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	<title>Comments on: Avon, the Rockefeller Foundation, and Mary Kay Ash Sponsor Radical Feminist Hate for Fathers Day</title>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All,

When dealing in social issues, remember that sex of the speaker is of no consequence.  Ignore the lips. Watch only what the feet are doing and where they are going.  If everyone follows this principle, it quickly becomes apparent that radical feminists are the worst protectors of marriage, family, women, and children; and they won&#039;t be able to fool you with lovely lullabies based on hate of men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,</p>
<p>When dealing in social issues, remember that sex of the speaker is of no consequence.  Ignore the lips. Watch only what the feet are doing and where they are going.  If everyone follows this principle, it quickly becomes apparent that radical feminists are the worst protectors of marriage, family, women, and children; and they won&#8217;t be able to fool you with lovely lullabies based on hate of men.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a little test for amosbatto and others who advocate against violendce against woman by supporting court procedures short on due process and long on imposing humiliating restrictions on the (usually male) respondents.
What do you think of the S.C.U.M. Manifesto?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a little test for amosbatto and others who advocate against violendce against woman by supporting court procedures short on due process and long on imposing humiliating restrictions on the (usually male) respondents.<br />
What do you think of the S.C.U.M. Manifesto?</p>
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		<title>By: fourthwire</title>
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		<dc:creator>fourthwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, David Usher.

By focusing scrutiny on those organizations and individuals promoting misandry, you are putting faces and names on some of this nation&#039;s worst human vermin.

In terms of your exchange of posts with &quot;amosbatto&quot;, I concur that your words have struck home with the radical feminists - the &quot;man-haters&quot; who would hide under the guise of another agenda.

Your own words put the matter very articulately:
&quot;I can tell when an article hits the target because feminist â€œspin artistsâ€ show up pretending that they are not doing what they are doing.

This is the radical feminist style: to pretend equalitariasm in microcosm (as in the comments posted above), while presenting a larger public illusion of innocent female victimhood to expand deeply sexist government programs (as evidenced by the V-Day site).&quot;

When the feminazi &quot;spin doctors&quot; show up to attempt damage control, you know that you must be succeeding in your endeavor to educate the public about the ugly realities behind feminists&#039; ideology of male-hatred.

She could not have paid you a greater compliment to your efforts if she had tried, Dave Usher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, David Usher.</p>
<p>By focusing scrutiny on those organizations and individuals promoting misandry, you are putting faces and names on some of this nation&#8217;s worst human vermin.</p>
<p>In terms of your exchange of posts with &#8220;amosbatto&#8221;, I concur that your words have struck home with the radical feminists &#8211; the &#8220;man-haters&#8221; who would hide under the guise of another agenda.</p>
<p>Your own words put the matter very articulately:<br />
&#8220;I can tell when an article hits the target because feminist â€œspin artistsâ€ show up pretending that they are not doing what they are doing.</p>
<p>This is the radical feminist style: to pretend equalitariasm in microcosm (as in the comments posted above), while presenting a larger public illusion of innocent female victimhood to expand deeply sexist government programs (as evidenced by the V-Day site).&#8221;</p>
<p>When the feminazi &#8220;spin doctors&#8221; show up to attempt damage control, you know that you must be succeeding in your endeavor to educate the public about the ugly realities behind feminists&#8217; ideology of male-hatred.</p>
<p>She could not have paid you a greater compliment to your efforts if she had tried, Dave Usher.</p>
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		<title>By: christianj</title>
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		<dc:creator>christianj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absoutely right on bothe points.

Feminised lackies always surface when it&#039;s too close to the truth. Always introduce their moronic  miss-logic to counter an argument that answers some of the blatant anti-male hate generated by them, feminist apologists that we have to endure.Still lying and still theorising that feminism actually has some benefit for someone.

Most of those males have an ulterior motive for siding with the feminazies. How much is the &quot;divorce industry&quot; worth to them. It&#039;s their bread and butter, what do they care how much damage they create and carry out in the name of so-called equal-opportunity(sic)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absoutely right on bothe points.</p>
<p>Feminised lackies always surface when it&#8217;s too close to the truth. Always introduce their moronic  miss-logic to counter an argument that answers some of the blatant anti-male hate generated by them, feminist apologists that we have to endure.Still lying and still theorising that feminism actually has some benefit for someone.</p>
<p>Most of those males have an ulterior motive for siding with the feminazies. How much is the &#8220;divorce industry&#8221; worth to them. It&#8217;s their bread and butter, what do they care how much damage they create and carry out in the name of so-called equal-opportunity(sic)</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All,

I can tell when an article hits the target because feminist &quot;spin artists&quot; show up pretending that they are not doing what they are doing.  This is the radical feminist style: to pretend equalitariasm in microcosm (as in the comments posted above), while presenting a larger public illusion of innocent female victimhood to expand deeply sexist government programs (as evidenced by the V-Day site).

The fact is simple: The New York V-Day event is not about doing things to reduce &quot;all&quot; domestic violence regardless of the sex of the victim.  The event is solely focused on men&#039;s violence against women, in an effort to dirty fathers day.  In particular, the political goal of this event is to maintain status quo with regard to VAWA, which ensures that the system only protects victims of abuse when the victim is a woman.

Eve Ensler is a first-degree man hater.  Her writings, which are the centerpiece of the New York event, make this perfectly clear for all to see.  Anybody who says that a feminist V-Day event is equalitarian is lying.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,</p>
<p>I can tell when an article hits the target because feminist &#8220;spin artists&#8221; show up pretending that they are not doing what they are doing.  This is the radical feminist style: to pretend equalitariasm in microcosm (as in the comments posted above), while presenting a larger public illusion of innocent female victimhood to expand deeply sexist government programs (as evidenced by the V-Day site).</p>
<p>The fact is simple: The New York V-Day event is not about doing things to reduce &#8220;all&#8221; domestic violence regardless of the sex of the victim.  The event is solely focused on men&#8217;s violence against women, in an effort to dirty fathers day.  In particular, the political goal of this event is to maintain status quo with regard to VAWA, which ensures that the system only protects victims of abuse when the victim is a woman.</p>
<p>Eve Ensler is a first-degree man hater.  Her writings, which are the centerpiece of the New York event, make this perfectly clear for all to see.  Anybody who says that a feminist V-Day event is equalitarian is lying.<br />
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		<title>By: amosbatto</title>
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		<dc:creator>amosbatto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
I have read a number of critiques of what Christina Hoff-Sommers calls &quot;gender feminism&quot; and I think that they have some validity.  I gather from your previous articles, that you don&#039;t have a problem with &quot;equality feminism&quot;, but do have a problem with &quot;gender feminism&quot; (although you seem to object to using the word &quot;feminism&quot;).

A number of progressive men and women have criticized recent trends in feminism. I spent a long time criticizing Gloria Steniem after I heard her speak 2 years ago. Nonethless, I think you mischaracterize what this rally was about.

Reading the website I can&#039;t see how you concluded that it was &quot;an event that only blames men for domestic violence, and pretends that women are always the victims.&quot;  Even if some of the speakers do advocate &quot;gender feminism&quot;, that doesn&#039;t mean that they are &quot;man-haters&quot; or &quot;supporters of child sexual predation&quot;. I have listened to a number of feminists talk about violence against women.  They usually spend as much time blaming women&#039;s behavior as men&#039;s behavior.  They talk about how relationships can lead to violence if the woman has a low self-image or thinks about herself in certain ways.  They don&#039;t just blame the men--they are primarily interested in transforming women&#039;s attitudes so they won&#039;t become victims of violence. And they don&#039;t say that women should become violent in turn toward their male partners.  They advocate resolution of problems thought mutual respect and negotiation.

There are lots of reasons to disagree with modern feminism, but we don&#039;t have to misrepresent their   position to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
I have read a number of critiques of what Christina Hoff-Sommers calls &#8220;gender feminism&#8221; and I think that they have some validity.  I gather from your previous articles, that you don&#8217;t have a problem with &#8220;equality feminism&#8221;, but do have a problem with &#8220;gender feminism&#8221; (although you seem to object to using the word &#8220;feminism&#8221;).</p>
<p>A number of progressive men and women have criticized recent trends in feminism. I spent a long time criticizing Gloria Steniem after I heard her speak 2 years ago. Nonethless, I think you mischaracterize what this rally was about.</p>
<p>Reading the website I can&#8217;t see how you concluded that it was &#8220;an event that only blames men for domestic violence, and pretends that women are always the victims.&#8221;  Even if some of the speakers do advocate &#8220;gender feminism&#8221;, that doesn&#8217;t mean that they are &#8220;man-haters&#8221; or &#8220;supporters of child sexual predation&#8221;. I have listened to a number of feminists talk about violence against women.  They usually spend as much time blaming women&#8217;s behavior as men&#8217;s behavior.  They talk about how relationships can lead to violence if the woman has a low self-image or thinks about herself in certain ways.  They don&#8217;t just blame the men&#8211;they are primarily interested in transforming women&#8217;s attitudes so they won&#8217;t become victims of violence. And they don&#8217;t say that women should become violent in turn toward their male partners.  They advocate resolution of problems thought mutual respect and negotiation.</p>
<p>There are lots of reasons to disagree with modern feminism, but we don&#8217;t have to misrepresent their   position to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear amosbatto,

Sorry, but it is not possible to make VAWA or the VDAY event in New York appear equalitarian simply by pointing out that a few radical feminist men happen to be participating in the event.

I have met many radical feminist men over the years, who usually make their living destroying other men.  These men are often lawyers, judges, psychologists, or psychiatrists.  One of them, a psychologist, is Warren Farrell -- who once was Vice President of New York N.O.W.  His job was to always blame the husband for all marital disagreements in the counseling sessions he did.   But Warren finally realized what he was doing, could not stand it any more, and ended up leaving the &quot;dark side&quot; to write several best sellers about radical feminism, including &quot;The Myth of Male Power&quot;.

Holding an event that only blames men for domestic violence, and pretends that women are always the victims,  is about as sick as holding an event that only blames blacks for crime.  Neither is acceptable in America.  Ignorance does not make it acceptable either.

The only thing that matters is principles.  It is quite clear what V-Day stands for.  These are principles that no fair minded human being can buy in to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear amosbatto,</p>
<p>Sorry, but it is not possible to make VAWA or the VDAY event in New York appear equalitarian simply by pointing out that a few radical feminist men happen to be participating in the event.</p>
<p>I have met many radical feminist men over the years, who usually make their living destroying other men.  These men are often lawyers, judges, psychologists, or psychiatrists.  One of them, a psychologist, is Warren Farrell &#8212; who once was Vice President of New York N.O.W.  His job was to always blame the husband for all marital disagreements in the counseling sessions he did.   But Warren finally realized what he was doing, could not stand it any more, and ended up leaving the &#8220;dark side&#8221; to write several best sellers about radical feminism, including &#8220;The Myth of Male Power&#8221;.</p>
<p>Holding an event that only blames men for domestic violence, and pretends that women are always the victims,  is about as sick as holding an event that only blames blacks for crime.  Neither is acceptable in America.  Ignorance does not make it acceptable either.</p>
<p>The only thing that matters is principles.  It is quite clear what V-Day stands for.  These are principles that no fair minded human being can buy in to.</p>
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		<title>By: Corporate Gift &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Corporate Gift - The Enron Case That Almost Wasn&#8217;t</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corporate Gift &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Corporate Gift - The Enron Case That Almost Wasn&#8217;t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Avon, the Rockefeller Foundation, and Mary Kay Ash Sponsor Radical &#8230;Men&#8217;s News Daily,&#160;CA&#160;- 12 hours ago&#8230; or sex (or both with regard to black men) is not an acceptable corporate philosophy. &#8230; For Father s Day this year, you can give a wonderful gift by calling Avon &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Avon, the Rockefeller Foundation, and Mary Kay Ash Sponsor Radical &#8230;Men&#8217;s News Daily,&nbsp;CA&nbsp;- 12 hours ago&#8230; or sex (or both with regard to black men) is not an acceptable corporate philosophy. &#8230; For Father s Day this year, you can give a wonderful gift by calling Avon &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: amosbatto</title>
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		<dc:creator>amosbatto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;As a Fathersâ€™ Day â€œcelebrationâ€, Avon and the
&gt;Rockefeller Foundation funded a hysterical public
&gt;lynching of husbands and fathers in New York City,
&gt;featuring known lesbians, man-haters, and
&gt;supporters of child sexual predation such as
&gt;Rosie Oâ€™Donnell, Jane Fonda, Eve Ensler, and
&gt;Marlo Thomas.

This is a patently ridiculous charge.  I&#039;m not even sure how anyone could take this seriously. Many of the speakers at this event are male and many of them are fathers. Edward Albee, Tariq Ali, Michael Cunningham, Ariel Dorfman, Michael Eric Dyson, Dave Eggers, Nicholas Kristof, and Howard Zinn obviously didn&#039;t think that they were participating in a &quot;hysterical public lynching of husbands and fathers&quot;.  Nicholas Kristof is a leading neo-conservative--hardly the type of person who would speak at a rally with &quot;man-haters&quot; and &quot;supporters of child sexual predation&quot;.

These are proud males who are standing up and saying that they are against violence against women.  That message if very different from say  that women are superior to men.

Frankly I don&#039;t know any feminists who think that women are superior to men--even among my lesbian friends.  I have friends who read gender feminist theorists and argue that women are better negotiators, better peace makers, and better at communication, but I have never heard a single one of my feminist friends argue that women are superior to men or that women should try to make themselves superior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;As a Fathersâ€™ Day â€œcelebrationâ€, Avon and the<br />
&gt;Rockefeller Foundation funded a hysterical public<br />
&gt;lynching of husbands and fathers in New York City,<br />
&gt;featuring known lesbians, man-haters, and<br />
&gt;supporters of child sexual predation such as<br />
&gt;Rosie Oâ€™Donnell, Jane Fonda, Eve Ensler, and<br />
&gt;Marlo Thomas.</p>
<p>This is a patently ridiculous charge.  I&#8217;m not even sure how anyone could take this seriously. Many of the speakers at this event are male and many of them are fathers. Edward Albee, Tariq Ali, Michael Cunningham, Ariel Dorfman, Michael Eric Dyson, Dave Eggers, Nicholas Kristof, and Howard Zinn obviously didn&#8217;t think that they were participating in a &#8220;hysterical public lynching of husbands and fathers&#8221;.  Nicholas Kristof is a leading neo-conservative&#8211;hardly the type of person who would speak at a rally with &#8220;man-haters&#8221; and &#8220;supporters of child sexual predation&#8221;.</p>
<p>These are proud males who are standing up and saying that they are against violence against women.  That message if very different from say  that women are superior to men.</p>
<p>Frankly I don&#8217;t know any feminists who think that women are superior to men&#8211;even among my lesbian friends.  I have friends who read gender feminist theorists and argue that women are better negotiators, better peace makers, and better at communication, but I have never heard a single one of my feminist friends argue that women are superior to men or that women should try to make themselves superior.</p>
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