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		<title>By: &#187; A Vision for Fathers Day, 2025</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/06/03/procedurally-defeated-law-without-laws/comment-page-1/#comment-13129</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; A Vision for Fathers Day, 2025</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The hard bigotry of federal domestic violence (VAWA) funding throws men out of their families and strips them of many rights. Due process of law intentionally denied on nothing more than fear of what husbands might do to their wives or children.Â  The truth is this: the vast majority of serious domestic violence and child abuse occurs in the non-intact family.Â  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The hard bigotry of federal domestic violence (VAWA) funding throws men out of their families and strips them of many rights. Due process of law intentionally denied on nothing more than fear of what husbands might do to their wives or children.Â  The truth is this: the vast majority of serious domestic violence and child abuse occurs in the non-intact family.Â  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to think the system would create justice if it was given time.  But I know that I understand how it actually works.. er either doesn&#039;t work. 
It simple really, we don&#039;t live under the Constitution anymore.  All courts, I laugh to call them that, are actually equity tribunals that operate under UCC( Uniform Commercial Code).
In simple terms when You are born, your parents and mine too did by signing the birth certificate did unknowingly and without intent did pledge us to the state as it property.  These terrorist don&#039;t  have to respect your rights at all, infact under the Admiralty/Equity system all we really have are priviledges doctored up to look like rights. This is why the Court( ie equity tribunal) routinely do as they damn well please and ignore us.
The solution is simple in theory , but tough in the doing.  We simply go back to real law, the constitution.  And when these terrorist violate our rights, we severly punish the bastards.  In fact working against the people is by definition &quot; treason&quot; and in the olden days.  That was punishable  by death.  Not that we go that far, once the terrorist realize the &quot;fraud&quot; is over and they will either have to convert from being power mad tyrants and theives back to being compliant, obedient and respectful servants, that be a &quot;Punishment&quot; far worse than death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to think the system would create justice if it was given time.  But I know that I understand how it actually works.. er either doesn&#8217;t work.<br />
It simple really, we don&#8217;t live under the Constitution anymore.  All courts, I laugh to call them that, are actually equity tribunals that operate under UCC( Uniform Commercial Code).<br />
In simple terms when You are born, your parents and mine too did by signing the birth certificate did unknowingly and without intent did pledge us to the state as it property.  These terrorist don&#8217;t  have to respect your rights at all, infact under the Admiralty/Equity system all we really have are priviledges doctored up to look like rights. This is why the Court( ie equity tribunal) routinely do as they damn well please and ignore us.<br />
The solution is simple in theory , but tough in the doing.  We simply go back to real law, the constitution.  And when these terrorist violate our rights, we severly punish the bastards.  In fact working against the people is by definition &#8221; treason&#8221; and in the olden days.  That was punishable  by death.  Not that we go that far, once the terrorist realize the &#8220;fraud&#8221; is over and they will either have to convert from being power mad tyrants and theives back to being compliant, obedient and respectful servants, that be a &#8220;Punishment&#8221; far worse than death.</p>
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		<title>By: DcFather</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/06/03/procedurally-defeated-law-without-laws/comment-page-1/#comment-12748</link>
		<dc:creator>DcFather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is needed is a civil rights organization that actually gives a damn about civil rights.  

Today, politicians refer to &quot;civil rights&quot; as synonymous with discrimination against blacks, as if nobody else can have their civil rights violated.  Then we have the ACLU, which is an anti-Christian, pro-homosexual, anti-patriotism group, bent on undermining the fabric of a once free society by perverting the law.  Then we have the feminists, which like the ACLU is rooted in Communism, but in this case uses the female victimology routine to deny fundamental civil rights to men and children.

The judiciary is more concerned with pandering to these groups, and other special interest groups, especially Bar A$$ociation$, than it is with following the law or protecting civil rights, and I don&#039;t know how else to force them to obey the law, let alone enforce it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is needed is a civil rights organization that actually gives a damn about civil rights.  </p>
<p>Today, politicians refer to &#8220;civil rights&#8221; as synonymous with discrimination against blacks, as if nobody else can have their civil rights violated.  Then we have the ACLU, which is an anti-Christian, pro-homosexual, anti-patriotism group, bent on undermining the fabric of a once free society by perverting the law.  Then we have the feminists, which like the ACLU is rooted in Communism, but in this case uses the female victimology routine to deny fundamental civil rights to men and children.</p>
<p>The judiciary is more concerned with pandering to these groups, and other special interest groups, especially Bar A$$ociation$, than it is with following the law or protecting civil rights, and I don&#8217;t know how else to force them to obey the law, let alone enforce it.</p>
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		<title>By: conservativation</title>
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		<dc:creator>conservativation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As everyone who has ever sat through the tedious meetings between husb., wife, and respective lawyers (even when both do have lawyers as opposed to processors), the practice of &quot;family law&quot; is a very high paid mediating/moderating job...more or less babysitting arguments. I saw no indication of the law in play at all, just lawyers showing they were attempting to have everyone civil, and to settle out of court. 
A child could do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As everyone who has ever sat through the tedious meetings between husb., wife, and respective lawyers (even when both do have lawyers as opposed to processors), the practice of &#8220;family law&#8221; is a very high paid mediating/moderating job&#8230;more or less babysitting arguments. I saw no indication of the law in play at all, just lawyers showing they were attempting to have everyone civil, and to settle out of court.<br />
A child could do it!</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem to me that there would be both federal and state causes of action here for denial of procedural due process (funding comes from the federal level via VAWA and VCA), actions take place at the state level).  

Where one&#039;s fundamental right to be a parent is at stake, it would seem to me that strict scrutiny would be required, which of course, would result in the entire domestic violence system being ruled unconstitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem to me that there would be both federal and state causes of action here for denial of procedural due process (funding comes from the federal level via VAWA and VCA), actions take place at the state level).  </p>
<p>Where one&#8217;s fundamental right to be a parent is at stake, it would seem to me that strict scrutiny would be required, which of course, would result in the entire domestic violence system being ruled unconstitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shocking thing about the Newdow decision is that the majority opinion found that Dr. Newdow&#039;s parental rights were reduced by the California state court system without simultaneously finding that such action by the California courts constituted, without finding that Dr. Newdow did anything wrong or is an unfit parent, a violation of the 14th Amendment which is found in the Meyer, Pierce, Yoder, and Troxel decisions to protect those same parental rights.
While the domestic violence dance is an effective mechanism for summarily depriving the father of custody of his children, no such DV charge is necessary, the courts just award custody to the parent who was at home with the children.  Thus neatly cuts out the parent who had a job.
Then we violate the Peonage Law against the disenfranchised parent with the Child Support Crusade, often with orders such that compliance is simply impossible.
Maximization of the Child Support Crusade and the disfunctionality of as many citizens as possible resulting in the maximization of government employment and divorce industry income is THE motivation behind all of this.
Of course, the family court judges are recruited from the divorce lawyers and the family support prosecutors.
What is the difference between the bad old Ku Klux Klan and the present cesspool of family law?
The Klan treated the black folks with more fairness.  The Klan had more respect for the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shocking thing about the Newdow decision is that the majority opinion found that Dr. Newdow&#8217;s parental rights were reduced by the California state court system without simultaneously finding that such action by the California courts constituted, without finding that Dr. Newdow did anything wrong or is an unfit parent, a violation of the 14th Amendment which is found in the Meyer, Pierce, Yoder, and Troxel decisions to protect those same parental rights.<br />
While the domestic violence dance is an effective mechanism for summarily depriving the father of custody of his children, no such DV charge is necessary, the courts just award custody to the parent who was at home with the children.  Thus neatly cuts out the parent who had a job.<br />
Then we violate the Peonage Law against the disenfranchised parent with the Child Support Crusade, often with orders such that compliance is simply impossible.<br />
Maximization of the Child Support Crusade and the disfunctionality of as many citizens as possible resulting in the maximization of government employment and divorce industry income is THE motivation behind all of this.<br />
Of course, the family court judges are recruited from the divorce lawyers and the family support prosecutors.<br />
What is the difference between the bad old Ku Klux Klan and the present cesspool of family law?<br />
The Klan treated the black folks with more fairness.  The Klan had more respect for the law.</p>
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