information, some or all perhaps fabricated, and just told to follow orders.

There are experts on this, including Professor Fetzer who has studied conspiracies. His site is http://www.assassinationscience.com

Regarding the hard evidence against the perpetrators:

You need a real independent investigation, a special prosecutor, to subpoena evidence and witnesses. Then once you gather the evidence, then you come up with specific suspects with reasonable cause, and indict the people.

Don’t put the cart before the horse. Let’s reopen this case and start investigating and subpoenaing the evidence.

Regarding the hard evidence against the perpetrators:

You need a real independent investigation, a special prosecutor, to subpoena evidence and witnesses. Then once you gather the evidence, then you come up with specific suspects with reasonable cause, and indict the people.

Don’t put the cart before the horse. Let’s reopen this case and start investigating and subpoenaing the evidence.

And how can you come to the conclusion that there was no crime?

Of course there was!!! Thousands of people murdered in the World Trade Center. How can anyone possibly deny that this was a crime that warrants investigation of all the evidence surrounding 9/11? And how can you not support petitioning the government to release the evidence it has? Go to http://www.st911.org and the petition is there for you to sign. Are you going to sign it?

And how can you come to the conclusion that there was no crime?

Of course there was!!! Thousands of people murdered in the World Trade Center. How can anyone possibly deny that this was a crime that warrants investigation of all the evidence surrounding 9/11? And how can you not support petitioning the government to release the evidence it has? Go to http://www.st911.org and the petition is there for you to sign. Are you going to sign it?

And how can you come to the conclusion that there was no crime?

Of course there was!!! Thousands of people murdered in the World Trade Center. How can anyone possibly deny that this was a crime that warrants investigation of all the evidence surrounding 9/11? And how can you not support petitioning the government to release the evidence it has? Go to http://www.st911.org and the petition is there for you to sign. Are you going to sign it?

And how can you come to the conclusion that there was no crime?

Of course there was!!! Thousands of people murdered in the World Trade Center. How can anyone possibly deny that this was a crime that warrants investigation of all the evidence surrounding 9/11? And how can you not support petitioning the government to release the evidence it has? Go to http://www.st911.org and the petition is there for you to sign. Are you going to sign it?

Okay Jeff, “no crime by the U.S.” is what I meant.

I’d welcome another investigation. Would a conclusion by another investigation of “not an inside job” silence the conspiracy folks? No. But I’d like to see it all put out in the open nonetheless, so I’m with y’all on that one.

Okay Jeff, “no crime by the U.S.” is what I meant.

I’d welcome another investigation. Would a conclusion by another investigation of “not an inside job” silence the conspiracy folks? No. But I’d like to see it all put out in the open nonetheless, so I’m with y’all on that one.

Okay Jeff, “no crime by the U.S.” is what I meant.

I’d welcome another investigation. Would a conclusion by another investigation of “not an inside job” silence the conspiracy folks? No. But I’d like to see it all put out in the open nonetheless, so I’m with y’all on that one.

“Go to http://www.st911.org and you can read some good articles that answer why it is not necessary that a large number of people know the whole plot when there is a conspiracy.”

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Yeah, but then 9/12 rolls around and there are 4 dozen guys saying to themselves “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever? Sorry… I enjoy a good stretch, but not that far.

“Go to http://www.st911.org and you can read some good articles that answer why it is not necessary that a large number of people know the whole plot when there is a conspiracy.”

—-
Yeah, but then 9/12 rolls around and there are 4 dozen guys saying to themselves “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever? Sorry… I enjoy a good stretch, but not that far.

“Go to http://www.st911.org and you can read some good articles that answer why it is not necessary that a large number of people know the whole plot when there is a conspiracy.”

—-
Yeah, but then 9/12 rolls around and there are 4 dozen guys saying to themselves “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever? Sorry… I enjoy a good stretch, but not that far.

“Go to http://www.st911.org and you can read some good articles that answer why it is not necessary that a large number of people know the whole plot when there is a conspiracy.”

—-
Yeah, but then 9/12 rolls around and there are 4 dozen guys saying to themselves “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever? Sorry… I enjoy a good stretch, but not that far.

Doug Powers said: “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever?

People DO come out in the open about this, they do talk. read this:
Rescue Worker Drops New 9/11 Revelations
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm

Good work jeff111, I am glad to see more and more people are waking up.

Doug Powers said: “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever?

People DO come out in the open about this, they do talk. read this:
Rescue Worker Drops New 9/11 Revelations
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm

Good work jeff111, I am glad to see more and more people are waking up.

Doug Powers said: “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever?

People DO come out in the open about this, they do talk. read this:
Rescue Worker Drops New 9/11 Revelations
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm

Good work jeff111, I am glad to see more and more people are waking up.

Doug Powers said: “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever?

People DO come out in the open about this, they do talk. read this:
Rescue Worker Drops New 9/11 Revelations
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm

Good work jeff111, I am glad to see more and more people are waking up.

>>>Yeah, but then 9/12 rolls around and there are 4 dozen guys saying to themselves “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever? Sorry… I enjoy a good stretch, but not that far.

It may be a good stretch, but nothing like the stretch required to believe the official story.
Somebody may have said something, but nobody in the mainstream media or in a high position in government would publicize such a story. Anybody who tried to go against a gang that would murder 2000+ innocent victims would certainly be killed if necessary. How do you know that nobody who tried to come forward did not die in an “accident” or “suicide?” Why would anybody in their right mind even try to go to the media with such a story when
1) The media would not believe them and would not publish such a story
2) If the media were to publish such a story, it would never believe their story, and would call them unpatriotic liars, and similar trash. They would attack attack just like you, by reflex action, attacked Charlie Sheen personally.
3) Such soldiers would not only be vilified by the press, they would be vilified by the armed services. They would face prosecution or court martial at the least, perhaps a trip to Guatanamo or Abu Gharib or some other suitable torture facility, perhaps death to themselves and/or their family members. Come on!!! Are you telling me that *you* would try to go to the media under those circumstances.

It just seems SO EASY for you to think that someone could easily speak out about this, when in fact, YOU go and personally attack someone who does have the guts to speak out on this. And Charlie Sheen has a lot less to lose than anyone involved. Anyone involved faces federal charges for conspiracy for mass murder. Once you’re in it, you’re in it.

If conspiracies cannot happen and be kept secret, then what about the Kennedy assassination? Do you still believe that it was a lone gunman with a magic bullet as the Warren Commission said 40+ years ago? If you don’t believe that report, then you probably believe that more than one person was involved, therefore a conspiracy. That seems like a major conspiracy, but we have not heard in the mainstream media for 40+ years anyone involved in that conspiracy come forth and say, “I was involved.” It just doesn’t make sense for someone to do so, when there is so much to lose, including the risk of prosecution or assassination.

So, you may find a conspiracy of insiders SO IMPOSSIBLE TO EVEN IMAGINE that you are not willing to look at the evidence. But you are eager and willing to believe for 5 years a conspiracy of foreign Arabs.

The same questions you have about conspiracies involving insiders can be applied to questions about the official conspiracy story of foreign Arabs. How come no Arab has come forth to the media and said that they have something to do with this?

>>>Yeah, but then 9/12 rolls around and there are 4 dozen guys saying to themselves “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever? Sorry… I enjoy a good stretch, but not that far.

It may be a good stretch, but nothing like the stretch required to believe the official story.
Somebody may have said something, but nobody in the mainstream media or in a high position in government would publicize such a story. Anybody who tried to go against a gang that would murder 2000+ innocent victims would certainly be killed if necessary. How do you know that nobody who tried to come forward did not die in an “accident” or “suicide?” Why would anybody in their right mind even try to go to the media with such a story when
1) The media would not believe them and would not publish such a story
2) If the media were to publish such a story, it would never believe their story, and would call them unpatriotic liars, and similar trash. They would attack attack just like you, by reflex action, attacked Charlie Sheen personally.
3) Such soldiers would not only be vilified by the press, they would be vilified by the armed services. They would face prosecution or court martial at the least, perhaps a trip to Guatanamo or Abu Gharib or some other suitable torture facility, perhaps death to themselves and/or their family members. Come on!!! Are you telling me that *you* would try to go to the media under those circumstances.

It just seems SO EASY for you to think that someone could easily speak out about this, when in fact, YOU go and personally attack someone who does have the guts to speak out on this. And Charlie Sheen has a lot less to lose than anyone involved. Anyone involved faces federal charges for conspiracy for mass murder. Once you’re in it, you’re in it.

If conspiracies cannot happen and be kept secret, then what about the Kennedy assassination? Do you still believe that it was a lone gunman with a magic bullet as the Warren Commission said 40+ years ago? If you don’t believe that report, then you probably believe that more than one person was involved, therefore a conspiracy. That seems like a major conspiracy, but we have not heard in the mainstream media for 40+ years anyone involved in that conspiracy come forth and say, “I was involved.” It just doesn’t make sense for someone to do so, when there is so much to lose, including the risk of prosecution or assassination.

So, you may find a conspiracy of insiders SO IMPOSSIBLE TO EVEN IMAGINE that you are not willing to look at the evidence. But you are eager and willing to believe for 5 years a conspiracy of foreign Arabs.

The same questions you have about conspiracies involving insiders can be applied to questions about the official conspiracy story of foreign Arabs. How come no Arab has come forth to the media and said that they have something to do with this?

>>>Yeah, but then 9/12 rolls around and there are 4 dozen guys saying to themselves “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever? Sorry… I enjoy a good stretch, but not that far.

Of course some people have talked, but you haven’t heard what they have to say. The following is a story from the internet last year. There have been many firefighters who talked about explosions, and these eyewitness accounts have been well documented. It is simply that people like you have been publishing rubbish without doing the research required to know what you’re writing about.

Go to http://www.st911.org and watch a few videos. Watch Professor Griffin’s lecture. Watch 9/11 Revisited. Watch Loose Change. Then maybe you will get a clue. Wake up to the facts.

Rescue Worker Drops New 9/11 Revelations

Alex Jones Radio Show transcript | March 30 2005

Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia was a rescue worker at 9/11. He joined Alex to discuss how rescuers were prevented from doing their jobs properly, were not protected from harmful asbestos, and how explosives, possibly tactical nukes, brought down the towers.

Interview of Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia
Alex Jones Radio Show
March 24, 2005

MT: Right. And you know what, when you burn metal at that rate – anybody who knows anything about being there, there were a hose running non-stop on that fire and that’s because the metal was burning at the heat of magnesium in there. And it was so hot, what they were trying to do was not put out the fire, but mist the damn particulate. There are, I have now been told..

AJ: Listen Sergeant, I know you’re upset but we have a lot of children listening, let’s be real careful here.

MT: I’m sorry.

AJ: No, I know this is very upsetting to you, I understand. I apologize for..

MT: Thank you for pointing that out; I appreciate that. The particulates that were in the air had to be watered down [ ] There were only certain parts of the site that you could not legally leave without going through decontamination.

AJ: Jet fuel is cold burning. And these people are standing in the holes of the buildings after the…

MT: That’s not possible. That’s not possible.

AJ: Exactly. So, how did we get then these white hot fires that were still burning weeks later?

MT: Some people call them subatomic nuclear controlled explosions. Some people call them tactical nukes.

AJ: Well the question is, we have the thermal photos. How do you weeks later have stuff burning in molten down in there?

MT: There’s only one way. There had to be a combination of some very high powerful stuff and when that stuff all closed in on itself, it just burned and burned. Because it was burning. I mean that is not a lie or something like that, that smoke came out and it burned like crazy. It was unreal, that fire.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm

Now that interview was on the Internet with internet journalist Alex Jones. Why is it that we never saw that report as the top story on all the network TV news shows, and on the front page of every paper?

Because whistleblowers will NOT get attention from the mainstream media. The mainstream media have not touched this story for 4+ years, because the story is way too hot for them to handle, and they don’t have the guts or desire to print it. It is just too dangerous for anyone in the mainstream media to mention, or they get branded millions of people like you as unpatriotic or crazy.

>>>Yeah, but then 9/12 rolls around and there are 4 dozen guys saying to themselves “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever? Sorry… I enjoy a good stretch, but not that far.

Of course some people have talked, but you haven’t heard what they have to say. The following is a story from the internet last year. There have been many firefighters who talked about explosions, and these eyewitness accounts have been well documented. It is simply that people like you have been publishing rubbish without doing the research required to know what you’re writing about.

Go to http://www.st911.org and watch a few videos. Watch Professor Griffin’s lecture. Watch 9/11 Revisited. Watch Loose Change. Then maybe you will get a clue. Wake up to the facts.

Rescue Worker Drops New 9/11 Revelations

Alex Jones Radio Show transcript | March 30 2005

Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia was a rescue worker at 9/11. He joined Alex to discuss how rescuers were prevented from doing their jobs properly, were not protected from harmful asbestos, and how explosives, possibly tactical nukes, brought down the towers.

Interview of Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia
Alex Jones Radio Show
March 24, 2005

MT: Right. And you know what, when you burn metal at that rate – anybody who knows anything about being there, there were a hose running non-stop on that fire and that’s because the metal was burning at the heat of magnesium in there. And it was so hot, what they were trying to do was not put out the fire, but mist the damn particulate. There are, I have now been told..

AJ: Listen Sergeant, I know you’re upset but we have a lot of children listening, let’s be real careful here.

MT: I’m sorry.

AJ: No, I know this is very upsetting to you, I understand. I apologize for..

MT: Thank you for pointing that out; I appreciate that. The particulates that were in the air had to be watered down [ ] There were only certain parts of the site that you could not legally leave without going through decontamination.

AJ: Jet fuel is cold burning. And these people are standing in the holes of the buildings after the…

MT: That’s not possible. That’s not possible.

AJ: Exactly. So, how did we get then these white hot fires that were still burning weeks later?

MT: Some people call them subatomic nuclear controlled explosions. Some people call them tactical nukes.

AJ: Well the question is, we have the thermal photos. How do you weeks later have stuff burning in molten down in there?

MT: There’s only one way. There had to be a combination of some very high powerful stuff and when that stuff all closed in on itself, it just burned and burned. Because it was burning. I mean that is not a lie or something like that, that smoke came out and it burned like crazy. It was unreal, that fire.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm

Now that interview was on the Internet with internet journalist Alex Jones. Why is it that we never saw that report as the top story on all the network TV news shows, and on the front page of every paper?

Because whistleblowers will NOT get attention from the mainstream media. The mainstream media have not touched this story for 4+ years, because the story is way too hot for them to handle, and they don’t have the guts or desire to print it. It is just too dangerous for anyone in the mainstream media to mention, or they get branded millions of people like you as unpatriotic or crazy.

>>>Yeah, but then 9/12 rolls around and there are 4 dozen guys saying to themselves “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever? Sorry… I enjoy a good stretch, but not that far.

Of course some people have talked, but you haven’t heard what they have to say. The following is a story from the internet last year. There have been many firefighters who talked about explosions, and these eyewitness accounts have been well documented. It is simply that people like you have been publishing rubbish without doing the research required to know what you’re writing about.

Go to http://www.st911.org and watch a few videos. Watch Professor Griffin’s lecture. Watch 9/11 Revisited. Watch Loose Change. Then maybe you will get a clue. Wake up to the facts.

Rescue Worker Drops New 9/11 Revelations

Alex Jones Radio Show transcript | March 30 2005

Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia was a rescue worker at 9/11. He joined Alex to discuss how rescuers were prevented from doing their jobs properly, were not protected from harmful asbestos, and how explosives, possibly tactical nukes, brought down the towers.

Interview of Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia
Alex Jones Radio Show
March 24, 2005

MT: Right. And you know what, when you burn metal at that rate – anybody who knows anything about being there, there were a hose running non-stop on that fire and that’s because the metal was burning at the heat of magnesium in there. And it was so hot, what they were trying to do was not put out the fire, but mist the damn particulate. There are, I have now been told..

AJ: Listen Sergeant, I know you’re upset but we have a lot of children listening, let’s be real careful here.

MT: I’m sorry.

AJ: No, I know this is very upsetting to you, I understand. I apologize for..

MT: Thank you for pointing that out; I appreciate that. The particulates that were in the air had to be watered down [ ] There were only certain parts of the site that you could not legally leave without going through decontamination.

AJ: Jet fuel is cold burning. And these people are standing in the holes of the buildings after the…

MT: That’s not possible. That’s not possible.

AJ: Exactly. So, how did we get then these white hot fires that were still burning weeks later?

MT: Some people call them subatomic nuclear controlled explosions. Some people call them tactical nukes.

AJ: Well the question is, we have the thermal photos. How do you weeks later have stuff burning in molten down in there?

MT: There’s only one way. There had to be a combination of some very high powerful stuff and when that stuff all closed in on itself, it just burned and burned. Because it was burning. I mean that is not a lie or something like that, that smoke came out and it burned like crazy. It was unreal, that fire.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm

Now that interview was on the Internet with internet journalist Alex Jones. Why is it that we never saw that report as the top story on all the network TV news shows, and on the front page of every paper?

Because whistleblowers will NOT get attention from the mainstream media. The mainstream media have not touched this story for 4+ years, because the story is way too hot for them to handle, and they don’t have the guts or desire to print it. It is just too dangerous for anyone in the mainstream media to mention, or they get branded millions of people like you as unpatriotic or crazy.

>>>Yeah, but then 9/12 rolls around and there are 4 dozen guys saying to themselves “Gee, I wonder if that was why I was told to plant charges in the basement of WTC 7…” And nobody subsequently says a word…ever? Sorry… I enjoy a good stretch, but not that far.

Of course some people have talked, but you haven’t heard what they have to say. The following is a story from the internet last year. There have been many firefighters who talked about explosions, and these eyewitness accounts have been well documented. It is simply that people like you have been publishing rubbish without doing the research required to know what you’re writing about.

Go to http://www.st911.org and watch a few videos. Watch Professor Griffin’s lecture. Watch 9/11 Revisited. Watch Loose Change. Then maybe you will get a clue. Wake up to the facts.

Rescue Worker Drops New 9/11 Revelations

Alex Jones Radio Show transcript | March 30 2005

Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia was a rescue worker at 9/11. He joined Alex to discuss how rescuers were prevented from doing their jobs properly, were not protected from harmful asbestos, and how explosives, possibly tactical nukes, brought down the towers.

Interview of Sgt. Matthew Tartaglia
Alex Jones Radio Show
March 24, 2005

MT: Right. And you know what, when you burn metal at that rate – anybody who knows anything about being there, there were a hose running non-stop on that fire and that’s because the metal was burning at the heat of magnesium in there. And it was so hot, what they were trying to do was not put out the fire, but mist the damn particulate. There are, I have now been told..

AJ: Listen Sergeant, I know you’re upset but we have a lot of children listening, let’s be real careful here.

MT: I’m sorry.

AJ: No, I know this is very upsetting to you, I understand. I apologize for..

MT: Thank you for pointing that out; I appreciate that. The particulates that were in the air had to be watered down [ ] There were only certain parts of the site that you could not legally leave without going through decontamination.

AJ: Jet fuel is cold burning. And these people are standing in the holes of the buildings after the…

MT: That’s not possible. That’s not possible.

AJ: Exactly. So, how did we get then these white hot fires that were still burning weeks later?

MT: Some people call them subatomic nuclear controlled explosions. Some people call them tactical nukes.

AJ: Well the question is, we have the thermal photos. How do you weeks later have stuff burning in molten down in there?

MT: There’s only one way. There had to be a combination of some very high powerful stuff and when that stuff all closed in on itself, it just burned and burned. Because it was burning. I mean that is not a lie or something like that, that smoke came out and it burned like crazy. It was unreal, that fire.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm

Now that interview was on the Internet with internet journalist Alex Jones. Why is it that we never saw that report as the top story on all the network TV news shows, and on the front page of every paper?

Because whistleblowers will NOT get attention from the mainstream media. The mainstream media have not touched this story for 4+ years, because the story is way too hot for them to handle, and they don’t have the guts or desire to print it. It is just too dangerous for anyone in the mainstream media to mention, or they get branded millions of people like you as unpatriotic or crazy.

>Would a conclusion by another investigation of “not an inside job” silence the conspiracy folks? No.

You are probably right. If you have another government “investigation”, like the FEMA “investigation”, the NIST “investigation”, and the 9/11 Whitewash Commission, you are going to get more of the same: just another whitewash. You can’t expect high government officials to investigate other high government officials. That is like expecting the German legislative body under Nazi Germany to investigate any crimes of Hitler and the Nazis. Such an real investigation never took place in Germany during Hitler’s reign. The only way to truly get at the bottom of this is for the people of this country to communicate on a grass roots level, petition for an independent investigation, and demand an independent investigation. That all starts by the government releasing all the evidence it has hidden from the American people. That is where it all starts. So have you gone to http://www.st911.org and signed the petition yet which demands just that? If not, why not? And when you do, are you going to write an article recommending that your readers do the same thing: demand from the government a release of all the evidence related to 9/11 that they have kept from us? That is what will satisfy us. I want to see independent investigators reviewing the few pieces of the WTC that were not melted down without any analysis. I want to see independent investigators getting their hands on all the surveillance videos from the Pentagon which exist which the government keeps hidden from us. I want to see independent investigators getting their hands on the myriad of evidence that the government is hiding. Go to http://www.st911.org and look at the petition. It will tell you exactly what evidence we want released from the government. Tell me when you sign the petition and when you have urged your readers to do the same.

>Would a conclusion by another investigation of “not an inside job” silence the conspiracy folks? No.

You are probably right. If you have another government “investigation”, like the FEMA “investigation”, the NIST “investigation”, and the 9/11 Whitewash Commission, you are going to get more of the same: just another whitewash. You can’t expect high government officials to investigate other high government officials. That is like expecting the German legislative body under Nazi Germany to investigate any crimes of Hitler and the Nazis. Such an real investigation never took place in Germany during Hitler’s reign. The only way to truly get at the bottom of this is for the people of this country to communicate on a grass roots level, petition for an independent investigation, and demand an independent investigation. That all starts by the government releasing all the evidence it has hidden from the American people. That is where it all starts. So have you gone to http://www.st911.org and signed the petition yet which demands just that? If not, why not? And when you do, are you going to write an article recommending that your readers do the same thing: demand from the government a release of all the evidence related to 9/11 that they have kept from us? That is what will satisfy us. I want to see independent investigators reviewing the few pieces of the WTC that were not melted down without any analysis. I want to see independent investigators getting their hands on all the surveillance videos from the Pentagon which exist which the government keeps hidden from us. I want to see independent investigators getting their hands on the myriad of evidence that the government is hiding. Go to http://www.st911.org and look at the petition. It will tell you exactly what evidence we want released from the government. Tell me when you sign the petition and when you have urged your readers to do the same.

>Would a conclusion by another investigation of “not an inside job” silence the conspiracy folks? No.

You are probably right. If you have another government “investigation”, like the FEMA “investigation”, the NIST “investigation”, and the 9/11 Whitewash Commission, you are going to get more of the same: just another whitewash. You can’t expect high government officials to investigate other high government officials. That is like expecting the German legislative body under Nazi Germany to investigate any crimes of Hitler and the Nazis. Such an real investigation never took place in Germany during Hitler’s reign. The only way to truly get at the bottom of this is for the people of this country to communicate on a grass roots level, petition for an independent investigation, and demand an independent investigation. That all starts by the government releasing all the evidence it has hidden from the American people. That is where it all starts. So have you gone to http://www.st911.org and signed the petition yet which demands just that? If not, why not? And when you do, are you going to write an article recommending that your readers do the same thing: demand from the government a release of all the evidence related to 9/11 that they have kept from us? That is what will satisfy us. I want to see independent investigators reviewing the few pieces of the WTC that were not melted down without any analysis. I want to see independent investigators getting their hands on all the surveillance videos from the Pentagon which exist which the government keeps hidden from us. I want to see independent investigators getting their hands on the myriad of evidence that the government is hiding. Go to http://www.st911.org and look at the petition. It will tell you exactly what evidence we want released from the government. Tell me when you sign the petition and when you have urged your readers to do the same.

>Would a conclusion by another investigation of “not an inside job” silence the conspiracy folks? No.

You are probably right. If you have another government “investigation”, like the FEMA “investigation”, the NIST “investigation”, and the 9/11 Whitewash Commission, you are going to get more of the same: just another whitewash. You can’t expect high government officials to investigate other high government officials. That is like expecting the German legislative body under Nazi Germany to investigate any crimes of Hitler and the Nazis. Such an real investigation never took place in Germany during Hitler’s reign. The only way to truly get at the bottom of this is for the people of this country to communicate on a grass roots level, petition for an independent investigation, and demand an independent investigation. That all starts by the government releasing all the evidence it has hidden from the American people. That is where it all starts. So have you gone to http://www.st911.org and signed the petition yet which demands just that? If not, why not? And when you do, are you going to write an article recommending that your readers do the same thing: demand from the government a release of all the evidence related to 9/11 that they have kept from us? That is what will satisfy us. I want to see independent investigators reviewing the few pieces of the WTC that were not melted down without any analysis. I want to see independent investigators getting their hands on all the surveillance videos from the Pentagon which exist which the government keeps hidden from us. I want to see independent investigators getting their hands on the myriad of evidence that the government is hiding. Go to http://www.st911.org and look at the petition. It will tell you exactly what evidence we want released from the government. Tell me when you sign the petition and when you have urged your readers to do the same.

Jeff, you’re certainly right about the “mouse guarding the cheese” situation surrounding government investigations of itself…

That said, the reverse is also true… I wouldn’t want an investigation conducted by people whose sole purpose in life is to put Bush in prison no matter what they had to do to accomplish that. The truth could be the victim in either case. Therein lay the problem in finding an adequate investigatory body.

I’m writing about this for Monday’s WorldNetDaily column, and maybe I’ll do something about it for next week’s American Spectator thing as well… don’t know yet. You pretty much know where I stand, so there will be no surprises there, but I thank everybody for their input.

I’ve discovered a lot and gotten a bunch of reading to do. Thanks to all for the interesting give and take!

Jeff, you’re certainly right about the “mouse guarding the cheese” situation surrounding government investigations of itself…

That said, the reverse is also true… I wouldn’t want an investigation conducted by people whose sole purpose in life is to put Bush in prison no matter what they had to do to accomplish that. The truth could be the victim in either case. Therein lay the problem in finding an adequate investigatory body.

I’m writing about this for Monday’s WorldNetDaily column, and maybe I’ll do something about it for next week’s American Spectator thing as well… don’t know yet. You pretty much know where I stand, so there will be no surprises there, but I thank everybody for their input.

I’ve discovered a lot and gotten a bunch of reading to do. Thanks to all for the interesting give and take!

Jeff, you’re certainly right about the “mouse guarding the cheese” situation surrounding government investigations of itself…

That said, the reverse is also true… I wouldn’t want an investigation conducted by people whose sole purpose in life is to put Bush in prison no matter what they had to do to accomplish that. The truth could be the victim in either case. Therein lay the problem in finding an adequate investigatory body.

I’m writing about this for Monday’s WorldNetDaily column, and maybe I’ll do something about it for next week’s American Spectator thing as well… don’t know yet. You pretty much know where I stand, so there will be no surprises there, but I thank everybody for their input.

I’ve discovered a lot and gotten a bunch of reading to do. Thanks to all for the interesting give and take!

Jeff, you’re certainly right about the “mouse guarding the cheese” situation surrounding government investigations of itself…

That said, the reverse is also true… I wouldn’t want an investigation conducted by people whose sole purpose in life is to put Bush in prison no matter what they had to do to accomplish that. The truth could be the victim in either case. Therein lay the problem in finding an adequate investigatory body.

I’m writing about this for Monday’s WorldNetDaily column, and maybe I’ll do something about it for next week’s American Spectator thing as well… don’t know yet. You pretty much know where I stand, so there will be no surprises there, but I thank everybody for their input.

I’ve discovered a lot and gotten a bunch of reading to do. Thanks to all for the interesting give and take!

>I wouldn’t want an investigation conducted by people whose sole purpose in life is to put Bush in prison no matter what they had to do to accomplish that. The truth could be the victim in either case. Therein lay the problem in finding an adequate investigatory body.

Doug: you may be right about that. But really the first step is for the people to demand that the government released the information about 9/11 to the public. That is a reasonable step. Go look at the petition at http://www.st911.org and see if there is anything there that you find unreasonable. If there is anything you find unreasonable about what the petition demands, then let’s hear what you think. If you think the petition is reasonable, then let’s hear you say that. Please look over the petition and tell me whether you can sign it or not and why. It is very simple. It says we demand that the evidence be opened to public examination, and not hidden by the government.

That is the first step, Doug. Once we have the evidence, then we can all sit in the Superbowl for as long as it take to figure out where we go with it. But as long as the government is covering up the truth, I think we have an issue that most reasonable, informed people can agree with: let’s see the facts and stop hiding them!

>I wouldn’t want an investigation conducted by people whose sole purpose in life is to put Bush in prison no matter what they had to do to accomplish that. The truth could be the victim in either case. Therein lay the problem in finding an adequate investigatory body.

Doug: you may be right about that. But really the first step is for the people to demand that the government released the information about 9/11 to the public. That is a reasonable step. Go look at the petition at http://www.st911.org and see if there is anything there that you find unreasonable. If there is anything you find unreasonable about what the petition demands, then let’s hear what you think. If you think the petition is reasonable, then let’s hear you say that. Please look over the petition and tell me whether you can sign it or not and why. It is very simple. It says we demand that the evidence be opened to public examination, and not hidden by the government.

That is the first step, Doug. Once we have the evidence, then we can all sit in the Superbowl for as long as it take to figure out where we go with it. But as long as the government is covering up the truth, I think we have an issue that most reasonable, informed people can agree with: let’s see the facts and stop hiding them!

>I wouldn’t want an investigation conducted by people whose sole purpose in life is to put Bush in prison no matter what they had to do to accomplish that. The truth could be the victim in either case. Therein lay the problem in finding an adequate investigatory body.

Doug: you may be right about that. But really the first step is for the people to demand that the government released the information about 9/11 to the public. That is a reasonable step. Go look at the petition at http://www.st911.org and see if there is anything there that you find unreasonable. If there is anything you find unreasonable about what the petition demands, then let’s hear what you think. If you think the petition is reasonable, then let’s hear you say that. Please look over the petition and tell me whether you can sign it or not and why. It is very simple. It says we demand that the evidence be opened to public examination, and not hidden by the government.

That is the first step, Doug. Once we have the evidence, then we can all sit in the Superbowl for as long as it take to figure out where we go with it. But as long as the government is covering up the truth, I think we have an issue that most reasonable, informed people can agree with: let’s see the facts and stop hiding them!

>I wouldn’t want an investigation conducted by people whose sole purpose in life is to put Bush in prison no matter what they had to do to accomplish that. The truth could be the victim in either case. Therein lay the problem in finding an adequate investigatory body.

Doug: you may be right about that. But really the first step is for the people to demand that the government released the information about 9/11 to the public. That is a reasonable step. Go look at the petition at http://www.st911.org and see if there is anything there that you find unreasonable. If there is anything you find unreasonable about what the petition demands, then let’s hear what you think. If you think the petition is reasonable, then let’s hear you say that. Please look over the petition and tell me whether you can sign it or not and why. It is very simple. It says we demand that the evidence be opened to public examination, and not hidden by the government.

That is the first step, Doug. Once we have the evidence, then we can all sit in the Superbowl for as long as it take to figure out where we go with it. But as long as the government is covering up the truth, I think we have an issue that most reasonable, informed people can agree with: let’s see the facts and stop hiding them!

Doug said:
>My opinion is clear, but I’m open to considering things such as, if this was an “inside job”, then who is responsible, and what is the hard evidence against these people. I’m looking for facts.

Response:
Your opinion may be clear, but it is an opinion that has been formed without doing the required homework.

You are entitled to your opinion, but realize that 9/11 skeptics are just like you in one respect: we are looking for facts. Unfortunately, the government has destroyed a lot of the evidence, confiscated evidence, hidden evidence, and there is a good deal of reasonable analsysis out there that they have also altered and/or fabricated many pieces of evidence.

The real solution to this is to get the facts. Get the government to release the evidence it has. Then we can all form our opinions based on a more complete set of facts. However, the facts that are already available to the public show clearly that the government story is a lie. Go to http://www.st911.org to learn exactly how it is known that the government story is a lie.

Doug said:
>My opinion is clear, but I’m open to considering things such as, if this was an “inside job”, then who is responsible, and what is the hard evidence against these people. I’m looking for facts.

Response:
Your opinion may be clear, but it is an opinion that has been formed without doing the required homework.

You are entitled to your opinion, but realize that 9/11 skeptics are just like you in one respect: we are looking for facts. Unfortunately, the government has destroyed a lot of the evidence, confiscated evidence, hidden evidence, and there is a good deal of reasonable analsysis out there that they have also altered and/or fabricated many pieces of evidence.

The real solution to this is to get the facts. Get the government to release the evidence it has. Then we can all form our opinions based on a more complete set of facts. However, the facts that are already available to the public show clearly that the government story is a lie. Go to http://www.st911.org to learn exactly how it is known that the government story is a lie.

Doug said:
>My opinion is clear, but I’m open to considering things such as, if this was an “inside job”, then who is responsible, and what is the hard evidence against these people. I’m looking for facts.

Response:
Your opinion may be clear, but it is an opinion that has been formed without doing the required homework.

You are entitled to your opinion, but realize that 9/11 skeptics are just like you in one respect: we are looking for facts. Unfortunately, the government has destroyed a lot of the evidence, confiscated evidence, hidden evidence, and there is a good deal of reasonable analsysis out there that they have also altered and/or fabricated many pieces of evidence.

The real solution to this is to get the facts. Get the government to release the evidence it has. Then we can all form our opinions based on a more complete set of facts. However, the facts that are already available to the public show clearly that the government story is a lie. Go to http://www.st911.org to learn exactly how it is known that the government story is a lie.

Doug said:
>My opinion is clear, but I’m open to considering things such as, if this was an “inside job”, then who is responsible, and what is the hard evidence against these people. I’m looking for facts.

Response:
Your opinion may be clear, but it is an opinion that has been formed without doing the required homework.

You are entitled to your opinion, but realize that 9/11 skeptics are just like you in one respect: we are looking for facts. Unfortunately, the government has destroyed a lot of the evidence, confiscated evidence, hidden evidence, and there is a good deal of reasonable analsysis out there that they have also altered and/or fabricated many pieces of evidence.

The real solution to this is to get the facts. Get the government to release the evidence it has. Then we can all form our opinions based on a more complete set of facts. However, the facts that are already available to the public show clearly that the government story is a lie. Go to http://www.st911.org to learn exactly how it is known that the government story is a lie.

Doug,

Never argue with the insane. You can’t win with people who believe the truth is hidden by a cabal. They will rationalize and obfuscate to “prove” their point of view. Jeff111 is someone of minimal intellect who thinks that rumor replaces reason, shadows are substantional. You can never do enough homework to to see the world of paranoid delusion.

BTW, the pentagon had gone through a remodeling before the plane hit on 9/11. The walls had been reinforced before the plane hit. The missing frames/photos from the security cameras are due to the fact that security cameras run at lower frames per second than other cameras. That is to save on space.

There is a lot more paranoia in these posts to refute but I am following my own advice. Bye JEff and don’t forget to take your medicine.

Doug,

Never argue with the insane. You can’t win with people who believe the truth is hidden by a cabal. They will rationalize and obfuscate to “prove” their point of view. Jeff111 is someone of minimal intellect who thinks that rumor replaces reason, shadows are substantional. You can never do enough homework to to see the world of paranoid delusion.

BTW, the pentagon had gone through a remodeling before the plane hit on 9/11. The walls had been reinforced before the plane hit. The missing frames/photos from the security cameras are due to the fact that security cameras run at lower frames per second than other cameras. That is to save on space.

There is a lot more paranoia in these posts to refute but I am following my own advice. Bye JEff and don’t forget to take your medicine.

Doug,

Never argue with the insane. You can’t win with people who believe the truth is hidden by a cabal. They will rationalize and obfuscate to “prove” their point of view. Jeff111 is someone of minimal intellect who thinks that rumor replaces reason, shadows are substantional. You can never do enough homework to to see the world of paranoid delusion.

BTW, the pentagon had gone through a remodeling before the plane hit on 9/11. The walls had been reinforced before the plane hit. The missing frames/photos from the security cameras are due to the fact that security cameras run at lower frames per second than other cameras. That is to save on space.

There is a lot more paranoia in these posts to refute but I am following my own advice. Bye JEff and don’t forget to take your medicine.

Doug,

Never argue with the insane. You can’t win with people who believe the truth is hidden by a cabal. They will rationalize and obfuscate to “prove” their point of view. Jeff111 is someone of minimal intellect who thinks that rumor replaces reason, shadows are substantional. You can never do enough homework to to see the world of paranoid delusion.

BTW, the pentagon had gone through a remodeling before the plane hit on 9/11. The walls had been reinforced before the plane hit. The missing frames/photos from the security cameras are due to the fact that security cameras run at lower frames per second than other cameras. That is to save on space.

There is a lot more paranoia in these posts to refute but I am following my own advice. Bye JEff and don’t forget to take your medicine.

Doug asked:
>Where are the passengers from the plane that didn’t hit the Pentagon?

Here is a quote from a movie called, “In Plane Site.”

“There are those…who hear this information for the first time, and they inevitably ask the question, well if the plane didn’t hit the Pentagon then where did it go? The answer is, ‘I don’t know where it went…. But, then again, I didn’t say that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that was [the major TV networks and news agencies]. The question should be, ‘if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then where is it?’ And let’s keep in mind if we do find someone, a group, or an agency, that is involved with the obfuscation, distraction, distortion, or cover-up about any information about any of the events of 9/11, does that not indicate possible involvement, and even guilt, in the events of 9/11?”

Seriously, Doug, how is anybody in the general public supposed to know this? Do you know where the second glove went in the OJ Trial? They found one bloody glove, but they didn’t find the other. Is it reasonable for anybody to expect you to know where that glove is? The fact is, when a crime is committed, not every piece of evidence is available. Some has been hidden, disposed of, altered, or fabricated. I don’t think anybody is going to answer you definitively where the passengers are. One other thing, not all skeptics of the official story are focusing on the Pentagon issue. That is a good distraction from the strongest evidence that the government is lying. The strongest evidence of all is the collapse of the two towers, which defies the laws of physics absence prepositioned explosive demolition. There is plenty of other strong evidence of a lie and a coverup. Really, you should not even bother focusing on the Pentagon if you are still buying the government story. Look at the strongest evidence to knock down the government’s story: how the towers fell. Then look at the fall of WTC7 at 5pm. Watch Professor Griffin’s C-SPAN presentation. Watch 9/11 Revisited. Then watch Professor Jones’ physics lecture. The government story does not stand up. When you are done with your homework, I would like to hear your comments on how strong the government story is, and the government story stands up to careful analysis. After looking at these facts, it is clear that the government story could not possibly be true. Since you have already probably spent hundreds if not thousands of hours watching mainstream TV about 9/11, why not spend a couple hours looking at the evidence on the other side of the picture.
http://www.st911.org

Doug asked:
>Where are the passengers from the plane that didn’t hit the Pentagon?

Here is a quote from a movie called, “In Plane Site.”

“There are those…who hear this information for the first time, and they inevitably ask the question, well if the plane didn’t hit the Pentagon then where did it go? The answer is, ‘I don’t know where it went…. But, then again, I didn’t say that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that was [the major TV networks and news agencies]. The question should be, ‘if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then where is it?’ And let’s keep in mind if we do find someone, a group, or an agency, that is involved with the obfuscation, distraction, distortion, or cover-up about any information about any of the events of 9/11, does that not indicate possible involvement, and even guilt, in the events of 9/11?”

Seriously, Doug, how is anybody in the general public supposed to know this? Do you know where the second glove went in the OJ Trial? They found one bloody glove, but they didn’t find the other. Is it reasonable for anybody to expect you to know where that glove is? The fact is, when a crime is committed, not every piece of evidence is available. Some has been hidden, disposed of, altered, or fabricated. I don’t think anybody is going to answer you definitively where the passengers are. One other thing, not all skeptics of the official story are focusing on the Pentagon issue. That is a good distraction from the strongest evidence that the government is lying. The strongest evidence of all is the collapse of the two towers, which defies the laws of physics absence prepositioned explosive demolition. There is plenty of other strong evidence of a lie and a coverup. Really, you should not even bother focusing on the Pentagon if you are still buying the government story. Look at the strongest evidence to knock down the government’s story: how the towers fell. Then look at the fall of WTC7 at 5pm. Watch Professor Griffin’s C-SPAN presentation. Watch 9/11 Revisited. Then watch Professor Jones’ physics lecture. The government story does not stand up. When you are done with your homework, I would like to hear your comments on how strong the government story is, and the government story stands up to careful analysis. After looking at these facts, it is clear that the government story could not possibly be true. Since you have already probably spent hundreds if not thousands of hours watching mainstream TV about 9/11, why not spend a couple hours looking at the evidence on the other side of the picture.
http://www.st911.org

Doug asked:
>Where are the passengers from the plane that didn’t hit the Pentagon?

Here is a quote from a movie called, “In Plane Site.”

“There are those…who hear this information for the first time, and they inevitably ask the question, well if the plane didn’t hit the Pentagon then where did it go? The answer is, ‘I don’t know where it went…. But, then again, I didn’t say that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that was [the major TV networks and news agencies]. The question should be, ‘if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then where is it?’ And let’s keep in mind if we do find someone, a group, or an agency, that is involved with the obfuscation, distraction, distortion, or cover-up about any information about any of the events of 9/11, does that not indicate possible involvement, and even guilt, in the events of 9/11?”

Seriously, Doug, how is anybody in the general public supposed to know this? Do you know where the second glove went in the OJ Trial? They found one bloody glove, but they didn’t find the other. Is it reasonable for anybody to expect you to know where that glove is? The fact is, when a crime is committed, not every piece of evidence is available. Some has been hidden, disposed of, altered, or fabricated. I don’t think anybody is going to answer you definitively where the passengers are. One other thing, not all skeptics of the official story are focusing on the Pentagon issue. That is a good distraction from the strongest evidence that the government is lying. The strongest evidence of all is the collapse of the two towers, which defies the laws of physics absence prepositioned explosive demolition. There is plenty of other strong evidence of a lie and a coverup. Really, you should not even bother focusing on the Pentagon if you are still buying the government story. Look at the strongest evidence to knock down the government’s story: how the towers fell. Then look at the fall of WTC7 at 5pm. Watch Professor Griffin’s C-SPAN presentation. Watch 9/11 Revisited. Then watch Professor Jones’ physics lecture. The government story does not stand up. When you are done with your homework, I would like to hear your comments on how strong the government story is, and the government story stands up to careful analysis. After looking at these facts, it is clear that the government story could not possibly be true. Since you have already probably spent hundreds if not thousands of hours watching mainstream TV about 9/11, why not spend a couple hours looking at the evidence on the other side of the picture.
http://www.st911.org

Doug asked:
>Where are the passengers from the plane that didn’t hit the Pentagon?

Here is a quote from a movie called, “In Plane Site.”

“There are those…who hear this information for the first time, and they inevitably ask the question, well if the plane didn’t hit the Pentagon then where did it go? The answer is, ‘I don’t know where it went…. But, then again, I didn’t say that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that was [the major TV networks and news agencies]. The question should be, ‘if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then where is it?’ And let’s keep in mind if we do find someone, a group, or an agency, that is involved with the obfuscation, distraction, distortion, or cover-up about any information about any of the events of 9/11, does that not indicate possible involvement, and even guilt, in the events of 9/11?”

Seriously, Doug, how is anybody in the general public supposed to know this? Do you know where the second glove went in the OJ Trial? They found one bloody glove, but they didn’t find the other. Is it reasonable for anybody to expect you to know where that glove is? The fact is, when a crime is committed, not every piece of evidence is available. Some has been hidden, disposed of, altered, or fabricated. I don’t think anybody is going to answer you definitively where the passengers are. One other thing, not all skeptics of the official story are focusing on the Pentagon issue. That is a good distraction from the strongest evidence that the government is lying. The strongest evidence of all is the collapse of the two towers, which defies the laws of physics absence prepositioned explosive demolition. There is plenty of other strong evidence of a lie and a coverup. Really, you should not even bother focusing on the Pentagon if you are still buying the government story. Look at the strongest evidence to knock down the government’s story: how the towers fell. Then look at the fall of WTC7 at 5pm. Watch Professor Griffin’s C-SPAN presentation. Watch 9/11 Revisited. Then watch Professor Jones’ physics lecture. The government story does not stand up. When you are done with your homework, I would like to hear your comments on how strong the government story is, and the government story stands up to careful analysis. After looking at these facts, it is clear that the government story could not possibly be true. Since you have already probably spent hundreds if not thousands of hours watching mainstream TV about 9/11, why not spend a couple hours looking at the evidence on the other side of the picture.
http://www.st911.org

One other thing:
If Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon, all the government has to do is to release the several private and government videotapes that it has kept secret and hidden from the public showing Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Why is that so difficult for the government to release the videos? If and when the government releases those videos, and if it is clear upon independent analysis that these videos are authentic, then I will believe that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. But I still will not believe that the Towers came down from fire and airplane damage because the way they came down and the facts surrounding the event make that explanation physically impossible. It would defy several basic laws of physics. It also defies a myriad of eyewitness accounts from firefighters and others that there were multiple explosions prior to and during the collapse. Lot of other evidence too. Just check it out at http://www.st911.org

One other thing:
If Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon, all the government has to do is to release the several private and government videotapes that it has kept secret and hidden from the public showing Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Why is that so difficult for the government to release the videos? If and when the government releases those videos, and if it is clear upon independent analysis that these videos are authentic, then I will believe that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. But I still will not believe that the Towers came down from fire and airplane damage because the way they came down and the facts surrounding the event make that explanation physically impossible. It would defy several basic laws of physics. It also defies a myriad of eyewitness accounts from firefighters and others that there were multiple explosions prior to and during the collapse. Lot of other evidence too. Just check it out at http://www.st911.org

One other thing:
If Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon, all the government has to do is to release the several private and government videotapes that it has kept secret and hidden from the public showing Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Why is that so difficult for the government to release the videos? If and when the government releases those videos, and if it is clear upon independent analysis that these videos are authentic, then I will believe that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. But I still will not believe that the Towers came down from fire and airplane damage because the way they came down and the facts surrounding the event make that explanation physically impossible. It would defy several basic laws of physics. It also defies a myriad of eyewitness accounts from firefighters and others that there were multiple explosions prior to and during the collapse. Lot of other evidence too. Just check it out at http://www.st911.org

One other thing:
If Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon, all the government has to do is to release the several private and government videotapes that it has kept secret and hidden from the public showing Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Why is that so difficult for the government to release the videos? If and when the government releases those videos, and if it is clear upon independent analysis that these videos are authentic, then I will believe that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. But I still will not believe that the Towers came down from fire and airplane damage because the way they came down and the facts surrounding the event make that explanation physically impossible. It would defy several basic laws of physics. It also defies a myriad of eyewitness accounts from firefighters and others that there were multiple explosions prior to and during the collapse. Lot of other evidence too. Just check it out at http://www.st911.org

Coo coo, coo coo, coo coo.

“I believe that there are great unseen forces that control history.”

Paranoia, the destroyer…and it goes like this:

“If Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon, all the government has to do is to release the several private and government videotapes that it has kept secret and hidden from the public showing Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Why is that so difficult for the government to release the videos?”

Hmmm, the videos. Those videos. Perhaps they don’t fucking exist you moron. Oh what’s the point in arguing with a madman? There is always a convenient explanation for the lack of evidence because of the conspiracy. Get it? Buildings are wired with explosives but no one comes forward as witness.

Doug, Lord of the Fleiss! Brilliant. i am going to steal that.

Coo coo, coo coo, coo coo.

“I believe that there are great unseen forces that control history.”

Paranoia, the destroyer…and it goes like this:

“If Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon, all the government has to do is to release the several private and government videotapes that it has kept secret and hidden from the public showing Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Why is that so difficult for the government to release the videos?”

Hmmm, the videos. Those videos. Perhaps they don’t fucking exist you moron. Oh what’s the point in arguing with a madman? There is always a convenient explanation for the lack of evidence because of the conspiracy. Get it? Buildings are wired with explosives but no one comes forward as witness.

Doug, Lord of the Fleiss! Brilliant. i am going to steal that.

Coo coo, coo coo, coo coo.

“I believe that there are great unseen forces that control history.”

Paranoia, the destroyer…and it goes like this:

“If Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon, all the government has to do is to release the several private and government videotapes that it has kept secret and hidden from the public showing Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Why is that so difficult for the government to release the videos?”

Hmmm, the videos. Those videos. Perhaps they don’t fucking exist you moron. Oh what’s the point in arguing with a madman? There is always a convenient explanation for the lack of evidence because of the conspiracy. Get it? Buildings are wired with explosives but no one comes forward as witness.

Doug, Lord of the Fleiss! Brilliant. i am going to steal that.

Coo coo, coo coo, coo coo.

“I believe that there are great unseen forces that control history.”

Paranoia, the destroyer…and it goes like this:

“If Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon, all the government has to do is to release the several private and government videotapes that it has kept secret and hidden from the public showing Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. Why is that so difficult for the government to release the videos?”

Hmmm, the videos. Those videos. Perhaps they don’t fucking exist you moron. Oh what’s the point in arguing with a madman? There is always a convenient explanation for the lack of evidence because of the conspiracy. Get it? Buildings are wired with explosives but no one comes forward as witness.

Doug, Lord of the Fleiss! Brilliant. i am going to steal that.

So, all the pictures I’ve seen of plane wreckage in front of the Pentagon are fakes? The questions, like “since whoever was responsible had to make an airliner and its passengers disappear anyway, why NOT crash it into the Pentagon? Why add an unnecessary open thread to the loop of coverups?” are invalid?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

Many of these are covered nicely by these people:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html (I’ve been asked to read dozens of links, and I have, so if you read just one, check out this one… it includes the truth about the ”seismic evidence”.) PM Mag is obviously in on the conspiracy too.

http://www.oilempire.us/state.html

Did somebody say the black boxes were never recovered?

Flight 77: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09142001_200109142.html

No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

“Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77.”

Yes, the government has them. Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure. Is it a sign that something more sinister is going on. Not likely. It’s not like it’s a rarity. Go to your local police department and ask them to hand over all the information they have on recent murders in your area, and let me how it goes.

I’ve had so many people tell me to “wake up” in the past few days, and a good deal of them, while they may be awake, have had some serious wool pulled over their eyes.

So, all the pictures I’ve seen of plane wreckage in front of the Pentagon are fakes? The questions, like “since whoever was responsible had to make an airliner and its passengers disappear anyway, why NOT crash it into the Pentagon? Why add an unnecessary open thread to the loop of coverups?” are invalid?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

Many of these are covered nicely by these people:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html (I’ve been asked to read dozens of links, and I have, so if you read just one, check out this one… it includes the truth about the ”seismic evidence”.) PM Mag is obviously in on the conspiracy too.

http://www.oilempire.us/state.html

Did somebody say the black boxes were never recovered?

Flight 77: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09142001_200109142.html

No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

“Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77.”

Yes, the government has them. Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure. Is it a sign that something more sinister is going on. Not likely. It’s not like it’s a rarity. Go to your local police department and ask them to hand over all the information they have on recent murders in your area, and let me how it goes.

I’ve had so many people tell me to “wake up” in the past few days, and a good deal of them, while they may be awake, have had some serious wool pulled over their eyes.

So, all the pictures I’ve seen of plane wreckage in front of the Pentagon are fakes? The questions, like “since whoever was responsible had to make an airliner and its passengers disappear anyway, why NOT crash it into the Pentagon? Why add an unnecessary open thread to the loop of coverups?” are invalid?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

Many of these are covered nicely by these people:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html (I’ve been asked to read dozens of links, and I have, so if you read just one, check out this one… it includes the truth about the ”seismic evidence”.) PM Mag is obviously in on the conspiracy too.

http://www.oilempire.us/state.html

Did somebody say the black boxes were never recovered?

Flight 77: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09142001_200109142.html

No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

“Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77.”

Yes, the government has them. Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure. Is it a sign that something more sinister is going on. Not likely. It’s not like it’s a rarity. Go to your local police department and ask them to hand over all the information they have on recent murders in your area, and let me how it goes.

I’ve had so many people tell me to “wake up” in the past few days, and a good deal of them, while they may be awake, have had some serious wool pulled over their eyes.

So, all the pictures I’ve seen of plane wreckage in front of the Pentagon are fakes? The questions, like “since whoever was responsible had to make an airliner and its passengers disappear anyway, why NOT crash it into the Pentagon? Why add an unnecessary open thread to the loop of coverups?” are invalid?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

Many of these are covered nicely by these people:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html (I’ve been asked to read dozens of links, and I have, so if you read just one, check out this one… it includes the truth about the ”seismic evidence”.) PM Mag is obviously in on the conspiracy too.

http://www.oilempire.us/state.html

Did somebody say the black boxes were never recovered?

Flight 77: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09142001_200109142.html

No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

“Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77.”

Yes, the government has them. Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure. Is it a sign that something more sinister is going on. Not likely. It’s not like it’s a rarity. Go to your local police department and ask them to hand over all the information they have on recent murders in your area, and let me how it goes.

I’ve had so many people tell me to “wake up” in the past few days, and a good deal of them, while they may be awake, have had some serious wool pulled over their eyes.

On keeping secrets when more than a few people are involved:

The Manhattan Project involved literally hundreds of people keeping the development of the A Bomb secret, and the Stealth fighter and bomber likewise involved hundreds of people.

BIG secrets can be kept out of sight of the masses even if more than a few people are involved. This is even more true when the media is afraid or unwilling to publicize reports that contradict the government official story.

On keeping secrets when more than a few people are involved:

The Manhattan Project involved literally hundreds of people keeping the development of the A Bomb secret, and the Stealth fighter and bomber likewise involved hundreds of people.

BIG secrets can be kept out of sight of the masses even if more than a few people are involved. This is even more true when the media is afraid or unwilling to publicize reports that contradict the government official story.

On keeping secrets when more than a few people are involved:

The Manhattan Project involved literally hundreds of people keeping the development of the A Bomb secret, and the Stealth fighter and bomber likewise involved hundreds of people.

BIG secrets can be kept out of sight of the masses even if more than a few people are involved. This is even more true when the media is afraid or unwilling to publicize reports that contradict the government official story.

On keeping secrets when more than a few people are involved:

The Manhattan Project involved literally hundreds of people keeping the development of the A Bomb secret, and the Stealth fighter and bomber likewise involved hundreds of people.

BIG secrets can be kept out of sight of the masses even if more than a few people are involved. This is even more true when the media is afraid or unwilling to publicize reports that contradict the government official story.

The Manhattan Project involved literally hundreds of people keeping the development of the A Bomb secret, and the Stealth fighter and bomber likewise involved hundreds of people.

Those were secrets concerning the defense of our nation kept by patriotic people. Your comparison is not apt. You would have us believe that buildings were wired for demolition and the people in the buildings did not notice and that those involved were willing to engage in cold blooded murder of US citizens.

Sorry but I am not going to put the tin foil on my head.

The Manhattan Project involved literally hundreds of people keeping the development of the A Bomb secret, and the Stealth fighter and bomber likewise involved hundreds of people.

Those were secrets concerning the defense of our nation kept by patriotic people. Your comparison is not apt. You would have us believe that buildings were wired for demolition and the people in the buildings did not notice and that those involved were willing to engage in cold blooded murder of US citizens.

Sorry but I am not going to put the tin foil on my head.

The Manhattan Project involved literally hundreds of people keeping the development of the A Bomb secret, and the Stealth fighter and bomber likewise involved hundreds of people.

Those were secrets concerning the defense of our nation kept by patriotic people. Your comparison is not apt. You would have us believe that buildings were wired for demolition and the people in the buildings did not notice and that those involved were willing to engage in cold blooded murder of US citizens.

Sorry but I am not going to put the tin foil on my head.

The Manhattan Project involved literally hundreds of people keeping the development of the A Bomb secret, and the Stealth fighter and bomber likewise involved hundreds of people.

Those were secrets concerning the defense of our nation kept by patriotic people. Your comparison is not apt. You would have us believe that buildings were wired for demolition and the people in the buildings did not notice and that those involved were willing to engage in cold blooded murder of US citizens.

Sorry but I am not going to put the tin foil on my head.

To Bill C.:
Read your history. Governments have lied to the people over and over again. “False flag” terrorist operations have occurred so many times over history it is incredible.

http://www.911review.com/precedent/index.html

Check the above webpage. Below is an introduction to the links on the page.

Historical Precedents for 9/11/01
The largest single obstacle to people’s acceptance of the fact that the 9/11/01 attack was an inside job is the refusal to admit that the “leaders of the free world” would perpetrate such a cruel and deadly hoax. Yet history provides numerous examples in which governments have attacked their own nations, while blaming a target group.

The closest example in many respects is the 1933 Reichstag Fire. Today it is widely believed that the Nazis themselves set the German Reichstag ablaze as an excuse to suspend most civil liberties guaranteed by the 1919 constitution. While Hitler established himself as dictator, the Communists and other minorities were scapegoated.

There are several examples in the United States of precedents for 9/11/01 as an inside job, in one or more of the following respects.

Authorities ignore warnings and allow attack on their own people to proceed.
Authorities engineer an attack on their own people.
Authorities falsely blame a target group or individual for the attack, and use the incident to violate human rights and justify military adventurism.
Authorities destroy evidence and sabotage investigations.

This review divides historical precedents into the following three categories:

20th century attacks prior to the 1990s
1990s attacks
Attack scenarios that have become public knowledge

Bill C. can try to ridicule others by calling them crazy, but how much research has Bill done to form his opinion on? Probably zero.

Bill, go to the link, and spend five minutes reviewing the material, and then tell me why you cannot believe that no segment in any government would ever stoop to intentionally attack their own people and blame a target group for political purposes.

Bill, I think you need to read a little history or else you are going to not being able to imagine things that have been done repeatedly throughout history, including the history of this country.

You may think that anybody who doubts the government official story has tin foil on their heads, but if you don’t read up on this issue, you have a bag over your head.

To Bill C.:
Read your history. Governments have lied to the people over and over again. “False flag” terrorist operations have occurred so many times over history it is incredible.

http://www.911review.com/precedent/index.html

Check the above webpage. Below is an introduction to the links on the page.

Historical Precedents for 9/11/01
The largest single obstacle to people’s acceptance of the fact that the 9/11/01 attack was an inside job is the refusal to admit that the “leaders of the free world” would perpetrate such a cruel and deadly hoax. Yet history provides numerous examples in which governments have attacked their own nations, while blaming a target group.

The closest example in many respects is the 1933 Reichstag Fire. Today it is widely believed that the Nazis themselves set the German Reichstag ablaze as an excuse to suspend most civil liberties guaranteed by the 1919 constitution. While Hitler established himself as dictator, the Communists and other minorities were scapegoated.

There are several examples in the United States of precedents for 9/11/01 as an inside job, in one or more of the following respects.

Authorities ignore warnings and allow attack on their own people to proceed.
Authorities engineer an attack on their own people.
Authorities falsely blame a target group or individual for the attack, and use the incident to violate human rights and justify military adventurism.
Authorities destroy evidence and sabotage investigations.

This review divides historical precedents into the following three categories:

20th century attacks prior to the 1990s
1990s attacks
Attack scenarios that have become public knowledge

Bill C. can try to ridicule others by calling them crazy, but how much research has Bill done to form his opinion on? Probably zero.

Bill, go to the link, and spend five minutes reviewing the material, and then tell me why you cannot believe that no segment in any government would ever stoop to intentionally attack their own people and blame a target group for political purposes.

Bill, I think you need to read a little history or else you are going to not being able to imagine things that have been done repeatedly throughout history, including the history of this country.

You may think that anybody who doubts the government official story has tin foil on their heads, but if you don’t read up on this issue, you have a bag over your head.

To Bill C.:
Read your history. Governments have lied to the people over and over again. “False flag” terrorist operations have occurred so many times over history it is incredible.

http://www.911review.com/precedent/index.html

Check the above webpage. Below is an introduction to the links on the page.

Historical Precedents for 9/11/01
The largest single obstacle to people’s acceptance of the fact that the 9/11/01 attack was an inside job is the refusal to admit that the “leaders of the free world” would perpetrate such a cruel and deadly hoax. Yet history provides numerous examples in which governments have attacked their own nations, while blaming a target group.

The closest example in many respects is the 1933 Reichstag Fire. Today it is widely believed that the Nazis themselves set the German Reichstag ablaze as an excuse to suspend most civil liberties guaranteed by the 1919 constitution. While Hitler established himself as dictator, the Communists and other minorities were scapegoated.

There are several examples in the United States of precedents for 9/11/01 as an inside job, in one or more of the following respects.

Authorities ignore warnings and allow attack on their own people to proceed.
Authorities engineer an attack on their own people.
Authorities falsely blame a target group or individual for the attack, and use the incident to violate human rights and justify military adventurism.
Authorities destroy evidence and sabotage investigations.

This review divides historical precedents into the following three categories:

20th century attacks prior to the 1990s
1990s attacks
Attack scenarios that have become public knowledge

Bill C. can try to ridicule others by calling them crazy, but how much research has Bill done to form his opinion on? Probably zero.

Bill, go to the link, and spend five minutes reviewing the material, and then tell me why you cannot believe that no segment in any government would ever stoop to intentionally attack their own people and blame a target group for political purposes.

Bill, I think you need to read a little history or else you are going to not being able to imagine things that have been done repeatedly throughout history, including the history of this country.

You may think that anybody who doubts the government official story has tin foil on their heads, but if you don’t read up on this issue, you have a bag over your head.

To Bill C.:
Read your history. Governments have lied to the people over and over again. “False flag” terrorist operations have occurred so many times over history it is incredible.

http://www.911review.com/precedent/index.html

Check the above webpage. Below is an introduction to the links on the page.

Historical Precedents for 9/11/01
The largest single obstacle to people’s acceptance of the fact that the 9/11/01 attack was an inside job is the refusal to admit that the “leaders of the free world” would perpetrate such a cruel and deadly hoax. Yet history provides numerous examples in which governments have attacked their own nations, while blaming a target group.

The closest example in many respects is the 1933 Reichstag Fire. Today it is widely believed that the Nazis themselves set the German Reichstag ablaze as an excuse to suspend most civil liberties guaranteed by the 1919 constitution. While Hitler established himself as dictator, the Communists and other minorities were scapegoated.

There are several examples in the United States of precedents for 9/11/01 as an inside job, in one or more of the following respects.

Authorities ignore warnings and allow attack on their own people to proceed.
Authorities engineer an attack on their own people.
Authorities falsely blame a target group or individual for the attack, and use the incident to violate human rights and justify military adventurism.
Authorities destroy evidence and sabotage investigations.

This review divides historical precedents into the following three categories:

20th century attacks prior to the 1990s
1990s attacks
Attack scenarios that have become public knowledge

Bill C. can try to ridicule others by calling them crazy, but how much research has Bill done to form his opinion on? Probably zero.

Bill, go to the link, and spend five minutes reviewing the material, and then tell me why you cannot believe that no segment in any government would ever stoop to intentionally attack their own people and blame a target group for political purposes.

Bill, I think you need to read a little history or else you are going to not being able to imagine things that have been done repeatedly throughout history, including the history of this country.

You may think that anybody who doubts the government official story has tin foil on their heads, but if you don’t read up on this issue, you have a bag over your head.

Doug said:
>The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

Response:
Most serious 9/11 skeptic researchers know that we don’t know for sure what did or did not hit the Pentagon because we have not been given enought evidence. There certainly is not a preponderance of convincing evidence that Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. The question is: where is the beef? Where is the flight recorder data? Where are identifiable plane parts from Flight 77? Where are the bodies? And quite importantly, why did the FBI immediately confiscate all private videos of the crash, and continues to keep all videos, including Pentagon surveillance videos, of the supposed crash hidden from the public? If there was a crash, let’s see it!!!

But again, you are focusing on not the most important questions. The clear evidence that the government story is a lie is the evidence surrounding WTC towers and WTC7. Watch 9/11 Revisited and Professor Griffin’s video, and then explain those events to me.

Doug said:
>The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

Response:
Most serious 9/11 skeptic researchers know that we don’t know for sure what did or did not hit the Pentagon because we have not been given enought evidence. There certainly is not a preponderance of convincing evidence that Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. The question is: where is the beef? Where is the flight recorder data? Where are identifiable plane parts from Flight 77? Where are the bodies? And quite importantly, why did the FBI immediately confiscate all private videos of the crash, and continues to keep all videos, including Pentagon surveillance videos, of the supposed crash hidden from the public? If there was a crash, let’s see it!!!

But again, you are focusing on not the most important questions. The clear evidence that the government story is a lie is the evidence surrounding WTC towers and WTC7. Watch 9/11 Revisited and Professor Griffin’s video, and then explain those events to me.

Doug said:
>The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

Response:
Most serious 9/11 skeptic researchers know that we don’t know for sure what did or did not hit the Pentagon because we have not been given enought evidence. There certainly is not a preponderance of convincing evidence that Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. The question is: where is the beef? Where is the flight recorder data? Where are identifiable plane parts from Flight 77? Where are the bodies? And quite importantly, why did the FBI immediately confiscate all private videos of the crash, and continues to keep all videos, including Pentagon surveillance videos, of the supposed crash hidden from the public? If there was a crash, let’s see it!!!

But again, you are focusing on not the most important questions. The clear evidence that the government story is a lie is the evidence surrounding WTC towers and WTC7. Watch 9/11 Revisited and Professor Griffin’s video, and then explain those events to me.

Doug said:
>The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

Response:
Most serious 9/11 skeptic researchers know that we don’t know for sure what did or did not hit the Pentagon because we have not been given enought evidence. There certainly is not a preponderance of convincing evidence that Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. The question is: where is the beef? Where is the flight recorder data? Where are identifiable plane parts from Flight 77? Where are the bodies? And quite importantly, why did the FBI immediately confiscate all private videos of the crash, and continues to keep all videos, including Pentagon surveillance videos, of the supposed crash hidden from the public? If there was a crash, let’s see it!!!

But again, you are focusing on not the most important questions. The clear evidence that the government story is a lie is the evidence surrounding WTC towers and WTC7. Watch 9/11 Revisited and Professor Griffin’s video, and then explain those events to me.

Doug Regarding Flight 77 Black Boxes

Doug, you are so uninformed on some of these issues it is ridiculous. You wrote:

>>Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure.

You are implying that the familes have not approved that the data be released. Why is it that you write this when in fact lawyers representing 9/11 victim families have been attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data, which the government continues to keep secret?

You obviously are uninformed about many of the things you write about 9/11. In addition, the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

Doug, you have a lot of homework to do before you can consider yourself a serious journalist on this topic. Why don’t you read the following about the Flight 77 Black Boxes. Then let me hear what you think about this.

http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml

On September 14, the DoD announced that they had found the black boxes for Flight 77, and that they have been turned over to the NTSB. However, the data of the flight data recorders, or the voice from the voice recorder from Flight 77 have never been released:

September 14, 2001 — Searchers found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders about 4 a.m. today in the wreckage of the hijacked plane that slammed into the Pentagon on September 11, Defense Department officials said. The two “black boxes” will help investigators put together the puzzle of what happened during the doomed flight, said DoD spokesman Army Lt. Col. George H. Rhynedance. “The voice recorder will tell what was going on in the cockpit,” he said. The data box, he said, will tell what was happening with the aircraft as it headed toward the Pentagon, such as its rate of turn. Information from the two boxes will help determine what actually happened during the flight, he said. The recorders were turned over the FBI. The recorders are now at the National Transportation Safety Board laboratory in Washington, where technicians are working to recover data on the recorders. DoD

September 14, 2001 — Dick Bridges, deputy manager for Arlington County, Va., said the voice recorder was damaged on the outside and the flight data recorder was charred. But he said the FBI still was confident the data can be recovered from both devices.” “Bridges said the recorders were found “right where the plane came into the building.” Albuquerque Tribune

September 14, 2001 — FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have recovered some information from the flight data recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, the hijacked jet that slammed into the Pentagon. CNN

A damaged voice recorder and the charred flight data recorder from the hijacked have been sent to the FBI. Wired News

Feb. 25, 2002 –FBI Director Robert Mueller said Flight 77′s data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful. CBS

FBI Director Robert Mueller said that the voice data recorder contained nothing useful, it would imply that there are no words of the hijackers on the tape, which would once again reinforce our feeling that there is no evidence of hijackers. We’d like to have a independent and reputable expert look at the originals – perhaps what they do or do not contain is useful. Because, as we shall see below, we are deeply suspicious of the FBI’s withholding or burying all evidence related to Flight 77.

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said the data on the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable.

If the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable, it would be the first time in aviation history a solid-state data recorder (the type used on Flight 77) was unrecoverable after a crash. From a Scientific American feature article lauding the “Better Black Box” in their September 2000 issue:

Nearly 100,000 flight recorders have been installed in commercial aircraft over the past four decades. The prices of the latest models generally range from $10,000 to $20,000. Their survival rate has greatly improved in recent years as the FAA has raised the certification requirements. Although older recorders using magnetic tape were susceptible to fire damage, no solid-state device has been destroyed in an accident to date.

Lawyers representing 9/11 victim families are attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data. See 9/11 Lawyers Seek Black-Box Data on Saudi Hijackers by Tom Flocco, which indicates the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

Of course, as Flight 77 was not the plane involved in the Pentagon Attack, it’s black boxes would presumably show that, and the government would be very reluctant to allow the data to be examined, or allow the NTSB to carry out the investigation of the crash that is required by law.

Doug Regarding Flight 77 Black Boxes

Doug, you are so uninformed on some of these issues it is ridiculous. You wrote:

>>Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure.

You are implying that the familes have not approved that the data be released. Why is it that you write this when in fact lawyers representing 9/11 victim families have been attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data, which the government continues to keep secret?

You obviously are uninformed about many of the things you write about 9/11. In addition, the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

Doug, you have a lot of homework to do before you can consider yourself a serious journalist on this topic. Why don’t you read the following about the Flight 77 Black Boxes. Then let me hear what you think about this.

http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml

On September 14, the DoD announced that they had found the black boxes for Flight 77, and that they have been turned over to the NTSB. However, the data of the flight data recorders, or the voice from the voice recorder from Flight 77 have never been released:

September 14, 2001 — Searchers found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders about 4 a.m. today in the wreckage of the hijacked plane that slammed into the Pentagon on September 11, Defense Department officials said. The two “black boxes” will help investigators put together the puzzle of what happened during the doomed flight, said DoD spokesman Army Lt. Col. George H. Rhynedance. “The voice recorder will tell what was going on in the cockpit,” he said. The data box, he said, will tell what was happening with the aircraft as it headed toward the Pentagon, such as its rate of turn. Information from the two boxes will help determine what actually happened during the flight, he said. The recorders were turned over the FBI. The recorders are now at the National Transportation Safety Board laboratory in Washington, where technicians are working to recover data on the recorders. DoD

September 14, 2001 — Dick Bridges, deputy manager for Arlington County, Va., said the voice recorder was damaged on the outside and the flight data recorder was charred. But he said the FBI still was confident the data can be recovered from both devices.” “Bridges said the recorders were found “right where the plane came into the building.” Albuquerque Tribune

September 14, 2001 — FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have recovered some information from the flight data recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, the hijacked jet that slammed into the Pentagon. CNN

A damaged voice recorder and the charred flight data recorder from the hijacked have been sent to the FBI. Wired News

Feb. 25, 2002 –FBI Director Robert Mueller said Flight 77′s data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful. CBS

FBI Director Robert Mueller said that the voice data recorder contained nothing useful, it would imply that there are no words of the hijackers on the tape, which would once again reinforce our feeling that there is no evidence of hijackers. We’d like to have a independent and reputable expert look at the originals – perhaps what they do or do not contain is useful. Because, as we shall see below, we are deeply suspicious of the FBI’s withholding or burying all evidence related to Flight 77.

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said the data on the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable.

If the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable, it would be the first time in aviation history a solid-state data recorder (the type used on Flight 77) was unrecoverable after a crash. From a Scientific American feature article lauding the “Better Black Box” in their September 2000 issue:

Nearly 100,000 flight recorders have been installed in commercial aircraft over the past four decades. The prices of the latest models generally range from $10,000 to $20,000. Their survival rate has greatly improved in recent years as the FAA has raised the certification requirements. Although older recorders using magnetic tape were susceptible to fire damage, no solid-state device has been destroyed in an accident to date.

Lawyers representing 9/11 victim families are attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data. See 9/11 Lawyers Seek Black-Box Data on Saudi Hijackers by Tom Flocco, which indicates the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

Of course, as Flight 77 was not the plane involved in the Pentagon Attack, it’s black boxes would presumably show that, and the government would be very reluctant to allow the data to be examined, or allow the NTSB to carry out the investigation of the crash that is required by law.

Doug Regarding Flight 77 Black Boxes

Doug, you are so uninformed on some of these issues it is ridiculous. You wrote:

>>Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure.

You are implying that the familes have not approved that the data be released. Why is it that you write this when in fact lawyers representing 9/11 victim families have been attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data, which the government continues to keep secret?

You obviously are uninformed about many of the things you write about 9/11. In addition, the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

Doug, you have a lot of homework to do before you can consider yourself a serious journalist on this topic. Why don’t you read the following about the Flight 77 Black Boxes. Then let me hear what you think about this.

http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml

On September 14, the DoD announced that they had found the black boxes for Flight 77, and that they have been turned over to the NTSB. However, the data of the flight data recorders, or the voice from the voice recorder from Flight 77 have never been released:

September 14, 2001 — Searchers found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders about 4 a.m. today in the wreckage of the hijacked plane that slammed into the Pentagon on September 11, Defense Department officials said. The two “black boxes” will help investigators put together the puzzle of what happened during the doomed flight, said DoD spokesman Army Lt. Col. George H. Rhynedance. “The voice recorder will tell what was going on in the cockpit,” he said. The data box, he said, will tell what was happening with the aircraft as it headed toward the Pentagon, such as its rate of turn. Information from the two boxes will help determine what actually happened during the flight, he said. The recorders were turned over the FBI. The recorders are now at the National Transportation Safety Board laboratory in Washington, where technicians are working to recover data on the recorders. DoD

September 14, 2001 — Dick Bridges, deputy manager for Arlington County, Va., said the voice recorder was damaged on the outside and the flight data recorder was charred. But he said the FBI still was confident the data can be recovered from both devices.” “Bridges said the recorders were found “right where the plane came into the building.” Albuquerque Tribune

September 14, 2001 — FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have recovered some information from the flight data recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, the hijacked jet that slammed into the Pentagon. CNN

A damaged voice recorder and the charred flight data recorder from the hijacked have been sent to the FBI. Wired News

Feb. 25, 2002 –FBI Director Robert Mueller said Flight 77′s data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful. CBS

FBI Director Robert Mueller said that the voice data recorder contained nothing useful, it would imply that there are no words of the hijackers on the tape, which would once again reinforce our feeling that there is no evidence of hijackers. We’d like to have a independent and reputable expert look at the originals – perhaps what they do or do not contain is useful. Because, as we shall see below, we are deeply suspicious of the FBI’s withholding or burying all evidence related to Flight 77.

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said the data on the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable.

If the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable, it would be the first time in aviation history a solid-state data recorder (the type used on Flight 77) was unrecoverable after a crash. From a Scientific American feature article lauding the “Better Black Box” in their September 2000 issue:

Nearly 100,000 flight recorders have been installed in commercial aircraft over the past four decades. The prices of the latest models generally range from $10,000 to $20,000. Their survival rate has greatly improved in recent years as the FAA has raised the certification requirements. Although older recorders using magnetic tape were susceptible to fire damage, no solid-state device has been destroyed in an accident to date.

Lawyers representing 9/11 victim families are attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data. See 9/11 Lawyers Seek Black-Box Data on Saudi Hijackers by Tom Flocco, which indicates the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

Of course, as Flight 77 was not the plane involved in the Pentagon Attack, it’s black boxes would presumably show that, and the government would be very reluctant to allow the data to be examined, or allow the NTSB to carry out the investigation of the crash that is required by law.

Doug Regarding Flight 77 Black Boxes

Doug, you are so uninformed on some of these issues it is ridiculous. You wrote:

>>Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure.

You are implying that the familes have not approved that the data be released. Why is it that you write this when in fact lawyers representing 9/11 victim families have been attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data, which the government continues to keep secret?

You obviously are uninformed about many of the things you write about 9/11. In addition, the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

Doug, you have a lot of homework to do before you can consider yourself a serious journalist on this topic. Why don’t you read the following about the Flight 77 Black Boxes. Then let me hear what you think about this.

http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml

On September 14, the DoD announced that they had found the black boxes for Flight 77, and that they have been turned over to the NTSB. However, the data of the flight data recorders, or the voice from the voice recorder from Flight 77 have never been released:

September 14, 2001 — Searchers found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders about 4 a.m. today in the wreckage of the hijacked plane that slammed into the Pentagon on September 11, Defense Department officials said. The two “black boxes” will help investigators put together the puzzle of what happened during the doomed flight, said DoD spokesman Army Lt. Col. George H. Rhynedance. “The voice recorder will tell what was going on in the cockpit,” he said. The data box, he said, will tell what was happening with the aircraft as it headed toward the Pentagon, such as its rate of turn. Information from the two boxes will help determine what actually happened during the flight, he said. The recorders were turned over the FBI. The recorders are now at the National Transportation Safety Board laboratory in Washington, where technicians are working to recover data on the recorders. DoD

September 14, 2001 — Dick Bridges, deputy manager for Arlington County, Va., said the voice recorder was damaged on the outside and the flight data recorder was charred. But he said the FBI still was confident the data can be recovered from both devices.” “Bridges said the recorders were found “right where the plane came into the building.” Albuquerque Tribune

September 14, 2001 — FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have recovered some information from the flight data recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, the hijacked jet that slammed into the Pentagon. CNN

A damaged voice recorder and the charred flight data recorder from the hijacked have been sent to the FBI. Wired News

Feb. 25, 2002 –FBI Director Robert Mueller said Flight 77′s data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful. CBS

FBI Director Robert Mueller said that the voice data recorder contained nothing useful, it would imply that there are no words of the hijackers on the tape, which would once again reinforce our feeling that there is no evidence of hijackers. We’d like to have a independent and reputable expert look at the originals – perhaps what they do or do not contain is useful. Because, as we shall see below, we are deeply suspicious of the FBI’s withholding or burying all evidence related to Flight 77.

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said the data on the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable.

If the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable, it would be the first time in aviation history a solid-state data recorder (the type used on Flight 77) was unrecoverable after a crash. From a Scientific American feature article lauding the “Better Black Box” in their September 2000 issue:

Nearly 100,000 flight recorders have been installed in commercial aircraft over the past four decades. The prices of the latest models generally range from $10,000 to $20,000. Their survival rate has greatly improved in recent years as the FAA has raised the certification requirements. Although older recorders using magnetic tape were susceptible to fire damage, no solid-state device has been destroyed in an accident to date.

Lawyers representing 9/11 victim families are attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data. See 9/11 Lawyers Seek Black-Box Data on Saudi Hijackers by Tom Flocco, which indicates the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

Of course, as Flight 77 was not the plane involved in the Pentagon Attack, it’s black boxes would presumably show that, and the government would be very reluctant to allow the data to be examined, or allow the NTSB to carry out the investigation of the crash that is required by law.

Doug said:
>>I’ve had so many people tell me to “wake up” in the past few days, and a good deal of them, while they may be awake, have had some serious wool pulled over their eyes.

Let’s talk facts Doug. Tell me how WTC7 collapsed at free fall speed at around 5pm on 9/11/01 straight down into its own footprint.

And if there has not been a government coverup, then tell me why the collapse of a 47 story steel frame building (WTC7) at 5pm on 9/11/01, was not even MENTIONED in the 9/11 Whitewash Commission Report?

Let’s talk facts Doug, and don’t tell me about how “some people” believe this, and “some people” believe this. Tell me how you can explain and believe the official story and these facts which shoot your explanation to the ground.

Incidentally, Doug, students of logic do not fall for the “straw man” arguments you present. A straw man argument is when someone like you says that the “other side” says “X” when “X” is a grossly exaggerated and easily disprovable point that most people on the other side are NOT saying. Then you debunk “X” and try to discredit the whole group who you oppose.

Why don’t you stick with the issues I have brought up. Answer them. Research them. How did WTC7 collapse at near free fall speed on 9/11/01 at 5pm? How did the towers collapse at near free fall speed? Please stick to the facts, and stop the “straw man” diversion tactics.

Doug said:
>>I’ve had so many people tell me to “wake up” in the past few days, and a good deal of them, while they may be awake, have had some serious wool pulled over their eyes.

Let’s talk facts Doug. Tell me how WTC7 collapsed at free fall speed at around 5pm on 9/11/01 straight down into its own footprint.

And if there has not been a government coverup, then tell me why the collapse of a 47 story steel frame building (WTC7) at 5pm on 9/11/01, was not even MENTIONED in the 9/11 Whitewash Commission Report?

Let’s talk facts Doug, and don’t tell me about how “some people” believe this, and “some people” believe this. Tell me how you can explain and believe the official story and these facts which shoot your explanation to the ground.

Incidentally, Doug, students of logic do not fall for the “straw man” arguments you present. A straw man argument is when someone like you says that the “other side” says “X” when “X” is a grossly exaggerated and easily disprovable point that most people on the other side are NOT saying. Then you debunk “X” and try to discredit the whole group who you oppose.

Why don’t you stick with the issues I have brought up. Answer them. Research them. How did WTC7 collapse at near free fall speed on 9/11/01 at 5pm? How did the towers collapse at near free fall speed? Please stick to the facts, and stop the “straw man” diversion tactics.

Doug, you are wrong again.

Doug said:
>No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

The link you referenced to is not a story about black boxes from the WTC crashes. It is from the crash into the Pentagon.

I think you should read your articles more carefully. There is a big difference between the WTC and the Pentagon. Didn’t you know that?

Doug, you are wrong again.

Doug said:
>No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

The link you referenced to is not a story about black boxes from the WTC crashes. It is from the crash into the Pentagon.

I think you should read your articles more carefully. There is a big difference between the WTC and the Pentagon. Didn’t you know that?

Doug, you are wrong again.

Doug said:
>No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

The link you referenced to is not a story about black boxes from the WTC crashes. It is from the crash into the Pentagon.

I think you should read your articles more carefully. There is a big difference between the WTC and the Pentagon. Didn’t you know that?

Doug, you are wrong again.

Doug said:
>No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

The link you referenced to is not a story about black boxes from the WTC crashes. It is from the crash into the Pentagon.

I think you should read your articles more carefully. There is a big difference between the WTC and the Pentagon. Didn’t you know that?

WTC Black Boxes

Doug, here is the real story about the WTC Black Boxes. Don’t you know how to research these things yourself? Do I have to do all your homework for you?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/211205blackboxes.htm

9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

Dave Lindorff | December 21 2005

One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes’ data, says, “It’s very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it’s also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings.”

Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

“Off the record, we had the boxes,” the source says. “You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.”

The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. “No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center,” says the NTSB’s Lopatkiewicz. “At least none were delivered to us by the FBI.” He adds that the agency has “always had a good relationship’ with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.

For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. “To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them,” says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.

What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.

If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.

Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation’s “War on Terror” and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.

Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.

WTC Black Boxes

Doug, here is the real story about the WTC Black Boxes. Don’t you know how to research these things yourself? Do I have to do all your homework for you?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/211205blackboxes.htm

9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

Dave Lindorff | December 21 2005

One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes’ data, says, “It’s very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it’s also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings.”

Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

“Off the record, we had the boxes,” the source says. “You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.”

The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. “No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center,” says the NTSB’s Lopatkiewicz. “At least none were delivered to us by the FBI.” He adds that the agency has “always had a good relationship’ with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.

For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. “To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them,” says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.

What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.

If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.

Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation’s “War on Terror” and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.

Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.

WTC Black Boxes

Doug, here is the real story about the WTC Black Boxes. Don’t you know how to research these things yourself? Do I have to do all your homework for you?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/211205blackboxes.htm

9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

Dave Lindorff | December 21 2005

One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes’ data, says, “It’s very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it’s also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings.”

Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

“Off the record, we had the boxes,” the source says. “You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.”

The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. “No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center,” says the NTSB’s Lopatkiewicz. “At least none were delivered to us by the FBI.” He adds that the agency has “always had a good relationship’ with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.

For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. “To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them,” says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.

What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.

If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.

Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation’s “War on Terror” and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.

Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.

WTC Black Boxes

Doug, here is the real story about the WTC Black Boxes. Don’t you know how to research these things yourself? Do I have to do all your homework for you?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/211205blackboxes.htm

9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

Dave Lindorff | December 21 2005

One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes’ data, says, “It’s very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it’s also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings.”

Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

“Off the record, we had the boxes,” the source says. “You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.”

The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. “No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center,” says the NTSB’s Lopatkiewicz. “At least none were delivered to us by the FBI.” He adds that the agency has “always had a good relationship’ with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.

For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. “To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them,” says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.

What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.

If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.

Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation’s “War on Terror” and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.

Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.

Doug,
Do I get any money from you as your research assistant? Your research on this story when you wrote it appeared to be ZERO research.
But I am glad you are starting to get curious about some of the facts. It’s too bad that a journalist like yourself can’t do some of this research himself.

Regarding the collapse of the towers, this is the most important question. I want YOU to answer how the official story explains these observations by MIT engineer/research scientist and expert in controlled demolition Jeff King. He says the following:

The following is evidence that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition:

1. Speed of fall – approximately at free fall speed – what that says is that none of the kinetic energy is being dissipated, that all of the kinetic energy is going into accelerating the mass, which is what happens in a free fall. If any of this kinetic energy was diverted into breaking the physical structure of the building or pulverizing concrete, it would have significantly slowed down the collapse. Even in the very simplest model, if one floor falls down, hits it loose, and breaks the next, and then that one in turn falls, that the fall has to take somewhere on the order of 30 seconds, and that’s based on fairly generous assumptions. When you try to make a reasonable estimate of the amount of energy it would take to actually crumble the structure to the extent we see it as well as to pulverize the materials to the extent that we see it, it’s pretty clear that you’re talking about more energy than the total kinetic energy of the building. In other words, it shouldn’t have fallen at all, because you were extracting more energy than was there to be extracted. Putting that together leaves only the option that something removed the resistance; so that once the top of the building begins to fall, it doesn’t encounter any resistance. Something else, in this case, high explosives, is taking out the structure.
2. Another strong piece of supporting evidence is that in the rubble that was taken away, the sections of the core columns, these are massive 18 by 36 inch steel box columns with 4 inch thick steel at the base; these things were sliced off perfectly into one and two floor sections up to 24 feet long; they were sliced cleanly so they could be loaded on trucks and taken away. The fact that they were sliced cleanly points to an existing demolition technology which is called Safe Linear Charge and these are basically extruded little semi-circular pieces of material which is an explosive material bonded to a metal or ceramic backing and comes in these thin strips, it produces a linear focused shockwave that can completely slice through steel and if you look on the websites the demolition companies brag about how you can cut stuff up neatly to truck it away. Video evidence of the collapses of the WTC buildings (Buildings 1, 2 and 7) shows very energetic ejections of material from the sides of the buildings which can only be accounted for by explosives.
Put this together and it all points to explosives. They could have been radio controlled and sequenced and programmed by computer.
Another issue is the symmetry of the collapse, which is extremely unlikely from a physical point of view in an uncontrolled situation. A tall slender object will tend to topple over. If there is any tendency to go to the side, it will accelerate to the side where there is less resistance. These buildings collapsed straight down along their axis of greatest strength. The supporting beams simply disappeared. They essentially telescoped down along their long axis.
Implied in the official story is the concept that the steel columns must have telescoped
3. We have to consider the importance of the scrubbing of the crime scene which evidently came out of Gulliani’s office. The steel was taken away as quickly as humanly possible and sent off to recycling yards in Asia.
4. The dust particles were extremely small, below 25 microns. These particles are so small that they can be explained only if they are vaporized. The question of mechanism comes up, these metals have to be heated very hot. All of the concree, glass and gypsum were pulverized to such small particles. The fine particles imply an extremely high energy output to break the chemical bonds. The energy from the building falling is not even close enough to account for the amount of energy required to create this pulverization into fine dust.

Now, I know you think you are a genius at many things, like explosive demolition and physics, so please address these points, Doug.

Doug,
Do I get any money from you as your research assistant? Your research on this story when you wrote it appeared to be ZERO research.
But I am glad you are starting to get curious about some of the facts. It’s too bad that a journalist like yourself can’t do some of this research himself.

Regarding the collapse of the towers, this is the most important question. I want YOU to answer how the official story explains these observations by MIT engineer/research scientist and expert in controlled demolition Jeff King. He says the following:

The following is evidence that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition:

1. Speed of fall – approximately at free fall speed – what that says is that none of the kinetic energy is being dissipated, that all of the kinetic energy is going into accelerating the mass, which is what happens in a free fall. If any of this kinetic energy was diverted into breaking the physical structure of the building or pulverizing concrete, it would have significantly slowed down the collapse. Even in the very simplest model, if one floor falls down, hits it loose, and breaks the next, and then that one in turn falls, that the fall has to take somewhere on the order of 30 seconds, and that’s based on fairly generous assumptions. When you try to make a reasonable estimate of the amount of energy it would take to actually crumble the structure to the extent we see it as well as to pulverize the materials to the extent that we see it, it’s pretty clear that you’re talking about more energy than the total kinetic energy of the building. In other words, it shouldn’t have fallen at all, because you were extracting more energy than was there to be extracted. Putting that together leaves only the option that something removed the resistance; so that once the top of the building begins to fall, it doesn’t encounter any resistance. Something else, in this case, high explosives, is taking out the structure.
2. Another strong piece of supporting evidence is that in the rubble that was taken away, the sections of the core columns, these are massive 18 by 36 inch steel box columns with 4 inch thick steel at the base; these things were sliced off perfectly into one and two floor sections up to 24 feet long; they were sliced cleanly so they could be loaded on trucks and taken away. The fact that they were sliced cleanly points to an existing demolition technology which is called Safe Linear Charge and these are basically extruded little semi-circular pieces of material which is an explosive material bonded to a metal or ceramic backing and comes in these thin strips, it produces a linear focused shockwave that can completely slice through steel and if you look on the websites the demolition companies brag about how you can cut stuff up neatly to truck it away. Video evidence of the collapses of the WTC buildings (Buildings 1, 2 and 7) shows very energetic ejections of material from the sides of the buildings which can only be accounted for by explosives.
Put this together and it all points to explosives. They could have been radio controlled and sequenced and programmed by computer.
Another issue is the symmetry of the collapse, which is extremely unlikely from a physical point of view in an uncontrolled situation. A tall slender object will tend to topple over. If there is any tendency to go to the side, it will accelerate to the side where there is less resistance. These buildings collapsed straight down along their axis of greatest strength. The supporting beams simply disappeared. They essentially telescoped down along their long axis.
Implied in the official story is the concept that the steel columns must have telescoped
3. We have to consider the importance of the scrubbing of the crime scene which evidently came out of Gulliani’s office. The steel was taken away as quickly as humanly possible and sent off to recycling yards in Asia.
4. The dust particles were extremely small, below 25 microns. These particles are so small that they can be explained only if they are vaporized. The question of mechanism comes up, these metals have to be heated very hot. All of the concree, glass and gypsum were pulverized to such small particles. The fine particles imply an extremely high energy output to break the chemical bonds. The energy from the building falling is not even close enough to account for the amount of energy required to create this pulverization into fine dust.

Now, I know you think you are a genius at many things, like explosive demolition and physics, so please address these points, Doug.

Doug,
Do I get any money from you as your research assistant? Your research on this story when you wrote it appeared to be ZERO research.
But I am glad you are starting to get curious about some of the facts. It’s too bad that a journalist like yourself can’t do some of this research himself.

Regarding the collapse of the towers, this is the most important question. I want YOU to answer how the official story explains these observations by MIT engineer/research scientist and expert in controlled demolition Jeff King. He says the following:

The following is evidence that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition:

1. Speed of fall – approximately at free fall speed – what that says is that none of the kinetic energy is being dissipated, that all of the kinetic energy is going into accelerating the mass, which is what happens in a free fall. If any of this kinetic energy was diverted into breaking the physical structure of the building or pulverizing concrete, it would have significantly slowed down the collapse. Even in the very simplest model, if one floor falls down, hits it loose, and breaks the next, and then that one in turn falls, that the fall has to take somewhere on the order of 30 seconds, and that’s based on fairly generous assumptions. When you try to make a reasonable estimate of the amount of energy it would take to actually crumble the structure to the extent we see it as well as to pulverize the materials to the extent that we see it, it’s pretty clear that you’re talking about more energy than the total kinetic energy of the building. In other words, it shouldn’t have fallen at all, because you were extracting more energy than was there to be extracted. Putting that together leaves only the option that something removed the resistance; so that once the top of the building begins to fall, it doesn’t encounter any resistance. Something else, in this case, high explosives, is taking out the structure.
2. Another strong piece of supporting evidence is that in the rubble that was taken away, the sections of the core columns, these are massive 18 by 36 inch steel box columns with 4 inch thick steel at the base; these things were sliced off perfectly into one and two floor sections up to 24 feet long; they were sliced cleanly so they could be loaded on trucks and taken away. The fact that they were sliced cleanly points to an existing demolition technology which is called Safe Linear Charge and these are basically extruded little semi-circular pieces of material which is an explosive material bonded to a metal or ceramic backing and comes in these thin strips, it produces a linear focused shockwave that can completely slice through steel and if you look on the websites the demolition companies brag about how you can cut stuff up neatly to truck it away. Video evidence of the collapses of the WTC buildings (Buildings 1, 2 and 7) shows very energetic ejections of material from the sides of the buildings which can only be accounted for by explosives.
Put this together and it all points to explosives. They could have been radio controlled and sequenced and programmed by computer.
Another issue is the symmetry of the collapse, which is extremely unlikely from a physical point of view in an uncontrolled situation. A tall slender object will tend to topple over. If there is any tendency to go to the side, it will accelerate to the side where there is less resistance. These buildings collapsed straight down along their axis of greatest strength. The supporting beams simply disappeared. They essentially telescoped down along their long axis.
Implied in the official story is the concept that the steel columns must have telescoped
3. We have to consider the importance of the scrubbing of the crime scene which evidently came out of Gulliani’s office. The steel was taken away as quickly as humanly possible and sent off to recycling yards in Asia.
4. The dust particles were extremely small, below 25 microns. These particles are so small that they can be explained only if they are vaporized. The question of mechanism comes up, these metals have to be heated very hot. All of the concree, glass and gypsum were pulverized to such small particles. The fine particles imply an extremely high energy output to break the chemical bonds. The energy from the building falling is not even close enough to account for the amount of energy required to create this pulverization into fine dust.

Now, I know you think you are a genius at many things, like explosive demolition and physics, so please address these points, Doug.

Doug,
Do I get any money from you as your research assistant? Your research on this story when you wrote it appeared to be ZERO research.
But I am glad you are starting to get curious about some of the facts. It’s too bad that a journalist like yourself can’t do some of this research himself.

Regarding the collapse of the towers, this is the most important question. I want YOU to answer how the official story explains these observations by MIT engineer/research scientist and expert in controlled demolition Jeff King. He says the following:

The following is evidence that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition:

1. Speed of fall – approximately at free fall speed – what that says is that none of the kinetic energy is being dissipated, that all of the kinetic energy is going into accelerating the mass, which is what happens in a free fall. If any of this kinetic energy was diverted into breaking the physical structure of the building or pulverizing concrete, it would have significantly slowed down the collapse. Even in the very simplest model, if one floor falls down, hits it loose, and breaks the next, and then that one in turn falls, that the fall has to take somewhere on the order of 30 seconds, and that’s based on fairly generous assumptions. When you try to make a reasonable estimate of the amount of energy it would take to actually crumble the structure to the extent we see it as well as to pulverize the materials to the extent that we see it, it’s pretty clear that you’re talking about more energy than the total kinetic energy of the building. In other words, it shouldn’t have fallen at all, because you were extracting more energy than was there to be extracted. Putting that together leaves only the option that something removed the resistance; so that once the top of the building begins to fall, it doesn’t encounter any resistance. Something else, in this case, high explosives, is taking out the structure.
2. Another strong piece of supporting evidence is that in the rubble that was taken away, the sections of the core columns, these are massive 18 by 36 inch steel box columns with 4 inch thick steel at the base; these things were sliced off perfectly into one and two floor sections up to 24 feet long; they were sliced cleanly so they could be loaded on trucks and taken away. The fact that they were sliced cleanly points to an existing demolition technology which is called Safe Linear Charge and these are basically extruded little semi-circular pieces of material which is an explosive material bonded to a metal or ceramic backing and comes in these thin strips, it produces a linear focused shockwave that can completely slice through steel and if you look on the websites the demolition companies brag about how you can cut stuff up neatly to truck it away. Video evidence of the collapses of the WTC buildings (Buildings 1, 2 and 7) shows very energetic ejections of material from the sides of the buildings which can only be accounted for by explosives.
Put this together and it all points to explosives. They could have been radio controlled and sequenced and programmed by computer.
Another issue is the symmetry of the collapse, which is extremely unlikely from a physical point of view in an uncontrolled situation. A tall slender object will tend to topple over. If there is any tendency to go to the side, it will accelerate to the side where there is less resistance. These buildings collapsed straight down along their axis of greatest strength. The supporting beams simply disappeared. They essentially telescoped down along their long axis.
Implied in the official story is the concept that the steel columns must have telescoped
3. We have to consider the importance of the scrubbing of the crime scene which evidently came out of Gulliani’s office. The steel was taken away as quickly as humanly possible and sent off to recycling yards in Asia.
4. The dust particles were extremely small, below 25 microns. These particles are so small that they can be explained only if they are vaporized. The question of mechanism comes up, these metals have to be heated very hot. All of the concree, glass and gypsum were pulverized to such small particles. The fine particles imply an extremely high energy output to break the chemical bonds. The energy from the building falling is not even close enough to account for the amount of energy required to create this pulverization into fine dust.

Now, I know you think you are a genius at many things, like explosive demolition and physics, so please address these points, Doug.

Petition to have the government release the evidence

Doug, since you are saying we need more facts to come out, and we should investigate them, when are you going to sign the petition at http://www.st911.org and recommend that your readers do so as well?

If you would do your homework, you would find out that the 9/11 family organizations want the truth to come out.

If you would do your homework, you will also find out that each 9/11 family member who accepted the $1.5 million or so each given to them by the government as “victim compensation,” as a condition of receiving such payment, they agreed not to sue the US government, and also agreed to a gag order. In other words, the $1.5 million to each family member was hush money. Did you know that?

Petition to have the government release the evidence

Doug, since you are saying we need more facts to come out, and we should investigate them, when are you going to sign the petition at http://www.st911.org and recommend that your readers do so as well?

If you would do your homework, you would find out that the 9/11 family organizations want the truth to come out.

If you would do your homework, you will also find out that each 9/11 family member who accepted the $1.5 million or so each given to them by the government as “victim compensation,” as a condition of receiving such payment, they agreed not to sue the US government, and also agreed to a gag order. In other words, the $1.5 million to each family member was hush money. Did you know that?

Petition to have the government release the evidence

Doug, since you are saying we need more facts to come out, and we should investigate them, when are you going to sign the petition at http://www.st911.org and recommend that your readers do so as well?

If you would do your homework, you would find out that the 9/11 family organizations want the truth to come out.

If you would do your homework, you will also find out that each 9/11 family member who accepted the $1.5 million or so each given to them by the government as “victim compensation,” as a condition of receiving such payment, they agreed not to sue the US government, and also agreed to a gag order. In other words, the $1.5 million to each family member was hush money. Did you know that?

Petition to have the government release the evidence

Doug, since you are saying we need more facts to come out, and we should investigate them, when are you going to sign the petition at http://www.st911.org and recommend that your readers do so as well?

If you would do your homework, you would find out that the 9/11 family organizations want the truth to come out.

If you would do your homework, you will also find out that each 9/11 family member who accepted the $1.5 million or so each given to them by the government as “victim compensation,” as a condition of receiving such payment, they agreed not to sue the US government, and also agreed to a gag order. In other words, the $1.5 million to each family member was hush money. Did you know that?

Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 ‘Bribe’
Ignore Deadline for Compensation

by Tim Harper

WASHINGTON—For some, it’s blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

But as many as 73 families see the process of U.S. government compensation as an attempt to protect those who should be held accountable for what they believe was mass murder.

They ignored a midnight deadline last night, their last chance to apply for government cash.

And today, they begin a new stage in an arduous odyssey and will sue their government, airlines and state and local authorities.

“This may be uncharted waters, but I was thrown in a pool on Sept. 11, 2001 and had to learn to swim,” said Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband Richard in the World Trade Center attack.

“I am doing this for my husband. He was a gentle man, and he was alive, trying to get out of that building that day. The dead. The dying. The smoke. The terror. No one should have suffered like that. I want accountability. I need answers.”

The compensation fund has been controversial since President George W. Bush signed it into law 13 days after the attacks. For those who lost family members, it was always about protecting airlines, federal, state and local authorities from billions of dollars of lawsuits.

To receive the federal money, recipients must sign a waiver giving up their right to sue anyone involved in the worst terrorist attacks in U.S. history.

A late surge of claims on deadline yesterday meant close to 95 per cent of the 2,976 families who lost loved ones in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania were expected to finally take the money.

They will, on average, receive $1.8 million (all figures U.S.) each.

He said those who have chosen to sue have put no dollar figure on awards and each claim will be individually tailored.

Some $1.5 billion had been paid from the government fund by the weekend. Compensation for individual deaths has ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million. Those physically injured as a result of the attacks have received compensation ranging from $500 to $7.9 million.

Gabrielle says it is a bribe by the government so victims can be coerced into washing their hands of the affair.

She is also resentful that the government is determining the worth of loved ones.

“This is about mass murder,” she said. “I want to know who was responsible.

“No one has been fired. No one has been demoted. The same people who are guarding us today on an elevated security alert are the same people who were working that day.”

Gabrielle and others want to know more about the safety of the buildings and airport security.

Even those who have accepted the money see it only as the lesser of two evils.

Irene Golinski, 53, whose husband died in the Pentagon attack, was still grappling with the decision to put 9/11 behind her or continue with a lawsuit.

“It’s almost like it’s a payoff to save the airlines and not hold any of those people responsible for what happened,” she said.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1223-02.htm

Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 ‘Bribe’
Ignore Deadline for Compensation

by Tim Harper

WASHINGTON—For some, it’s blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

But as many as 73 families see the process of U.S. government compensation as an attempt to protect those who should be held accountable for what they believe was mass murder.

They ignored a midnight deadline last night, their last chance to apply for government cash.

And today, they begin a new stage in an arduous odyssey and will sue their government, airlines and state and local authorities.

“This may be uncharted waters, but I was thrown in a pool on Sept. 11, 2001 and had to learn to swim,” said Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband Richard in the World Trade Center attack.

“I am doing this for my husband. He was a gentle man, and he was alive, trying to get out of that building that day. The dead. The dying. The smoke. The terror. No one should have suffered like that. I want accountability. I need answers.”

The compensation fund has been controversial since President George W. Bush signed it into law 13 days after the attacks. For those who lost family members, it was always about protecting airlines, federal, state and local authorities from billions of dollars of lawsuits.

To receive the federal money, recipients must sign a waiver giving up their right to sue anyone involved in the worst terrorist attacks in U.S. history.

A late surge of claims on deadline yesterday meant close to 95 per cent of the 2,976 families who lost loved ones in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania were expected to finally take the money.

They will, on average, receive $1.8 million (all figures U.S.) each.

He said those who have chosen to sue have put no dollar figure on awards and each claim will be individually tailored.

Some $1.5 billion had been paid from the government fund by the weekend. Compensation for individual deaths has ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million. Those physically injured as a result of the attacks have received compensation ranging from $500 to $7.9 million.

Gabrielle says it is a bribe by the government so victims can be coerced into washing their hands of the affair.

She is also resentful that the government is determining the worth of loved ones.

“This is about mass murder,” she said. “I want to know who was responsible.

“No one has been fired. No one has been demoted. The same people who are guarding us today on an elevated security alert are the same people who were working that day.”

Gabrielle and others want to know more about the safety of the buildings and airport security.

Even those who have accepted the money see it only as the lesser of two evils.

Irene Golinski, 53, whose husband died in the Pentagon attack, was still grappling with the decision to put 9/11 behind her or continue with a lawsuit.

“It’s almost like it’s a payoff to save the airlines and not hold any of those people responsible for what happened,” she said.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1223-02.htm

Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 ‘Bribe’
Ignore Deadline for Compensation

by Tim Harper

WASHINGTON—For some, it’s blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

But as many as 73 families see the process of U.S. government compensation as an attempt to protect those who should be held accountable for what they believe was mass murder.

They ignored a midnight deadline last night, their last chance to apply for government cash.

And today, they begin a new stage in an arduous odyssey and will sue their government, airlines and state and local authorities.

“This may be uncharted waters, but I was thrown in a pool on Sept. 11, 2001 and had to learn to swim,” said Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband Richard in the World Trade Center attack.

“I am doing this for my husband. He was a gentle man, and he was alive, trying to get out of that building that day. The dead. The dying. The smoke. The terror. No one should have suffered like that. I want accountability. I need answers.”

The compensation fund has been controversial since President George W. Bush signed it into law 13 days after the attacks. For those who lost family members, it was always about protecting airlines, federal, state and local authorities from billions of dollars of lawsuits.

To receive the federal money, recipients must sign a waiver giving up their right to sue anyone involved in the worst terrorist attacks in U.S. history.

A late surge of claims on deadline yesterday meant close to 95 per cent of the 2,976 families who lost loved ones in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania were expected to finally take the money.

They will, on average, receive $1.8 million (all figures U.S.) each.

He said those who have chosen to sue have put no dollar figure on awards and each claim will be individually tailored.

Some $1.5 billion had been paid from the government fund by the weekend. Compensation for individual deaths has ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million. Those physically injured as a result of the attacks have received compensation ranging from $500 to $7.9 million.

Gabrielle says it is a bribe by the government so victims can be coerced into washing their hands of the affair.

She is also resentful that the government is determining the worth of loved ones.

“This is about mass murder,” she said. “I want to know who was responsible.

“No one has been fired. No one has been demoted. The same people who are guarding us today on an elevated security alert are the same people who were working that day.”

Gabrielle and others want to know more about the safety of the buildings and airport security.

Even those who have accepted the money see it only as the lesser of two evils.

Irene Golinski, 53, whose husband died in the Pentagon attack, was still grappling with the decision to put 9/11 behind her or continue with a lawsuit.

“It’s almost like it’s a payoff to save the airlines and not hold any of those people responsible for what happened,” she said.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1223-02.htm

Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 ‘Bribe’
Ignore Deadline for Compensation

by Tim Harper

WASHINGTON—For some, it’s blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

But as many as 73 families see the process of U.S. government compensation as an attempt to protect those who should be held accountable for what they believe was mass murder.

They ignored a midnight deadline last night, their last chance to apply for government cash.

And today, they begin a new stage in an arduous odyssey and will sue their government, airlines and state and local authorities.

“This may be uncharted waters, but I was thrown in a pool on Sept. 11, 2001 and had to learn to swim,” said Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband Richard in the World Trade Center attack.

“I am doing this for my husband. He was a gentle man, and he was alive, trying to get out of that building that day. The dead. The dying. The smoke. The terror. No one should have suffered like that. I want accountability. I need answers.”

The compensation fund has been controversial since President George W. Bush signed it into law 13 days after the attacks. For those who lost family members, it was always about protecting airlines, federal, state and local authorities from billions of dollars of lawsuits.

To receive the federal money, recipients must sign a waiver giving up their right to sue anyone involved in the worst terrorist attacks in U.S. history.

A late surge of claims on deadline yesterday meant close to 95 per cent of the 2,976 families who lost loved ones in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania were expected to finally take the money.

They will, on average, receive $1.8 million (all figures U.S.) each.

He said those who have chosen to sue have put no dollar figure on awards and each claim will be individually tailored.

Some $1.5 billion had been paid from the government fund by the weekend. Compensation for individual deaths has ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million. Those physically injured as a result of the attacks have received compensation ranging from $500 to $7.9 million.

Gabrielle says it is a bribe by the government so victims can be coerced into washing their hands of the affair.

She is also resentful that the government is determining the worth of loved ones.

“This is about mass murder,” she said. “I want to know who was responsible.

“No one has been fired. No one has been demoted. The same people who are guarding us today on an elevated security alert are the same people who were working that day.”

Gabrielle and others want to know more about the safety of the buildings and airport security.

Even those who have accepted the money see it only as the lesser of two evils.

Irene Golinski, 53, whose husband died in the Pentagon attack, was still grappling with the decision to put 9/11 behind her or continue with a lawsuit.

“It’s almost like it’s a payoff to save the airlines and not hold any of those people responsible for what happened,” she said.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1223-02.htm

http://www.justicefor911.org/press.php

9/11 Families and Survivors Group File
Expanded Complaint Urging New Spitzer-led
Investigations into 9/11

New York, NY (October 28, 2004) – Today a group of 9/11 victim family representatives, survivors and first responders files an updated 35-page Complaint and Petition with New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. Chief Investigator William Casey accepted the original Complaint/Petition from the Complainants on October 28th. In a call for truth and accountability, the Complaint demands that the AG open a criminal inquiry and/or grand jury investigation into the many still unsolved crimes of September 11, 2001 over which his office has jurisdiction. Co-complainant Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son in the attacks, said this is now absolutely necessary so that “justice is finally done.”

The group which operates under a “Justice for 9/11″ banner is posting the Complaint online at http://www.Justicefor911.org where those who wish to express their support can sign an electronic petition. “In essence the Complaint calls for criminal and civil probes into previously suppressed or ignored areas of inquiry identified by victim family members and others who have formally posed many questions to Congress, the 9/11 Commission, the FBI and other government agencies. Most of these questions have still not been addressed, let alone answered. There’s been zero accountability and full story behind 9/11 has yet to be told,” said Kyle F. Hence, spokesperson for the Steering Committee which will be announcing a Press Conference and further steps later next week.

The lead complainants who are seeking a meeting with lawyers at the AG’s office currently include Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son Robert in the World Trade Center collapse; Patricia Perry, who lost her son John, a New York City Police officer; Donna Marsh O’Connor who lost her daughter Vanessa Langer; William Rodriguez, a WTC maintenance worker and rescue effort hero; Jenna Orkin, Chairwoman of the World Trade Center Environmental Organization; Dr. Faiz Khan, Ground Zero triage physician; and EMT first responder, Megan Bartlett, founder of Ground Zero for Peace (who was recently hospitalized with malignant reactions to toxic WTC dust).

The resubmission of the Complaint follows a number of significant recent developments including statements by WTC rescue workers that 3 “black box” flight recorders were found at Ground Zero (in direct contradiction to the 9/11Commission Report); the November 16th firing of whistleblower Kevin Ryan* from Underwriters Laboratories for publicly challenging the preliminary conclusions of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigation of the World Trade Center collapses; and this week’s family member protests of NIST’s decision to hold most of its November 22nd Gaithersberg, Maryland hearings in secrecy.

The Complaint and its detailed evidentiary appendices are based upon years of independent research and investigation. Its legal form was triggered by three recent events: 1) the failure of the Kean Commission Report to provide a credible explanation of the 9/11 tragedies, to hold anyone accountable, or answer most of the questions posed by the 9/11 Family Steering Committee; 2) the August 30th Zogby 9/11 poll which showed that nearly half of NYC citizens believe government officials were “consciously” complicit in the attacks, and that two-thirds want a new investigation; and 3) the testimony and evidence put forth at the September 9, 2004 9/11 Citizens’ Commission hearings in Manhattan, organized by the watchdog and activist groups 9/11 CitizensWatch and 911truth.org.

The Complaint is also bolstered by the October 26th “9/11 Truth Statement” released by 911truth.org which calls for new and deeper investigations.

http://www.justicefor911.org/press.php

9/11 Families and Survivors Group File
Expanded Complaint Urging New Spitzer-led
Investigations into 9/11

New York, NY (October 28, 2004) – Today a group of 9/11 victim family representatives, survivors and first responders files an updated 35-page Complaint and Petition with New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. Chief Investigator William Casey accepted the original Complaint/Petition from the Complainants on October 28th. In a call for truth and accountability, the Complaint demands that the AG open a criminal inquiry and/or grand jury investigation into the many still unsolved crimes of September 11, 2001 over which his office has jurisdiction. Co-complainant Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son in the attacks, said this is now absolutely necessary so that “justice is finally done.”

The group which operates under a “Justice for 9/11″ banner is posting the Complaint online at http://www.Justicefor911.org where those who wish to express their support can sign an electronic petition. “In essence the Complaint calls for criminal and civil probes into previously suppressed or ignored areas of inquiry identified by victim family members and others who have formally posed many questions to Congress, the 9/11 Commission, the FBI and other government agencies. Most of these questions have still not been addressed, let alone answered. There’s been zero accountability and full story behind 9/11 has yet to be told,” said Kyle F. Hence, spokesperson for the Steering Committee which will be announcing a Press Conference and further steps later next week.

The lead complainants who are seeking a meeting with lawyers at the AG’s office currently include Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son Robert in the World Trade Center collapse; Patricia Perry, who lost her son John, a New York City Police officer; Donna Marsh O’Connor who lost her daughter Vanessa Langer; William Rodriguez, a WTC maintenance worker and rescue effort hero; Jenna Orkin, Chairwoman of the World Trade Center Environmental Organization; Dr. Faiz Khan, Ground Zero triage physician; and EMT first responder, Megan Bartlett, founder of Ground Zero for Peace (who was recently hospitalized with malignant reactions to toxic WTC dust).

The resubmission of the Complaint follows a number of significant recent developments including statements by WTC rescue workers that 3 “black box” flight recorders were found at Ground Zero (in direct contradiction to the 9/11Commission Report); the November 16th firing of whistleblower Kevin Ryan* from Underwriters Laboratories for publicly challenging the preliminary conclusions of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigation of the World Trade Center collapses; and this week’s family member protests of NIST’s decision to hold most of its November 22nd Gaithersberg, Maryland hearings in secrecy.

The Complaint and its detailed evidentiary appendices are based upon years of independent research and investigation. Its legal form was triggered by three recent events: 1) the failure of the Kean Commission Report to provide a credible explanation of the 9/11 tragedies, to hold anyone accountable, or answer most of the questions posed by the 9/11 Family Steering Committee; 2) the August 30th Zogby 9/11 poll which showed that nearly half of NYC citizens believe government officials were “consciously” complicit in the attacks, and that two-thirds want a new investigation; and 3) the testimony and evidence put forth at the September 9, 2004 9/11 Citizens’ Commission hearings in Manhattan, organized by the watchdog and activist groups 9/11 CitizensWatch and 911truth.org.

The Complaint is also bolstered by the October 26th “9/11 Truth Statement” released by 911truth.org which calls for new and deeper investigations.

http://www.justicefor911.org/press.php

9/11 Families and Survivors Group File
Expanded Complaint Urging New Spitzer-led
Investigations into 9/11

New York, NY (October 28, 2004) – Today a group of 9/11 victim family representatives, survivors and first responders files an updated 35-page Complaint and Petition with New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. Chief Investigator William Casey accepted the original Complaint/Petition from the Complainants on October 28th. In a call for truth and accountability, the Complaint demands that the AG open a criminal inquiry and/or grand jury investigation into the many still unsolved crimes of September 11, 2001 over which his office has jurisdiction. Co-complainant Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son in the attacks, said this is now absolutely necessary so that “justice is finally done.”

The group which operates under a “Justice for 9/11″ banner is posting the Complaint online at http://www.Justicefor911.org where those who wish to express their support can sign an electronic petition. “In essence the Complaint calls for criminal and civil probes into previously suppressed or ignored areas of inquiry identified by victim family members and others who have formally posed many questions to Congress, the 9/11 Commission, the FBI and other government agencies. Most of these questions have still not been addressed, let alone answered. There’s been zero accountability and full story behind 9/11 has yet to be told,” said Kyle F. Hence, spokesperson for the Steering Committee which will be announcing a Press Conference and further steps later next week.

The lead complainants who are seeking a meeting with lawyers at the AG’s office currently include Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son Robert in the World Trade Center collapse; Patricia Perry, who lost her son John, a New York City Police officer; Donna Marsh O’Connor who lost her daughter Vanessa Langer; William Rodriguez, a WTC maintenance worker and rescue effort hero; Jenna Orkin, Chairwoman of the World Trade Center Environmental Organization; Dr. Faiz Khan, Ground Zero triage physician; and EMT first responder, Megan Bartlett, founder of Ground Zero for Peace (who was recently hospitalized with malignant reactions to toxic WTC dust).

The resubmission of the Complaint follows a number of significant recent developments including statements by WTC rescue workers that 3 “black box” flight recorders were found at Ground Zero (in direct contradiction to the 9/11Commission Report); the November 16th firing of whistleblower Kevin Ryan* from Underwriters Laboratories for publicly challenging the preliminary conclusions of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigation of the World Trade Center collapses; and this week’s family member protests of NIST’s decision to hold most of its November 22nd Gaithersberg, Maryland hearings in secrecy.

The Complaint and its detailed evidentiary appendices are based upon years of independent research and investigation. Its legal form was triggered by three recent events: 1) the failure of the Kean Commission Report to provide a credible explanation of the 9/11 tragedies, to hold anyone accountable, or answer most of the questions posed by the 9/11 Family Steering Committee; 2) the August 30th Zogby 9/11 poll which showed that nearly half of NYC citizens believe government officials were “consciously” complicit in the attacks, and that two-thirds want a new investigation; and 3) the testimony and evidence put forth at the September 9, 2004 9/11 Citizens’ Commission hearings in Manhattan, organized by the watchdog and activist groups 9/11 CitizensWatch and 911truth.org.

The Complaint is also bolstered by the October 26th “9/11 Truth Statement” released by 911truth.org which calls for new and deeper investigations.

http://www.justicefor911.org/press.php

9/11 Families and Survivors Group File
Expanded Complaint Urging New Spitzer-led
Investigations into 9/11

New York, NY (October 28, 2004) – Today a group of 9/11 victim family representatives, survivors and first responders files an updated 35-page Complaint and Petition with New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. Chief Investigator William Casey accepted the original Complaint/Petition from the Complainants on October 28th. In a call for truth and accountability, the Complaint demands that the AG open a criminal inquiry and/or grand jury investigation into the many still unsolved crimes of September 11, 2001 over which his office has jurisdiction. Co-complainant Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son in the attacks, said this is now absolutely necessary so that “justice is finally done.”

The group which operates under a “Justice for 9/11″ banner is posting the Complaint online at http://www.Justicefor911.org where those who wish to express their support can sign an electronic petition. “In essence the Complaint calls for criminal and civil probes into previously suppressed or ignored areas of inquiry identified by victim family members and others who have formally posed many questions to Congress, the 9/11 Commission, the FBI and other government agencies. Most of these questions have still not been addressed, let alone answered. There’s been zero accountability and full story behind 9/11 has yet to be told,” said Kyle F. Hence, spokesperson for the Steering Committee which will be announcing a Press Conference and further steps later next week.

The lead complainants who are seeking a meeting with lawyers at the AG’s office currently include Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son Robert in the World Trade Center collapse; Patricia Perry, who lost her son John, a New York City Police officer; Donna Marsh O’Connor who lost her daughter Vanessa Langer; William Rodriguez, a WTC maintenance worker and rescue effort hero; Jenna Orkin, Chairwoman of the World Trade Center Environmental Organization; Dr. Faiz Khan, Ground Zero triage physician; and EMT first responder, Megan Bartlett, founder of Ground Zero for Peace (who was recently hospitalized with malignant reactions to toxic WTC dust).

The resubmission of the Complaint follows a number of significant recent developments including statements by WTC rescue workers that 3 “black box” flight recorders were found at Ground Zero (in direct contradiction to the 9/11Commission Report); the November 16th firing of whistleblower Kevin Ryan* from Underwriters Laboratories for publicly challenging the preliminary conclusions of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigation of the World Trade Center collapses; and this week’s family member protests of NIST’s decision to hold most of its November 22nd Gaithersberg, Maryland hearings in secrecy.

The Complaint and its detailed evidentiary appendices are based upon years of independent research and investigation. Its legal form was triggered by three recent events: 1) the failure of the Kean Commission Report to provide a credible explanation of the 9/11 tragedies, to hold anyone accountable, or answer most of the questions posed by the 9/11 Family Steering Committee; 2) the August 30th Zogby 9/11 poll which showed that nearly half of NYC citizens believe government officials were “consciously” complicit in the attacks, and that two-thirds want a new investigation; and 3) the testimony and evidence put forth at the September 9, 2004 9/11 Citizens’ Commission hearings in Manhattan, organized by the watchdog and activist groups 9/11 CitizensWatch and 911truth.org.

The Complaint is also bolstered by the October 26th “9/11 Truth Statement” released by 911truth.org which calls for new and deeper investigations.

P.S. you say you have looked at a lot of the evidence.
Why don’t you tell us what evidence you have looked at?
Have you seen Professor Griffin’s talk?
Have you seen 9/11 Revisited?
If so, what specific facts from those presentations do you have a problem with?

P.S. you say you have looked at a lot of the evidence.
Why don’t you tell us what evidence you have looked at?
Have you seen Professor Griffin’s talk?
Have you seen 9/11 Revisited?
If so, what specific facts from those presentations do you have a problem with?

P.S. you say you have looked at a lot of the evidence.
Why don’t you tell us what evidence you have looked at?
Have you seen Professor Griffin’s talk?
Have you seen 9/11 Revisited?
If so, what specific facts from those presentations do you have a problem with?

P.S. you say you have looked at a lot of the evidence.
Why don’t you tell us what evidence you have looked at?
Have you seen Professor Griffin’s talk?
Have you seen 9/11 Revisited?
If so, what specific facts from those presentations do you have a problem with?

You know what I think the problem is here… too much information. there is not one person able to get the whole story into 500 words, and that’s what the print media are looking for. One expert with credence who can put it all down with conscise authority.

You know what I think the problem is here… too much information. there is not one person able to get the whole story into 500 words, and that’s what the print media are looking for. One expert with credence who can put it all down with conscise authority.

You know what I think the problem is here… too much information. there is not one person able to get the whole story into 500 words, and that’s what the print media are looking for. One expert with credence who can put it all down with conscise authority.

You know what I think the problem is here… too much information. there is not one person able to get the whole story into 500 words, and that’s what the print media are looking for. One expert with credence who can put it all down with conscise authority.

Eyewitnesses’ and Experts’ Testimonies Consistent With Allegations of Deliberate Demolitions
Compiled and edited with summary and notations by Abel Ashes

Notice: This is a collection of sourced quotations from firefighters, news anchors, reporters, office workers, and other survivors of and eyewitnesses to the controlled demolitions of WTC. This paper is very incomplete at this stage. I have two notebooks full of additional on-the-record statements that add to this body of evidence. I don’t have time to type all of them right now. I will update this document periodically.

Summary:
The Twin Towers of the World Trade Center were each struck by large commercial aircraft on September 11th 2001. Both sustained major damage from both the impacts of and the fires resulting from the crashes of the airliners. A series of unexplained events commenced throughout the remainder of the day. These events include the explosions of and complete disintegration of nearly all non-steel materials comprising each of the Twin Towers, the implosion and complete collapse of WTC Building 7, and the near total destruction of WTC Building 6.

The North Tower, also known as 1 World Trade Center, was struck by a large commercial airliner at 8:46 AM EDT. 102 minutes, that’s one hour and forty-two minutes later the North Tower exploded into a cloud of dust and debris. Within 15 seconds the entire 110 story skyscraper had been reduced to a pile of fractured steel beams and a light powdery substance comprised of atomized concrete, glass, gypsum, and fiberglass insulation that flooded Lower Manhattan like a tsunami, leaving Lower Manhattan covered in a “snow-like substance.” The massive antenna on top of the North Tower survived the demolition intact, while everything below it was completely destroyed.

The South Tower, also known as 2 World Trade Center, was struck by a large commercial airliner at 9:03 AM EDT. 56 minutes later, that’s less than an hour, the South Tower exploded into a cloud of dust and debris. Within 15 seconds the entire 110 story skyscraper had been reduced to a pile of fractured steel beams and a light powdery substance comprised of atomized concrete, glass, gypsum, and fiberglass insulation, which flooded Lower Manhattan like a tsunami, leaving Lower Manhattan covered in a “snow-like substance.” The South Tower was hit after the North Tower and less directly than the North Tower, indicating that the South Tower should have sustained less damage from both the impact of the airliner and the fires resulting from the impact. Yet the South Tower exploded into a rapidly descending mushroom cloud much earlier than did the North Tower.

WTC Building 7 sustained major damage to the south side of the structure during, concurrent with, or immediately after the demolition of the South Tower at 9:59 AM EDT on September 11th 2001, according to FDNY firefighters quoted in Firehouse Magazine articles published in April, May, and August of 2002. Much later in the day, at 5:20 PM EDT, WTC Building 7 suddenly imploded from within. Within 7 seconds the 47 story skyscraper was reduced to a large pile of rubble. The outer walls had fallen inward, draping themselves over the pulverized interior of the structure.

WTC Building 6 was almost completely demolished on September 11th 2001 by causes unknown. The roof of and interior of the structure was completely destroyed, while the exterior walls were left standing. The best way to describe the severe damage to WTC Building 6 is to say that the interior of the structure had been turned into a crater.

Many people of all walks of life have alleged that the Twin Towers “fell” due to fire.

Many people of all walks of life have alleged that the Twin Towers “fell” due to structural damage.

Many people of all walks of life have alleged that the Twin Towers “fell” due to a combination of structural damage and fire.

All three groups referenced above fail to acknowledge that the Twin Tower at free fall speed and that most of the solid mass of the Twin Towers, aside from the structural steel, was spontaneously converted into mushrooming clouds of dust particles as small as 100 microns in diameter.

Initially many eyewitnesses and professional journalists stated that the explosions and disintegrations of the Twin Towers resembled controlled demolitions. Since September 11th 2001, an ever- increasing body of threatened, bought-off, cowardly, fraudulent, and treasonous “scientists”, “journalists”, and “public servants” have obediently pusillanimously promoted a plethora of scientifically bogus cover stories designed to mislead the global “civilian” population.

I invite you to watch video footage of, any footage of the explosion and disintegration of the South Tower, the explosion and disintegration of the North Tower, and the implosion and collapse of WTC Building 7.

I suggest the CNN DVD, “America Remembers” and the Naudet brothers’ DVD “9/11”.

I further invite you to read the following fully sourced, on-the-record statements from eyewitnesses and survivors, including personnel from the FDNY, NYPD, CNN, CBS, and more….

THE SOUTH TOWER OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER (WTC 2):
“ I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barclay Street, which was right there, with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for ten, maybe fifteen minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.” – New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani admitting prior knowledge to the collapse of the South Tower. (ABC News, 9/11/01)

“There has just been a huge explosion. We can see a cascade of sparks and fire and now this. It looks almost like a mushroom cloud explosion. And I can’t, I’ll tell you that I can’t see that second building.”- Aaron Brown, anchor CNN NewsNight describing the demolition of the South Tower as he watches it live during live CNN broadcast on 9/11/01. (CNN Tribute, America Remembers: The Events of September 11 and America’s Response {Commemorative Edition} [DVD]) http://cnn.com/americaremembers

“There was this wall of smoke that just came up over the top of the buildings, maybe twenty, thirty stories tall, like a tidal wave. I grabbed my camera, the tripod and all I could think of at this point and time is, the building just collapsed, there’s a wall of smoke and debris coming at us. Is there gonna be another explosion? Is there gas? Is there chemicals? And we ran.”- Brian Kiederling, CNN videographer describing the demolition of the South Tower in an interview for the CNN documentary, America Remembers. (Ibid.)

“There was this tumbleweed of debris that came at the building and the building had all glass windows, so as the debris was coming toward me, over the tops of everything, the brightness of the sun was just completely blacked-out. And it became almost like nighttime and then there was just silence and there weren’t any more ambulances. You couldn’t hear the police cars. You couldn’t hear the people in the street anymore. And I walked up to the glass and looked out and it almost looked like a blizzard had hit New York. There was this snow everywhere. And there was just no noise coming from down toward the World Trade Center.” – Rose Arce, CNN producer describing her experience as the South Tower was demolished, in an interview for the CNN documentary, America Remembers. (Ibid)

“We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the second trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building.” – Louie Cacchioli, 20 year veteran of the New York Fire Department, Engine 47, describing explosions in the South Tower before it’s collapse. (Unsigned. “Our Heroes/United in Courage” People.com [People Magazine] 9/12/01)Archived online at People Weekly 9/24/01 and at: http://propagandamatrix.com/louie_cacchioli.htm

“The building came down so orderly, floor by floor, that I presumed it was a controlled demolition. I hoped that it was. Maybe they got all the people out and now they’re bringing the building down to prevent mass casualties.”- WNYC radio reporter and NPR contributor, Beth Fertig (Bull, Chris, and Sam Erman, At Ground Zero: 25 Stories From Young Reporters Who Were There. New York: Thunder’s Mouth Press, 2002: 184

“As more and more and more and more and more emergency vehicles descended on the World Trade Center, I hear a second explosion in WTC 2, then a loud, low- frequency that precipitates the unthinkable – a collapse of all the floors above the point of explosion. First the top surface, containing the helipad, tips sideways in full view. Then the upper floors fall straight down in a demolition-style implosion, taking all lower floors with it, even those below the point of the explosion.” – Neil deGrasse Tyson, Director of the Hayden Planetarium of the American Museum of Natural History in New York City and Vice President of The Planetary Society, commenting on the demolition of the South Tower as he witnessed it from his apartment six blocks away. From: An Eyewitness Account of the World Trade Center Attacks from Neil deGrasse Tyson, The Planetary Society, September 12th 2001; online at http://www.planetary.org/html/society/advisors/sept11account.html

“There was an explosion – I didn’t think it was an explosion – but the base of the building shook. I felt it shake …then when we were outside, the second explosion happened and then there was a series of explosions…We can only wonder at the kind of damage – the kind of human damage – that was caused by those explosions – those series of explosions.” – Steve Evans, BBC employee commenting on the demolition of the South Tower. From: Eyewitnesses Tell of Horror, BBC, September 11th 2001; online at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1537500.stm

“I heard this metallic roar, looked up and saw what I thought was just a peculiar site of individual floors, one after the other exploding outward. I thought to myself, “My God, they’re going to bring the building down.” And they, whoever they are, had set charges. In fact the building was imploding down.
I saw the explosions, and I thought, ‘This is not a good place to be, because we’re too close to the building, and it’s too easy for the building to topple over.’” – John Bussey, foreign editor for the Wall Street Journal describing the demolition of the South Tower. (The Newseum with Cathy Trost and Alicia C. Shepard. Running Toward Danger: Stories Behind The Breaking News of 9/11. Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2002: 87

“I was frantically punching my cell phone number and one of the things I hit was my Chicago producer’s number. I told them I was on my way to the World Trade Center. As I said that, the first collapse of the tower happened. I was on the line and said, ‘Oh my God, there’s been an explosion.’”- Carol Marin, contributing reporter to CBS News. (Ibid.: 91)

“The building was in front of me, but I turned my back. Then I hear the explosion. I saw the top of the building coming down.”- Bolivar Arellano, photojournalist for the New York Post. (Ibid.: 92.)

“[WABC-TV reporter N.J. Burkett] said he wanted to do a stand-up. He motioned, “ Me, the firefighters and tilt up to the building.” I asked for another one [a second take, as I always do, because you never know, there could be crease in the tape or whatever. As I tilted up, the density of the sound in the area changed. It became thick. As I tilted up, I could feel it, but I could really tell you that I knew what I was seeing. I was seeing the building blow up.
I kept tilting and heard him [Burkett] say that the building was exploding.” – Marty Glembotzy, cameraman for WABC-TV, describing the demolition of the South Tower. (Ibid.: 93)

Battalion Seven Chief: “Battalion Seven…
Ladder 15, we’ve got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones.”

Ladder 15: “What stair are you in Orio?”

Ladder 15: “ Chief, What stair you in?”

Battalion Seven Chief: “South stairway Adam, South Tower.”

Ladder 15: “Floor 78?”

Battalion Seven Chief: “Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here.”

Ladder 15: “Alright ten-four, we’re on our way.”

Battalion Seven Chief: “I’m gonna need two of your firefighters Adam, stairway to knock down two fires. We have house line stretched. We could use some water on it, knock it down, kay?”

–Excerpts from transcript of radio dialog between New York Fire Department Battalion Chief Orio J. Palmer and NYFD Ladder 15. This conversation took place about eleven minutes before the demolition of the South Tower. Orio J. Palmer and Fire Marshall Ronald P. Bucca had just reached the 78th floor of the South Tower as this tape was being recorded. The impact zone from the airplane crash stretched from the 78th floor to the 84th floor. Mr. Palmer was clearly stating that the fire was containable. From: Report: Tape Sheds Light on WTC Rescuers, 08/04/02 online at http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/04/wtc.firefighters/ Audio of above transcript available online at http://www.propagandamatrix.com/wtc_tape.mp3

“Then the South Tower collapsed. I remember standing in front of the window and feeling the ground start to vibrate. It was as though someone had just put a huge sock over our entire building. I mean, it went from that bright crisp morning to just total blackness, and then it felt like an earthquake.
…There were maybe fifty to one hundred people in the lobby and everyone started running outside. The air was cool and debris was everywhere. It looked like the surface of Mars, all this white sediment and piles of computer paper and pieces of desks and more paper just falling through the air.
…There was a stench outside. I could feel something very itchy all over me. I pulled my coat over my nose. The air wasn’t black anymore, but it was like a very heavy white fog.” – Michelle Wiley, a New York City musician commenting on her experience of the demolition of the South Tower from her apartment in Gateway Plaza, one block from the WTC. (Never Forget, An Oral History Of September 11th, 2001, Mitchell Fink and Lois Mathias, Regan Books/Harper Collins, 2002: pages 10-11)

“All of a sudden I hear this sound, a noise like I’ve never heard in my life, the most frightening sound I’ve ever heard, like a thousand helicopters on top of us. And a rumbling like the earth was about to split apart. That was the first tower falling. We live on the eleventh floor, in a loft. Our windows shattered. Smoke started to come in, debris started in come in, and we were completely in darkness.
…We made it out of the apartment on our stomachs and people were screaming. People had glass in their hair, completely gray, full of soot and bleeding.
…We couldn’t get out of the building because once you got outside the door you couldn’t see a foot in front of you.
…The debris was like snow. We saw twisted metal, blood, clothing. I saw a baby carriage. It was like a war and we were refuges.
…You couldn’t run in this debris. It was like trying to run in the sand.
…My girlfriend had gotten debris in her eyes and in her throat, so she couldn’t really see for a while because the flakes were so big.” – Spencer Korbin, a New York City writer, commenting on his experience of the demolition of the South Tower from his apartment on Greenwich Street, two blocks from the WTC (Ibid.: pages 12-13)

“When the second plane went into the building, it just looked like an evil magician’s trick. It looked nothing like what I would have imagined a plane crashing into a building would look like. The plane just completely disappeared and turned into a giant fireball.
…Coming back across Brooklyn again you could see that the South Tower was already down. The entire lower Manhattan was covered in a giant white dust cloud. And as you came around to the North Tower again, you could still see the people falling and jumping, except it didn’t look so violent anymore because you weren’t watching them hit the ground. It was almost peaceful because they were falling into a white cloud.”
– Steven Bienkowski, police officer and scuba diver with the Harbor Unit Scuba Team of the New York City Police Department, describing his experience of the destruction of the South Tower as he witnessed it from an NYPD Air Sea Rescue helicopter (Ibid.: page16)

“We heard this rumbling sound, which was the South Tower collapsing, but we didn’t know that at the time. I thought the elevators were coming down, or part of the building or the plane or something was crashing through the lobby, because it started to fill quickly with debris.
We ran around a little corner toward 6 World Trade. We pushed everybody around the corner. We actually huddled down at the base of the escalator, the escalator that leads up to 6 World Trade and then to the North Bridge over West Street. But now this whole area, which was brightly lit, became totally black. We stayed there until the rumbling stopped, and we knew we were alive.
But I thought that it was a localized collapse. I never even suspected that the second tower collapsed.
…We went across the West Bridge with Jules and an EMS lieutenant. I went back and forth a few times and still didn’t know that the South Tower had collapsed. You couldn’t see it. What you saw was smoke. Many times when you get a big fire, smoke covers the building and you don’t see the building. But you know the building is still there. So when we looked, we were at a bad angle. It was just dust that covered where the building would be.” – Joseph Pfeifer, New York Fire Department Chief, Battalion 1, describing the demolition of the South Tower as he experienced it from the lobby of the North Tower (Ibid.: page 20)

“…It sounded like another plane was coming in. The firefighter and I just looked at each other and we dropped what we had and started to make our way back toward the firehouse, running down Liberty Street. The sound was deafening. I really thought it was another plane coming. I thought it was a 747 looking to make a landing on Liberty Street.
…So we ran into the firehouse.
…The impact of the South Tower collapsing literally picked me up and threw me through the air. I landed face first on the ground and a wave of debris came blowing by me. Things were hitting me, smoke, dirt, dust, and who-the-hell knows what else. It was instant blackness, the thickest, most choking smoke you could imagine. And I thought, ‘I’m in a firehouse…’
…There were people that were just picked up and blown around by the thing when it came down.
…Eventually, we got most of the firehouse completely evacuated through the back of the building because the front of it was completely covered in debris.
When the South Tower came down, I had gotten all kinds of injuries. Later on, when I went to the hospital, I found that I had a concussion, whiplash, smoke inhalation, cuts and bruises, and all kinds of stuff. And that was all just from the impact of the South Tower collapsing.” – Brain Smith, New York Fire Department, Battalion 31, describing his experience of the demolition of the South Tower. (Ibid.: pages 28 & 29)

“As we were nearing the park, we heard this noise, some people call it a rumble. I heard snapping, a tremendous snapping. I looked back and all I could see was the tsunami wave of dust and debris that was just rolling, and it was going to get us in a second.
…The wave was just about to get my back. It was ashy, but it was thick. You felt like your face was getting cut.
…Then I remember seeing a ray of sunshine coming through this dark haze, and I’m thinking, I’m not going to die. I’m going to be okay.
…My girls in wheelchairs, Becky Zheng and Stephanie Sealy, their stories send chills down your spine. At one point, the paraprofessionals, the classroom assistants responsible for the two girls, literally took them off the wheelchairs because there was so much debris and so much garbage on the road that the wheels wouldn’t turn. They simply put them on their backs and started running with them.” – Ada Rosario-Dolch, Principal of the High School for Leadership and Public Service, describing her experience of the destruction of the South Tower. (Ibid.: pages 39 & 40)

‘Breaking News: Third Explosion Shatters World Trade Center in New York.’ – video banner broadcast on TV screens across America and around the world during instant replay of the demolition of the South Tower on CNN on 9/11/01. This can be seen in the DVD “In Plane Site” available from http://www.thepowerhour.com

THE NORTH TOWER OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER (WTC 1):

Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “We got down to the lobby and we saw they abandoned the command post. We knew we were in trouble.”

Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “We came down. It was, it was, it was much worse than it was when we went up. Right? We went up. They had everything set up. We came down. It was desolate.”

Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “We came down to the lobby. It was like a fucking war zone. There was nobody there. Where the fuck? What do we do? We made it outside. We made it about a block?”

Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “We made it at least two blocks.”

Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “Two blocks.”

Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “…and we started runnin’.”

Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “Pock, pock, pock, pock, pock, pock, pock, pock!”

Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “Floor by floor, it started poppin’ out.”

Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “It was like, it was if, it was as if they had detonated.”

Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “Yeah, detonated.”

Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “You know, as if there were a plan to take down a building, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom!”

Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “All the way down. I was watchin’ it and runnin’.”

Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “We ran.”

Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “And then you just saw this cloud of shit chasin’, chasin’ you down.”

Unknown FDNY fireman, in uniform, but slightly off camera: “Where’d you go?”

Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “You couldn’t out run it. I jumped behind a battalion car. I hid under the car. I was waitin’ to die.”

– Transcript of a segment of the Naudet brothers’ documentary film “9/11”. This segment was filmed inside the FDNY downtown Manhattan firehouse, housing FDNY Engine 7 and Ladder 1 on September 11th 2001. There are numerous other firefighters in the firehouse, including Nick Borrillo of FDNY Ladder 1, listening as Tardio and Zoda recount what they saw, heard, and felt as the North Tower of the World Trade Center was demolished. ( 9/11, The Filmmakers’ Commemorative DVD Edition, a film by Jules and Gideon Naudet and James Hanlon, 2001 Goldfish Pictures, Inc.)

“I hear simultaneously this roar and see what appears to be a gigantic fireball rising up at ground level…I remember thinking that the fire and explosion didn’t get us but the smoke will if we don’t get out of here soon.
…I remember seeing this giant ball of fire come out of the earth as I heard this roar and thinking, ‘Who’s going to explain to my kids that I needed to be at the World Trade Center on this day?’” – Carol Marin, CBS News contributor, describing the demolition of the North Tower. (Op Cit., Newseum: pages 119 & 239)

“The reporters were trying to figure out what had happened. We were thinking bombs had brought the buildings down. The mayor talked to us and said he had no evidence of bombs.” – Beth Fertig, WNYC radio reporter, commenting on events at New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s command center after the demolitions of both of the Twin Towers. (Ibid.: 203.)

“We never thought the other building was going to fall. And then all of a sudden we heard this rumbling and then some guy screams, “Run!” We turn around and it was like being in a monster movie. We’re just shooting through this alley of buildings, and it was right on our tail. We ran as fast as we could. Fortunately, we were younger than a lot of people out there, and I guess in better shape. Some of the people we were walking with were just left there. We saw them being knocked over by debris. On television it looked like just a cloud of smoke. But it was monitors and desks and chairs, flying through the air, pieces of metal
…Then we were taken to Staten Island Hospital, my girlfriend and myself. These guys in white shoes and bioterrorism suits came out to meet us. They waved and said, “Where are you guys coming from?”
We said, “Manhattan. We were in the Trade Center incident.”
They waved us to another area and made us take off all our clothing. They showered us down in public, no clothes. They didn’t want our clothes in the hospital. We were naked, both of us. There were a couple of other naked people. They tried to cordon us off. They were so terrified that it was chemical warfare. They burnt our clothes. Our clothes were gone. Our shoes, her boots, whatever we were wearing. Our ID and credit cards were decontaminated for us. I never saw anybody talk about this on the news.
Then they brought us in as though we were lepers.
…When the second building fell, stuff just flew out of our apartment.
…When we tried to get back into the building, our building was a crime scene. They found body parts on terraces. They found a torso in a plane seat on our roof. Our building was one of the last buildings to be reopened. They had to reface it, decontaminate it, and of course put in all new windows. There was a luncheonette that we’d eat at in the morning, a block north from my apartment. It was completely destroyed, completely blown out, and I’m sure the place was full of people.”
-Spencer Korbin, a New York City writer, commenting on his experience of the demolition of the North Tower from outside his apartment on Greenwich Street, two blocks from the WTC and his experiences thereafter. (Never Forget, An Oral History Of September 11th, 2001, Mitchell Fink and Lois Mathias, Regan Books/Harper Collins, 2002: pages 13 and 14)

“As we were coming around to the North Tower, I said, ‘Oh, my God, it looks like it’s tilting.’ It came down a couple of minutes afterward, completely straight down, like a deck of cards.
The entire thickness of the cloud of dust was like nothing you’ve ever seen…” – Steven Bienkowski, police officer and scuba diver with the Harbor Unit Scuba Team of the New York City Police Department, describing his experience of the destruction of the North Tower as he witnessed it from an NYPD Air Sea Rescue helicopter (Ibid.: page16)

“ We were only out there a few minutes when we heard a loud rumbling sound, almost like a train if you’re standing underneath an overpass. And somebody yelled, “The building’s coming down. Run.”
…And then I heard all the crashing and the steel and now the street goes completely black. As a firefighter you kind of expect blackness inside of a burning building. But outside in broad daylight, you don’t.” – Joseph Pfeifer, New York Fire Department Chief, Battalion 1, describing the demolition of the North Tower as he experienced it from outdoors at the WTC complex. (Ibid.: page 21)

“And just when we were getting ready to do our last run through the building, my partner, another firefighter, and I started to hear that sound again. It sounded like another plane coming in. At this point it seemed like all these planes forgot where La Guardia Airport was. Everybody was looking to make a landing. I had no idea what had really happened. I just thought they were planes. I didn’t know until after I left Manhattan that the towers even came down. I just thought that 747s were landing all over the place. I honestly thought that a plane landed on Liberty Street in front of the firehouse, and that by some miracle I survived it.
We got up and after a few more scares we were able to pick our way through the back of the firehouse. That’s where Fu was.
…We carried him about two blocks south to Rector Street. Everything was on fire, smoke everywhere, and it was just complete bedlam. It looked like a war zone.” – Brain Smith, New York Fire Department, Battalion 31, describing his experience of the demolition of the North Tower. (Ibid. page 29)

“The North Tower was still burning out of control. Even at that point, it wasn’t on my mind that the other tower would come down. I never even thought about it. I was just focused on these guys. We got to the north pedestrian bridge and I remember hearing a noise like thunder. I hear it in my nightmares all the time. I never forget. I just looked up and you could see the antenna on top of the North Tower moving, and you knew it was coming down. There was no time to scream. If you hesitated, you were dead. There were about ten people in the area where we were. Only three of us made it out alive. I started running. I dropped everything I had. The gush of air that came down with the building picked me up and literally threw me through the air, almost like Peter Pan.
I landed not too far from the truck that I had responded in. Something told me to crawl underneath that truck. That’s where I ended up. I couldn’t hear anything. I remember screaming for Danny, and every time I’d breath in it was as if my head was stuck in sand.
…and I just started digging. I don’t know how long I was under the truck before I figured this out, but I started crawling my way out of there, digging through the rocks and debris. Just as I got out, a fireman who had been lodged in the debris had gotten himself out.
…People started calling out, ‘Is anybody out there?’ We went toward their voices. It was a deli owner and his wife. They pulled us in their deli. About six or seven cops and some firemen were already in there, all variously injured and having a hard time breathing. They had taken a hose out of the kitchen to clean everybody off. I had first-degree burns on every part of my skin that was exposed. Stuff started exploding outside the store. One of the cops thought that it might be secondary explosions. When terrorists do this sort of thing, they’ll put secondary bombs around to kill rescue workers. That’s an earmark of terrorism. And at that point you didn’t know what to believe. Everybody had lost all concept of what was going on, and everything was up for grabs. For all we knew, they had attacked all of Manhattan.
…I keep going to the doctors and they keep doing blood work. I still have very severe muscle cramps. Everybody still has shortness of breath, and ear, and mouth infections. I’ve actually lost a couple of teeth and they can’t figure out why.
…Hopefully it will get better. But the doctors don’t really have answers about what was inhaled that day. God knows what was in all that stuff, the levels of trace metals and asbestos and mercury, the gas from the air-conditioning units and mercury from the light bulbs. Nobody really knows.
I told health services, ‘You know, I lost two teeth. They just fell out.’
They said, ‘Well, you should see your dentist.’
I said, ‘No, you don’t understand. My teeth just fell out of my head. There’s got to be a reason.’” – Gary Smiley, FDNY Battalion 31 Paramedic, describing his experience of the destruction of the North Tower. (Ibid. pages 34 & 35)

“We have another report now, of a fourth explosion at the Trade Center…
…It almost looks like one of those implosions of buildings that you see.”-Aaron Brown, CNN anchor NewsNight, in two clips broadcast live on 9/11/01. The first is either before or during the demolition of the North Tower. The second is during a replay of footage of the demolition of the North Tower. Both can be seen in the DVD ‘In Plane Site”, which is available from http://www.thepowerhour.com

BOTH OF THE TWIN TOWERS (WTC 1 & 2):

“You have two 110 story office buildings. You don’t find a desk. You don’t find a chair. You don’t find a telephone, a computer. The biggest piece of a telephone I found was half of the keypad and it was about this big (hold his fingers approximately 21/2 to 3 inches apart). The building collapsed to dust! How are we supposed to find anybody in this, that there’s nothing left of the building.” – Joe Casaliggi, Engine 7 FDNY, in an interview conducted for and included in the Naudet brothers’ documentary, “9/11”. ( 9/11, The Filmmakers’ Commemorative DVD Edition, a film by Jules and Gideon Naudet and James Hanlon, 2001 Goldfish Pictures, Inc.)

“There was smoke everywhere. I heard the bomb and saw both buildings crumble like biscuits.”- Nadine Keller, WTC demolition eyewitness. From: Eyewitnesses Tell of Horror, BBC, September 11 2001; online at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1537500.stm

“The collapse of the buildings appears ‘too methodical’ to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures, said Van Romero, vice president for research at New Mexico Institute for Mining and Technology.
‘My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse,’ Romero said.” – Olivier Uyttebrouck, Explosives Planted In Towers, NM Tech Expert Says, Albuquerque Journal, 9/11/01; available online at http://propagandamatrix.com/Fire_Not_Extra_Explosives_Doomed_Buildings_Expert_Says.htm

“Conspiracy theorists have seized on Mr. Romero’s comments as evidence for their argument that someone else, possibly the U.S. government, was behind the attack on the Trade Center.
Romero said he has been bombarded with electronic mail from the conspiracy theorists.
‘I’m very upset about that,’ he said.’I’m not trying to say anything did or didn’t happen.’” – John Fleck, in a follow up to the previous article on Van Romero titled, Fire, Not Extra Explosives, Doomed Buildings, Expert Says, Albuquerque Journal, 9/21/01; available online at http://propagandamatrix.com/Fire_Not_Extra_Explosives_Doomed_Buildings_Expert_Says.htm

“A lead engineer who designed the World Trade Center expressed shock that the towers collapsed after being hit by passenger jets.
‘I designed it for a 707 to hit it,’ Lee Robertson, the project’s structural engineer said. The Boeing 707 has a fuel capacity of more than 23,000 gallons, comparable to the 767’s 23,980-gallon fuel capacity.
Another architect of the WTC, Aaron Swirski, lives in Israel and spoke to Jerusalem Post Radio after the attack: ’It was designed around that eventuality to survive this kind of attack.’ he said.
Hyman Brown, a University of Colorado civil engineering professor and the World Trade Center’s construction manager, watched in confusion as the towers came down. ‘It was over-designed to withstand almost anything, including hurricanes, high winds, bombings, and an airplane hitting it.’ He said.” – Christopher Bollyn, Eyewitness Reports Persist Of Bombs At WTC Collapse, American Free Press, 12/02/01; archived online at http://www.rense.com/general17/eyewitnessreportspersist.htm

“So we kept walking, sort of around the disaster area, trudging through this snow like substance. There was pieces of their desks and pieces of the photos on their desks and their Rolexes and documents. There was a resume from a kid that had gone to my college, who was applying for a job to work in the World Trade Center. It was very much like a weird movie, like, you know, ‘The Day After’, like a nuclear accident or a nuclear winter. It didn’t make any sense.” – Rose Arce, CNN producer describing the devastation following the demolitions of the Twin Towers, in an interview conducted for the CNN documentary, America Remembers. (CNN Tribute: America Remembers: The Events of September 11 and America’s Response {Commemorative Edition} [DVD])

– u“ In the area of where the blast occurred from the commercial jetliners, it’s like a nuclear winter, ash, soot piled on top of cars three inches deep.” – Unknown male announcer or journalist, describing Ground Zero on 9/12/01 (Ibid.)

WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING 7 (WTC 7):

CBS News anchor Dan Rather: “A large building, in most other cities it would be one of the largest buildings in town probably, Trade Center building 7 has collapsed. Now here were gonna show you a videotape of the collapse it’s self. Now here we go to videotape, the collapse of this building.”

Unknown male voice at CBS: “It’s amazing.”

CBS News anchor Dan Rather: “Amazing, incredible pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.”

-Transcript of live CBS News broadcast on 9/11/01 in which Dan Rather comments on what he sees as he watches videotape of the demolition of WTC building 7. This video clip can be seen in Alex Jones documentary video ‘Police State III: Total Enslavement’, available from http://www.infowars.com

“I remember getting a call from, uh, the Fire Department Commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire. I said, ‘you know we’ve had such a terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.” – Transcript of PBS interview with WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein, delivering an explanation of unknown authenticity, as to how and why the decision was made to demolish WTC Building 7. (Originally broadcast on PBS, September 2003)

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More 9/11 WTC Eyewitness Accounts Consistent With Controlled Demolition:

Explosive Testimony:
Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories
By David Ray Griffin

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192

Eyewitnesses Recalled Explosions, No Alarms or Sprinklers:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/eyewitnesses.html
United in Courage:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/people.html
9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby:
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html

A Resident’s View

By Ron J. Berard

http://www.musarium.com/stories/america-attacked/berard/index.html

9/11:Allen Ruch:

http://www.themodernword.com/091101.html

Eyewitness Reports of Explosions Before WTC Collapses:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/eyewitness.html

Eyewitness Reports Persist

Of
Bombs At WTC Collapse
By Christopher Bollyn
Exclusive to American Free Press
12-2-1

http://www.rense.com/general17/eyewitnessreportspersist.htm

William Frankenstein

Student in his junior year at Stuyvesant High School

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/americas/2001/day_of_terror/eyewitness/9.stm

WTC Workers and 9/11 Eyewitnesses Coming Forward about Bombs:

http://www.vocaboly.com/forums/ftopic6923.html

NYFD fire fighter Louie Cacchioli in People Magazine:

http://propagandamatrix.com/louie_cacchioli.htm

NIST’S WTC FIRE TEST PROVES NOTHING:

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=735

AMERICAN FREE PRESS:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_22_01/Some_Survivors_Say__Bombs_Expl/some_survivors_say__bombs_expl.html

NBC: FDNY Chief of Safety Reported Bombs Both Within the Towers and on the Planes on 9/11 http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/050504bombsinwtc.htm

When The Explosives Were Placed: WTC South Tower Upper Floors Closed on 9/8 & 9/9

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/1691636.php

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042304explosivesplaced.htm

9/11 Firefighter Observes: “The Building Collapsed to Dust”

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/051404collapsedtodust.htm

CBS News Channel Eyewitness Describes ‘Secondary Explosions’ in the WTC http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042704secondaryexplosions.htm

New York Firefighters Discuss Bombs in WTC Towers

http://www.prisonplanet.com/032404firefightersdiscuss.html

Update: World Trade Center 7 Imploded by Silverstein, FDNY and Others

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html

Geronimo Jones WTC Eyewitness:

http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=13

Justice for Children International

A great organization that works to stop child sex slavery:

http://jfci.org/

Prescription: Suicide?

A film by Robert Manciero

http://www.prescriptionsuicide.com/

Gulags for American Citizens in Final Planning Stages?
Halliburton sex slave trade criminals prepare camps for political dissidents:

http://infowars.com/articles/ps/gulags_for_american_citizens_in_final_stages.htm

Judicial Watch Files Lawsuit against Defense Department for Withholding Video of 9/11 Attack on Pentagon, DOD has “no legal basis” to refuse release of videotapes: http://www.judicialwatch.org/5724.shtml

Experts Call For Release of 9/11 Evidence:

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/PressRelease28Feb2006.html

http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/experts_call_for_release_of_911_evidence.htm

Study Shows Decline in Neurodevelopmental Disorders after Removal of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines:

http://infowars.com/articles/science/vaccines_study_decline_disorders_remove_thimersol.htm

Bill Clinton advised Dubai as Hillary criticizes its US ports deal:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/7000%2F20060302%2F1310000006.htm&sc=uswashrpt

Cancer chemical found in drinks

Traces of a cancer-causing chemical have been found in

British soft drinks at eight times the level permitted in drinking water,

BBC News has learned.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4763528.stm

Millions given to tsunami ‘sitting in UN bank accounts’:

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/02/ntsun02.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/03/02/ixhome.html

New Study: Declining Autism Cases Tied to Removal of Mercury from Vaccines, Study Shows Decline in Neurodevelopmental Disorders
After Removal of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines:

http://capwiz.com/a-champ/issues/alert/?alertid=8519116&queueid=633765701

N.J. Nurse Gets Multiple Life Terms:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20060302/1324444055.htm&floc=NW_1-T

Italian Panel: Soviets behind Pope Attack:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=hp-tos-news-h-04&floc=FF-APO-1103&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20060302%2F1255441595.htm&sc=1103

US troops say seize 61 al Qaeda in Iraq members:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=hp-tos-news-h-05&floc=ne-us-12-l14&flok=FF-RTO-rontz&idq=/ff/story/0002%2F20060302%2F1234441175.htm&sc=rontz

Pentagon develops brain implants to turn sharks into military spies:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article348700.ece

Why Americans Know More about The Simpsons Than The Constitution
And why it is a benchmark of how much danger we are in

http://infowars.com/articles/us/first_amendment_americans_know_more_about_simpsons.htm

THE HUNT FOR SECRET GLOBAL MEETING IS ON, AFP’S JIM TUCKER BEGINS QUEST FOR BILDERBERG: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/secret_global_meeting.html

Porton Down human experiments:

http://infowars.com/articles/ps/porton_down_human_experiments.htm

Democrats Want Independent Katrina Probe

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/K/KATRINA_VIDEO?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-03-01-18-15-10

AOL accused of planning ‘two-tier’ internet

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/7a358db2-a8a9-11da-aeeb-0000779e2340.html

Aleksandr I.Solzhenitsyn. Words of Warning to the Western World: http://lib.ru/PROZA/SOLZHENICYN/s_word_engl.txt

Secrets of the Dead Baby Industry – Aborted fetuses are being dissected alive, harvested and sold in pieces to fuel a vast research enterprise: http://www.interlife.org/secrets.html

Feds to Fine Protesters for Gitmo March:
http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=2786

Fla. Killer Asks Judge to Spare His Life

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20060214/1311301718.htm

Texas Mom Enters Plea in Baby’s Death

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20060214%2F0420256004.htm&sc=1110

US launches Internet freedom task force

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=ne-us-12-l8&flok=FF-AFP-uswashrpt&idq=/ff/story/7000%2F20060214%2F1515000006.htm&sc=uswashrpt

Feds License Nuke Dump on Utah Reservation

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=ne-us-12-l3&flok=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20060214%2F1522309646.htm&sc=1110

CIA chief sacked for opposing torture
Sarah Baxter and Michael Smith, Washington

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C2089-2036182%2C00.html

Ex-Playmate Reveals Playboy Mansion Secrets

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=104920

UN inquiry demands immediate closure of Guantanamo
By Con Coughlin, Defense and Security Editor in New York

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/13/wguan13.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/13/ixnewstop.html

Google Copies Your Hard Drive – Government Smiles in Anticipation
Consumers Should Not Use New Google Desktop

http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2006_02.php#004400

Homeland Security wraps up first mock cyber attack
By Anne Broache, CNET News.com

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6038082.html

Report: Pennsylvania ‘patriot’
tried to blow up oil pipelines
Federal agents think American sought to wreck U.S. economy with al-Qaeda

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48792

Syria switches to euro amid confrontation with US

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-02-13T153028Z_01_L13432231_RTRUKOC_0_US-SYRIA-US-FOREX.xml&rpc=22

Bush Sells ‘Major Control of 6 US Ports To Arab Firm

http://infowars.com/articles/us/bush_sells_control_of_6_us_ports_to_arab_firm.htm

Annan prepares for privatization of UN

http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Stories.aspx?Annan%20prepares%20for%20privatisation%20of%20UN&StoryID=523E5488-44AB-4751-8EEB-171844A8CC44&SectionID=F3B76EF0-7991-4389-B72E-D07EB5AA1CEE

After Shootings at Office, Mexican Paper Says No More ‘Drug’ Probes

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001958991

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FREE
Leonard Peltier!

Political Prisoner held for 30 years by U.S. government

A Hearing has been scheduled for February 13, 2006 to correct the illegal sentencing that occurred in Leonard Peltier’s case. The basis for this motion is that the United States District Court lacked subject matter jurisdiction under the statutes upon which Mr. Peltier was convicted and sentenced.

Leonard Peltier is a citizen of the Anishinabe and Dakota/Lakota Nations who has been unjustly imprisoned since 1976, even though government attorneys and courts acknowledge that the government withheld evidence, fabricated evidence, and coerced witnesses to fraudulently convict him. Leonard is recognized worldwide as a political prisoner and a symbol of resistance against the abuse and repression of indigenous people. To many Indigenous Peoples, Leonard Peltier is a symbol of the long history of abuse and repression they have endured.

This year marks the 30th year of Leonard’s imprisonment. Despite the fact that the government has admitted that the trial was a fraud, Leonard is still behind bars because the U.S. doesn’t want this vocal defender of indigenous rights to be free.

Call or Fax the Federal Court in St. Louis:

Thomas F. Eagleton United States Courthouse
111 South 10th Street
St. Louis, MO 63102
Phone (314) 244-2600
FAX (314) 244-2605

for more information about Leonard Peltier’s case and how you can help go to:

http://leonardpeltier.org

or

http://www.myspace.com/freepeltier

Sign these petitions for Peltier:

http://www.petitiononline.com/balpsg01/petition.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/comerade/

Make a financial contribution to Leonard’s legal defense team:

http://leonardpeltier.org/fundraising.htm

Write to the authorities demanding Leonard’s release:

http://leonardpeltier.org/takeaction.htm

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Stop the sexual abuse of children. Read this article and take action!

The Incest Loophole

By Andrew Vachss
Originally published in The New York Times Op-Ed, November 20, 2005

http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/nyt-11202005.html

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Hands Off Our Internet!

COMMON CAUSE, Holding Power Accountable

http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=1386967

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Homeland Security Gives Halliburton Subsidiary, Kellogg Brown & Root $385 Million to Build Detention Centers:

KBR Awarded U.S. Department of Homeland Security Contingency Support Project for Emergency Support Services
Tuesday January 24, 12:03 pm ET http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060124/20060124005819.html?.v=1

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New Poll Finds About Half of All Iraqis Back Attacks on Americans
By E&P Staff
Published: January 31, 2006 2:40 PM ET

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001921447

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AT&T calls for end to free internet
”People should pay for the use of our pipes”

By Nick Farrell: Wednesday 01 February 2006, 07:24

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29398

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Slave Labor: Made In USA (Excerpt):

http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_3116.shtml

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AT&T Sued over NSA spy program:

http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6033501.html?part=rss&tag=6033501&subj=news

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What Really Happened

By Cindy Sheehan

Truthout.com

Wednesday 01 February 2006

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020106Z.shtml

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Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA
James Fetzer (PRWEB) – Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006

http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060130/bs_prweb/prweb339303_5

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In memory of Coretta Scott King, plaintiff in the REAL “Trial Of The Century”:

“According to a Memphis jury’s verdict on December 8, 1999, in the wrongful death lawsuit of the King family versus Loyd Jowers “and other unknown co-conspirators,” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated by a conspiracy that included agencies of his own government. Almost 32 years after King’s murder at the Lorraine Motel in Memphis on April 4, 1968, a court extended the circle of responsibility for the assassination beyond the late scapegoat James Earl Ray to the United States government.”

The Martin Luther King Conspiracy Exposed In Memphis

by Jim Douglass,

Spring 2000, Probe Magazine

Click: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/MLKconExp.html

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RECOMMENDED VIDEO: A message from the Iraqi insurgency, for the American people http://attackfromwithin.org/docs/base.php

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http://www.myspace.com/citizenabe

http://abelahsimmons.gnn.tv

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Abel Ashes and The Runs: http://www.myspace.com/abelashestheruns

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