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It’s Time To Do Away With Christ Centric B.C/A.D System

2006-06-24
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America is a secular and pluralistic state but Christianity is the major religion, its influence permeates every aspect of our society.  

You would think that Christians would feel accepted and comfortable in a nation where they are in the majority, but fundamentalists are constantly whining about being persecuted.

“There is a war on Christmas”, they wail, even though Christmas rears its materialistic head the day after Halloween and refuses to disappear until sometime after New Year’s Day.

If there’s any group that’s put upon it’s the atheists and freethinkers who rarely complain even though they are constantly bombarded with god talk by politicians, preachers, friends and neighbors.

But atheists, agnostics, secularists and those of us who value the doctrine of the separation of church and state have been silent for too long.

It’s time that we speak out on issues that pertain to the separation of church and state. 

Some secularists are proposing substituting C.E. (Common Era) for A.D. and B.C.E. (Before the Common Era) for B.C.

It is critical that the B.C/A.D system be immediately removed from our public schools, we shouldn’t give our students the impression that Christianity is the state religion.

The common B.C./A.D. system is based on the supposed year of Christ’s birth. Years after Christ’s birth go up; those before it are counted backwards.

It is an insult to atheists, and to anyone who isn’t a Christian to have our date system based on the birth of Jesus Christ.

I call upon my fellow secularists to demand that their local schools substitute the Common Era system for the Christ centric scheme.

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  • nighthawk

    No, Hal, they’re not liberal atheists. They belong to the Church Of What’s Happenin’ Now. The Church of Gaia. The Curch of Liberalism. Is that what flamethrower Ann has been saying? She’s absolutely right. The Sun has less inertia than a devout liberal.

    I propose a different system. The B.N. system. Before Now. Every day we will recalculate the calendar dates. Every significant date will be measured by it’s temporal distance relative to now.
    That’s the key. Make it all relative and variable. No pesky dates set in stone, No rules. Heck, maybe even throw in some variables to compensate for mood swings. It’s not about marking time, it’s about how I feel.

  • nighthawk

    No, Hal, they’re not liberal atheists. They belong to the Church Of What’s Happenin’ Now. The Church of Gaia. The Curch of Liberalism. Is that what flamethrower Ann has been saying? She’s absolutely right. The Sun has less inertia than a devout liberal.

    I propose a different system. The B.N. system. Before Now. Every day we will recalculate the calendar dates. Every significant date will be measured by it’s temporal distance relative to now.
    That’s the key. Make it all relative and variable. No pesky dates set in stone, No rules. Heck, maybe even throw in some variables to compensate for mood swings. It’s not about marking time, it’s about how I feel.

  • Lurk

    “Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.” – Fletcher in The Outlaw Josie Wales”

    Atheists, silent? Your whole argument is wasted by the foolish claims. Rush out and buy a clue.

    It’s not the jews that sue to remove the cross from the California state flag.
    It’s not the Muslims that demand that the the names of towns like San Francisco be changed.
    It’s not a Hindu that sues to get the words “under God” removed from the Pledge of Allegiance.
    It’s not the Wiccans that hate the “Christmas Tree” and the Nativity Scenes.

    It’s the Atheists, Agnostics and Secularists. They mistake the Freedom of Religion as a Freedom from Religion. They’re demand in a Freedom from Religion imposes on everyone’s Freedom of Religion.

    This minority has their freedoms solely because of the tolerance of the majority. And in return, they are intolerant of the majority. Gratitude? Give thanks! Christians give thanks to the one that grants them their lives. Atheists give grief.

    Silent? I have yet to meet an Atheist that wasn’t proselytizing. If Christians had such a high percentage of evangelists, the whole world would have been converted 2000 years ago.

    “… and the Truth will set you free!”

  • Lurk

    “Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.” – Fletcher in The Outlaw Josie Wales”

    Atheists, silent? Your whole argument is wasted by the foolish claims. Rush out and buy a clue.

    It’s not the jews that sue to remove the cross from the California state flag.
    It’s not the Muslims that demand that the the names of towns like San Francisco be changed.
    It’s not a Hindu that sues to get the words “under God” removed from the Pledge of Allegiance.
    It’s not the Wiccans that hate the “Christmas Tree” and the Nativity Scenes.

    It’s the Atheists, Agnostics and Secularists. They mistake the Freedom of Religion as a Freedom from Religion. They’re demand in a Freedom from Religion imposes on everyone’s Freedom of Religion.

    This minority has their freedoms solely because of the tolerance of the majority. And in return, they are intolerant of the majority. Gratitude? Give thanks! Christians give thanks to the one that grants them their lives. Atheists give grief.

    Silent? I have yet to meet an Atheist that wasn’t proselytizing. If Christians had such a high percentage of evangelists, the whole world would have been converted 2000 years ago.

    “… and the Truth will set you free!”

  • Hal

    Why should we worry about people who are too ignorant to see the nose in front of their face? Besides, you people are already sneaking C.E. onto us. The liberal “science” sites already use it, you’re just the first to come out and say it means “common”, not “Christian”. Pretty sneaky of them, eh? Now you’ve blown it for them.

    By the way, how come all people who believe in using c.e. (not to mention all who believe in global warming) are liberal atheists?

  • Hal

    Why should we worry about people who are too ignorant to see the nose in front of their face? Besides, you people are already sneaking C.E. onto us. The liberal “science” sites already use it, you’re just the first to come out and say it means “common”, not “Christian”. Pretty sneaky of them, eh? Now you’ve blown it for them.

    By the way, how come all people who believe in using c.e. (not to mention all who believe in global warming) are liberal atheists?

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    I realize it is a Catholic Church thing, but I believe Anno Domini has a touch of class. We have to admit that Dionysus Exiguus did one heck of a job redesigning the calendar during the time of Pope Gregory. It tracks the seasons, solstices, and equinoxes, even faithfully following the precession of the equinoxes, slipping a day once every 3,000 to 4,000 years, which can always be corrected with an extra leap year.
    That is why we use this calendar.
    While Gallileo was later placed under lifetime house arrest for agreeing with Johannes Kepler, Copernicus, and Aristarchos that the planets orbit the Sun and that the Earth is one of the planets so orbiting, Dionysus Exiguus must have been allowed to use that presumption in his calculations.
    So he was off by a few years as to the date of Christ’s birth. Christian faith is not necessary to use the marvelous timekeeping device created by this Christian monk during the early days of the Church.
    We chould continue to refer to the years per the Gregorian Calendar by Before Christ and Anno Domini as a salute to the people who invented this marvelous time keeping device.
    Referring to a temperature scale as “Fahrenheit” or “Celsius” does not make us Fahrenheitists or Celsiuns, it is merely a way of honoring the men who invented these temperature scales. Likewise, B.C. and A.D. honors the Church and its monk who provided us with our modern, accurate, and functional calendar.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    I realize it is a Catholic Church thing, but I believe Anno Domini has a touch of class. We have to admit that Dionysus Exiguus did one heck of a job redesigning the calendar during the time of Pope Gregory. It tracks the seasons, solstices, and equinoxes, even faithfully following the precession of the equinoxes, slipping a day once every 3,000 to 4,000 years, which can always be corrected with an extra leap year.
    That is why we use this calendar.
    While Gallileo was later placed under lifetime house arrest for agreeing with Johannes Kepler, Copernicus, and Aristarchos that the planets orbit the Sun and that the Earth is one of the planets so orbiting, Dionysus Exiguus must have been allowed to use that presumption in his calculations.
    So he was off by a few years as to the date of Christ’s birth. Christian faith is not necessary to use the marvelous timekeeping device created by this Christian monk during the early days of the Church.
    We chould continue to refer to the years per the Gregorian Calendar by Before Christ and Anno Domini as a salute to the people who invented this marvelous time keeping device.
    Referring to a temperature scale as “Fahrenheit” or “Celsius” does not make us Fahrenheitists or Celsiuns, it is merely a way of honoring the men who invented these temperature scales. Likewise, B.C. and A.D. honors the Church and its monk who provided us with our modern, accurate, and functional calendar.

  • mruffolo

    Christ rocks. However, maybe we can start time when men stopped ruling. When we came to feminism.

    A new time when women and like minded men began to rule the home and work.

    Today’s date is June 25, 40 AP (After Patriarch)

  • mruffolo

    Christ rocks. However, maybe we can start time when men stopped ruling. When we came to feminism.

    A new time when women and like minded men began to rule the home and work.

    Today’s date is June 25, 40 AP (After Patriarch)

  • http://houstonconservative.com Will Malven

    Mr. Reyes says,

    “the atheists and freethinkers who rarely complain even though they are constantly bombarded with god talk by politicians, preachers, friends and neighbors.”

    What a hoot! Aside from the constant assault on God in our courts brought on by these so-called freethinkers I think maybe your on to something.

    There is no population in America any more vocal in their complaints than those “silent” atheists, agnostics, and secularists.

    Guess what Reyes, there is no “doctrine of separation od church and state” in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It is a Chimera, a myth based on a single sentence in a letter by Thomas Jefferson, who was not even involved in the writing of the Constitution, to the Danbury Baptists. It has no legal weight other than that given to it by Justice Black, who made up the relevence out of whole cloth.

    Talk about making yourself look like the southbound end of a northbound equine…

  • http://houstonconservative.com Will Malven

    Mr. Reyes says,

    “the atheists and freethinkers who rarely complain even though they are constantly bombarded with god talk by politicians, preachers, friends and neighbors.”

    What a hoot! Aside from the constant assault on God in our courts brought on by these so-called freethinkers I think maybe your on to something.

    There is no population in America any more vocal in their complaints than those “silent” atheists, agnostics, and secularists.

    Guess what Reyes, there is no “doctrine of separation od church and state” in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It is a Chimera, a myth based on a single sentence in a letter by Thomas Jefferson, who was not even involved in the writing of the Constitution, to the Danbury Baptists. It has no legal weight other than that given to it by Justice Black, who made up the relevence out of whole cloth.

    Talk about making yourself look like the southbound end of a northbound equine…

  • tasmaw

    Why does this remind me of the times they tried to force us to use the metric system?

    There oughta be a law!

  • tasmaw

    Why does this remind me of the times they tried to force us to use the metric system?

    There oughta be a law!

  • whraglyn

    Wha-a-a-a!
    Would you like some cheese with your whine?

    Get over it, buddy: Christ lived, and His influence is the greatest force in history so far.

    When Christianity is replaced as the dominant influence in the world by some other world view, such as ‘secularism’, then dating from the birth of Christ will be replaced by another form.

    Calls for the institution of ‘BCE/CE’ dating will fall on deaf ears as long as thoughtful persons recognize how pathetic is the simple substitution of different letters to denote the same time frame(s) as dated by the ‘BC/AD’.

    Jeez, you could at least demand a dating system from some great event in space, or in geologic history.
    You could propose that we date from the life of a person recognized to be as great an influence on human history as was Jesus Christ.

    But then, whom would you propose?…

  • whraglyn

    Wha-a-a-a!
    Would you like some cheese with your whine?

    Get over it, buddy: Christ lived, and His influence is the greatest force in history so far.

    When Christianity is replaced as the dominant influence in the world by some other world view, such as ‘secularism’, then dating from the birth of Christ will be replaced by another form.

    Calls for the institution of ‘BCE/CE’ dating will fall on deaf ears as long as thoughtful persons recognize how pathetic is the simple substitution of different letters to denote the same time frame(s) as dated by the ‘BC/AD’.

    Jeez, you could at least demand a dating system from some great event in space, or in geologic history.
    You could propose that we date from the life of a person recognized to be as great an influence on human history as was Jesus Christ.

    But then, whom would you propose?…







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