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		<title>By: Azrael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azrael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if murderers make you feel &quot;icky&quot; don&#039;t you think that as a dangerous element to a society they should be dealt with?

How about drug dealers? There should be no stigma or ban against that, right?

How about child molesters? After all there was some recent uproar about protecting the rights of child molesters when that guy got shot. They should have a right to be a child molester, right? Right?

Look the facts are simple. There are only a few basic requirements for a society to exist and be reasonably stable. 

A common language is one, if you can&#039;t communicate then you can&#039;t get jack done. 

A relatively common morality is another, some sort of standard of right and wrong that is judged by. We were founded as a Christian nation and the large majority of us are Christians in one brand or another, and even though we exercise tolerance and respect the rights of others, that doesn&#039;t change what our standard of right or wrong should be.

A stable method of procreation is another. In order to have your society exist past one generation, they have to be able to reproduce and instill in the next generation those same values to maintain the current morality for the reasons listed above. Otherwise it becomes a different society. Witness the last 40 years and the downward spiral to see the effects of indoctrinating children in counter-culture and unless you&#039;re blind (not physically) and completely retarded then you should see it as reasonably obvious.

Belief of non-belief in religion is irrelevant. Religion in my opinion is a societal tool used as a glue to hold communities together and impose some sort of acceptable standard and belief in right/wrong. Some give it more power than that, some less. That is, in essence though, what it is when you put all the rhetoric aside.

Look at any part of the world. Take China for instance, where the majority population is Buddhist. Take the Muslim nations where the majority are Islamic. There are distinct differences in thought processes, conflict resolution, sense of right and wrong in these socities...but they all have the factors I&#039;ve listed above.

Having a ban on gay marriage is not about people being made to feel lesser or because they make anyone feel &quot;icky.&quot; The facts stand that homosexuality is a destructive lifestyle, and degrades the society it exists in. Whether or not it makes you feel icky or not it does exactly that. Same as drugs, same as murderers, same as child molesters...they all take away from constructive efforts to maintain society and destroy. Belief in God is not required to see these secular facts for what they are. And if you don&#039;t like this society which the majority does believe homosexuality is a bad thing and has been spit on by the justice and legislation systems repeatedly, then please do us all a favor and move to a a more pro-homosexual country. Like the Arab countries where it&#039;s very acceptable and even encouraged. There you won&#039;t find anyone complaining about homosexuality, but you better be in line with the Islam doctrines of &quot;peace&quot;. There&#039;s always a price to living in any society.

45 out of 50 states now either have amendments or statutes banning gay marriage. I will withold my personal opinions regarding homosexuals other than stating the one about about how destructive the lifestyle generally is. The majority has spoken and the majority says it is wrong. Last time I looked this country operates under a majority rules premise and either I&#039;m really mistaken (and it doesn&#039;t) or it&#039;s being actively undermined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if murderers make you feel &#8220;icky&#8221; don&#8217;t you think that as a dangerous element to a society they should be dealt with?</p>
<p>How about drug dealers? There should be no stigma or ban against that, right?</p>
<p>How about child molesters? After all there was some recent uproar about protecting the rights of child molesters when that guy got shot. They should have a right to be a child molester, right? Right?</p>
<p>Look the facts are simple. There are only a few basic requirements for a society to exist and be reasonably stable. </p>
<p>A common language is one, if you can&#8217;t communicate then you can&#8217;t get jack done. </p>
<p>A relatively common morality is another, some sort of standard of right and wrong that is judged by. We were founded as a Christian nation and the large majority of us are Christians in one brand or another, and even though we exercise tolerance and respect the rights of others, that doesn&#8217;t change what our standard of right or wrong should be.</p>
<p>A stable method of procreation is another. In order to have your society exist past one generation, they have to be able to reproduce and instill in the next generation those same values to maintain the current morality for the reasons listed above. Otherwise it becomes a different society. Witness the last 40 years and the downward spiral to see the effects of indoctrinating children in counter-culture and unless you&#8217;re blind (not physically) and completely retarded then you should see it as reasonably obvious.</p>
<p>Belief of non-belief in religion is irrelevant. Religion in my opinion is a societal tool used as a glue to hold communities together and impose some sort of acceptable standard and belief in right/wrong. Some give it more power than that, some less. That is, in essence though, what it is when you put all the rhetoric aside.</p>
<p>Look at any part of the world. Take China for instance, where the majority population is Buddhist. Take the Muslim nations where the majority are Islamic. There are distinct differences in thought processes, conflict resolution, sense of right and wrong in these socities&#8230;but they all have the factors I&#8217;ve listed above.</p>
<p>Having a ban on gay marriage is not about people being made to feel lesser or because they make anyone feel &#8220;icky.&#8221; The facts stand that homosexuality is a destructive lifestyle, and degrades the society it exists in. Whether or not it makes you feel icky or not it does exactly that. Same as drugs, same as murderers, same as child molesters&#8230;they all take away from constructive efforts to maintain society and destroy. Belief in God is not required to see these secular facts for what they are. And if you don&#8217;t like this society which the majority does believe homosexuality is a bad thing and has been spit on by the justice and legislation systems repeatedly, then please do us all a favor and move to a a more pro-homosexual country. Like the Arab countries where it&#8217;s very acceptable and even encouraged. There you won&#8217;t find anyone complaining about homosexuality, but you better be in line with the Islam doctrines of &#8220;peace&#8221;. There&#8217;s always a price to living in any society.</p>
<p>45 out of 50 states now either have amendments or statutes banning gay marriage. I will withold my personal opinions regarding homosexuals other than stating the one about about how destructive the lifestyle generally is. The majority has spoken and the majority says it is wrong. Last time I looked this country operates under a majority rules premise and either I&#8217;m really mistaken (and it doesn&#8217;t) or it&#8217;s being actively undermined.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/06/13/gay-marriage-a-far-cry-from-a-holy-union/comment-page-1/#comment-13409</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe in God.  I do believe that citizens enjoy equal treatment in the society they inhabit.  I don&#039;t want lesser treatment for those who make me feel &quot;icky&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe in God.  I do believe that citizens enjoy equal treatment in the society they inhabit.  I don&#8217;t want lesser treatment for those who make me feel &#8220;icky&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicia Benamon</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/06/13/gay-marriage-a-far-cry-from-a-holy-union/comment-page-1/#comment-13405</link>
		<dc:creator>Felicia Benamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you be &quot;puzzled&quot; as to my comment on the black community? The majority&#039;s opinion doesn&#039;t matter to you? 

As far as what you said about marriage, it&#039;s solely an institution with which society raises and brings up children/continuation of society. Yes, it&#039;s was instituted by God. And it&#039;s my responsibility to say so.  Sure older folks can marry, those who can&#039;t have children, etc. As long as these folks are one man and one woman.  That consists of the definition of marriage, has been for ages. 

I would ask that if you or anyone else has any more questions or comments to first check out the links that are provided after this article. I think the facts speak for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you be &#8220;puzzled&#8221; as to my comment on the black community? The majority&#8217;s opinion doesn&#8217;t matter to you? </p>
<p>As far as what you said about marriage, it&#8217;s solely an institution with which society raises and brings up children/continuation of society. Yes, it&#8217;s was instituted by God. And it&#8217;s my responsibility to say so.  Sure older folks can marry, those who can&#8217;t have children, etc. As long as these folks are one man and one woman.  That consists of the definition of marriage, has been for ages. </p>
<p>I would ask that if you or anyone else has any more questions or comments to first check out the links that are provided after this article. I think the facts speak for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/06/13/gay-marriage-a-far-cry-from-a-holy-union/comment-page-1/#comment-13404</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may very well be a sham in God&#039;s eyes, but that&#039;s not your call.  Marriage is also a property arrangement.  Marriage between atheists are OK..so is marriage between barren individuals, or old people who couldn&#039;t possibly reproduce.

I&#039;m puzzled by your reference to blacks..my point is that a majority opinion doesn&#039;t confer legitimacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may very well be a sham in God&#8217;s eyes, but that&#8217;s not your call.  Marriage is also a property arrangement.  Marriage between atheists are OK..so is marriage between barren individuals, or old people who couldn&#8217;t possibly reproduce.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m puzzled by your reference to blacks..my point is that a majority opinion doesn&#8217;t confer legitimacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicia Benamon</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/06/13/gay-marriage-a-far-cry-from-a-holy-union/comment-page-1/#comment-13403</link>
		<dc:creator>Felicia Benamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,
 
I respect your opinion, but the fact is, marriage was God inspired. It isn&#039;t secular at all, I outlined why in my article. It was for the continuation and procreation of mankind, look at Adam and Eve, God brought to Adam a FEMALE, not a male. He was to be his WIFE and eventually, they had children. God did NOT include another male in the picture. Same with Noah, God did NOT have only guys on the boat. There were FEMALES. He told them to go and ..be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth. You can&#039;t get any plainer than that. Secular society recognizes marriage as an institution that holds families together, but as a whole, society recognizes families as being headed by one man and one woman.
 
Many people fail to realize that many in the black community are AGAINST gay marriage, they view it solely as a union between one man and one woman. Blacks are very community oriented and grounded and any deviation from that, any deviation from what God says regarding marriage (one man, one woman...as I said in my article) is sin and filth.
 
This is not an attempt to get people on &quot;my&quot; side, it&#039;s not a conservative or Republican viewpoint that gay marriage is a sham.  Most Americans still are against it. So the effort to paint the defense of marriage amendment as something Republicans are only concerned about it ridiculous, many people across the board were concerned about it.  --Felicia Benamon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>I respect your opinion, but the fact is, marriage was God inspired. It isn&#8217;t secular at all, I outlined why in my article. It was for the continuation and procreation of mankind, look at Adam and Eve, God brought to Adam a FEMALE, not a male. He was to be his WIFE and eventually, they had children. God did NOT include another male in the picture. Same with Noah, God did NOT have only guys on the boat. There were FEMALES. He told them to go and ..be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth. You can&#8217;t get any plainer than that. Secular society recognizes marriage as an institution that holds families together, but as a whole, society recognizes families as being headed by one man and one woman.</p>
<p>Many people fail to realize that many in the black community are AGAINST gay marriage, they view it solely as a union between one man and one woman. Blacks are very community oriented and grounded and any deviation from that, any deviation from what God says regarding marriage (one man, one woman&#8230;as I said in my article) is sin and filth.</p>
<p>This is not an attempt to get people on &#8220;my&#8221; side, it&#8217;s not a conservative or Republican viewpoint that gay marriage is a sham.  Most Americans still are against it. So the effort to paint the defense of marriage amendment as something Republicans are only concerned about it ridiculous, many people across the board were concerned about it.  &#8211;Felicia Benamon</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/06/13/gay-marriage-a-far-cry-from-a-holy-union/comment-page-1/#comment-13384</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage is also a secular institution, so religion may address the sacramental aspects, and nothing else.  Should a religion not wish to bless a marriage, no one&#039;s forcing that religion to do so.  &quot;Render unto Caesar...&quot;

I reject the argument that polls show the people to be with your &quot;side&quot;.  If a poll showed disapproval of marriages between those of different races, would you advocate acting on that poll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage is also a secular institution, so religion may address the sacramental aspects, and nothing else.  Should a religion not wish to bless a marriage, no one&#8217;s forcing that religion to do so.  &#8220;Render unto Caesar&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I reject the argument that polls show the people to be with your &#8220;side&#8221;.  If a poll showed disapproval of marriages between those of different races, would you advocate acting on that poll?</p>
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