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Lord of the Fleiss: Charlie Sheen the New Leader of 9/11 Conspiracists

2006-03-23
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Up until recently, I was beginning to think that Charlie Sheen wasn’t the son of Martin Sheen. The first clue was that he had the same last name, and what child of Martin Sheen has the last name “Sheen”? Not many.

The second clue was that Charlie seemed to have confined his exploits to prostitutes and general debauchery like booze and cocaine. Chuck’s arrests weren’t like his dad’s, such as when Martin was busted in 1995 for his five-decade-late protest of the dropping of **Fat Man and Little Boy on Japan.

(**note to liberal youngsters: when we say “Fat Man and Little Boy” we’re not talking about Michael Moore and George Stephanopoulos)

But all good things must end. Charlie can’t fight the Martin Sheen genes anymore, as he’s now saying that 9/11 couldn’t have happened the way the government tells it. The collapse of the World Trade Centers looked like a “controlled demolition” to him, and he doubts a plane actually hit the Pentagon.

Of course, Charlie was baked on Acapulco red and had a whore sitting on his face at the time, but dammit, he knows what he saw! 

And just when I thought a Sheen had risen ‘high’ enough to escape the moonbat vacuum…

Et tu, Chuck?

For the other side, click on the “comments” tab and hear from those who are defending Charlie’s take. Questions for those who are pro-conspiracy: What did the government, or whoever was responsible, do with all the people who were ticketed on the plane that didn’t hit the Pentagon? Was it shot down over the water? Are they being held captive in the same hangar where the moon landing was faked? (theories abound, but most I’ve heard about are quickly shaved by Occam’s Razor)

And the biggest question of all: How many people would it have taken to pull off this enormously deceptive operation, and how is it possible to keep them all quiet? That’s even more amazing than all the other parts of these theories put together.

More late stuff…your help needed…

I’m working on a column about this. Not really on Sheen, but more on the accusation of conspiracy. My opinion is clear, but I’m open to considering things such as, if this was an “inside job”, then who is responsible, and what is the hard evidence against these people. I’m looking for facts, not just wishful “Bush did it to jack up oil prices…” talk, with ghosts running around planting explosives everywhere.

“WTC 7 was a controlled demolition, and so were the towers”…. great, then who did it? You can’t indict a stick of dynamite. Where are the passengers from the plane that didn’t hit the Pentagon? Evidence please, not theories that were spelled out in Oliver Stone’s bong water.

In the absence of any of this information, the entire debate is running around in circles, and this is relegated to “perfect crime” status, and there is no such thing, meaning there was no such perfect crime, just the crime that exists as we know it… terrorism.

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    Eyewitnesses’ and Experts’ Testimonies Consistent With Allegations of Deliberate Demolitions
    Compiled and edited with summary and notations by Abel Ashes

    Notice: This is a collection of sourced quotations from firefighters, news anchors, reporters, office workers, and other survivors of and eyewitnesses to the controlled demolitions of WTC. This paper is very incomplete at this stage. I have two notebooks full of additional on-the-record statements that add to this body of evidence. I don’t have time to type all of them right now. I will update this document periodically.

    Summary:
    The Twin Towers of the World Trade Center were each struck by large commercial aircraft on September 11th 2001. Both sustained major damage from both the impacts of and the fires resulting from the crashes of the airliners. A series of unexplained events commenced throughout the remainder of the day. These events include the explosions of and complete disintegration of nearly all non-steel materials comprising each of the Twin Towers, the implosion and complete collapse of WTC Building 7, and the near total destruction of WTC Building 6.

    The North Tower, also known as 1 World Trade Center, was struck by a large commercial airliner at 8:46 AM EDT. 102 minutes, that’s one hour and forty-two minutes later the North Tower exploded into a cloud of dust and debris. Within 15 seconds the entire 110 story skyscraper had been reduced to a pile of fractured steel beams and a light powdery substance comprised of atomized concrete, glass, gypsum, and fiberglass insulation that flooded Lower Manhattan like a tsunami, leaving Lower Manhattan covered in a “snow-like substance.” The massive antenna on top of the North Tower survived the demolition intact, while everything below it was completely destroyed.

    The South Tower, also known as 2 World Trade Center, was struck by a large commercial airliner at 9:03 AM EDT. 56 minutes later, that’s less than an hour, the South Tower exploded into a cloud of dust and debris. Within 15 seconds the entire 110 story skyscraper had been reduced to a pile of fractured steel beams and a light powdery substance comprised of atomized concrete, glass, gypsum, and fiberglass insulation, which flooded Lower Manhattan like a tsunami, leaving Lower Manhattan covered in a “snow-like substance.” The South Tower was hit after the North Tower and less directly than the North Tower, indicating that the South Tower should have sustained less damage from both the impact of the airliner and the fires resulting from the impact. Yet the South Tower exploded into a rapidly descending mushroom cloud much earlier than did the North Tower.

    WTC Building 7 sustained major damage to the south side of the structure during, concurrent with, or immediately after the demolition of the South Tower at 9:59 AM EDT on September 11th 2001, according to FDNY firefighters quoted in Firehouse Magazine articles published in April, May, and August of 2002. Much later in the day, at 5:20 PM EDT, WTC Building 7 suddenly imploded from within. Within 7 seconds the 47 story skyscraper was reduced to a large pile of rubble. The outer walls had fallen inward, draping themselves over the pulverized interior of the structure.

    WTC Building 6 was almost completely demolished on September 11th 2001 by causes unknown. The roof of and interior of the structure was completely destroyed, while the exterior walls were left standing. The best way to describe the severe damage to WTC Building 6 is to say that the interior of the structure had been turned into a crater.

    Many people of all walks of life have alleged that the Twin Towers “fell” due to fire.

    Many people of all walks of life have alleged that the Twin Towers “fell” due to structural damage.

    Many people of all walks of life have alleged that the Twin Towers “fell” due to a combination of structural damage and fire.

    All three groups referenced above fail to acknowledge that the Twin Tower at free fall speed and that most of the solid mass of the Twin Towers, aside from the structural steel, was spontaneously converted into mushrooming clouds of dust particles as small as 100 microns in diameter.

    Initially many eyewitnesses and professional journalists stated that the explosions and disintegrations of the Twin Towers resembled controlled demolitions. Since September 11th 2001, an ever- increasing body of threatened, bought-off, cowardly, fraudulent, and treasonous “scientists”, “journalists”, and “public servants” have obediently pusillanimously promoted a plethora of scientifically bogus cover stories designed to mislead the global “civilian” population.

    I invite you to watch video footage of, any footage of the explosion and disintegration of the South Tower, the explosion and disintegration of the North Tower, and the implosion and collapse of WTC Building 7.

    I suggest the CNN DVD, “America Remembers” and the Naudet brothers’ DVD “9/11”.

    I further invite you to read the following fully sourced, on-the-record statements from eyewitnesses and survivors, including personnel from the FDNY, NYPD, CNN, CBS, and more….

    THE SOUTH TOWER OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER (WTC 2):
    “ I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barclay Street, which was right there, with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for ten, maybe fifteen minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.” – New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani admitting prior knowledge to the collapse of the South Tower. (ABC News, 9/11/01)

    “There has just been a huge explosion. We can see a cascade of sparks and fire and now this. It looks almost like a mushroom cloud explosion. And I can’t, I’ll tell you that I can’t see that second building.”- Aaron Brown, anchor CNN NewsNight describing the demolition of the South Tower as he watches it live during live CNN broadcast on 9/11/01. (CNN Tribute, America Remembers: The Events of September 11 and America’s Response {Commemorative Edition} [DVD]) http://cnn.com/americaremembers

    “There was this wall of smoke that just came up over the top of the buildings, maybe twenty, thirty stories tall, like a tidal wave. I grabbed my camera, the tripod and all I could think of at this point and time is, the building just collapsed, there’s a wall of smoke and debris coming at us. Is there gonna be another explosion? Is there gas? Is there chemicals? And we ran.”- Brian Kiederling, CNN videographer describing the demolition of the South Tower in an interview for the CNN documentary, America Remembers. (Ibid.)

    “There was this tumbleweed of debris that came at the building and the building had all glass windows, so as the debris was coming toward me, over the tops of everything, the brightness of the sun was just completely blacked-out. And it became almost like nighttime and then there was just silence and there weren’t any more ambulances. You couldn’t hear the police cars. You couldn’t hear the people in the street anymore. And I walked up to the glass and looked out and it almost looked like a blizzard had hit New York. There was this snow everywhere. And there was just no noise coming from down toward the World Trade Center.” – Rose Arce, CNN producer describing her experience as the South Tower was demolished, in an interview for the CNN documentary, America Remembers. (Ibid)

    “We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the second trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building.” – Louie Cacchioli, 20 year veteran of the New York Fire Department, Engine 47, describing explosions in the South Tower before it’s collapse. (Unsigned. “Our Heroes/United in Courage” People.com [People Magazine] 9/12/01)Archived online at People Weekly 9/24/01 and at: http://propagandamatrix.com/louie_cacchioli.htm

    “The building came down so orderly, floor by floor, that I presumed it was a controlled demolition. I hoped that it was. Maybe they got all the people out and now they’re bringing the building down to prevent mass casualties.”- WNYC radio reporter and NPR contributor, Beth Fertig (Bull, Chris, and Sam Erman, At Ground Zero: 25 Stories From Young Reporters Who Were There. New York: Thunder’s Mouth Press, 2002: 184

    “As more and more and more and more and more emergency vehicles descended on the World Trade Center, I hear a second explosion in WTC 2, then a loud, low- frequency that precipitates the unthinkable – a collapse of all the floors above the point of explosion. First the top surface, containing the helipad, tips sideways in full view. Then the upper floors fall straight down in a demolition-style implosion, taking all lower floors with it, even those below the point of the explosion.” – Neil deGrasse Tyson, Director of the Hayden Planetarium of the American Museum of Natural History in New York City and Vice President of The Planetary Society, commenting on the demolition of the South Tower as he witnessed it from his apartment six blocks away. From: An Eyewitness Account of the World Trade Center Attacks from Neil deGrasse Tyson, The Planetary Society, September 12th 2001; online at http://www.planetary.org/html/society/advisors/sept11account.html

    “There was an explosion – I didn’t think it was an explosion – but the base of the building shook. I felt it shake …then when we were outside, the second explosion happened and then there was a series of explosions…We can only wonder at the kind of damage – the kind of human damage – that was caused by those explosions – those series of explosions.” – Steve Evans, BBC employee commenting on the demolition of the South Tower. From: Eyewitnesses Tell of Horror, BBC, September 11th 2001; online at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1537500.stm

    “I heard this metallic roar, looked up and saw what I thought was just a peculiar site of individual floors, one after the other exploding outward. I thought to myself, “My God, they’re going to bring the building down.” And they, whoever they are, had set charges. In fact the building was imploding down.
    I saw the explosions, and I thought, ‘This is not a good place to be, because we’re too close to the building, and it’s too easy for the building to topple over.’” – John Bussey, foreign editor for the Wall Street Journal describing the demolition of the South Tower. (The Newseum with Cathy Trost and Alicia C. Shepard. Running Toward Danger: Stories Behind The Breaking News of 9/11. Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2002: 87

    “I was frantically punching my cell phone number and one of the things I hit was my Chicago producer’s number. I told them I was on my way to the World Trade Center. As I said that, the first collapse of the tower happened. I was on the line and said, ‘Oh my God, there’s been an explosion.’”- Carol Marin, contributing reporter to CBS News. (Ibid.: 91)

    “The building was in front of me, but I turned my back. Then I hear the explosion. I saw the top of the building coming down.”- Bolivar Arellano, photojournalist for the New York Post. (Ibid.: 92.)

    “[WABC-TV reporter N.J. Burkett] said he wanted to do a stand-up. He motioned, “ Me, the firefighters and tilt up to the building.” I asked for another one [a second take, as I always do, because you never know, there could be crease in the tape or whatever. As I tilted up, the density of the sound in the area changed. It became thick. As I tilted up, I could feel it, but I could really tell you that I knew what I was seeing. I was seeing the building blow up.
    I kept tilting and heard him [Burkett] say that the building was exploding.” – Marty Glembotzy, cameraman for WABC-TV, describing the demolition of the South Tower. (Ibid.: 93)

    Battalion Seven Chief: “Battalion Seven…
    Ladder 15, we’ve got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones.”

    Ladder 15: “What stair are you in Orio?”

    Ladder 15: “ Chief, What stair you in?”

    Battalion Seven Chief: “South stairway Adam, South Tower.”

    Ladder 15: “Floor 78?”

    Battalion Seven Chief: “Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here.”

    Ladder 15: “Alright ten-four, we’re on our way.”

    Battalion Seven Chief: “I’m gonna need two of your firefighters Adam, stairway to knock down two fires. We have house line stretched. We could use some water on it, knock it down, kay?”

    –Excerpts from transcript of radio dialog between New York Fire Department Battalion Chief Orio J. Palmer and NYFD Ladder 15. This conversation took place about eleven minutes before the demolition of the South Tower. Orio J. Palmer and Fire Marshall Ronald P. Bucca had just reached the 78th floor of the South Tower as this tape was being recorded. The impact zone from the airplane crash stretched from the 78th floor to the 84th floor. Mr. Palmer was clearly stating that the fire was containable. From: Report: Tape Sheds Light on WTC Rescuers, 08/04/02 online at http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/04/wtc.firefighters/ Audio of above transcript available online at http://www.propagandamatrix.com/wtc_tape.mp3

    “Then the South Tower collapsed. I remember standing in front of the window and feeling the ground start to vibrate. It was as though someone had just put a huge sock over our entire building. I mean, it went from that bright crisp morning to just total blackness, and then it felt like an earthquake.
    …There were maybe fifty to one hundred people in the lobby and everyone started running outside. The air was cool and debris was everywhere. It looked like the surface of Mars, all this white sediment and piles of computer paper and pieces of desks and more paper just falling through the air.
    …There was a stench outside. I could feel something very itchy all over me. I pulled my coat over my nose. The air wasn’t black anymore, but it was like a very heavy white fog.” – Michelle Wiley, a New York City musician commenting on her experience of the demolition of the South Tower from her apartment in Gateway Plaza, one block from the WTC. (Never Forget, An Oral History Of September 11th, 2001, Mitchell Fink and Lois Mathias, Regan Books/Harper Collins, 2002: pages 10-11)

    “All of a sudden I hear this sound, a noise like I’ve never heard in my life, the most frightening sound I’ve ever heard, like a thousand helicopters on top of us. And a rumbling like the earth was about to split apart. That was the first tower falling. We live on the eleventh floor, in a loft. Our windows shattered. Smoke started to come in, debris started in come in, and we were completely in darkness.
    …We made it out of the apartment on our stomachs and people were screaming. People had glass in their hair, completely gray, full of soot and bleeding.
    …We couldn’t get out of the building because once you got outside the door you couldn’t see a foot in front of you.
    …The debris was like snow. We saw twisted metal, blood, clothing. I saw a baby carriage. It was like a war and we were refuges.
    …You couldn’t run in this debris. It was like trying to run in the sand.
    …My girlfriend had gotten debris in her eyes and in her throat, so she couldn’t really see for a while because the flakes were so big.” – Spencer Korbin, a New York City writer, commenting on his experience of the demolition of the South Tower from his apartment on Greenwich Street, two blocks from the WTC (Ibid.: pages 12-13)

    “When the second plane went into the building, it just looked like an evil magician’s trick. It looked nothing like what I would have imagined a plane crashing into a building would look like. The plane just completely disappeared and turned into a giant fireball.
    …Coming back across Brooklyn again you could see that the South Tower was already down. The entire lower Manhattan was covered in a giant white dust cloud. And as you came around to the North Tower again, you could still see the people falling and jumping, except it didn’t look so violent anymore because you weren’t watching them hit the ground. It was almost peaceful because they were falling into a white cloud.”
    – Steven Bienkowski, police officer and scuba diver with the Harbor Unit Scuba Team of the New York City Police Department, describing his experience of the destruction of the South Tower as he witnessed it from an NYPD Air Sea Rescue helicopter (Ibid.: page16)

    “We heard this rumbling sound, which was the South Tower collapsing, but we didn’t know that at the time. I thought the elevators were coming down, or part of the building or the plane or something was crashing through the lobby, because it started to fill quickly with debris.
    We ran around a little corner toward 6 World Trade. We pushed everybody around the corner. We actually huddled down at the base of the escalator, the escalator that leads up to 6 World Trade and then to the North Bridge over West Street. But now this whole area, which was brightly lit, became totally black. We stayed there until the rumbling stopped, and we knew we were alive.
    But I thought that it was a localized collapse. I never even suspected that the second tower collapsed.
    …We went across the West Bridge with Jules and an EMS lieutenant. I went back and forth a few times and still didn’t know that the South Tower had collapsed. You couldn’t see it. What you saw was smoke. Many times when you get a big fire, smoke covers the building and you don’t see the building. But you know the building is still there. So when we looked, we were at a bad angle. It was just dust that covered where the building would be.” – Joseph Pfeifer, New York Fire Department Chief, Battalion 1, describing the demolition of the South Tower as he experienced it from the lobby of the North Tower (Ibid.: page 20)

    “…It sounded like another plane was coming in. The firefighter and I just looked at each other and we dropped what we had and started to make our way back toward the firehouse, running down Liberty Street. The sound was deafening. I really thought it was another plane coming. I thought it was a 747 looking to make a landing on Liberty Street.
    …So we ran into the firehouse.
    …The impact of the South Tower collapsing literally picked me up and threw me through the air. I landed face first on the ground and a wave of debris came blowing by me. Things were hitting me, smoke, dirt, dust, and who-the-hell knows what else. It was instant blackness, the thickest, most choking smoke you could imagine. And I thought, ‘I’m in a firehouse…’
    …There were people that were just picked up and blown around by the thing when it came down.
    …Eventually, we got most of the firehouse completely evacuated through the back of the building because the front of it was completely covered in debris.
    When the South Tower came down, I had gotten all kinds of injuries. Later on, when I went to the hospital, I found that I had a concussion, whiplash, smoke inhalation, cuts and bruises, and all kinds of stuff. And that was all just from the impact of the South Tower collapsing.” – Brain Smith, New York Fire Department, Battalion 31, describing his experience of the demolition of the South Tower. (Ibid.: pages 28 & 29)

    “As we were nearing the park, we heard this noise, some people call it a rumble. I heard snapping, a tremendous snapping. I looked back and all I could see was the tsunami wave of dust and debris that was just rolling, and it was going to get us in a second.
    …The wave was just about to get my back. It was ashy, but it was thick. You felt like your face was getting cut.
    …Then I remember seeing a ray of sunshine coming through this dark haze, and I’m thinking, I’m not going to die. I’m going to be okay.
    …My girls in wheelchairs, Becky Zheng and Stephanie Sealy, their stories send chills down your spine. At one point, the paraprofessionals, the classroom assistants responsible for the two girls, literally took them off the wheelchairs because there was so much debris and so much garbage on the road that the wheels wouldn’t turn. They simply put them on their backs and started running with them.” – Ada Rosario-Dolch, Principal of the High School for Leadership and Public Service, describing her experience of the destruction of the South Tower. (Ibid.: pages 39 & 40)

    ‘Breaking News: Third Explosion Shatters World Trade Center in New York.’ – video banner broadcast on TV screens across America and around the world during instant replay of the demolition of the South Tower on CNN on 9/11/01. This can be seen in the DVD “In Plane Site” available from http://www.thepowerhour.com

    THE NORTH TOWER OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER (WTC 1):

    Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “We got down to the lobby and we saw they abandoned the command post. We knew we were in trouble.”

    Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “We came down. It was, it was, it was much worse than it was when we went up. Right? We went up. They had everything set up. We came down. It was desolate.”

    Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “We came down to the lobby. It was like a fucking war zone. There was nobody there. Where the fuck? What do we do? We made it outside. We made it about a block?”

    Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “We made it at least two blocks.”

    Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “Two blocks.”

    Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “…and we started runnin’.”

    Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “Pock, pock, pock, pock, pock, pock, pock, pock!”

    Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “Floor by floor, it started poppin’ out.”

    Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “It was like, it was if, it was as if they had detonated.”

    Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “Yeah, detonated.”

    Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “You know, as if there were a plan to take down a building, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom!”

    Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “All the way down. I was watchin’ it and runnin’.”

    Captain Dennis Tardio, Engine 7 FDNY: “We ran.”

    Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “And then you just saw this cloud of shit chasin’, chasin’ you down.”

    Unknown FDNY fireman, in uniform, but slightly off camera: “Where’d you go?”

    Pat Zoda, Engine 7 FDNY: “You couldn’t out run it. I jumped behind a battalion car. I hid under the car. I was waitin’ to die.”

    – Transcript of a segment of the Naudet brothers’ documentary film “9/11”. This segment was filmed inside the FDNY downtown Manhattan firehouse, housing FDNY Engine 7 and Ladder 1 on September 11th 2001. There are numerous other firefighters in the firehouse, including Nick Borrillo of FDNY Ladder 1, listening as Tardio and Zoda recount what they saw, heard, and felt as the North Tower of the World Trade Center was demolished. ( 9/11, The Filmmakers’ Commemorative DVD Edition, a film by Jules and Gideon Naudet and James Hanlon, 2001 Goldfish Pictures, Inc.)

    “I hear simultaneously this roar and see what appears to be a gigantic fireball rising up at ground level…I remember thinking that the fire and explosion didn’t get us but the smoke will if we don’t get out of here soon.
    …I remember seeing this giant ball of fire come out of the earth as I heard this roar and thinking, ‘Who’s going to explain to my kids that I needed to be at the World Trade Center on this day?’” – Carol Marin, CBS News contributor, describing the demolition of the North Tower. (Op Cit., Newseum: pages 119 & 239)

    “The reporters were trying to figure out what had happened. We were thinking bombs had brought the buildings down. The mayor talked to us and said he had no evidence of bombs.” – Beth Fertig, WNYC radio reporter, commenting on events at New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s command center after the demolitions of both of the Twin Towers. (Ibid.: 203.)

    “We never thought the other building was going to fall. And then all of a sudden we heard this rumbling and then some guy screams, “Run!” We turn around and it was like being in a monster movie. We’re just shooting through this alley of buildings, and it was right on our tail. We ran as fast as we could. Fortunately, we were younger than a lot of people out there, and I guess in better shape. Some of the people we were walking with were just left there. We saw them being knocked over by debris. On television it looked like just a cloud of smoke. But it was monitors and desks and chairs, flying through the air, pieces of metal
    …Then we were taken to Staten Island Hospital, my girlfriend and myself. These guys in white shoes and bioterrorism suits came out to meet us. They waved and said, “Where are you guys coming from?”
    We said, “Manhattan. We were in the Trade Center incident.”
    They waved us to another area and made us take off all our clothing. They showered us down in public, no clothes. They didn’t want our clothes in the hospital. We were naked, both of us. There were a couple of other naked people. They tried to cordon us off. They were so terrified that it was chemical warfare. They burnt our clothes. Our clothes were gone. Our shoes, her boots, whatever we were wearing. Our ID and credit cards were decontaminated for us. I never saw anybody talk about this on the news.
    Then they brought us in as though we were lepers.
    …When the second building fell, stuff just flew out of our apartment.
    …When we tried to get back into the building, our building was a crime scene. They found body parts on terraces. They found a torso in a plane seat on our roof. Our building was one of the last buildings to be reopened. They had to reface it, decontaminate it, and of course put in all new windows. There was a luncheonette that we’d eat at in the morning, a block north from my apartment. It was completely destroyed, completely blown out, and I’m sure the place was full of people.”
    -Spencer Korbin, a New York City writer, commenting on his experience of the demolition of the North Tower from outside his apartment on Greenwich Street, two blocks from the WTC and his experiences thereafter. (Never Forget, An Oral History Of September 11th, 2001, Mitchell Fink and Lois Mathias, Regan Books/Harper Collins, 2002: pages 13 and 14)

    “As we were coming around to the North Tower, I said, ‘Oh, my God, it looks like it’s tilting.’ It came down a couple of minutes afterward, completely straight down, like a deck of cards.
    The entire thickness of the cloud of dust was like nothing you’ve ever seen…” – Steven Bienkowski, police officer and scuba diver with the Harbor Unit Scuba Team of the New York City Police Department, describing his experience of the destruction of the North Tower as he witnessed it from an NYPD Air Sea Rescue helicopter (Ibid.: page16)

    “ We were only out there a few minutes when we heard a loud rumbling sound, almost like a train if you’re standing underneath an overpass. And somebody yelled, “The building’s coming down. Run.”
    …And then I heard all the crashing and the steel and now the street goes completely black. As a firefighter you kind of expect blackness inside of a burning building. But outside in broad daylight, you don’t.” – Joseph Pfeifer, New York Fire Department Chief, Battalion 1, describing the demolition of the North Tower as he experienced it from outdoors at the WTC complex. (Ibid.: page 21)

    “And just when we were getting ready to do our last run through the building, my partner, another firefighter, and I started to hear that sound again. It sounded like another plane coming in. At this point it seemed like all these planes forgot where La Guardia Airport was. Everybody was looking to make a landing. I had no idea what had really happened. I just thought they were planes. I didn’t know until after I left Manhattan that the towers even came down. I just thought that 747s were landing all over the place. I honestly thought that a plane landed on Liberty Street in front of the firehouse, and that by some miracle I survived it.
    We got up and after a few more scares we were able to pick our way through the back of the firehouse. That’s where Fu was.
    …We carried him about two blocks south to Rector Street. Everything was on fire, smoke everywhere, and it was just complete bedlam. It looked like a war zone.” – Brain Smith, New York Fire Department, Battalion 31, describing his experience of the demolition of the North Tower. (Ibid. page 29)

    “The North Tower was still burning out of control. Even at that point, it wasn’t on my mind that the other tower would come down. I never even thought about it. I was just focused on these guys. We got to the north pedestrian bridge and I remember hearing a noise like thunder. I hear it in my nightmares all the time. I never forget. I just looked up and you could see the antenna on top of the North Tower moving, and you knew it was coming down. There was no time to scream. If you hesitated, you were dead. There were about ten people in the area where we were. Only three of us made it out alive. I started running. I dropped everything I had. The gush of air that came down with the building picked me up and literally threw me through the air, almost like Peter Pan.
    I landed not too far from the truck that I had responded in. Something told me to crawl underneath that truck. That’s where I ended up. I couldn’t hear anything. I remember screaming for Danny, and every time I’d breath in it was as if my head was stuck in sand.
    …and I just started digging. I don’t know how long I was under the truck before I figured this out, but I started crawling my way out of there, digging through the rocks and debris. Just as I got out, a fireman who had been lodged in the debris had gotten himself out.
    …People started calling out, ‘Is anybody out there?’ We went toward their voices. It was a deli owner and his wife. They pulled us in their deli. About six or seven cops and some firemen were already in there, all variously injured and having a hard time breathing. They had taken a hose out of the kitchen to clean everybody off. I had first-degree burns on every part of my skin that was exposed. Stuff started exploding outside the store. One of the cops thought that it might be secondary explosions. When terrorists do this sort of thing, they’ll put secondary bombs around to kill rescue workers. That’s an earmark of terrorism. And at that point you didn’t know what to believe. Everybody had lost all concept of what was going on, and everything was up for grabs. For all we knew, they had attacked all of Manhattan.
    …I keep going to the doctors and they keep doing blood work. I still have very severe muscle cramps. Everybody still has shortness of breath, and ear, and mouth infections. I’ve actually lost a couple of teeth and they can’t figure out why.
    …Hopefully it will get better. But the doctors don’t really have answers about what was inhaled that day. God knows what was in all that stuff, the levels of trace metals and asbestos and mercury, the gas from the air-conditioning units and mercury from the light bulbs. Nobody really knows.
    I told health services, ‘You know, I lost two teeth. They just fell out.’
    They said, ‘Well, you should see your dentist.’
    I said, ‘No, you don’t understand. My teeth just fell out of my head. There’s got to be a reason.’” – Gary Smiley, FDNY Battalion 31 Paramedic, describing his experience of the destruction of the North Tower. (Ibid. pages 34 & 35)

    “We have another report now, of a fourth explosion at the Trade Center…
    …It almost looks like one of those implosions of buildings that you see.”-Aaron Brown, CNN anchor NewsNight, in two clips broadcast live on 9/11/01. The first is either before or during the demolition of the North Tower. The second is during a replay of footage of the demolition of the North Tower. Both can be seen in the DVD ‘In Plane Site”, which is available from http://www.thepowerhour.com

    BOTH OF THE TWIN TOWERS (WTC 1 & 2):

    “You have two 110 story office buildings. You don’t find a desk. You don’t find a chair. You don’t find a telephone, a computer. The biggest piece of a telephone I found was half of the keypad and it was about this big (hold his fingers approximately 21/2 to 3 inches apart). The building collapsed to dust! How are we supposed to find anybody in this, that there’s nothing left of the building.” – Joe Casaliggi, Engine 7 FDNY, in an interview conducted for and included in the Naudet brothers’ documentary, “9/11”. ( 9/11, The Filmmakers’ Commemorative DVD Edition, a film by Jules and Gideon Naudet and James Hanlon, 2001 Goldfish Pictures, Inc.)

    “There was smoke everywhere. I heard the bomb and saw both buildings crumble like biscuits.”- Nadine Keller, WTC demolition eyewitness. From: Eyewitnesses Tell of Horror, BBC, September 11 2001; online at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1537500.stm

    “The collapse of the buildings appears ‘too methodical’ to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures, said Van Romero, vice president for research at New Mexico Institute for Mining and Technology.
    ‘My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse,’ Romero said.” – Olivier Uyttebrouck, Explosives Planted In Towers, NM Tech Expert Says, Albuquerque Journal, 9/11/01; available online at http://propagandamatrix.com/Fire_Not_Extra_Explosives_Doomed_Buildings_Expert_Says.htm

    “Conspiracy theorists have seized on Mr. Romero’s comments as evidence for their argument that someone else, possibly the U.S. government, was behind the attack on the Trade Center.
    Romero said he has been bombarded with electronic mail from the conspiracy theorists.
    ‘I’m very upset about that,’ he said.’I’m not trying to say anything did or didn’t happen.’” – John Fleck, in a follow up to the previous article on Van Romero titled, Fire, Not Extra Explosives, Doomed Buildings, Expert Says, Albuquerque Journal, 9/21/01; available online at http://propagandamatrix.com/Fire_Not_Extra_Explosives_Doomed_Buildings_Expert_Says.htm

    “A lead engineer who designed the World Trade Center expressed shock that the towers collapsed after being hit by passenger jets.
    ‘I designed it for a 707 to hit it,’ Lee Robertson, the project’s structural engineer said. The Boeing 707 has a fuel capacity of more than 23,000 gallons, comparable to the 767’s 23,980-gallon fuel capacity.
    Another architect of the WTC, Aaron Swirski, lives in Israel and spoke to Jerusalem Post Radio after the attack: ’It was designed around that eventuality to survive this kind of attack.’ he said.
    Hyman Brown, a University of Colorado civil engineering professor and the World Trade Center’s construction manager, watched in confusion as the towers came down. ‘It was over-designed to withstand almost anything, including hurricanes, high winds, bombings, and an airplane hitting it.’ He said.” – Christopher Bollyn, Eyewitness Reports Persist Of Bombs At WTC Collapse, American Free Press, 12/02/01; archived online at http://www.rense.com/general17/eyewitnessreportspersist.htm

    “So we kept walking, sort of around the disaster area, trudging through this snow like substance. There was pieces of their desks and pieces of the photos on their desks and their Rolexes and documents. There was a resume from a kid that had gone to my college, who was applying for a job to work in the World Trade Center. It was very much like a weird movie, like, you know, ‘The Day After’, like a nuclear accident or a nuclear winter. It didn’t make any sense.” – Rose Arce, CNN producer describing the devastation following the demolitions of the Twin Towers, in an interview conducted for the CNN documentary, America Remembers. (CNN Tribute: America Remembers: The Events of September 11 and America’s Response {Commemorative Edition} [DVD])

    – u“ In the area of where the blast occurred from the commercial jetliners, it’s like a nuclear winter, ash, soot piled on top of cars three inches deep.” – Unknown male announcer or journalist, describing Ground Zero on 9/12/01 (Ibid.)

    WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING 7 (WTC 7):

    CBS News anchor Dan Rather: “A large building, in most other cities it would be one of the largest buildings in town probably, Trade Center building 7 has collapsed. Now here were gonna show you a videotape of the collapse it’s self. Now here we go to videotape, the collapse of this building.”

    Unknown male voice at CBS: “It’s amazing.”

    CBS News anchor Dan Rather: “Amazing, incredible pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.”

    -Transcript of live CBS News broadcast on 9/11/01 in which Dan Rather comments on what he sees as he watches videotape of the demolition of WTC building 7. This video clip can be seen in Alex Jones documentary video ‘Police State III: Total Enslavement’, available from http://www.infowars.com

    “I remember getting a call from, uh, the Fire Department Commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire. I said, ‘you know we’ve had such a terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.” – Transcript of PBS interview with WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein, delivering an explanation of unknown authenticity, as to how and why the decision was made to demolish WTC Building 7. (Originally broadcast on PBS, September 2003)

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    More 9/11 WTC Eyewitness Accounts Consistent With Controlled Demolition:

    Explosive Testimony:
    Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories
    By David Ray Griffin

    http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192

    Eyewitnesses Recalled Explosions, No Alarms or Sprinklers:
    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/eyewitnesses.html
    United in Courage:
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/people.html
    9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby:
    http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html

    A Resident’s View

    By Ron J. Berard

    http://www.musarium.com/stories/america-attacked/berard/index.html

    9/11:Allen Ruch:

    http://www.themodernword.com/091101.html

    Eyewitness Reports of Explosions Before WTC Collapses:

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/eyewitness.html

    Eyewitness Reports Persist

    Of
    Bombs At WTC Collapse
    By Christopher Bollyn
    Exclusive to American Free Press
    12-2-1

    http://www.rense.com/general17/eyewitnessreportspersist.htm

    William Frankenstein

    Student in his junior year at Stuyvesant High School

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/americas/2001/day_of_terror/eyewitness/9.stm

    WTC Workers and 9/11 Eyewitnesses Coming Forward about Bombs:

    http://www.vocaboly.com/forums/ftopic6923.html

    NYFD fire fighter Louie Cacchioli in People Magazine:

    http://propagandamatrix.com/louie_cacchioli.htm

    NIST’S WTC FIRE TEST PROVES NOTHING:

    http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=735

    AMERICAN FREE PRESS:

    http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_22_01/Some_Survivors_Say__Bombs_Expl/some_survivors_say__bombs_expl.html

    NBC: FDNY Chief of Safety Reported Bombs Both Within the Towers and on the Planes on 9/11 http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/050504bombsinwtc.htm

    When The Explosives Were Placed: WTC South Tower Upper Floors Closed on 9/8 & 9/9

    http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/1691636.php

    http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042304explosivesplaced.htm

    9/11 Firefighter Observes: “The Building Collapsed to Dust”

    http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/051404collapsedtodust.htm

    CBS News Channel Eyewitness Describes ‘Secondary Explosions’ in the WTC http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042704secondaryexplosions.htm

    New York Firefighters Discuss Bombs in WTC Towers

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/032404firefightersdiscuss.html

    Update: World Trade Center 7 Imploded by Silverstein, FDNY and Others

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html

    Geronimo Jones WTC Eyewitness:

    http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=13

    Justice for Children International

    A great organization that works to stop child sex slavery:

    http://jfci.org/

    Prescription: Suicide?

    A film by Robert Manciero

    http://www.prescriptionsuicide.com/

    Gulags for American Citizens in Final Planning Stages?
    Halliburton sex slave trade criminals prepare camps for political dissidents:

    http://infowars.com/articles/ps/gulags_for_american_citizens_in_final_stages.htm

    Judicial Watch Files Lawsuit against Defense Department for Withholding Video of 9/11 Attack on Pentagon, DOD has “no legal basis” to refuse release of videotapes: http://www.judicialwatch.org/5724.shtml

    Experts Call For Release of 9/11 Evidence:

    http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/PressRelease28Feb2006.html

    http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/experts_call_for_release_of_911_evidence.htm

    Study Shows Decline in Neurodevelopmental Disorders after Removal of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines:

    http://infowars.com/articles/science/vaccines_study_decline_disorders_remove_thimersol.htm

    Bill Clinton advised Dubai as Hillary criticizes its US ports deal:

    http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/7000%2F20060302%2F1310000006.htm&sc=uswashrpt

    Cancer chemical found in drinks

    Traces of a cancer-causing chemical have been found in

    British soft drinks at eight times the level permitted in drinking water,

    BBC News has learned.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4763528.stm

    Millions given to tsunami ‘sitting in UN bank accounts’:

    http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/02/ntsun02.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/03/02/ixhome.html

    New Study: Declining Autism Cases Tied to Removal of Mercury from Vaccines, Study Shows Decline in Neurodevelopmental Disorders
    After Removal of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines:

    http://capwiz.com/a-champ/issues/alert/?alertid=8519116&queueid=633765701

    N.J. Nurse Gets Multiple Life Terms:

    http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20060302/1324444055.htm&floc=NW_1-T

    Italian Panel: Soviets behind Pope Attack:

    http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=hp-tos-news-h-04&floc=FF-APO-1103&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20060302%2F1255441595.htm&sc=1103

    US troops say seize 61 al Qaeda in Iraq members:

    http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=hp-tos-news-h-05&floc=ne-us-12-l14&flok=FF-RTO-rontz&idq=/ff/story/0002%2F20060302%2F1234441175.htm&sc=rontz

    Pentagon develops brain implants to turn sharks into military spies:

    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article348700.ece

    Why Americans Know More about The Simpsons Than The Constitution
    And why it is a benchmark of how much danger we are in

    http://infowars.com/articles/us/first_amendment_americans_know_more_about_simpsons.htm

    THE HUNT FOR SECRET GLOBAL MEETING IS ON, AFP’S JIM TUCKER BEGINS QUEST FOR BILDERBERG: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/secret_global_meeting.html

    Porton Down human experiments:

    http://infowars.com/articles/ps/porton_down_human_experiments.htm

    Democrats Want Independent Katrina Probe

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/K/KATRINA_VIDEO?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-03-01-18-15-10

    AOL accused of planning ‘two-tier’ internet

    http://news.ft.com/cms/s/7a358db2-a8a9-11da-aeeb-0000779e2340.html

    Aleksandr I.Solzhenitsyn. Words of Warning to the Western World: http://lib.ru/PROZA/SOLZHENICYN/s_word_engl.txt

    Secrets of the Dead Baby Industry – Aborted fetuses are being dissected alive, harvested and sold in pieces to fuel a vast research enterprise: http://www.interlife.org/secrets.html

    Feds to Fine Protesters for Gitmo March:
    http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=2786

    Fla. Killer Asks Judge to Spare His Life

    http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20060214/1311301718.htm

    Texas Mom Enters Plea in Baby’s Death

    http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20060214%2F0420256004.htm&sc=1110

    US launches Internet freedom task force

    http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=ne-us-12-l8&flok=FF-AFP-uswashrpt&idq=/ff/story/7000%2F20060214%2F1515000006.htm&sc=uswashrpt

    Feds License Nuke Dump on Utah Reservation

    http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=ne-us-12-l3&flok=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20060214%2F1522309646.htm&sc=1110

    CIA chief sacked for opposing torture
    Sarah Baxter and Michael Smith, Washington

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C2089-2036182%2C00.html

    Ex-Playmate Reveals Playboy Mansion Secrets

    http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=104920

    UN inquiry demands immediate closure of Guantanamo
    By Con Coughlin, Defense and Security Editor in New York

    http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/13/wguan13.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/13/ixnewstop.html

    Google Copies Your Hard Drive – Government Smiles in Anticipation
    Consumers Should Not Use New Google Desktop

    http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2006_02.php#004400

    Homeland Security wraps up first mock cyber attack
    By Anne Broache, CNET News.com

    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6038082.html

    Report: Pennsylvania ‘patriot’
    tried to blow up oil pipelines
    Federal agents think American sought to wreck U.S. economy with al-Qaeda

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48792

    Syria switches to euro amid confrontation with US

    http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-02-13T153028Z_01_L13432231_RTRUKOC_0_US-SYRIA-US-FOREX.xml&rpc=22

    Bush Sells ‘Major Control of 6 US Ports To Arab Firm

    http://infowars.com/articles/us/bush_sells_control_of_6_us_ports_to_arab_firm.htm

    Annan prepares for privatization of UN

    http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Stories.aspx?Annan%20prepares%20for%20privatisation%20of%20UN&StoryID=523E5488-44AB-4751-8EEB-171844A8CC44&SectionID=F3B76EF0-7991-4389-B72E-D07EB5AA1CEE

    After Shootings at Office, Mexican Paper Says No More ‘Drug’ Probes

    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001958991

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    FREE
    Leonard Peltier!

    Political Prisoner held for 30 years by U.S. government

    A Hearing has been scheduled for February 13, 2006 to correct the illegal sentencing that occurred in Leonard Peltier’s case. The basis for this motion is that the United States District Court lacked subject matter jurisdiction under the statutes upon which Mr. Peltier was convicted and sentenced.

    Leonard Peltier is a citizen of the Anishinabe and Dakota/Lakota Nations who has been unjustly imprisoned since 1976, even though government attorneys and courts acknowledge that the government withheld evidence, fabricated evidence, and coerced witnesses to fraudulently convict him. Leonard is recognized worldwide as a political prisoner and a symbol of resistance against the abuse and repression of indigenous people. To many Indigenous Peoples, Leonard Peltier is a symbol of the long history of abuse and repression they have endured.

    This year marks the 30th year of Leonard’s imprisonment. Despite the fact that the government has admitted that the trial was a fraud, Leonard is still behind bars because the U.S. doesn’t want this vocal defender of indigenous rights to be free.

    Call or Fax the Federal Court in St. Louis:

    Thomas F. Eagleton United States Courthouse
    111 South 10th Street
    St. Louis, MO 63102
    Phone (314) 244-2600
    FAX (314) 244-2605

    for more information about Leonard Peltier’s case and how you can help go to:

    http://leonardpeltier.org

    or

    http://www.myspace.com/freepeltier

    Sign these petitions for Peltier:

    http://www.petitiononline.com/balpsg01/petition.html

    http://www.petitiononline.com/comerade/

    Make a financial contribution to Leonard’s legal defense team:

    http://leonardpeltier.org/fundraising.htm

    Write to the authorities demanding Leonard’s release:

    http://leonardpeltier.org/takeaction.htm

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    Stop the sexual abuse of children. Read this article and take action!

    The Incest Loophole

    By Andrew Vachss
    Originally published in The New York Times Op-Ed, November 20, 2005

    http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/nyt-11202005.html

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    Hands Off Our Internet!

    COMMON CAUSE, Holding Power Accountable

    http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=1386967

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    Homeland Security Gives Halliburton Subsidiary, Kellogg Brown & Root $385 Million to Build Detention Centers:

    KBR Awarded U.S. Department of Homeland Security Contingency Support Project for Emergency Support Services
    Tuesday January 24, 12:03 pm ET http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060124/20060124005819.html?.v=1

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    New Poll Finds About Half of All Iraqis Back Attacks on Americans
    By E&P Staff
    Published: January 31, 2006 2:40 PM ET

    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001921447

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    AT&T calls for end to free internet
    ”People should pay for the use of our pipes”

    By Nick Farrell: Wednesday 01 February 2006, 07:24

    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29398

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    Slave Labor: Made In USA (Excerpt):

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_3116.shtml

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    AT&T Sued over NSA spy program:

    http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6033501.html?part=rss&tag=6033501&subj=news

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    What Really Happened

    By Cindy Sheehan

    Truthout.com

    Wednesday 01 February 2006

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020106Z.shtml

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    Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

    UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA
    James Fetzer (PRWEB) – Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060130/bs_prweb/prweb339303_5

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    In memory of Coretta Scott King, plaintiff in the REAL “Trial Of The Century”:

    “According to a Memphis jury’s verdict on December 8, 1999, in the wrongful death lawsuit of the King family versus Loyd Jowers “and other unknown co-conspirators,” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated by a conspiracy that included agencies of his own government. Almost 32 years after King’s murder at the Lorraine Motel in Memphis on April 4, 1968, a court extended the circle of responsibility for the assassination beyond the late scapegoat James Earl Ray to the United States government.”

    The Martin Luther King Conspiracy Exposed In Memphis

    by Jim Douglass,

    Spring 2000, Probe Magazine

    Click: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/MLKconExp.html

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    RECOMMENDED VIDEO: A message from the Iraqi insurgency, for the American people http://attackfromwithin.org/docs/base.php

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  • inkonkoni

    You know what I think the problem is here… too much information. there is not one person able to get the whole story into 500 words, and that’s what the print media are looking for. One expert with credence who can put it all down with conscise authority.

  • inkonkoni

    You know what I think the problem is here… too much information. there is not one person able to get the whole story into 500 words, and that’s what the print media are looking for. One expert with credence who can put it all down with conscise authority.

  • inkonkoni

    You know what I think the problem is here… too much information. there is not one person able to get the whole story into 500 words, and that’s what the print media are looking for. One expert with credence who can put it all down with conscise authority.

  • inkonkoni

    You know what I think the problem is here… too much information. there is not one person able to get the whole story into 500 words, and that’s what the print media are looking for. One expert with credence who can put it all down with conscise authority.

  • jeff111

    P.S. you say you have looked at a lot of the evidence.
    Why don’t you tell us what evidence you have looked at?
    Have you seen Professor Griffin’s talk?
    Have you seen 9/11 Revisited?
    If so, what specific facts from those presentations do you have a problem with?

  • jeff111

    P.S. you say you have looked at a lot of the evidence.
    Why don’t you tell us what evidence you have looked at?
    Have you seen Professor Griffin’s talk?
    Have you seen 9/11 Revisited?
    If so, what specific facts from those presentations do you have a problem with?

  • jeff111

    P.S. you say you have looked at a lot of the evidence.
    Why don’t you tell us what evidence you have looked at?
    Have you seen Professor Griffin’s talk?
    Have you seen 9/11 Revisited?
    If so, what specific facts from those presentations do you have a problem with?

  • jeff111

    P.S. you say you have looked at a lot of the evidence.
    Why don’t you tell us what evidence you have looked at?
    Have you seen Professor Griffin’s talk?
    Have you seen 9/11 Revisited?
    If so, what specific facts from those presentations do you have a problem with?

  • jeff111

    http://www.justicefor911.org/press.php

    9/11 Families and Survivors Group File
    Expanded Complaint Urging New Spitzer-led
    Investigations into 9/11

    New York, NY (October 28, 2004) – Today a group of 9/11 victim family representatives, survivors and first responders files an updated 35-page Complaint and Petition with New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. Chief Investigator William Casey accepted the original Complaint/Petition from the Complainants on October 28th. In a call for truth and accountability, the Complaint demands that the AG open a criminal inquiry and/or grand jury investigation into the many still unsolved crimes of September 11, 2001 over which his office has jurisdiction. Co-complainant Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son in the attacks, said this is now absolutely necessary so that “justice is finally done.”

    The group which operates under a “Justice for 9/11″ banner is posting the Complaint online at http://www.Justicefor911.org where those who wish to express their support can sign an electronic petition. “In essence the Complaint calls for criminal and civil probes into previously suppressed or ignored areas of inquiry identified by victim family members and others who have formally posed many questions to Congress, the 9/11 Commission, the FBI and other government agencies. Most of these questions have still not been addressed, let alone answered. There’s been zero accountability and full story behind 9/11 has yet to be told,” said Kyle F. Hence, spokesperson for the Steering Committee which will be announcing a Press Conference and further steps later next week.

    The lead complainants who are seeking a meeting with lawyers at the AG’s office currently include Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son Robert in the World Trade Center collapse; Patricia Perry, who lost her son John, a New York City Police officer; Donna Marsh O’Connor who lost her daughter Vanessa Langer; William Rodriguez, a WTC maintenance worker and rescue effort hero; Jenna Orkin, Chairwoman of the World Trade Center Environmental Organization; Dr. Faiz Khan, Ground Zero triage physician; and EMT first responder, Megan Bartlett, founder of Ground Zero for Peace (who was recently hospitalized with malignant reactions to toxic WTC dust).

    The resubmission of the Complaint follows a number of significant recent developments including statements by WTC rescue workers that 3 “black box” flight recorders were found at Ground Zero (in direct contradiction to the 9/11Commission Report); the November 16th firing of whistleblower Kevin Ryan* from Underwriters Laboratories for publicly challenging the preliminary conclusions of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigation of the World Trade Center collapses; and this week’s family member protests of NIST’s decision to hold most of its November 22nd Gaithersberg, Maryland hearings in secrecy.

    The Complaint and its detailed evidentiary appendices are based upon years of independent research and investigation. Its legal form was triggered by three recent events: 1) the failure of the Kean Commission Report to provide a credible explanation of the 9/11 tragedies, to hold anyone accountable, or answer most of the questions posed by the 9/11 Family Steering Committee; 2) the August 30th Zogby 9/11 poll which showed that nearly half of NYC citizens believe government officials were “consciously” complicit in the attacks, and that two-thirds want a new investigation; and 3) the testimony and evidence put forth at the September 9, 2004 9/11 Citizens’ Commission hearings in Manhattan, organized by the watchdog and activist groups 9/11 CitizensWatch and 911truth.org.

    The Complaint is also bolstered by the October 26th “9/11 Truth Statement” released by 911truth.org which calls for new and deeper investigations.

  • jeff111

    http://www.justicefor911.org/press.php

    9/11 Families and Survivors Group File
    Expanded Complaint Urging New Spitzer-led
    Investigations into 9/11

    New York, NY (October 28, 2004) – Today a group of 9/11 victim family representatives, survivors and first responders files an updated 35-page Complaint and Petition with New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. Chief Investigator William Casey accepted the original Complaint/Petition from the Complainants on October 28th. In a call for truth and accountability, the Complaint demands that the AG open a criminal inquiry and/or grand jury investigation into the many still unsolved crimes of September 11, 2001 over which his office has jurisdiction. Co-complainant Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son in the attacks, said this is now absolutely necessary so that “justice is finally done.”

    The group which operates under a “Justice for 9/11″ banner is posting the Complaint online at http://www.Justicefor911.org where those who wish to express their support can sign an electronic petition. “In essence the Complaint calls for criminal and civil probes into previously suppressed or ignored areas of inquiry identified by victim family members and others who have formally posed many questions to Congress, the 9/11 Commission, the FBI and other government agencies. Most of these questions have still not been addressed, let alone answered. There’s been zero accountability and full story behind 9/11 has yet to be told,” said Kyle F. Hence, spokesperson for the Steering Committee which will be announcing a Press Conference and further steps later next week.

    The lead complainants who are seeking a meeting with lawyers at the AG’s office currently include Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son Robert in the World Trade Center collapse; Patricia Perry, who lost her son John, a New York City Police officer; Donna Marsh O’Connor who lost her daughter Vanessa Langer; William Rodriguez, a WTC maintenance worker and rescue effort hero; Jenna Orkin, Chairwoman of the World Trade Center Environmental Organization; Dr. Faiz Khan, Ground Zero triage physician; and EMT first responder, Megan Bartlett, founder of Ground Zero for Peace (who was recently hospitalized with malignant reactions to toxic WTC dust).

    The resubmission of the Complaint follows a number of significant recent developments including statements by WTC rescue workers that 3 “black box” flight recorders were found at Ground Zero (in direct contradiction to the 9/11Commission Report); the November 16th firing of whistleblower Kevin Ryan* from Underwriters Laboratories for publicly challenging the preliminary conclusions of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigation of the World Trade Center collapses; and this week’s family member protests of NIST’s decision to hold most of its November 22nd Gaithersberg, Maryland hearings in secrecy.

    The Complaint and its detailed evidentiary appendices are based upon years of independent research and investigation. Its legal form was triggered by three recent events: 1) the failure of the Kean Commission Report to provide a credible explanation of the 9/11 tragedies, to hold anyone accountable, or answer most of the questions posed by the 9/11 Family Steering Committee; 2) the August 30th Zogby 9/11 poll which showed that nearly half of NYC citizens believe government officials were “consciously” complicit in the attacks, and that two-thirds want a new investigation; and 3) the testimony and evidence put forth at the September 9, 2004 9/11 Citizens’ Commission hearings in Manhattan, organized by the watchdog and activist groups 9/11 CitizensWatch and 911truth.org.

    The Complaint is also bolstered by the October 26th “9/11 Truth Statement” released by 911truth.org which calls for new and deeper investigations.

  • jeff111

    http://www.justicefor911.org/press.php

    9/11 Families and Survivors Group File
    Expanded Complaint Urging New Spitzer-led
    Investigations into 9/11

    New York, NY (October 28, 2004) – Today a group of 9/11 victim family representatives, survivors and first responders files an updated 35-page Complaint and Petition with New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. Chief Investigator William Casey accepted the original Complaint/Petition from the Complainants on October 28th. In a call for truth and accountability, the Complaint demands that the AG open a criminal inquiry and/or grand jury investigation into the many still unsolved crimes of September 11, 2001 over which his office has jurisdiction. Co-complainant Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son in the attacks, said this is now absolutely necessary so that “justice is finally done.”

    The group which operates under a “Justice for 9/11″ banner is posting the Complaint online at http://www.Justicefor911.org where those who wish to express their support can sign an electronic petition. “In essence the Complaint calls for criminal and civil probes into previously suppressed or ignored areas of inquiry identified by victim family members and others who have formally posed many questions to Congress, the 9/11 Commission, the FBI and other government agencies. Most of these questions have still not been addressed, let alone answered. There’s been zero accountability and full story behind 9/11 has yet to be told,” said Kyle F. Hence, spokesperson for the Steering Committee which will be announcing a Press Conference and further steps later next week.

    The lead complainants who are seeking a meeting with lawyers at the AG’s office currently include Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son Robert in the World Trade Center collapse; Patricia Perry, who lost her son John, a New York City Police officer; Donna Marsh O’Connor who lost her daughter Vanessa Langer; William Rodriguez, a WTC maintenance worker and rescue effort hero; Jenna Orkin, Chairwoman of the World Trade Center Environmental Organization; Dr. Faiz Khan, Ground Zero triage physician; and EMT first responder, Megan Bartlett, founder of Ground Zero for Peace (who was recently hospitalized with malignant reactions to toxic WTC dust).

    The resubmission of the Complaint follows a number of significant recent developments including statements by WTC rescue workers that 3 “black box” flight recorders were found at Ground Zero (in direct contradiction to the 9/11Commission Report); the November 16th firing of whistleblower Kevin Ryan* from Underwriters Laboratories for publicly challenging the preliminary conclusions of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigation of the World Trade Center collapses; and this week’s family member protests of NIST’s decision to hold most of its November 22nd Gaithersberg, Maryland hearings in secrecy.

    The Complaint and its detailed evidentiary appendices are based upon years of independent research and investigation. Its legal form was triggered by three recent events: 1) the failure of the Kean Commission Report to provide a credible explanation of the 9/11 tragedies, to hold anyone accountable, or answer most of the questions posed by the 9/11 Family Steering Committee; 2) the August 30th Zogby 9/11 poll which showed that nearly half of NYC citizens believe government officials were “consciously” complicit in the attacks, and that two-thirds want a new investigation; and 3) the testimony and evidence put forth at the September 9, 2004 9/11 Citizens’ Commission hearings in Manhattan, organized by the watchdog and activist groups 9/11 CitizensWatch and 911truth.org.

    The Complaint is also bolstered by the October 26th “9/11 Truth Statement” released by 911truth.org which calls for new and deeper investigations.

  • jeff111

    http://www.justicefor911.org/press.php

    9/11 Families and Survivors Group File
    Expanded Complaint Urging New Spitzer-led
    Investigations into 9/11

    New York, NY (October 28, 2004) – Today a group of 9/11 victim family representatives, survivors and first responders files an updated 35-page Complaint and Petition with New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. Chief Investigator William Casey accepted the original Complaint/Petition from the Complainants on October 28th. In a call for truth and accountability, the Complaint demands that the AG open a criminal inquiry and/or grand jury investigation into the many still unsolved crimes of September 11, 2001 over which his office has jurisdiction. Co-complainant Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son in the attacks, said this is now absolutely necessary so that “justice is finally done.”

    The group which operates under a “Justice for 9/11″ banner is posting the Complaint online at http://www.Justicefor911.org where those who wish to express their support can sign an electronic petition. “In essence the Complaint calls for criminal and civil probes into previously suppressed or ignored areas of inquiry identified by victim family members and others who have formally posed many questions to Congress, the 9/11 Commission, the FBI and other government agencies. Most of these questions have still not been addressed, let alone answered. There’s been zero accountability and full story behind 9/11 has yet to be told,” said Kyle F. Hence, spokesperson for the Steering Committee which will be announcing a Press Conference and further steps later next week.

    The lead complainants who are seeking a meeting with lawyers at the AG’s office currently include Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son Robert in the World Trade Center collapse; Patricia Perry, who lost her son John, a New York City Police officer; Donna Marsh O’Connor who lost her daughter Vanessa Langer; William Rodriguez, a WTC maintenance worker and rescue effort hero; Jenna Orkin, Chairwoman of the World Trade Center Environmental Organization; Dr. Faiz Khan, Ground Zero triage physician; and EMT first responder, Megan Bartlett, founder of Ground Zero for Peace (who was recently hospitalized with malignant reactions to toxic WTC dust).

    The resubmission of the Complaint follows a number of significant recent developments including statements by WTC rescue workers that 3 “black box” flight recorders were found at Ground Zero (in direct contradiction to the 9/11Commission Report); the November 16th firing of whistleblower Kevin Ryan* from Underwriters Laboratories for publicly challenging the preliminary conclusions of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigation of the World Trade Center collapses; and this week’s family member protests of NIST’s decision to hold most of its November 22nd Gaithersberg, Maryland hearings in secrecy.

    The Complaint and its detailed evidentiary appendices are based upon years of independent research and investigation. Its legal form was triggered by three recent events: 1) the failure of the Kean Commission Report to provide a credible explanation of the 9/11 tragedies, to hold anyone accountable, or answer most of the questions posed by the 9/11 Family Steering Committee; 2) the August 30th Zogby 9/11 poll which showed that nearly half of NYC citizens believe government officials were “consciously” complicit in the attacks, and that two-thirds want a new investigation; and 3) the testimony and evidence put forth at the September 9, 2004 9/11 Citizens’ Commission hearings in Manhattan, organized by the watchdog and activist groups 9/11 CitizensWatch and 911truth.org.

    The Complaint is also bolstered by the October 26th “9/11 Truth Statement” released by 911truth.org which calls for new and deeper investigations.

  • jeff111

    Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 ‘Bribe’
    Ignore Deadline for Compensation

    by Tim Harper

    WASHINGTON—For some, it’s blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

    For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    But as many as 73 families see the process of U.S. government compensation as an attempt to protect those who should be held accountable for what they believe was mass murder.

    They ignored a midnight deadline last night, their last chance to apply for government cash.

    And today, they begin a new stage in an arduous odyssey and will sue their government, airlines and state and local authorities.

    “This may be uncharted waters, but I was thrown in a pool on Sept. 11, 2001 and had to learn to swim,” said Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband Richard in the World Trade Center attack.

    “I am doing this for my husband. He was a gentle man, and he was alive, trying to get out of that building that day. The dead. The dying. The smoke. The terror. No one should have suffered like that. I want accountability. I need answers.”

    The compensation fund has been controversial since President George W. Bush signed it into law 13 days after the attacks. For those who lost family members, it was always about protecting airlines, federal, state and local authorities from billions of dollars of lawsuits.

    To receive the federal money, recipients must sign a waiver giving up their right to sue anyone involved in the worst terrorist attacks in U.S. history.

    A late surge of claims on deadline yesterday meant close to 95 per cent of the 2,976 families who lost loved ones in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania were expected to finally take the money.

    They will, on average, receive $1.8 million (all figures U.S.) each.

    He said those who have chosen to sue have put no dollar figure on awards and each claim will be individually tailored.

    Some $1.5 billion had been paid from the government fund by the weekend. Compensation for individual deaths has ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million. Those physically injured as a result of the attacks have received compensation ranging from $500 to $7.9 million.

    Gabrielle says it is a bribe by the government so victims can be coerced into washing their hands of the affair.

    She is also resentful that the government is determining the worth of loved ones.

    “This is about mass murder,” she said. “I want to know who was responsible.

    “No one has been fired. No one has been demoted. The same people who are guarding us today on an elevated security alert are the same people who were working that day.”

    Gabrielle and others want to know more about the safety of the buildings and airport security.

    Even those who have accepted the money see it only as the lesser of two evils.

    Irene Golinski, 53, whose husband died in the Pentagon attack, was still grappling with the decision to put 9/11 behind her or continue with a lawsuit.

    “It’s almost like it’s a payoff to save the airlines and not hold any of those people responsible for what happened,” she said.

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1223-02.htm

  • jeff111

    Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 ‘Bribe’
    Ignore Deadline for Compensation

    by Tim Harper

    WASHINGTON—For some, it’s blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

    For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    But as many as 73 families see the process of U.S. government compensation as an attempt to protect those who should be held accountable for what they believe was mass murder.

    They ignored a midnight deadline last night, their last chance to apply for government cash.

    And today, they begin a new stage in an arduous odyssey and will sue their government, airlines and state and local authorities.

    “This may be uncharted waters, but I was thrown in a pool on Sept. 11, 2001 and had to learn to swim,” said Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband Richard in the World Trade Center attack.

    “I am doing this for my husband. He was a gentle man, and he was alive, trying to get out of that building that day. The dead. The dying. The smoke. The terror. No one should have suffered like that. I want accountability. I need answers.”

    The compensation fund has been controversial since President George W. Bush signed it into law 13 days after the attacks. For those who lost family members, it was always about protecting airlines, federal, state and local authorities from billions of dollars of lawsuits.

    To receive the federal money, recipients must sign a waiver giving up their right to sue anyone involved in the worst terrorist attacks in U.S. history.

    A late surge of claims on deadline yesterday meant close to 95 per cent of the 2,976 families who lost loved ones in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania were expected to finally take the money.

    They will, on average, receive $1.8 million (all figures U.S.) each.

    He said those who have chosen to sue have put no dollar figure on awards and each claim will be individually tailored.

    Some $1.5 billion had been paid from the government fund by the weekend. Compensation for individual deaths has ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million. Those physically injured as a result of the attacks have received compensation ranging from $500 to $7.9 million.

    Gabrielle says it is a bribe by the government so victims can be coerced into washing their hands of the affair.

    She is also resentful that the government is determining the worth of loved ones.

    “This is about mass murder,” she said. “I want to know who was responsible.

    “No one has been fired. No one has been demoted. The same people who are guarding us today on an elevated security alert are the same people who were working that day.”

    Gabrielle and others want to know more about the safety of the buildings and airport security.

    Even those who have accepted the money see it only as the lesser of two evils.

    Irene Golinski, 53, whose husband died in the Pentagon attack, was still grappling with the decision to put 9/11 behind her or continue with a lawsuit.

    “It’s almost like it’s a payoff to save the airlines and not hold any of those people responsible for what happened,” she said.

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1223-02.htm

  • jeff111

    Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 ‘Bribe’
    Ignore Deadline for Compensation

    by Tim Harper

    WASHINGTON—For some, it’s blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

    For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    But as many as 73 families see the process of U.S. government compensation as an attempt to protect those who should be held accountable for what they believe was mass murder.

    They ignored a midnight deadline last night, their last chance to apply for government cash.

    And today, they begin a new stage in an arduous odyssey and will sue their government, airlines and state and local authorities.

    “This may be uncharted waters, but I was thrown in a pool on Sept. 11, 2001 and had to learn to swim,” said Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband Richard in the World Trade Center attack.

    “I am doing this for my husband. He was a gentle man, and he was alive, trying to get out of that building that day. The dead. The dying. The smoke. The terror. No one should have suffered like that. I want accountability. I need answers.”

    The compensation fund has been controversial since President George W. Bush signed it into law 13 days after the attacks. For those who lost family members, it was always about protecting airlines, federal, state and local authorities from billions of dollars of lawsuits.

    To receive the federal money, recipients must sign a waiver giving up their right to sue anyone involved in the worst terrorist attacks in U.S. history.

    A late surge of claims on deadline yesterday meant close to 95 per cent of the 2,976 families who lost loved ones in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania were expected to finally take the money.

    They will, on average, receive $1.8 million (all figures U.S.) each.

    He said those who have chosen to sue have put no dollar figure on awards and each claim will be individually tailored.

    Some $1.5 billion had been paid from the government fund by the weekend. Compensation for individual deaths has ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million. Those physically injured as a result of the attacks have received compensation ranging from $500 to $7.9 million.

    Gabrielle says it is a bribe by the government so victims can be coerced into washing their hands of the affair.

    She is also resentful that the government is determining the worth of loved ones.

    “This is about mass murder,” she said. “I want to know who was responsible.

    “No one has been fired. No one has been demoted. The same people who are guarding us today on an elevated security alert are the same people who were working that day.”

    Gabrielle and others want to know more about the safety of the buildings and airport security.

    Even those who have accepted the money see it only as the lesser of two evils.

    Irene Golinski, 53, whose husband died in the Pentagon attack, was still grappling with the decision to put 9/11 behind her or continue with a lawsuit.

    “It’s almost like it’s a payoff to save the airlines and not hold any of those people responsible for what happened,” she said.

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1223-02.htm

  • jeff111

    Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 ‘Bribe’
    Ignore Deadline for Compensation

    by Tim Harper

    WASHINGTON—For some, it’s blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

    For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    But as many as 73 families see the process of U.S. government compensation as an attempt to protect those who should be held accountable for what they believe was mass murder.

    They ignored a midnight deadline last night, their last chance to apply for government cash.

    And today, they begin a new stage in an arduous odyssey and will sue their government, airlines and state and local authorities.

    “This may be uncharted waters, but I was thrown in a pool on Sept. 11, 2001 and had to learn to swim,” said Monica Gabrielle, who lost her husband Richard in the World Trade Center attack.

    “I am doing this for my husband. He was a gentle man, and he was alive, trying to get out of that building that day. The dead. The dying. The smoke. The terror. No one should have suffered like that. I want accountability. I need answers.”

    The compensation fund has been controversial since President George W. Bush signed it into law 13 days after the attacks. For those who lost family members, it was always about protecting airlines, federal, state and local authorities from billions of dollars of lawsuits.

    To receive the federal money, recipients must sign a waiver giving up their right to sue anyone involved in the worst terrorist attacks in U.S. history.

    A late surge of claims on deadline yesterday meant close to 95 per cent of the 2,976 families who lost loved ones in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania were expected to finally take the money.

    They will, on average, receive $1.8 million (all figures U.S.) each.

    He said those who have chosen to sue have put no dollar figure on awards and each claim will be individually tailored.

    Some $1.5 billion had been paid from the government fund by the weekend. Compensation for individual deaths has ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million. Those physically injured as a result of the attacks have received compensation ranging from $500 to $7.9 million.

    Gabrielle says it is a bribe by the government so victims can be coerced into washing their hands of the affair.

    She is also resentful that the government is determining the worth of loved ones.

    “This is about mass murder,” she said. “I want to know who was responsible.

    “No one has been fired. No one has been demoted. The same people who are guarding us today on an elevated security alert are the same people who were working that day.”

    Gabrielle and others want to know more about the safety of the buildings and airport security.

    Even those who have accepted the money see it only as the lesser of two evils.

    Irene Golinski, 53, whose husband died in the Pentagon attack, was still grappling with the decision to put 9/11 behind her or continue with a lawsuit.

    “It’s almost like it’s a payoff to save the airlines and not hold any of those people responsible for what happened,” she said.

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1223-02.htm

  • jeff111

    Petition to have the government release the evidence

    Doug, since you are saying we need more facts to come out, and we should investigate them, when are you going to sign the petition at http://www.st911.org and recommend that your readers do so as well?

    If you would do your homework, you would find out that the 9/11 family organizations want the truth to come out.

    If you would do your homework, you will also find out that each 9/11 family member who accepted the $1.5 million or so each given to them by the government as “victim compensation,” as a condition of receiving such payment, they agreed not to sue the US government, and also agreed to a gag order. In other words, the $1.5 million to each family member was hush money. Did you know that?

  • jeff111

    Petition to have the government release the evidence

    Doug, since you are saying we need more facts to come out, and we should investigate them, when are you going to sign the petition at http://www.st911.org and recommend that your readers do so as well?

    If you would do your homework, you would find out that the 9/11 family organizations want the truth to come out.

    If you would do your homework, you will also find out that each 9/11 family member who accepted the $1.5 million or so each given to them by the government as “victim compensation,” as a condition of receiving such payment, they agreed not to sue the US government, and also agreed to a gag order. In other words, the $1.5 million to each family member was hush money. Did you know that?

  • jeff111

    Petition to have the government release the evidence

    Doug, since you are saying we need more facts to come out, and we should investigate them, when are you going to sign the petition at http://www.st911.org and recommend that your readers do so as well?

    If you would do your homework, you would find out that the 9/11 family organizations want the truth to come out.

    If you would do your homework, you will also find out that each 9/11 family member who accepted the $1.5 million or so each given to them by the government as “victim compensation,” as a condition of receiving such payment, they agreed not to sue the US government, and also agreed to a gag order. In other words, the $1.5 million to each family member was hush money. Did you know that?

  • jeff111

    Petition to have the government release the evidence

    Doug, since you are saying we need more facts to come out, and we should investigate them, when are you going to sign the petition at http://www.st911.org and recommend that your readers do so as well?

    If you would do your homework, you would find out that the 9/11 family organizations want the truth to come out.

    If you would do your homework, you will also find out that each 9/11 family member who accepted the $1.5 million or so each given to them by the government as “victim compensation,” as a condition of receiving such payment, they agreed not to sue the US government, and also agreed to a gag order. In other words, the $1.5 million to each family member was hush money. Did you know that?

  • jeff111

    Doug,
    Do I get any money from you as your research assistant? Your research on this story when you wrote it appeared to be ZERO research.
    But I am glad you are starting to get curious about some of the facts. It’s too bad that a journalist like yourself can’t do some of this research himself.

    Regarding the collapse of the towers, this is the most important question. I want YOU to answer how the official story explains these observations by MIT engineer/research scientist and expert in controlled demolition Jeff King. He says the following:

    The following is evidence that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition:

    1. Speed of fall – approximately at free fall speed – what that says is that none of the kinetic energy is being dissipated, that all of the kinetic energy is going into accelerating the mass, which is what happens in a free fall. If any of this kinetic energy was diverted into breaking the physical structure of the building or pulverizing concrete, it would have significantly slowed down the collapse. Even in the very simplest model, if one floor falls down, hits it loose, and breaks the next, and then that one in turn falls, that the fall has to take somewhere on the order of 30 seconds, and that’s based on fairly generous assumptions. When you try to make a reasonable estimate of the amount of energy it would take to actually crumble the structure to the extent we see it as well as to pulverize the materials to the extent that we see it, it’s pretty clear that you’re talking about more energy than the total kinetic energy of the building. In other words, it shouldn’t have fallen at all, because you were extracting more energy than was there to be extracted. Putting that together leaves only the option that something removed the resistance; so that once the top of the building begins to fall, it doesn’t encounter any resistance. Something else, in this case, high explosives, is taking out the structure.
    2. Another strong piece of supporting evidence is that in the rubble that was taken away, the sections of the core columns, these are massive 18 by 36 inch steel box columns with 4 inch thick steel at the base; these things were sliced off perfectly into one and two floor sections up to 24 feet long; they were sliced cleanly so they could be loaded on trucks and taken away. The fact that they were sliced cleanly points to an existing demolition technology which is called Safe Linear Charge and these are basically extruded little semi-circular pieces of material which is an explosive material bonded to a metal or ceramic backing and comes in these thin strips, it produces a linear focused shockwave that can completely slice through steel and if you look on the websites the demolition companies brag about how you can cut stuff up neatly to truck it away. Video evidence of the collapses of the WTC buildings (Buildings 1, 2 and 7) shows very energetic ejections of material from the sides of the buildings which can only be accounted for by explosives.
    Put this together and it all points to explosives. They could have been radio controlled and sequenced and programmed by computer.
    Another issue is the symmetry of the collapse, which is extremely unlikely from a physical point of view in an uncontrolled situation. A tall slender object will tend to topple over. If there is any tendency to go to the side, it will accelerate to the side where there is less resistance. These buildings collapsed straight down along their axis of greatest strength. The supporting beams simply disappeared. They essentially telescoped down along their long axis.
    Implied in the official story is the concept that the steel columns must have telescoped
    3. We have to consider the importance of the scrubbing of the crime scene which evidently came out of Gulliani’s office. The steel was taken away as quickly as humanly possible and sent off to recycling yards in Asia.
    4. The dust particles were extremely small, below 25 microns. These particles are so small that they can be explained only if they are vaporized. The question of mechanism comes up, these metals have to be heated very hot. All of the concree, glass and gypsum were pulverized to such small particles. The fine particles imply an extremely high energy output to break the chemical bonds. The energy from the building falling is not even close enough to account for the amount of energy required to create this pulverization into fine dust.

    Now, I know you think you are a genius at many things, like explosive demolition and physics, so please address these points, Doug.

  • jeff111

    Doug,
    Do I get any money from you as your research assistant? Your research on this story when you wrote it appeared to be ZERO research.
    But I am glad you are starting to get curious about some of the facts. It’s too bad that a journalist like yourself can’t do some of this research himself.

    Regarding the collapse of the towers, this is the most important question. I want YOU to answer how the official story explains these observations by MIT engineer/research scientist and expert in controlled demolition Jeff King. He says the following:

    The following is evidence that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition:

    1. Speed of fall – approximately at free fall speed – what that says is that none of the kinetic energy is being dissipated, that all of the kinetic energy is going into accelerating the mass, which is what happens in a free fall. If any of this kinetic energy was diverted into breaking the physical structure of the building or pulverizing concrete, it would have significantly slowed down the collapse. Even in the very simplest model, if one floor falls down, hits it loose, and breaks the next, and then that one in turn falls, that the fall has to take somewhere on the order of 30 seconds, and that’s based on fairly generous assumptions. When you try to make a reasonable estimate of the amount of energy it would take to actually crumble the structure to the extent we see it as well as to pulverize the materials to the extent that we see it, it’s pretty clear that you’re talking about more energy than the total kinetic energy of the building. In other words, it shouldn’t have fallen at all, because you were extracting more energy than was there to be extracted. Putting that together leaves only the option that something removed the resistance; so that once the top of the building begins to fall, it doesn’t encounter any resistance. Something else, in this case, high explosives, is taking out the structure.
    2. Another strong piece of supporting evidence is that in the rubble that was taken away, the sections of the core columns, these are massive 18 by 36 inch steel box columns with 4 inch thick steel at the base; these things were sliced off perfectly into one and two floor sections up to 24 feet long; they were sliced cleanly so they could be loaded on trucks and taken away. The fact that they were sliced cleanly points to an existing demolition technology which is called Safe Linear Charge and these are basically extruded little semi-circular pieces of material which is an explosive material bonded to a metal or ceramic backing and comes in these thin strips, it produces a linear focused shockwave that can completely slice through steel and if you look on the websites the demolition companies brag about how you can cut stuff up neatly to truck it away. Video evidence of the collapses of the WTC buildings (Buildings 1, 2 and 7) shows very energetic ejections of material from the sides of the buildings which can only be accounted for by explosives.
    Put this together and it all points to explosives. They could have been radio controlled and sequenced and programmed by computer.
    Another issue is the symmetry of the collapse, which is extremely unlikely from a physical point of view in an uncontrolled situation. A tall slender object will tend to topple over. If there is any tendency to go to the side, it will accelerate to the side where there is less resistance. These buildings collapsed straight down along their axis of greatest strength. The supporting beams simply disappeared. They essentially telescoped down along their long axis.
    Implied in the official story is the concept that the steel columns must have telescoped
    3. We have to consider the importance of the scrubbing of the crime scene which evidently came out of Gulliani’s office. The steel was taken away as quickly as humanly possible and sent off to recycling yards in Asia.
    4. The dust particles were extremely small, below 25 microns. These particles are so small that they can be explained only if they are vaporized. The question of mechanism comes up, these metals have to be heated very hot. All of the concree, glass and gypsum were pulverized to such small particles. The fine particles imply an extremely high energy output to break the chemical bonds. The energy from the building falling is not even close enough to account for the amount of energy required to create this pulverization into fine dust.

    Now, I know you think you are a genius at many things, like explosive demolition and physics, so please address these points, Doug.

  • jeff111

    Doug,
    Do I get any money from you as your research assistant? Your research on this story when you wrote it appeared to be ZERO research.
    But I am glad you are starting to get curious about some of the facts. It’s too bad that a journalist like yourself can’t do some of this research himself.

    Regarding the collapse of the towers, this is the most important question. I want YOU to answer how the official story explains these observations by MIT engineer/research scientist and expert in controlled demolition Jeff King. He says the following:

    The following is evidence that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition:

    1. Speed of fall – approximately at free fall speed – what that says is that none of the kinetic energy is being dissipated, that all of the kinetic energy is going into accelerating the mass, which is what happens in a free fall. If any of this kinetic energy was diverted into breaking the physical structure of the building or pulverizing concrete, it would have significantly slowed down the collapse. Even in the very simplest model, if one floor falls down, hits it loose, and breaks the next, and then that one in turn falls, that the fall has to take somewhere on the order of 30 seconds, and that’s based on fairly generous assumptions. When you try to make a reasonable estimate of the amount of energy it would take to actually crumble the structure to the extent we see it as well as to pulverize the materials to the extent that we see it, it’s pretty clear that you’re talking about more energy than the total kinetic energy of the building. In other words, it shouldn’t have fallen at all, because you were extracting more energy than was there to be extracted. Putting that together leaves only the option that something removed the resistance; so that once the top of the building begins to fall, it doesn’t encounter any resistance. Something else, in this case, high explosives, is taking out the structure.
    2. Another strong piece of supporting evidence is that in the rubble that was taken away, the sections of the core columns, these are massive 18 by 36 inch steel box columns with 4 inch thick steel at the base; these things were sliced off perfectly into one and two floor sections up to 24 feet long; they were sliced cleanly so they could be loaded on trucks and taken away. The fact that they were sliced cleanly points to an existing demolition technology which is called Safe Linear Charge and these are basically extruded little semi-circular pieces of material which is an explosive material bonded to a metal or ceramic backing and comes in these thin strips, it produces a linear focused shockwave that can completely slice through steel and if you look on the websites the demolition companies brag about how you can cut stuff up neatly to truck it away. Video evidence of the collapses of the WTC buildings (Buildings 1, 2 and 7) shows very energetic ejections of material from the sides of the buildings which can only be accounted for by explosives.
    Put this together and it all points to explosives. They could have been radio controlled and sequenced and programmed by computer.
    Another issue is the symmetry of the collapse, which is extremely unlikely from a physical point of view in an uncontrolled situation. A tall slender object will tend to topple over. If there is any tendency to go to the side, it will accelerate to the side where there is less resistance. These buildings collapsed straight down along their axis of greatest strength. The supporting beams simply disappeared. They essentially telescoped down along their long axis.
    Implied in the official story is the concept that the steel columns must have telescoped
    3. We have to consider the importance of the scrubbing of the crime scene which evidently came out of Gulliani’s office. The steel was taken away as quickly as humanly possible and sent off to recycling yards in Asia.
    4. The dust particles were extremely small, below 25 microns. These particles are so small that they can be explained only if they are vaporized. The question of mechanism comes up, these metals have to be heated very hot. All of the concree, glass and gypsum were pulverized to such small particles. The fine particles imply an extremely high energy output to break the chemical bonds. The energy from the building falling is not even close enough to account for the amount of energy required to create this pulverization into fine dust.

    Now, I know you think you are a genius at many things, like explosive demolition and physics, so please address these points, Doug.

  • jeff111

    Doug,
    Do I get any money from you as your research assistant? Your research on this story when you wrote it appeared to be ZERO research.
    But I am glad you are starting to get curious about some of the facts. It’s too bad that a journalist like yourself can’t do some of this research himself.

    Regarding the collapse of the towers, this is the most important question. I want YOU to answer how the official story explains these observations by MIT engineer/research scientist and expert in controlled demolition Jeff King. He says the following:

    The following is evidence that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition:

    1. Speed of fall – approximately at free fall speed – what that says is that none of the kinetic energy is being dissipated, that all of the kinetic energy is going into accelerating the mass, which is what happens in a free fall. If any of this kinetic energy was diverted into breaking the physical structure of the building or pulverizing concrete, it would have significantly slowed down the collapse. Even in the very simplest model, if one floor falls down, hits it loose, and breaks the next, and then that one in turn falls, that the fall has to take somewhere on the order of 30 seconds, and that’s based on fairly generous assumptions. When you try to make a reasonable estimate of the amount of energy it would take to actually crumble the structure to the extent we see it as well as to pulverize the materials to the extent that we see it, it’s pretty clear that you’re talking about more energy than the total kinetic energy of the building. In other words, it shouldn’t have fallen at all, because you were extracting more energy than was there to be extracted. Putting that together leaves only the option that something removed the resistance; so that once the top of the building begins to fall, it doesn’t encounter any resistance. Something else, in this case, high explosives, is taking out the structure.
    2. Another strong piece of supporting evidence is that in the rubble that was taken away, the sections of the core columns, these are massive 18 by 36 inch steel box columns with 4 inch thick steel at the base; these things were sliced off perfectly into one and two floor sections up to 24 feet long; they were sliced cleanly so they could be loaded on trucks and taken away. The fact that they were sliced cleanly points to an existing demolition technology which is called Safe Linear Charge and these are basically extruded little semi-circular pieces of material which is an explosive material bonded to a metal or ceramic backing and comes in these thin strips, it produces a linear focused shockwave that can completely slice through steel and if you look on the websites the demolition companies brag about how you can cut stuff up neatly to truck it away. Video evidence of the collapses of the WTC buildings (Buildings 1, 2 and 7) shows very energetic ejections of material from the sides of the buildings which can only be accounted for by explosives.
    Put this together and it all points to explosives. They could have been radio controlled and sequenced and programmed by computer.
    Another issue is the symmetry of the collapse, which is extremely unlikely from a physical point of view in an uncontrolled situation. A tall slender object will tend to topple over. If there is any tendency to go to the side, it will accelerate to the side where there is less resistance. These buildings collapsed straight down along their axis of greatest strength. The supporting beams simply disappeared. They essentially telescoped down along their long axis.
    Implied in the official story is the concept that the steel columns must have telescoped
    3. We have to consider the importance of the scrubbing of the crime scene which evidently came out of Gulliani’s office. The steel was taken away as quickly as humanly possible and sent off to recycling yards in Asia.
    4. The dust particles were extremely small, below 25 microns. These particles are so small that they can be explained only if they are vaporized. The question of mechanism comes up, these metals have to be heated very hot. All of the concree, glass and gypsum were pulverized to such small particles. The fine particles imply an extremely high energy output to break the chemical bonds. The energy from the building falling is not even close enough to account for the amount of energy required to create this pulverization into fine dust.

    Now, I know you think you are a genius at many things, like explosive demolition and physics, so please address these points, Doug.

  • jeff111

    WTC Black Boxes

    Doug, here is the real story about the WTC Black Boxes. Don’t you know how to research these things yourself? Do I have to do all your homework for you?

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/211205blackboxes.htm

    9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

    Dave Lindorff | December 21 2005

    One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

    Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

    Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

    All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

    But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

    There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes’ data, says, “It’s very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it’s also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings.”

    Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

    “Off the record, we had the boxes,” the source says. “You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.”

    The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. “No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center,” says the NTSB’s Lopatkiewicz. “At least none were delivered to us by the FBI.” He adds that the agency has “always had a good relationship’ with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.

    For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. “To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them,” says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.

    What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.

    If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.

    Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation’s “War on Terror” and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.

    Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.

  • jeff111

    WTC Black Boxes

    Doug, here is the real story about the WTC Black Boxes. Don’t you know how to research these things yourself? Do I have to do all your homework for you?

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/211205blackboxes.htm

    9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

    Dave Lindorff | December 21 2005

    One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

    Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

    Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

    All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

    But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

    There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes’ data, says, “It’s very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it’s also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings.”

    Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

    “Off the record, we had the boxes,” the source says. “You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.”

    The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. “No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center,” says the NTSB’s Lopatkiewicz. “At least none were delivered to us by the FBI.” He adds that the agency has “always had a good relationship’ with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.

    For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. “To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them,” says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.

    What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.

    If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.

    Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation’s “War on Terror” and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.

    Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.

  • jeff111

    WTC Black Boxes

    Doug, here is the real story about the WTC Black Boxes. Don’t you know how to research these things yourself? Do I have to do all your homework for you?

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/211205blackboxes.htm

    9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

    Dave Lindorff | December 21 2005

    One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

    Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

    Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

    All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

    But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

    There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes’ data, says, “It’s very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it’s also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings.”

    Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

    “Off the record, we had the boxes,” the source says. “You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.”

    The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. “No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center,” says the NTSB’s Lopatkiewicz. “At least none were delivered to us by the FBI.” He adds that the agency has “always had a good relationship’ with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.

    For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. “To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them,” says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.

    What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.

    If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.

    Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation’s “War on Terror” and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.

    Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.

  • jeff111

    WTC Black Boxes

    Doug, here is the real story about the WTC Black Boxes. Don’t you know how to research these things yourself? Do I have to do all your homework for you?

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/211205blackboxes.htm

    9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

    Dave Lindorff | December 21 2005

    One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

    Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

    Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

    All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

    But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

    There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes’ data, says, “It’s very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it’s also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings.”

    Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

    “Off the record, we had the boxes,” the source says. “You’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here.”

    The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. “No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center,” says the NTSB’s Lopatkiewicz. “At least none were delivered to us by the FBI.” He adds that the agency has “always had a good relationship’ with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.

    For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. “To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them,” says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.

    What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.

    If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.

    Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation’s “War on Terror” and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness.

    Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes.

  • jeff111

    Doug, you are wrong again.

    Doug said:
    >No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

    The link you referenced to is not a story about black boxes from the WTC crashes. It is from the crash into the Pentagon.

    I think you should read your articles more carefully. There is a big difference between the WTC and the Pentagon. Didn’t you know that?

  • jeff111

    Doug, you are wrong again.

    Doug said:
    >No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

    The link you referenced to is not a story about black boxes from the WTC crashes. It is from the crash into the Pentagon.

    I think you should read your articles more carefully. There is a big difference between the WTC and the Pentagon. Didn’t you know that?

  • jeff111

    Doug, you are wrong again.

    Doug said:
    >No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

    The link you referenced to is not a story about black boxes from the WTC crashes. It is from the crash into the Pentagon.

    I think you should read your articles more carefully. There is a big difference between the WTC and the Pentagon. Didn’t you know that?

  • jeff111

    Doug, you are wrong again.

    Doug said:
    >No black boxes from the WTC crashes? Read a few paragraphs into this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

    The link you referenced to is not a story about black boxes from the WTC crashes. It is from the crash into the Pentagon.

    I think you should read your articles more carefully. There is a big difference between the WTC and the Pentagon. Didn’t you know that?

  • jeff111

    Doug said:
    >>I’ve had so many people tell me to “wake up” in the past few days, and a good deal of them, while they may be awake, have had some serious wool pulled over their eyes.

    Let’s talk facts Doug. Tell me how WTC7 collapsed at free fall speed at around 5pm on 9/11/01 straight down into its own footprint.

    And if there has not been a government coverup, then tell me why the collapse of a 47 story steel frame building (WTC7) at 5pm on 9/11/01, was not even MENTIONED in the 9/11 Whitewash Commission Report?

    Let’s talk facts Doug, and don’t tell me about how “some people” believe this, and “some people” believe this. Tell me how you can explain and believe the official story and these facts which shoot your explanation to the ground.

    Incidentally, Doug, students of logic do not fall for the “straw man” arguments you present. A straw man argument is when someone like you says that the “other side” says “X” when “X” is a grossly exaggerated and easily disprovable point that most people on the other side are NOT saying. Then you debunk “X” and try to discredit the whole group who you oppose.

    Why don’t you stick with the issues I have brought up. Answer them. Research them. How did WTC7 collapse at near free fall speed on 9/11/01 at 5pm? How did the towers collapse at near free fall speed? Please stick to the facts, and stop the “straw man” diversion tactics.

  • jeff111

    Doug said:
    >>I’ve had so many people tell me to “wake up” in the past few days, and a good deal of them, while they may be awake, have had some serious wool pulled over their eyes.

    Let’s talk facts Doug. Tell me how WTC7 collapsed at free fall speed at around 5pm on 9/11/01 straight down into its own footprint.

    And if there has not been a government coverup, then tell me why the collapse of a 47 story steel frame building (WTC7) at 5pm on 9/11/01, was not even MENTIONED in the 9/11 Whitewash Commission Report?

    Let’s talk facts Doug, and don’t tell me about how “some people” believe this, and “some people” believe this. Tell me how you can explain and believe the official story and these facts which shoot your explanation to the ground.

    Incidentally, Doug, students of logic do not fall for the “straw man” arguments you present. A straw man argument is when someone like you says that the “other side” says “X” when “X” is a grossly exaggerated and easily disprovable point that most people on the other side are NOT saying. Then you debunk “X” and try to discredit the whole group who you oppose.

    Why don’t you stick with the issues I have brought up. Answer them. Research them. How did WTC7 collapse at near free fall speed on 9/11/01 at 5pm? How did the towers collapse at near free fall speed? Please stick to the facts, and stop the “straw man” diversion tactics.

  • jeff111

    Doug Regarding Flight 77 Black Boxes

    Doug, you are so uninformed on some of these issues it is ridiculous. You wrote:

    >>Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure.

    You are implying that the familes have not approved that the data be released. Why is it that you write this when in fact lawyers representing 9/11 victim families have been attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data, which the government continues to keep secret?

    You obviously are uninformed about many of the things you write about 9/11. In addition, the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

    Doug, you have a lot of homework to do before you can consider yourself a serious journalist on this topic. Why don’t you read the following about the Flight 77 Black Boxes. Then let me hear what you think about this.

    http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml

    On September 14, the DoD announced that they had found the black boxes for Flight 77, and that they have been turned over to the NTSB. However, the data of the flight data recorders, or the voice from the voice recorder from Flight 77 have never been released:

    September 14, 2001 — Searchers found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders about 4 a.m. today in the wreckage of the hijacked plane that slammed into the Pentagon on September 11, Defense Department officials said. The two “black boxes” will help investigators put together the puzzle of what happened during the doomed flight, said DoD spokesman Army Lt. Col. George H. Rhynedance. “The voice recorder will tell what was going on in the cockpit,” he said. The data box, he said, will tell what was happening with the aircraft as it headed toward the Pentagon, such as its rate of turn. Information from the two boxes will help determine what actually happened during the flight, he said. The recorders were turned over the FBI. The recorders are now at the National Transportation Safety Board laboratory in Washington, where technicians are working to recover data on the recorders. DoD

    September 14, 2001 — Dick Bridges, deputy manager for Arlington County, Va., said the voice recorder was damaged on the outside and the flight data recorder was charred. But he said the FBI still was confident the data can be recovered from both devices.” “Bridges said the recorders were found “right where the plane came into the building.” Albuquerque Tribune

    September 14, 2001 — FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have recovered some information from the flight data recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, the hijacked jet that slammed into the Pentagon. CNN

    A damaged voice recorder and the charred flight data recorder from the hijacked have been sent to the FBI. Wired News

    Feb. 25, 2002 –FBI Director Robert Mueller said Flight 77′s data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful. CBS

    FBI Director Robert Mueller said that the voice data recorder contained nothing useful, it would imply that there are no words of the hijackers on the tape, which would once again reinforce our feeling that there is no evidence of hijackers. We’d like to have a independent and reputable expert look at the originals – perhaps what they do or do not contain is useful. Because, as we shall see below, we are deeply suspicious of the FBI’s withholding or burying all evidence related to Flight 77.

    Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said the data on the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable.

    If the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable, it would be the first time in aviation history a solid-state data recorder (the type used on Flight 77) was unrecoverable after a crash. From a Scientific American feature article lauding the “Better Black Box” in their September 2000 issue:

    Nearly 100,000 flight recorders have been installed in commercial aircraft over the past four decades. The prices of the latest models generally range from $10,000 to $20,000. Their survival rate has greatly improved in recent years as the FAA has raised the certification requirements. Although older recorders using magnetic tape were susceptible to fire damage, no solid-state device has been destroyed in an accident to date.

    Lawyers representing 9/11 victim families are attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data. See 9/11 Lawyers Seek Black-Box Data on Saudi Hijackers by Tom Flocco, which indicates the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

    Of course, as Flight 77 was not the plane involved in the Pentagon Attack, it’s black boxes would presumably show that, and the government would be very reluctant to allow the data to be examined, or allow the NTSB to carry out the investigation of the crash that is required by law.

  • jeff111

    Doug Regarding Flight 77 Black Boxes

    Doug, you are so uninformed on some of these issues it is ridiculous. You wrote:

    >>Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure.

    You are implying that the familes have not approved that the data be released. Why is it that you write this when in fact lawyers representing 9/11 victim families have been attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data, which the government continues to keep secret?

    You obviously are uninformed about many of the things you write about 9/11. In addition, the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

    Doug, you have a lot of homework to do before you can consider yourself a serious journalist on this topic. Why don’t you read the following about the Flight 77 Black Boxes. Then let me hear what you think about this.

    http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml

    On September 14, the DoD announced that they had found the black boxes for Flight 77, and that they have been turned over to the NTSB. However, the data of the flight data recorders, or the voice from the voice recorder from Flight 77 have never been released:

    September 14, 2001 — Searchers found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders about 4 a.m. today in the wreckage of the hijacked plane that slammed into the Pentagon on September 11, Defense Department officials said. The two “black boxes” will help investigators put together the puzzle of what happened during the doomed flight, said DoD spokesman Army Lt. Col. George H. Rhynedance. “The voice recorder will tell what was going on in the cockpit,” he said. The data box, he said, will tell what was happening with the aircraft as it headed toward the Pentagon, such as its rate of turn. Information from the two boxes will help determine what actually happened during the flight, he said. The recorders were turned over the FBI. The recorders are now at the National Transportation Safety Board laboratory in Washington, where technicians are working to recover data on the recorders. DoD

    September 14, 2001 — Dick Bridges, deputy manager for Arlington County, Va., said the voice recorder was damaged on the outside and the flight data recorder was charred. But he said the FBI still was confident the data can be recovered from both devices.” “Bridges said the recorders were found “right where the plane came into the building.” Albuquerque Tribune

    September 14, 2001 — FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have recovered some information from the flight data recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, the hijacked jet that slammed into the Pentagon. CNN

    A damaged voice recorder and the charred flight data recorder from the hijacked have been sent to the FBI. Wired News

    Feb. 25, 2002 –FBI Director Robert Mueller said Flight 77′s data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful. CBS

    FBI Director Robert Mueller said that the voice data recorder contained nothing useful, it would imply that there are no words of the hijackers on the tape, which would once again reinforce our feeling that there is no evidence of hijackers. We’d like to have a independent and reputable expert look at the originals – perhaps what they do or do not contain is useful. Because, as we shall see below, we are deeply suspicious of the FBI’s withholding or burying all evidence related to Flight 77.

    Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said the data on the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable.

    If the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable, it would be the first time in aviation history a solid-state data recorder (the type used on Flight 77) was unrecoverable after a crash. From a Scientific American feature article lauding the “Better Black Box” in their September 2000 issue:

    Nearly 100,000 flight recorders have been installed in commercial aircraft over the past four decades. The prices of the latest models generally range from $10,000 to $20,000. Their survival rate has greatly improved in recent years as the FAA has raised the certification requirements. Although older recorders using magnetic tape were susceptible to fire damage, no solid-state device has been destroyed in an accident to date.

    Lawyers representing 9/11 victim families are attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data. See 9/11 Lawyers Seek Black-Box Data on Saudi Hijackers by Tom Flocco, which indicates the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

    Of course, as Flight 77 was not the plane involved in the Pentagon Attack, it’s black boxes would presumably show that, and the government would be very reluctant to allow the data to be examined, or allow the NTSB to carry out the investigation of the crash that is required by law.

  • jeff111

    Doug Regarding Flight 77 Black Boxes

    Doug, you are so uninformed on some of these issues it is ridiculous. You wrote:

    >>Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure.

    You are implying that the familes have not approved that the data be released. Why is it that you write this when in fact lawyers representing 9/11 victim families have been attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data, which the government continues to keep secret?

    You obviously are uninformed about many of the things you write about 9/11. In addition, the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

    Doug, you have a lot of homework to do before you can consider yourself a serious journalist on this topic. Why don’t you read the following about the Flight 77 Black Boxes. Then let me hear what you think about this.

    http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml

    On September 14, the DoD announced that they had found the black boxes for Flight 77, and that they have been turned over to the NTSB. However, the data of the flight data recorders, or the voice from the voice recorder from Flight 77 have never been released:

    September 14, 2001 — Searchers found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders about 4 a.m. today in the wreckage of the hijacked plane that slammed into the Pentagon on September 11, Defense Department officials said. The two “black boxes” will help investigators put together the puzzle of what happened during the doomed flight, said DoD spokesman Army Lt. Col. George H. Rhynedance. “The voice recorder will tell what was going on in the cockpit,” he said. The data box, he said, will tell what was happening with the aircraft as it headed toward the Pentagon, such as its rate of turn. Information from the two boxes will help determine what actually happened during the flight, he said. The recorders were turned over the FBI. The recorders are now at the National Transportation Safety Board laboratory in Washington, where technicians are working to recover data on the recorders. DoD

    September 14, 2001 — Dick Bridges, deputy manager for Arlington County, Va., said the voice recorder was damaged on the outside and the flight data recorder was charred. But he said the FBI still was confident the data can be recovered from both devices.” “Bridges said the recorders were found “right where the plane came into the building.” Albuquerque Tribune

    September 14, 2001 — FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have recovered some information from the flight data recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, the hijacked jet that slammed into the Pentagon. CNN

    A damaged voice recorder and the charred flight data recorder from the hijacked have been sent to the FBI. Wired News

    Feb. 25, 2002 –FBI Director Robert Mueller said Flight 77′s data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful. CBS

    FBI Director Robert Mueller said that the voice data recorder contained nothing useful, it would imply that there are no words of the hijackers on the tape, which would once again reinforce our feeling that there is no evidence of hijackers. We’d like to have a independent and reputable expert look at the originals – perhaps what they do or do not contain is useful. Because, as we shall see below, we are deeply suspicious of the FBI’s withholding or burying all evidence related to Flight 77.

    Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said the data on the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable.

    If the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable, it would be the first time in aviation history a solid-state data recorder (the type used on Flight 77) was unrecoverable after a crash. From a Scientific American feature article lauding the “Better Black Box” in their September 2000 issue:

    Nearly 100,000 flight recorders have been installed in commercial aircraft over the past four decades. The prices of the latest models generally range from $10,000 to $20,000. Their survival rate has greatly improved in recent years as the FAA has raised the certification requirements. Although older recorders using magnetic tape were susceptible to fire damage, no solid-state device has been destroyed in an accident to date.

    Lawyers representing 9/11 victim families are attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data. See 9/11 Lawyers Seek Black-Box Data on Saudi Hijackers by Tom Flocco, which indicates the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

    Of course, as Flight 77 was not the plane involved in the Pentagon Attack, it’s black boxes would presumably show that, and the government would be very reluctant to allow the data to be examined, or allow the NTSB to carry out the investigation of the crash that is required by law.

  • jeff111

    Doug Regarding Flight 77 Black Boxes

    Doug, you are so uninformed on some of these issues it is ridiculous. You wrote:

    >>Should all that data be released to the general public? Pending approval of the families of the victims, sure.

    You are implying that the familes have not approved that the data be released. Why is it that you write this when in fact lawyers representing 9/11 victim families have been attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data, which the government continues to keep secret?

    You obviously are uninformed about many of the things you write about 9/11. In addition, the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

    Doug, you have a lot of homework to do before you can consider yourself a serious journalist on this topic. Why don’t you read the following about the Flight 77 Black Boxes. Then let me hear what you think about this.

    http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml

    On September 14, the DoD announced that they had found the black boxes for Flight 77, and that they have been turned over to the NTSB. However, the data of the flight data recorders, or the voice from the voice recorder from Flight 77 have never been released:

    September 14, 2001 — Searchers found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders about 4 a.m. today in the wreckage of the hijacked plane that slammed into the Pentagon on September 11, Defense Department officials said. The two “black boxes” will help investigators put together the puzzle of what happened during the doomed flight, said DoD spokesman Army Lt. Col. George H. Rhynedance. “The voice recorder will tell what was going on in the cockpit,” he said. The data box, he said, will tell what was happening with the aircraft as it headed toward the Pentagon, such as its rate of turn. Information from the two boxes will help determine what actually happened during the flight, he said. The recorders were turned over the FBI. The recorders are now at the National Transportation Safety Board laboratory in Washington, where technicians are working to recover data on the recorders. DoD

    September 14, 2001 — Dick Bridges, deputy manager for Arlington County, Va., said the voice recorder was damaged on the outside and the flight data recorder was charred. But he said the FBI still was confident the data can be recovered from both devices.” “Bridges said the recorders were found “right where the plane came into the building.” Albuquerque Tribune

    September 14, 2001 — FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have recovered some information from the flight data recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, the hijacked jet that slammed into the Pentagon. CNN

    A damaged voice recorder and the charred flight data recorder from the hijacked have been sent to the FBI. Wired News

    Feb. 25, 2002 –FBI Director Robert Mueller said Flight 77′s data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful. CBS

    FBI Director Robert Mueller said that the voice data recorder contained nothing useful, it would imply that there are no words of the hijackers on the tape, which would once again reinforce our feeling that there is no evidence of hijackers. We’d like to have a independent and reputable expert look at the originals – perhaps what they do or do not contain is useful. Because, as we shall see below, we are deeply suspicious of the FBI’s withholding or burying all evidence related to Flight 77.

    Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said the data on the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable.

    If the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable, it would be the first time in aviation history a solid-state data recorder (the type used on Flight 77) was unrecoverable after a crash. From a Scientific American feature article lauding the “Better Black Box” in their September 2000 issue:

    Nearly 100,000 flight recorders have been installed in commercial aircraft over the past four decades. The prices of the latest models generally range from $10,000 to $20,000. Their survival rate has greatly improved in recent years as the FAA has raised the certification requirements. Although older recorders using magnetic tape were susceptible to fire damage, no solid-state device has been destroyed in an accident to date.

    Lawyers representing 9/11 victim families are attempting to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data. See 9/11 Lawyers Seek Black-Box Data on Saudi Hijackers by Tom Flocco, which indicates the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.

    Of course, as Flight 77 was not the plane involved in the Pentagon Attack, it’s black boxes would presumably show that, and the government would be very reluctant to allow the data to be examined, or allow the NTSB to carry out the investigation of the crash that is required by law.

  • jeff111

    Doug said:
    >The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

    Response:
    Most serious 9/11 skeptic researchers know that we don’t know for sure what did or did not hit the Pentagon because we have not been given enought evidence. There certainly is not a preponderance of convincing evidence that Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. The question is: where is the beef? Where is the flight recorder data? Where are identifiable plane parts from Flight 77? Where are the bodies? And quite importantly, why did the FBI immediately confiscate all private videos of the crash, and continues to keep all videos, including Pentagon surveillance videos, of the supposed crash hidden from the public? If there was a crash, let’s see it!!!

    But again, you are focusing on not the most important questions. The clear evidence that the government story is a lie is the evidence surrounding WTC towers and WTC7. Watch 9/11 Revisited and Professor Griffin’s video, and then explain those events to me.

  • jeff111

    Doug said:
    >The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

    Response:
    Most serious 9/11 skeptic researchers know that we don’t know for sure what did or did not hit the Pentagon because we have not been given enought evidence. There certainly is not a preponderance of convincing evidence that Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. The question is: where is the beef? Where is the flight recorder data? Where are identifiable plane parts from Flight 77? Where are the bodies? And quite importantly, why did the FBI immediately confiscate all private videos of the crash, and continues to keep all videos, including Pentagon surveillance videos, of the supposed crash hidden from the public? If there was a crash, let’s see it!!!

    But again, you are focusing on not the most important questions. The clear evidence that the government story is a lie is the evidence surrounding WTC towers and WTC7. Watch 9/11 Revisited and Professor Griffin’s video, and then explain those events to me.

  • jeff111

    Doug said:
    >The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

    Response:
    Most serious 9/11 skeptic researchers know that we don’t know for sure what did or did not hit the Pentagon because we have not been given enought evidence. There certainly is not a preponderance of convincing evidence that Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. The question is: where is the beef? Where is the flight recorder data? Where are identifiable plane parts from Flight 77? Where are the bodies? And quite importantly, why did the FBI immediately confiscate all private videos of the crash, and continues to keep all videos, including Pentagon surveillance videos, of the supposed crash hidden from the public? If there was a crash, let’s see it!!!

    But again, you are focusing on not the most important questions. The clear evidence that the government story is a lie is the evidence surrounding WTC towers and WTC7. Watch 9/11 Revisited and Professor Griffin’s video, and then explain those events to me.

  • jeff111

    Doug said:
    >The “no plane hit the Pentagon” was a hoax that people have really taken off with, if you’ll pardon the pun.

    Response:
    Most serious 9/11 skeptic researchers know that we don’t know for sure what did or did not hit the Pentagon because we have not been given enought evidence. There certainly is not a preponderance of convincing evidence that Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. The question is: where is the beef? Where is the flight recorder data? Where are identifiable plane parts from Flight 77? Where are the bodies? And quite importantly, why did the FBI immediately confiscate all private videos of the crash, and continues to keep all videos, including Pentagon surveillance videos, of the supposed crash hidden from the public? If there was a crash, let’s see it!!!

    But again, you are focusing on not the most important questions. The clear evidence that the government story is a lie is the evidence surrounding WTC towers and WTC7. Watch 9/11 Revisited and Professor Griffin’s video, and then explain those events to me.







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