The Modern Day Debtor’s Prison for Dads

2006-06-05
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Think “debtor’s prison” and the mind automatically reels back to the 19th Century and the horrors depicted so powerfully by Charles Dickens. Indeed, even the idea of debtor’s prison is apt to strike modern minds as primitive at its base since how is someone in prison supposed to get the funds to pay off a debt? Debtor’s prison seems barbaric since it can criminalize poverty. It is easy for we moderns to congratulate ourselves on coming out of the confused and confusing worldview that led to something as brutal and counterproductive as debtor’s prison.

Except that debtor’s prison is in fact alive and sick and politically popular in contemporary America. It is known as a crackdown on “deadbeat dads.” Indeed, the common alliterative term “deadbeat dads’ is used because much of our child support system is built upon a single model of a non-custodial parent in arrears, that of the feckless, irresponsible father. That stereotype was not woven out of whole cloth as there are indeed men who father children, could easily support them, and simply choose to avoid their obligations.

However, there are many so-called “deadbeat dads” who do not pay their full court-ordered child support simply because they cannot. Our present legal system makes criminals out of them even when their failure is for reasons that are no fault of their own.

The Bradley Amendment, named after its originator Senator Bill Bradley, was passed by Congress in 1986 to further the cause of child support collection and render child support collection laws uniform across the United States. It automatically puts in a non-expiring lien on non-custodial parents, the vast majority of whom are fathers, whenever child support is past due. The Bradley Amendment does not permit judicial discretion and requires child support payments be made regardless of the obligor’s physical capability.

The Wikipedia reports that the Bradley Amendment has led to some breathtaking injustices against fathers: “A veteran of the first Gulf War who was captured in Kuwait in 1990 and spent nearly five months as an Iraqi hostage being arrested the night after his release for not paying child support while he was a hostage.

A Texas man wrongly accused in 1980 of murder. After 10 years in prison, the man sued the state for wrongful imprisonment. The state responded with a bill for nearly $50,000 in child support that had not been paid while in prison.”

The above are horror stories. But on a day-to-day basis, our child support enforcement makes criminals out of men who are doing their best and still not making it. The Wikipedia cites Ford Foundation Project Officer Ronald B. Mincy as finding that between 16-33% of obligors are “turnip dads” who earn less than $130 per week.

In our enthusiasm to ensure that children are adequately supported, we have adopted measures as crazy as trying to squeeze blood from turnips and far more inhumane since they in fact oppress human beings, usually men, on the grounds of their poverty.

The best Father’s Day present we can give to America’s struggling dads is to end our modern day debtor’s prison as it applies to those who are legitimately unable to meet their court-ordered child support payments.

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  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    It is already illegal. 42 U.S.C. §1994 declares null and void all court orders the require employment to pay any debt or obligation. Threatening imprisonment to coerce such employment is peonage. 18 U.S.C. §1581 declares this a felony punishable by up to 20 years of imprisonment.
    But everybody, including the fathers’ advocates like David Usher, Stephen Baskerville, Denise Noe, Glenn Sacks, and Phyllis Schafly, act like they do not know that the Antipeonage Act exists.
    Come on folks! You describe the problem eloquently.
    The solution is to scream for the enforcement of the Peonage Law. Scream loud enough and long enough, and maybe 12 or 13 members of a federal grand jury will hear you. They decide to do something about it, IT IS OVER!
    Louder, please. I can’t hear you.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    It is already illegal. 42 U.S.C. §1994 declares null and void all court orders the require employment to pay any debt or obligation. Threatening imprisonment to coerce such employment is peonage. 18 U.S.C. §1581 declares this a felony punishable by up to 20 years of imprisonment.
    But everybody, including the fathers’ advocates like David Usher, Stephen Baskerville, Denise Noe, Glenn Sacks, and Phyllis Schafly, act like they do not know that the Antipeonage Act exists.
    Come on folks! You describe the problem eloquently.
    The solution is to scream for the enforcement of the Peonage Law. Scream loud enough and long enough, and maybe 12 or 13 members of a federal grand jury will hear you. They decide to do something about it, IT IS OVER!
    Louder, please. I can’t hear you.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    It is already illegal. 42 U.S.C. §1994 declares null and void all court orders the require employment to pay any debt or obligation. Threatening imprisonment to coerce such employment is peonage. 18 U.S.C. §1581 declares this a felony punishable by up to 20 years of imprisonment.
    But everybody, including the fathers’ advocates like David Usher, Stephen Baskerville, Denise Noe, Glenn Sacks, and Phyllis Schafly, act like they do not know that the Antipeonage Act exists.
    Come on folks! You describe the problem eloquently.
    The solution is to scream for the enforcement of the Peonage Law. Scream loud enough and long enough, and maybe 12 or 13 members of a federal grand jury will hear you. They decide to do something about it, IT IS OVER!
    Louder, please. I can’t hear you.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    It is already illegal. 42 U.S.C. §1994 declares null and void all court orders the require employment to pay any debt or obligation. Threatening imprisonment to coerce such employment is peonage. 18 U.S.C. §1581 declares this a felony punishable by up to 20 years of imprisonment.
    But everybody, including the fathers’ advocates like David Usher, Stephen Baskerville, Denise Noe, Glenn Sacks, and Phyllis Schafly, act like they do not know that the Antipeonage Act exists.
    Come on folks! You describe the problem eloquently.
    The solution is to scream for the enforcement of the Peonage Law. Scream loud enough and long enough, and maybe 12 or 13 members of a federal grand jury will hear you. They decide to do something about it, IT IS OVER!
    Louder, please. I can’t hear you.

  • mruffolo

    My Support Report issued by Kane County Illinois’ Circuit Clerk for Family Court has not been accurate for last three years.

    This is due to:
    1) Clerks do not having experience or education on basic accounting principles
    2) Report missed payments
    3) Clerk refused to post credits from cancelled checks and or pay stubs
    4) County’s computer inability to prorate
    5) Financial incentive – Social Security gives them up to $4.1 billion dollars to create debit among other things
    http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title04/0458.htm
    6) 2-4 week delay in payment posting because county clerks manually keypunch payments for the whole county from a report issued by the state. (Dads are ordered to pay state not county)

    http://www.cic.co.kane.il.us

    In addition, it is impossible to reconcile the Support Report because their Support Report does not list document numbers of payments, for example, check number or pay stub number.

    I reported this to my congressmen. They said that it was a local matter.

    Men do not get married. It is not worth it.

    To Roger Knight’s point. A family judge cares less about a father’s rights. If your suggestion works, then every divorce lawyer would use it. But do not take my word for it, visit your county’s courthouse between 9 and noon Monday through Wednesday. It’s free.

  • mruffolo

    My Support Report issued by Kane County Illinois’ Circuit Clerk for Family Court has not been accurate for last three years.

    This is due to:
    1) Clerks do not having experience or education on basic accounting principles
    2) Report missed payments
    3) Clerk refused to post credits from cancelled checks and or pay stubs
    4) County’s computer inability to prorate
    5) Financial incentive – Social Security gives them up to $4.1 billion dollars to create debit among other things
    http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title04/0458.htm
    6) 2-4 week delay in payment posting because county clerks manually keypunch payments for the whole county from a report issued by the state. (Dads are ordered to pay state not county)

    http://www.cic.co.kane.il.us

    In addition, it is impossible to reconcile the Support Report because their Support Report does not list document numbers of payments, for example, check number or pay stub number.

    I reported this to my congressmen. They said that it was a local matter.

    Men do not get married. It is not worth it.

    To Roger Knight’s point. A family judge cares less about a father’s rights. If your suggestion works, then every divorce lawyer would use it. But do not take my word for it, visit your county’s courthouse between 9 and noon Monday through Wednesday. It’s free.

  • mruffolo

    My Support Report issued by Kane County Illinois’ Circuit Clerk for Family Court has not been accurate for last three years.

    This is due to:
    1) Clerks do not having experience or education on basic accounting principles
    2) Report missed payments
    3) Clerk refused to post credits from cancelled checks and or pay stubs
    4) County’s computer inability to prorate
    5) Financial incentive – Social Security gives them up to $4.1 billion dollars to create debit among other things
    http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title04/0458.htm
    6) 2-4 week delay in payment posting because county clerks manually keypunch payments for the whole county from a report issued by the state. (Dads are ordered to pay state not county)

    http://www.cic.co.kane.il.us

    In addition, it is impossible to reconcile the Support Report because their Support Report does not list document numbers of payments, for example, check number or pay stub number.

    I reported this to my congressmen. They said that it was a local matter.

    Men do not get married. It is not worth it.

    To Roger Knight’s point. A family judge cares less about a father’s rights. If your suggestion works, then every divorce lawyer would use it. But do not take my word for it, visit your county’s courthouse between 9 and noon Monday through Wednesday. It’s free.

  • mruffolo

    My Support Report issued by Kane County Illinois’ Circuit Clerk for Family Court has not been accurate for last three years.

    This is due to:
    1) Clerks do not having experience or education on basic accounting principles
    2) Report missed payments
    3) Clerk refused to post credits from cancelled checks and or pay stubs
    4) County’s computer inability to prorate
    5) Financial incentive – Social Security gives them up to $4.1 billion dollars to create debit among other things
    http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title04/0458.htm
    6) 2-4 week delay in payment posting because county clerks manually keypunch payments for the whole county from a report issued by the state. (Dads are ordered to pay state not county)

    http://www.cic.co.kane.il.us

    In addition, it is impossible to reconcile the Support Report because their Support Report does not list document numbers of payments, for example, check number or pay stub number.

    I reported this to my congressmen. They said that it was a local matter.

    Men do not get married. It is not worth it.

    To Roger Knight’s point. A family judge cares less about a father’s rights. If your suggestion works, then every divorce lawyer would use it. But do not take my word for it, visit your county’s courthouse between 9 and noon Monday through Wednesday. It’s free.

  • fourthwire

    Roger, I’m not going to pretend that I understand the Antipeonage Act any better than you do.

    I would like to note that those judges who imprison men for failing to pay vaginamony or child support get around that law rather easily by simply claiming that their sentences are a result of being in contempt of the Family Court rulings requiring payments, rather than for actually falling behind on their payments.

  • fourthwire

    Roger, I’m not going to pretend that I understand the Antipeonage Act any better than you do.

    I would like to note that those judges who imprison men for failing to pay vaginamony or child support get around that law rather easily by simply claiming that their sentences are a result of being in contempt of the Family Court rulings requiring payments, rather than for actually falling behind on their payments.

  • fourthwire

    Roger, I’m not going to pretend that I understand the Antipeonage Act any better than you do.

    I would like to note that those judges who imprison men for failing to pay vaginamony or child support get around that law rather easily by simply claiming that their sentences are a result of being in contempt of the Family Court rulings requiring payments, rather than for actually falling behind on their payments.

  • fourthwire

    Roger, I’m not going to pretend that I understand the Antipeonage Act any better than you do.

    I would like to note that those judges who imprison men for failing to pay vaginamony or child support get around that law rather easily by simply claiming that their sentences are a result of being in contempt of the Family Court rulings requiring payments, rather than for actually falling behind on their payments.

  • nlevy01

    In December 2001 I lost my 105K per year job, I was paying child support for my 2 girls (Joint Legal Custody, Every other weekend, 2 nights a week and 2 weeks during the summer + alternating holiday’s parenting time) I had always paid on time and I am the best dad that I can be, I do everything for my kids, coach the teams, fishing trips, lots of hugs.

    I was remarried at the time with a new 6 month old daughter. In 2002 I earned 35k, the Courts imputed 80K, thus since I could not pay the amount imputed I was arrested 4 times, spent a total of 12 day’s in jail, had my drivers license suspended 3 times, lost my house, my health insurance, my life savings of over $100k and I had to claim bankruptcy. I had the police assault me in my house in front of my youngest daughter, then drag me out in my underwear in front of all my neighbors. 5 years later I live in my mother-in-laws house, we still do not have health insurance, my daughter is afraid of the police and every time I leave the house she cries and asks if I am coming back. I am still in CS Arrears ($3500), my wife and I are in therapy, and after 4 years and 40K in lawyer fees + many Pro Se attempts and a Pro Se Appeal, I was able to get a reduction in child support, the reduction was so minimal that we still cannot afford to move to our own place.

    This is what they do to an Educated Army Veteran, a family man who was never unemployed a day in his life. It was easier for the system to destroy me and my family then to help me find meaningful employment and to come to a settlement that was fair to everyone. The Courts decided that my first two daughters were more important then my third daughter, that’s why they took $1140 out of my monthly $1600 unemployment check. That is correct, and this was before taxes, at one point, me, my wife and my daughter were supposed to live on $300 per month after taxes.

    At the same time, my ex lives in the house that I bought, she drives a Jaguar, and has a brand new husband, she filed three false domestic violence complaints, each time she purged herself in court and the judges did nothing except dismiss the “TRO” (I spent time in Jail for this too). One time she filed a DV complaint and I wasn’t even in the state, the day I got back from my trip the police arrested me. I spent 6 day’s in jail and had to borrow $3500 from family to get out, all on a false report.

    I love my wife and all my children, but my advice to any unmarried man in any country that is a western style democracy (USA, EU, AUS, NZ) DON’T GET MARRIED, DON”T HAVE CHILDREN. The pain of having taking away the one thing that brings you the most incredible joy is not worth the couple of hours a week you get as a visitor.

    The Feminist controlled Family Court System is evil, it destroys lives, it destroys families and it is destroying the very fabric of our nation. The only way to change it is by removing the financial incentives that the federal government gives the states for putting dads in jail and for collecting CS.

    FYI:
    Every law has a loophole, when we use the 42 U.S.C. §1994 defense in New Jersey the Judges say they are jailing you for contempt of court, not for the dept itself. That’s why even when they knew I could not pay they still incarcerated me because I was in contempt of the order to pay. Figure that one out!

    You have got to admire the thought process, Judges in New Jersey are appointed not elected, so to become a judge you don’t have to be a good lawyer and in many cases you don’t even have to have been a trial lawyer. It is all who you know. And the more divorces and custody cases the more Judges are needed and the more layers, psychologists, probation officers, collection agents, jails, correction officers, etc, etc. It’s a multi-billion dollar government business. I am not admitting defeat, but I don’t think we can change it unless we figure out a way to make shared parenting and fair/manageable child support more profitable to the government leaches then the current system.

    My probation officer (Yes I am a criminal now) told me the following, and I quote “This system is not perfect, I am just a high paid button pusher, when it pops up on my screen that you missed two payments, I send the warrant to the judge for signature, that’s it, and I can’t help you with anything”

    Join the yahoo message board:
    ParentsUnitedforEqualParenting@yahoogroups.com

    Website and more info coming soon.

    It can only get better, for if it gets worse then anarchy will surely ensue.

  • nlevy01

    In December 2001 I lost my 105K per year job, I was paying child support for my 2 girls (Joint Legal Custody, Every other weekend, 2 nights a week and 2 weeks during the summer + alternating holiday’s parenting time) I had always paid on time and I am the best dad that I can be, I do everything for my kids, coach the teams, fishing trips, lots of hugs.

    I was remarried at the time with a new 6 month old daughter. In 2002 I earned 35k, the Courts imputed 80K, thus since I could not pay the amount imputed I was arrested 4 times, spent a total of 12 day’s in jail, had my drivers license suspended 3 times, lost my house, my health insurance, my life savings of over $100k and I had to claim bankruptcy. I had the police assault me in my house in front of my youngest daughter, then drag me out in my underwear in front of all my neighbors. 5 years later I live in my mother-in-laws house, we still do not have health insurance, my daughter is afraid of the police and every time I leave the house she cries and asks if I am coming back. I am still in CS Arrears ($3500), my wife and I are in therapy, and after 4 years and 40K in lawyer fees + many Pro Se attempts and a Pro Se Appeal, I was able to get a reduction in child support, the reduction was so minimal that we still cannot afford to move to our own place.

    This is what they do to an Educated Army Veteran, a family man who was never unemployed a day in his life. It was easier for the system to destroy me and my family then to help me find meaningful employment and to come to a settlement that was fair to everyone. The Courts decided that my first two daughters were more important then my third daughter, that’s why they took $1140 out of my monthly $1600 unemployment check. That is correct, and this was before taxes, at one point, me, my wife and my daughter were supposed to live on $300 per month after taxes.

    At the same time, my ex lives in the house that I bought, she drives a Jaguar, and has a brand new husband, she filed three false domestic violence complaints, each time she purged herself in court and the judges did nothing except dismiss the “TRO” (I spent time in Jail for this too). One time she filed a DV complaint and I wasn’t even in the state, the day I got back from my trip the police arrested me. I spent 6 day’s in jail and had to borrow $3500 from family to get out, all on a false report.

    I love my wife and all my children, but my advice to any unmarried man in any country that is a western style democracy (USA, EU, AUS, NZ) DON’T GET MARRIED, DON”T HAVE CHILDREN. The pain of having taking away the one thing that brings you the most incredible joy is not worth the couple of hours a week you get as a visitor.

    The Feminist controlled Family Court System is evil, it destroys lives, it destroys families and it is destroying the very fabric of our nation. The only way to change it is by removing the financial incentives that the federal government gives the states for putting dads in jail and for collecting CS.

    FYI:
    Every law has a loophole, when we use the 42 U.S.C. §1994 defense in New Jersey the Judges say they are jailing you for contempt of court, not for the dept itself. That’s why even when they knew I could not pay they still incarcerated me because I was in contempt of the order to pay. Figure that one out!

    You have got to admire the thought process, Judges in New Jersey are appointed not elected, so to become a judge you don’t have to be a good lawyer and in many cases you don’t even have to have been a trial lawyer. It is all who you know. And the more divorces and custody cases the more Judges are needed and the more layers, psychologists, probation officers, collection agents, jails, correction officers, etc, etc. It’s a multi-billion dollar government business. I am not admitting defeat, but I don’t think we can change it unless we figure out a way to make shared parenting and fair/manageable child support more profitable to the government leaches then the current system.

    My probation officer (Yes I am a criminal now) told me the following, and I quote “This system is not perfect, I am just a high paid button pusher, when it pops up on my screen that you missed two payments, I send the warrant to the judge for signature, that’s it, and I can’t help you with anything”

    Join the yahoo message board:
    ParentsUnitedforEqualParenting@yahoogroups.com

    Website and more info coming soon.

    It can only get better, for if it gets worse then anarchy will surely ensue.

  • nlevy01

    In December 2001 I lost my 105K per year job, I was paying child support for my 2 girls (Joint Legal Custody, Every other weekend, 2 nights a week and 2 weeks during the summer + alternating holiday’s parenting time) I had always paid on time and I am the best dad that I can be, I do everything for my kids, coach the teams, fishing trips, lots of hugs.

    I was remarried at the time with a new 6 month old daughter. In 2002 I earned 35k, the Courts imputed 80K, thus since I could not pay the amount imputed I was arrested 4 times, spent a total of 12 day’s in jail, had my drivers license suspended 3 times, lost my house, my health insurance, my life savings of over $100k and I had to claim bankruptcy. I had the police assault me in my house in front of my youngest daughter, then drag me out in my underwear in front of all my neighbors. 5 years later I live in my mother-in-laws house, we still do not have health insurance, my daughter is afraid of the police and every time I leave the house she cries and asks if I am coming back. I am still in CS Arrears ($3500), my wife and I are in therapy, and after 4 years and 40K in lawyer fees + many Pro Se attempts and a Pro Se Appeal, I was able to get a reduction in child support, the reduction was so minimal that we still cannot afford to move to our own place.

    This is what they do to an Educated Army Veteran, a family man who was never unemployed a day in his life. It was easier for the system to destroy me and my family then to help me find meaningful employment and to come to a settlement that was fair to everyone. The Courts decided that my first two daughters were more important then my third daughter, that’s why they took $1140 out of my monthly $1600 unemployment check. That is correct, and this was before taxes, at one point, me, my wife and my daughter were supposed to live on $300 per month after taxes.

    At the same time, my ex lives in the house that I bought, she drives a Jaguar, and has a brand new husband, she filed three false domestic violence complaints, each time she purged herself in court and the judges did nothing except dismiss the “TRO” (I spent time in Jail for this too). One time she filed a DV complaint and I wasn’t even in the state, the day I got back from my trip the police arrested me. I spent 6 day’s in jail and had to borrow $3500 from family to get out, all on a false report.

    I love my wife and all my children, but my advice to any unmarried man in any country that is a western style democracy (USA, EU, AUS, NZ) DON’T GET MARRIED, DON”T HAVE CHILDREN. The pain of having taking away the one thing that brings you the most incredible joy is not worth the couple of hours a week you get as a visitor.

    The Feminist controlled Family Court System is evil, it destroys lives, it destroys families and it is destroying the very fabric of our nation. The only way to change it is by removing the financial incentives that the federal government gives the states for putting dads in jail and for collecting CS.

    FYI:
    Every law has a loophole, when we use the 42 U.S.C. §1994 defense in New Jersey the Judges say they are jailing you for contempt of court, not for the dept itself. That’s why even when they knew I could not pay they still incarcerated me because I was in contempt of the order to pay. Figure that one out!

    You have got to admire the thought process, Judges in New Jersey are appointed not elected, so to become a judge you don’t have to be a good lawyer and in many cases you don’t even have to have been a trial lawyer. It is all who you know. And the more divorces and custody cases the more Judges are needed and the more layers, psychologists, probation officers, collection agents, jails, correction officers, etc, etc. It’s a multi-billion dollar government business. I am not admitting defeat, but I don’t think we can change it unless we figure out a way to make shared parenting and fair/manageable child support more profitable to the government leaches then the current system.

    My probation officer (Yes I am a criminal now) told me the following, and I quote “This system is not perfect, I am just a high paid button pusher, when it pops up on my screen that you missed two payments, I send the warrant to the judge for signature, that’s it, and I can’t help you with anything”

    Join the yahoo message board:
    ParentsUnitedforEqualParenting@yahoogroups.com

    Website and more info coming soon.

    It can only get better, for if it gets worse then anarchy will surely ensue.

  • nlevy01

    In December 2001 I lost my 105K per year job, I was paying child support for my 2 girls (Joint Legal Custody, Every other weekend, 2 nights a week and 2 weeks during the summer + alternating holiday’s parenting time) I had always paid on time and I am the best dad that I can be, I do everything for my kids, coach the teams, fishing trips, lots of hugs.

    I was remarried at the time with a new 6 month old daughter. In 2002 I earned 35k, the Courts imputed 80K, thus since I could not pay the amount imputed I was arrested 4 times, spent a total of 12 day’s in jail, had my drivers license suspended 3 times, lost my house, my health insurance, my life savings of over $100k and I had to claim bankruptcy. I had the police assault me in my house in front of my youngest daughter, then drag me out in my underwear in front of all my neighbors. 5 years later I live in my mother-in-laws house, we still do not have health insurance, my daughter is afraid of the police and every time I leave the house she cries and asks if I am coming back. I am still in CS Arrears ($3500), my wife and I are in therapy, and after 4 years and 40K in lawyer fees + many Pro Se attempts and a Pro Se Appeal, I was able to get a reduction in child support, the reduction was so minimal that we still cannot afford to move to our own place.

    This is what they do to an Educated Army Veteran, a family man who was never unemployed a day in his life. It was easier for the system to destroy me and my family then to help me find meaningful employment and to come to a settlement that was fair to everyone. The Courts decided that my first two daughters were more important then my third daughter, that’s why they took $1140 out of my monthly $1600 unemployment check. That is correct, and this was before taxes, at one point, me, my wife and my daughter were supposed to live on $300 per month after taxes.

    At the same time, my ex lives in the house that I bought, she drives a Jaguar, and has a brand new husband, she filed three false domestic violence complaints, each time she purged herself in court and the judges did nothing except dismiss the “TRO” (I spent time in Jail for this too). One time she filed a DV complaint and I wasn’t even in the state, the day I got back from my trip the police arrested me. I spent 6 day’s in jail and had to borrow $3500 from family to get out, all on a false report.

    I love my wife and all my children, but my advice to any unmarried man in any country that is a western style democracy (USA, EU, AUS, NZ) DON’T GET MARRIED, DON”T HAVE CHILDREN. The pain of having taking away the one thing that brings you the most incredible joy is not worth the couple of hours a week you get as a visitor.

    The Feminist controlled Family Court System is evil, it destroys lives, it destroys families and it is destroying the very fabric of our nation. The only way to change it is by removing the financial incentives that the federal government gives the states for putting dads in jail and for collecting CS.

    FYI:
    Every law has a loophole, when we use the 42 U.S.C. §1994 defense in New Jersey the Judges say they are jailing you for contempt of court, not for the dept itself. That’s why even when they knew I could not pay they still incarcerated me because I was in contempt of the order to pay. Figure that one out!

    You have got to admire the thought process, Judges in New Jersey are appointed not elected, so to become a judge you don’t have to be a good lawyer and in many cases you don’t even have to have been a trial lawyer. It is all who you know. And the more divorces and custody cases the more Judges are needed and the more layers, psychologists, probation officers, collection agents, jails, correction officers, etc, etc. It’s a multi-billion dollar government business. I am not admitting defeat, but I don’t think we can change it unless we figure out a way to make shared parenting and fair/manageable child support more profitable to the government leaches then the current system.

    My probation officer (Yes I am a criminal now) told me the following, and I quote “This system is not perfect, I am just a high paid button pusher, when it pops up on my screen that you missed two payments, I send the warrant to the judge for signature, that’s it, and I can’t help you with anything”

    Join the yahoo message board:
    ParentsUnitedforEqualParenting@yahoogroups.com

    Website and more info coming soon.

    It can only get better, for if it gets worse then anarchy will surely ensue.

  • Obtestor

    [It can only get better, for if it gets worse then anarchy will surely ensue.]

    Wow, sorry to hear what has happened to you! I can’t believe that they did that to you being a U.S. Veteran and all. They have never served their country, have never put their life on the line for their country under enemy fire, so they do not understand you. I understand you perfectly.

    The shared-parenting plan that you propose will not help the tens of millions of men that have been victimized by American goddess worship. American courts today are operated by satanic functionaries that have declared war upon the American family. Many of them are homosexuals and pedophiles and they cannot be trusted around children, let alone making decisions on their behalf.

    The goddess vagina court-queen herself, USSC Sandra Day O’Conner, spoke in an article yesterday that the “judiciary” was in “danger” because of the American “right wing”. There is a Senator in Texas who said that the recent shootings of lawyers and judges by Americans was due to bad decisions by American courts. O’Connor was quick to blame the “right-wing” and then she laughably claimed that any decision a court makes should not place judges and their functionaries in any “danger”.

    That is pretty much how Hitler, Stalin and their cronies operated. It is all about the folks who have the power (women) and are not willing to relinquish that power or even share power with men. They have a vigina dictatorship going on and they are using brute force to impose its satanic tyrannical will over the rest of the American people.

    What communist functionaries like Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor fail to recognize is that it was their failure to impose the law in 1973 that triggered this mess. The second point that O’Connor fails to recognize is that claiming that the “judiciary” is in “danger” is simply her own paranoid delusions. If men wanted to make this a bloody situation and take it all back, we could take it all back. I am talking about cleansing the entire country at the same time with incredible levels of organization and just doing it. Has that happened? Of course not.

    What communist functionaries like O’Connor are concerned about is that there are “any” rejections of their perversions. Like other dictators, they don’t want anyone to resist their perverse legal decisions. So when the occasional judge or lawyer is assassinated by some criminal or desperate individual, communist functionaires like O’Connor immediately become histrionic and rush to the media with leftist claims that a vast, vast, super vast, endless right-wing conspiracy is working against them. If the right-wing was really working against the communist O’Connor, the USSC would be engulfed in flames and everyone in DC would be running for their very lives. Since that has not occurred, it is clear that no such conspiracy exists, and it is just part of her ideology’s collectivist delusion. Remember, this is the same walking and talking vagina that instructed U.S. courts to look to “international law” for guidance with the interpretation of American law. Her loyalties rest outside the United States and probably entail an allegience to foreign, international powers. She has sold out the American people, like most of the others of her ilk.

    In the early 1930s, the USSC used to be in the basement of the Hart Senate building. Before every session they used to say a prayer. Communists like O’Connor will never mention that American judicial history. The gravest mistake that the US Senate made was to allow the USSC out of the basement and into their own building. Once the USSC got their own building, they became isolated and a zone of silence appeared between them and the “people”.

    The nefarious family court problem in the United States is a product of communists like O’Connor. Why does “family court” need its own overweight guards, its own metal detectors, its own law void of constitutional protections and elimination of due process? The answer is simple. It is an undemocratic institution that has separated itself from the people, as the USSC itself has been separated from normal Americans since the 1930s.

    Any legal activity in America that does not involve a jury trial proceeding is unconstitutional. That will be one of the main objectives when men restructure American courts.

    Family courts think they have the power of the USSC. It is a shame that the judge in the perverse
    family court that you went to put you in jail. There will be a time in the future when the names of all men who have been placed in jail by vagina ideology functionaries will be needed for consolidation as witnesses to crimes against humanity when these systems are finally restructured. Like the Nazis and Soviets that came before them, they think they are outside the law, but as students of history we know that all tyrannical regimes (even judiciaries) fail one way or the other.

    There are some pretty brilliant men in the Men’s Rights Movement. I am thinking if you hang in there you will celebrate male victory over this perverse system in your lifetime.

    Ignore women like O’connor and the other vagina ideology feminists. Their power is fading and they are not happy about it. They don’t want any discussion about their perverse system. That is why the guy who wrote a book about his family court experience had the judge go after him personally. These people think they are above the law, that they can pervert the law into whatever it is that they want it to be on any given day, and I am thinking that American men are finally saying…no.

    In Sum, their perverse system doesn’t want good, loyal men like you to figure out that a man has more rights living under Taliban rule than here in America.

  • Obtestor

    [It can only get better, for if it gets worse then anarchy will surely ensue.]

    Wow, sorry to hear what has happened to you! I can’t believe that they did that to you being a U.S. Veteran and all. They have never served their country, have never put their life on the line for their country under enemy fire, so they do not understand you. I understand you perfectly.

    The shared-parenting plan that you propose will not help the tens of millions of men that have been victimized by American goddess worship. American courts today are operated by satanic functionaries that have declared war upon the American family. Many of them are homosexuals and pedophiles and they cannot be trusted around children, let alone making decisions on their behalf.

    The goddess vagina court-queen herself, USSC Sandra Day O’Conner, spoke in an article yesterday that the “judiciary” was in “danger” because of the American “right wing”. There is a Senator in Texas who said that the recent shootings of lawyers and judges by Americans was due to bad decisions by American courts. O’Connor was quick to blame the “right-wing” and then she laughably claimed that any decision a court makes should not place judges and their functionaries in any “danger”.

    That is pretty much how Hitler, Stalin and their cronies operated. It is all about the folks who have the power (women) and are not willing to relinquish that power or even share power with men. They have a vigina dictatorship going on and they are using brute force to impose its satanic tyrannical will over the rest of the American people.

    What communist functionaries like Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor fail to recognize is that it was their failure to impose the law in 1973 that triggered this mess. The second point that O’Connor fails to recognize is that claiming that the “judiciary” is in “danger” is simply her own paranoid delusions. If men wanted to make this a bloody situation and take it all back, we could take it all back. I am talking about cleansing the entire country at the same time with incredible levels of organization and just doing it. Has that happened? Of course not.

    What communist functionaries like O’Connor are concerned about is that there are “any” rejections of their perversions. Like other dictators, they don’t want anyone to resist their perverse legal decisions. So when the occasional judge or lawyer is assassinated by some criminal or desperate individual, communist functionaires like O’Connor immediately become histrionic and rush to the media with leftist claims that a vast, vast, super vast, endless right-wing conspiracy is working against them. If the right-wing was really working against the communist O’Connor, the USSC would be engulfed in flames and everyone in DC would be running for their very lives. Since that has not occurred, it is clear that no such conspiracy exists, and it is just part of her ideology’s collectivist delusion. Remember, this is the same walking and talking vagina that instructed U.S. courts to look to “international law” for guidance with the interpretation of American law. Her loyalties rest outside the United States and probably entail an allegience to foreign, international powers. She has sold out the American people, like most of the others of her ilk.

    In the early 1930s, the USSC used to be in the basement of the Hart Senate building. Before every session they used to say a prayer. Communists like O’Connor will never mention that American judicial history. The gravest mistake that the US Senate made was to allow the USSC out of the basement and into their own building. Once the USSC got their own building, they became isolated and a zone of silence appeared between them and the “people”.

    The nefarious family court problem in the United States is a product of communists like O’Connor. Why does “family court” need its own overweight guards, its own metal detectors, its own law void of constitutional protections and elimination of due process? The answer is simple. It is an undemocratic institution that has separated itself from the people, as the USSC itself has been separated from normal Americans since the 1930s.

    Any legal activity in America that does not involve a jury trial proceeding is unconstitutional. That will be one of the main objectives when men restructure American courts.

    Family courts think they have the power of the USSC. It is a shame that the judge in the perverse
    family court that you went to put you in jail. There will be a time in the future when the names of all men who have been placed in jail by vagina ideology functionaries will be needed for consolidation as witnesses to crimes against humanity when these systems are finally restructured. Like the Nazis and Soviets that came before them, they think they are outside the law, but as students of history we know that all tyrannical regimes (even judiciaries) fail one way or the other.

    There are some pretty brilliant men in the Men’s Rights Movement. I am thinking if you hang in there you will celebrate male victory over this perverse system in your lifetime.

    Ignore women like O’connor and the other vagina ideology feminists. Their power is fading and they are not happy about it. They don’t want any discussion about their perverse system. That is why the guy who wrote a book about his family court experience had the judge go after him personally. These people think they are above the law, that they can pervert the law into whatever it is that they want it to be on any given day, and I am thinking that American men are finally saying…no.

    In Sum, their perverse system doesn’t want good, loyal men like you to figure out that a man has more rights living under Taliban rule than here in America.

  • Obtestor

    [It can only get better, for if it gets worse then anarchy will surely ensue.]

    Wow, sorry to hear what has happened to you! I can’t believe that they did that to you being a U.S. Veteran and all. They have never served their country, have never put their life on the line for their country under enemy fire, so they do not understand you. I understand you perfectly.

    The shared-parenting plan that you propose will not help the tens of millions of men that have been victimized by American goddess worship. American courts today are operated by satanic functionaries that have declared war upon the American family. Many of them are homosexuals and pedophiles and they cannot be trusted around children, let alone making decisions on their behalf.

    The goddess vagina court-queen herself, USSC Sandra Day O’Conner, spoke in an article yesterday that the “judiciary” was in “danger” because of the American “right wing”. There is a Senator in Texas who said that the recent shootings of lawyers and judges by Americans was due to bad decisions by American courts. O’Connor was quick to blame the “right-wing” and then she laughably claimed that any decision a court makes should not place judges and their functionaries in any “danger”.

    That is pretty much how Hitler, Stalin and their cronies operated. It is all about the folks who have the power (women) and are not willing to relinquish that power or even share power with men. They have a vigina dictatorship going on and they are using brute force to impose its satanic tyrannical will over the rest of the American people.

    What communist functionaries like Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor fail to recognize is that it was their failure to impose the law in 1973 that triggered this mess. The second point that O’Connor fails to recognize is that claiming that the “judiciary” is in “danger” is simply her own paranoid delusions. If men wanted to make this a bloody situation and take it all back, we could take it all back. I am talking about cleansing the entire country at the same time with incredible levels of organization and just doing it. Has that happened? Of course not.

    What communist functionaries like O’Connor are concerned about is that there are “any” rejections of their perversions. Like other dictators, they don’t want anyone to resist their perverse legal decisions. So when the occasional judge or lawyer is assassinated by some criminal or desperate individual, communist functionaires like O’Connor immediately become histrionic and rush to the media with leftist claims that a vast, vast, super vast, endless right-wing conspiracy is working against them. If the right-wing was really working against the communist O’Connor, the USSC would be engulfed in flames and everyone in DC would be running for their very lives. Since that has not occurred, it is clear that no such conspiracy exists, and it is just part of her ideology’s collectivist delusion. Remember, this is the same walking and talking vagina that instructed U.S. courts to look to “international law” for guidance with the interpretation of American law. Her loyalties rest outside the United States and probably entail an allegience to foreign, international powers. She has sold out the American people, like most of the others of her ilk.

    In the early 1930s, the USSC used to be in the basement of the Hart Senate building. Before every session they used to say a prayer. Communists like O’Connor will never mention that American judicial history. The gravest mistake that the US Senate made was to allow the USSC out of the basement and into their own building. Once the USSC got their own building, they became isolated and a zone of silence appeared between them and the “people”.

    The nefarious family court problem in the United States is a product of communists like O’Connor. Why does “family court” need its own overweight guards, its own metal detectors, its own law void of constitutional protections and elimination of due process? The answer is simple. It is an undemocratic institution that has separated itself from the people, as the USSC itself has been separated from normal Americans since the 1930s.

    Any legal activity in America that does not involve a jury trial proceeding is unconstitutional. That will be one of the main objectives when men restructure American courts.

    Family courts think they have the power of the USSC. It is a shame that the judge in the perverse
    family court that you went to put you in jail. There will be a time in the future when the names of all men who have been placed in jail by vagina ideology functionaries will be needed for consolidation as witnesses to crimes against humanity when these systems are finally restructured. Like the Nazis and Soviets that came before them, they think they are outside the law, but as students of history we know that all tyrannical regimes (even judiciaries) fail one way or the other.

    There are some pretty brilliant men in the Men’s Rights Movement. I am thinking if you hang in there you will celebrate male victory over this perverse system in your lifetime.

    Ignore women like O’connor and the other vagina ideology feminists. Their power is fading and they are not happy about it. They don’t want any discussion about their perverse system. That is why the guy who wrote a book about his family court experience had the judge go after him personally. These people think they are above the law, that they can pervert the law into whatever it is that they want it to be on any given day, and I am thinking that American men are finally saying…no.

    In Sum, their perverse system doesn’t want good, loyal men like you to figure out that a man has more rights living under Taliban rule than here in America.

  • Obtestor

    [It can only get better, for if it gets worse then anarchy will surely ensue.]

    Wow, sorry to hear what has happened to you! I can’t believe that they did that to you being a U.S. Veteran and all. They have never served their country, have never put their life on the line for their country under enemy fire, so they do not understand you. I understand you perfectly.

    The shared-parenting plan that you propose will not help the tens of millions of men that have been victimized by American goddess worship. American courts today are operated by satanic functionaries that have declared war upon the American family. Many of them are homosexuals and pedophiles and they cannot be trusted around children, let alone making decisions on their behalf.

    The goddess vagina court-queen herself, USSC Sandra Day O’Conner, spoke in an article yesterday that the “judiciary” was in “danger” because of the American “right wing”. There is a Senator in Texas who said that the recent shootings of lawyers and judges by Americans was due to bad decisions by American courts. O’Connor was quick to blame the “right-wing” and then she laughably claimed that any decision a court makes should not place judges and their functionaries in any “danger”.

    That is pretty much how Hitler, Stalin and their cronies operated. It is all about the folks who have the power (women) and are not willing to relinquish that power or even share power with men. They have a vigina dictatorship going on and they are using brute force to impose its satanic tyrannical will over the rest of the American people.

    What communist functionaries like Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor fail to recognize is that it was their failure to impose the law in 1973 that triggered this mess. The second point that O’Connor fails to recognize is that claiming that the “judiciary” is in “danger” is simply her own paranoid delusions. If men wanted to make this a bloody situation and take it all back, we could take it all back. I am talking about cleansing the entire country at the same time with incredible levels of organization and just doing it. Has that happened? Of course not.

    What communist functionaries like O’Connor are concerned about is that there are “any” rejections of their perversions. Like other dictators, they don’t want anyone to resist their perverse legal decisions. So when the occasional judge or lawyer is assassinated by some criminal or desperate individual, communist functionaires like O’Connor immediately become histrionic and rush to the media with leftist claims that a vast, vast, super vast, endless right-wing conspiracy is working against them. If the right-wing was really working against the communist O’Connor, the USSC would be engulfed in flames and everyone in DC would be running for their very lives. Since that has not occurred, it is clear that no such conspiracy exists, and it is just part of her ideology’s collectivist delusion. Remember, this is the same walking and talking vagina that instructed U.S. courts to look to “international law” for guidance with the interpretation of American law. Her loyalties rest outside the United States and probably entail an allegience to foreign, international powers. She has sold out the American people, like most of the others of her ilk.

    In the early 1930s, the USSC used to be in the basement of the Hart Senate building. Before every session they used to say a prayer. Communists like O’Connor will never mention that American judicial history. The gravest mistake that the US Senate made was to allow the USSC out of the basement and into their own building. Once the USSC got their own building, they became isolated and a zone of silence appeared between them and the “people”.

    The nefarious family court problem in the United States is a product of communists like O’Connor. Why does “family court” need its own overweight guards, its own metal detectors, its own law void of constitutional protections and elimination of due process? The answer is simple. It is an undemocratic institution that has separated itself from the people, as the USSC itself has been separated from normal Americans since the 1930s.

    Any legal activity in America that does not involve a jury trial proceeding is unconstitutional. That will be one of the main objectives when men restructure American courts.

    Family courts think they have the power of the USSC. It is a shame that the judge in the perverse
    family court that you went to put you in jail. There will be a time in the future when the names of all men who have been placed in jail by vagina ideology functionaries will be needed for consolidation as witnesses to crimes against humanity when these systems are finally restructured. Like the Nazis and Soviets that came before them, they think they are outside the law, but as students of history we know that all tyrannical regimes (even judiciaries) fail one way or the other.

    There are some pretty brilliant men in the Men’s Rights Movement. I am thinking if you hang in there you will celebrate male victory over this perverse system in your lifetime.

    Ignore women like O’connor and the other vagina ideology feminists. Their power is fading and they are not happy about it. They don’t want any discussion about their perverse system. That is why the guy who wrote a book about his family court experience had the judge go after him personally. These people think they are above the law, that they can pervert the law into whatever it is that they want it to be on any given day, and I am thinking that American men are finally saying…no.

    In Sum, their perverse system doesn’t want good, loyal men like you to figure out that a man has more rights living under Taliban rule than here in America.

  • DcFather

    If there were no debtor’s prison, the wealth redistribution scheme known as child support would falter. Without even the promise of easy money, mothers couldn’t dump fathers so easily, as some of the burden of maintaining two households could actually fall on them, and they might even suffer some unfavorable consequences for being irresponsible. As Americans, we have found it unacceptable for females to suffer any consequences for irresponsible behavior, if anything goes wrong she is a victim, so we just keep increasing the burden on males, especially fathers, and we no longer care what happens to children as a result, unless it can be addressed with another government program, preferrably further targeting fathers.

    An end to debtor’s prison would mean a huge drop in divorce, meaning huge loss of income for the divorce industry. Women would have to have to choose a father based on the decency of the guy, rather than the money to which she is “entitled” should she not like the way he didn’t put the cap back on the toothpaste one day last week. And of course the feminists could no longer relish the sadistic treatment of those with the politically incorrect genitalia trying to remain a part of the lives of their children.

    Yes, children would be better off if judges had to obey the law, but America is a nation of special interest groups, and the special interest groups are more special than children.

  • DcFather

    If there were no debtor’s prison, the wealth redistribution scheme known as child support would falter. Without even the promise of easy money, mothers couldn’t dump fathers so easily, as some of the burden of maintaining two households could actually fall on them, and they might even suffer some unfavorable consequences for being irresponsible. As Americans, we have found it unacceptable for females to suffer any consequences for irresponsible behavior, if anything goes wrong she is a victim, so we just keep increasing the burden on males, especially fathers, and we no longer care what happens to children as a result, unless it can be addressed with another government program, preferrably further targeting fathers.

    An end to debtor’s prison would mean a huge drop in divorce, meaning huge loss of income for the divorce industry. Women would have to have to choose a father based on the decency of the guy, rather than the money to which she is “entitled” should she not like the way he didn’t put the cap back on the toothpaste one day last week. And of course the feminists could no longer relish the sadistic treatment of those with the politically incorrect genitalia trying to remain a part of the lives of their children.

    Yes, children would be better off if judges had to obey the law, but America is a nation of special interest groups, and the special interest groups are more special than children.

  • DcFather

    If there were no debtor’s prison, the wealth redistribution scheme known as child support would falter. Without even the promise of easy money, mothers couldn’t dump fathers so easily, as some of the burden of maintaining two households could actually fall on them, and they might even suffer some unfavorable consequences for being irresponsible. As Americans, we have found it unacceptable for females to suffer any consequences for irresponsible behavior, if anything goes wrong she is a victim, so we just keep increasing the burden on males, especially fathers, and we no longer care what happens to children as a result, unless it can be addressed with another government program, preferrably further targeting fathers.

    An end to debtor’s prison would mean a huge drop in divorce, meaning huge loss of income for the divorce industry. Women would have to have to choose a father based on the decency of the guy, rather than the money to which she is “entitled” should she not like the way he didn’t put the cap back on the toothpaste one day last week. And of course the feminists could no longer relish the sadistic treatment of those with the politically incorrect genitalia trying to remain a part of the lives of their children.

    Yes, children would be better off if judges had to obey the law, but America is a nation of special interest groups, and the special interest groups are more special than children.

  • DcFather

    If there were no debtor’s prison, the wealth redistribution scheme known as child support would falter. Without even the promise of easy money, mothers couldn’t dump fathers so easily, as some of the burden of maintaining two households could actually fall on them, and they might even suffer some unfavorable consequences for being irresponsible. As Americans, we have found it unacceptable for females to suffer any consequences for irresponsible behavior, if anything goes wrong she is a victim, so we just keep increasing the burden on males, especially fathers, and we no longer care what happens to children as a result, unless it can be addressed with another government program, preferrably further targeting fathers.

    An end to debtor’s prison would mean a huge drop in divorce, meaning huge loss of income for the divorce industry. Women would have to have to choose a father based on the decency of the guy, rather than the money to which she is “entitled” should she not like the way he didn’t put the cap back on the toothpaste one day last week. And of course the feminists could no longer relish the sadistic treatment of those with the politically incorrect genitalia trying to remain a part of the lives of their children.

    Yes, children would be better off if judges had to obey the law, but America is a nation of special interest groups, and the special interest groups are more special than children.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    Ahh yes, the old “its not imprisonment for debt, its imprisonment for violating a court order!” The court order requiring you to pay money!
    Kinda makes the state constitution provision prohibiting imprisonment for debt like the insurance policy that covers injuries sustained while falling but not injuries sustained while hitting the ground!
    But the Antipeonage Act really does not have any loopholes. If the court order is an attempt to impose and enforce peonage, then it is declared null and void by 42 U.S.C. §1994.
    And it is the felony defined by 18 U.S.C. §1581.
    How do we get this enforced?
    Not by being silent about it.
    And not by being defeatist.
    We have a choice.
    We can use the fact that courts make up excuses to not follow the law as the excuse to not scream for the enforcement of the Peonage Law.
    In which case the Peonage Law will not be enforced and we will leave high and dry those who try to get it enforced.
    Or we can refuse to take no for an answer and continue screaming for the enforcement of the Peonage Law, including indictment of the judges who make up such silly ass excuses, and loudly support those of us who plead the Peonage Law to the courts.
    We can take heart from the history of the litigation of anti-miscengenation statutes.
    These were laws, in effect in 30 states, that prohibited marriage where one party was white and the other party was black, or Native American, or east Asian (called Malay in the statutes). Thousands of mixed race couples challenged these statutes on 14th Amendment Equal Protection grounds. Sometimes the issue arose when a mixed race couple married in Washington State, which never had such laws, and lived their lives out in Montana, which prohibited such marriages. After death, the probate courts considered whether such marriage was lawful or void. The excuse the courts used was that because it was just as illegal for the white person to marry the Japanese or black person as it was for the Japanese or black person to marry the white person, there was no denial of equal protection of the laws.
    The Supreme Court’s Loving v. Virginia decision striking down these laws was the SECOND such decision EVER made by a court finding these laws invalid. The first was the Perez v. Sharp decision of California’s Supreme Court in 1948.
    It seems that the state’s interest in preventing the birth of children of mixed race heritage implied denial of equal protection of the laws to such persons.
    This victory would not have happened had mixed race couples used the negative results of so many challenges as the excuse to not make such challenges.
    They won by not taking no for an answer.
    We can do the same with the Antipeonage Act and the 13th Amendment.
    Arguments already presented are in:
    http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com/57547-3brief.htm and
    http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com/57547-3replybrief.htm
    Please study. Then if you can, build on my arguments and adapt them to your individual situations. And then present them to the courts.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    Ahh yes, the old “its not imprisonment for debt, its imprisonment for violating a court order!” The court order requiring you to pay money!
    Kinda makes the state constitution provision prohibiting imprisonment for debt like the insurance policy that covers injuries sustained while falling but not injuries sustained while hitting the ground!
    But the Antipeonage Act really does not have any loopholes. If the court order is an attempt to impose and enforce peonage, then it is declared null and void by 42 U.S.C. §1994.
    And it is the felony defined by 18 U.S.C. §1581.
    How do we get this enforced?
    Not by being silent about it.
    And not by being defeatist.
    We have a choice.
    We can use the fact that courts make up excuses to not follow the law as the excuse to not scream for the enforcement of the Peonage Law.
    In which case the Peonage Law will not be enforced and we will leave high and dry those who try to get it enforced.
    Or we can refuse to take no for an answer and continue screaming for the enforcement of the Peonage Law, including indictment of the judges who make up such silly ass excuses, and loudly support those of us who plead the Peonage Law to the courts.
    We can take heart from the history of the litigation of anti-miscengenation statutes.
    These were laws, in effect in 30 states, that prohibited marriage where one party was white and the other party was black, or Native American, or east Asian (called Malay in the statutes). Thousands of mixed race couples challenged these statutes on 14th Amendment Equal Protection grounds. Sometimes the issue arose when a mixed race couple married in Washington State, which never had such laws, and lived their lives out in Montana, which prohibited such marriages. After death, the probate courts considered whether such marriage was lawful or void. The excuse the courts used was that because it was just as illegal for the white person to marry the Japanese or black person as it was for the Japanese or black person to marry the white person, there was no denial of equal protection of the laws.
    The Supreme Court’s Loving v. Virginia decision striking down these laws was the SECOND such decision EVER made by a court finding these laws invalid. The first was the Perez v. Sharp decision of California’s Supreme Court in 1948.
    It seems that the state’s interest in preventing the birth of children of mixed race heritage implied denial of equal protection of the laws to such persons.
    This victory would not have happened had mixed race couples used the negative results of so many challenges as the excuse to not make such challenges.
    They won by not taking no for an answer.
    We can do the same with the Antipeonage Act and the 13th Amendment.
    Arguments already presented are in:
    http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com/57547-3brief.htm and
    http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com/57547-3replybrief.htm
    Please study. Then if you can, build on my arguments and adapt them to your individual situations. And then present them to the courts.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    Ahh yes, the old “its not imprisonment for debt, its imprisonment for violating a court order!” The court order requiring you to pay money!
    Kinda makes the state constitution provision prohibiting imprisonment for debt like the insurance policy that covers injuries sustained while falling but not injuries sustained while hitting the ground!
    But the Antipeonage Act really does not have any loopholes. If the court order is an attempt to impose and enforce peonage, then it is declared null and void by 42 U.S.C. §1994.
    And it is the felony defined by 18 U.S.C. §1581.
    How do we get this enforced?
    Not by being silent about it.
    And not by being defeatist.
    We have a choice.
    We can use the fact that courts make up excuses to not follow the law as the excuse to not scream for the enforcement of the Peonage Law.
    In which case the Peonage Law will not be enforced and we will leave high and dry those who try to get it enforced.
    Or we can refuse to take no for an answer and continue screaming for the enforcement of the Peonage Law, including indictment of the judges who make up such silly ass excuses, and loudly support those of us who plead the Peonage Law to the courts.
    We can take heart from the history of the litigation of anti-miscengenation statutes.
    These were laws, in effect in 30 states, that prohibited marriage where one party was white and the other party was black, or Native American, or east Asian (called Malay in the statutes). Thousands of mixed race couples challenged these statutes on 14th Amendment Equal Protection grounds. Sometimes the issue arose when a mixed race couple married in Washington State, which never had such laws, and lived their lives out in Montana, which prohibited such marriages. After death, the probate courts considered whether such marriage was lawful or void. The excuse the courts used was that because it was just as illegal for the white person to marry the Japanese or black person as it was for the Japanese or black person to marry the white person, there was no denial of equal protection of the laws.
    The Supreme Court’s Loving v. Virginia decision striking down these laws was the SECOND such decision EVER made by a court finding these laws invalid. The first was the Perez v. Sharp decision of California’s Supreme Court in 1948.
    It seems that the state’s interest in preventing the birth of children of mixed race heritage implied denial of equal protection of the laws to such persons.
    This victory would not have happened had mixed race couples used the negative results of so many challenges as the excuse to not make such challenges.
    They won by not taking no for an answer.
    We can do the same with the Antipeonage Act and the 13th Amendment.
    Arguments already presented are in:
    http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com/57547-3brief.htm and
    http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com/57547-3replybrief.htm
    Please study. Then if you can, build on my arguments and adapt them to your individual situations. And then present them to the courts.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    Ahh yes, the old “its not imprisonment for debt, its imprisonment for violating a court order!” The court order requiring you to pay money!
    Kinda makes the state constitution provision prohibiting imprisonment for debt like the insurance policy that covers injuries sustained while falling but not injuries sustained while hitting the ground!
    But the Antipeonage Act really does not have any loopholes. If the court order is an attempt to impose and enforce peonage, then it is declared null and void by 42 U.S.C. §1994.
    And it is the felony defined by 18 U.S.C. §1581.
    How do we get this enforced?
    Not by being silent about it.
    And not by being defeatist.
    We have a choice.
    We can use the fact that courts make up excuses to not follow the law as the excuse to not scream for the enforcement of the Peonage Law.
    In which case the Peonage Law will not be enforced and we will leave high and dry those who try to get it enforced.
    Or we can refuse to take no for an answer and continue screaming for the enforcement of the Peonage Law, including indictment of the judges who make up such silly ass excuses, and loudly support those of us who plead the Peonage Law to the courts.
    We can take heart from the history of the litigation of anti-miscengenation statutes.
    These were laws, in effect in 30 states, that prohibited marriage where one party was white and the other party was black, or Native American, or east Asian (called Malay in the statutes). Thousands of mixed race couples challenged these statutes on 14th Amendment Equal Protection grounds. Sometimes the issue arose when a mixed race couple married in Washington State, which never had such laws, and lived their lives out in Montana, which prohibited such marriages. After death, the probate courts considered whether such marriage was lawful or void. The excuse the courts used was that because it was just as illegal for the white person to marry the Japanese or black person as it was for the Japanese or black person to marry the white person, there was no denial of equal protection of the laws.
    The Supreme Court’s Loving v. Virginia decision striking down these laws was the SECOND such decision EVER made by a court finding these laws invalid. The first was the Perez v. Sharp decision of California’s Supreme Court in 1948.
    It seems that the state’s interest in preventing the birth of children of mixed race heritage implied denial of equal protection of the laws to such persons.
    This victory would not have happened had mixed race couples used the negative results of so many challenges as the excuse to not make such challenges.
    They won by not taking no for an answer.
    We can do the same with the Antipeonage Act and the 13th Amendment.
    Arguments already presented are in:
    http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com/57547-3brief.htm and
    http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com/57547-3replybrief.htm
    Please study. Then if you can, build on my arguments and adapt them to your individual situations. And then present them to the courts.

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  • chicka40

    I can confirm the above, although in Australia the situation is much worse, albiet there are few jailings.
    The reason being the calculation; a father say with 3 children pays 32% of his gross income. In a country where the top tax rate is 48% for an income of USD 80k, that often equates to 60% of disposable income.

  • chicka40

    I can confirm the above, although in Australia the situation is much worse, albiet there are few jailings.
    The reason being the calculation; a father say with 3 children pays 32% of his gross income. In a country where the top tax rate is 48% for an income of USD 80k, that often equates to 60% of disposable income.

  • chicka40

    I can confirm the above, although in Australia the situation is much worse, albiet there are few jailings.
    The reason being the calculation; a father say with 3 children pays 32% of his gross income. In a country where the top tax rate is 48% for an income of USD 80k, that often equates to 60% of disposable income.

  • chicka40

    I can confirm the above, although in Australia the situation is much worse, albiet there are few jailings.
    The reason being the calculation; a father say with 3 children pays 32% of his gross income. In a country where the top tax rate is 48% for an income of USD 80k, that often equates to 60% of disposable income.

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  • amosbatto

    We have a real problem in America. 20% of children live below the poverty line. Part of the reason is that too many of them are growing up in single parent homes and the other parent doesn’t pay any child support. It was shown that it was too easy to skip out on child-support payments and many parents still do it. At the same time, there are horrible cases where parents honestly can’t pay for child support and they get punished unfairly. Child poverty is a serious issue, but I think the best way to deal with it is to call government programs that help all those kids living below the poverty line. For instance, there ought to be government provided health care for every kid who doesn’t have it. Paying for it is simple: Cut our out of control military budget from 500 billion to 250 billion. Spend 200 billion on paying for our government deficit and 50 billion on supporting children living in poverty.

  • amosbatto

    We have a real problem in America. 20% of children live below the poverty line. Part of the reason is that too many of them are growing up in single parent homes and the other parent doesn’t pay any child support. It was shown that it was too easy to skip out on child-support payments and many parents still do it. At the same time, there are horrible cases where parents honestly can’t pay for child support and they get punished unfairly. Child poverty is a serious issue, but I think the best way to deal with it is to call government programs that help all those kids living below the poverty line. For instance, there ought to be government provided health care for every kid who doesn’t have it. Paying for it is simple: Cut our out of control military budget from 500 billion to 250 billion. Spend 200 billion on paying for our government deficit and 50 billion on supporting children living in poverty.

  • amosbatto

    We have a real problem in America. 20% of children live below the poverty line. Part of the reason is that too many of them are growing up in single parent homes and the other parent doesn’t pay any child support. It was shown that it was too easy to skip out on child-support payments and many parents still do it. At the same time, there are horrible cases where parents honestly can’t pay for child support and they get punished unfairly. Child poverty is a serious issue, but I think the best way to deal with it is to call government programs that help all those kids living below the poverty line. For instance, there ought to be government provided health care for every kid who doesn’t have it. Paying for it is simple: Cut our out of control military budget from 500 billion to 250 billion. Spend 200 billion on paying for our government deficit and 50 billion on supporting children living in poverty.

  • http://www.ciber-runa/ab amosbatto

    We have a real problem in America. 20% of children live below the poverty line. Part of the reason is that too many of them are growing up in single parent homes and the other parent doesn’t pay any child support. It was shown that it was too easy to skip out on child-support payments and many parents still do it. At the same time, there are horrible cases where parents honestly can’t pay for child support and they get punished unfairly. Child poverty is a serious issue, but I think the best way to deal with it is to call government programs that help all those kids living below the poverty line. For instance, there ought to be government provided health care for every kid who doesn’t have it. Paying for it is simple: Cut our out of control military budget from 500 billion to 250 billion. Spend 200 billion on paying for our government deficit and 50 billion on supporting children living in poverty.

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