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	<title>Comments on: Chivalry Died in the Garden of Eden</title>
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		<title>By: bryan vanmeter</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/07/09/chivalry-died-in-the-garden-of-eden/comment-page-1/#comment-75699</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan vanmeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some problems with my browser AllWorld Explorer on your site. The gremlins are still in the system :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some problems with my browser AllWorld Explorer on your site. The gremlins are still in the system <img src='http://mensnewsdaily.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: bohemph</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/07/09/chivalry-died-in-the-garden-of-eden/comment-page-1/#comment-70524</link>
		<dc:creator>bohemph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and women killed it a long time ago.  Their crazy!!!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and women killed it a long time ago.  Their crazy!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/07/09/chivalry-died-in-the-garden-of-eden/comment-page-1/#comment-14982</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t give a fig what American think and sure as hell don&#039;t give a fig how &quot;they feel&quot;. It may be cruel and it may be brutal but I truly would not cross the street to piss on an American woman even if she was on fire. They are damaged goods and they as a group need to go through 2 generations of personal hell to purge their mentality.

This is not my position about all women-just all American women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t give a fig what American think and sure as hell don&#8217;t give a fig how &#8220;they feel&#8221;. It may be cruel and it may be brutal but I truly would not cross the street to piss on an American woman even if she was on fire. They are damaged goods and they as a group need to go through 2 generations of personal hell to purge their mentality.</p>
<p>This is not my position about all women-just all American women.</p>
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		<title>By: PolishKnight</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/07/09/chivalry-died-in-the-garden-of-eden/comment-page-1/#comment-14664</link>
		<dc:creator>PolishKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned a lot of manners, real traditional manners, from my Eastern European wife.  

For one thing, she would never dream of going to a party without a gift (Seinfeld had a hilarious episode where the group encountered such hardship acquiring the dinner gift that they didn&#039;t want to stay for dinner).  Simply &quot;showing up&quot; at someone&#039;s door makes her feel like a beggar or a mooch.  

Next, she wouldn&#039;t dream of going to someone&#039;s house or party more than twice or so before planning a reciprocal event of her own.  In other words, true traditional manners clearly provides ways for people to treat each other fairly and decently and to build relationships in a healthy manner.  As Marc pointed out, &quot;traditional manners&quot; in the U.S. has degraded into a faux chivalry of men pretending to patronize women as innocent maidens when they&#039;re really eying the three date rule.  It builds distrust rather than friendship.

I tried to explain all of this to a professional career woman I went out on a date with 20 years ago.  Those times seem far in the past today because of how times have changed.  She didn&#039;t just want men to roll out the one-way welcome mat, but even went further to demand that they meet up to higher income and status standards based upon what she wanted.  If she got a doctorate, she should be able to date only doctors.  etc.

I tried to explain to her this was unfair and it was like trying to explain quantum physics to my cat.  Next I tried to argue that men weren&#039;t that flexible: That they couldn&#039;t be a liberated guy in the workplace but then come home and still be a knight on a shining Lexus.  She didn&#039;t see a problem with this.

I perhaps should have asked her if she was prepared to meet up to both the roles herself.  As the perfume ad of the time jingled: [can you] &quot;bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never never never let him forget he&#039;s a man?&quot;  Was she prepared to live up to the true traditionalist standards of the past and do all the childcare and housecleaning chores and provide homecooked meals while working the same number of hours he does per week?  

Perhaps it was understandable that she and others like her didn&#039;t want to listen to me because so many men and the media were telling her the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned a lot of manners, real traditional manners, from my Eastern European wife.  </p>
<p>For one thing, she would never dream of going to a party without a gift (Seinfeld had a hilarious episode where the group encountered such hardship acquiring the dinner gift that they didn&#8217;t want to stay for dinner).  Simply &#8220;showing up&#8221; at someone&#8217;s door makes her feel like a beggar or a mooch.  </p>
<p>Next, she wouldn&#8217;t dream of going to someone&#8217;s house or party more than twice or so before planning a reciprocal event of her own.  In other words, true traditional manners clearly provides ways for people to treat each other fairly and decently and to build relationships in a healthy manner.  As Marc pointed out, &#8220;traditional manners&#8221; in the U.S. has degraded into a faux chivalry of men pretending to patronize women as innocent maidens when they&#8217;re really eying the three date rule.  It builds distrust rather than friendship.</p>
<p>I tried to explain all of this to a professional career woman I went out on a date with 20 years ago.  Those times seem far in the past today because of how times have changed.  She didn&#8217;t just want men to roll out the one-way welcome mat, but even went further to demand that they meet up to higher income and status standards based upon what she wanted.  If she got a doctorate, she should be able to date only doctors.  etc.</p>
<p>I tried to explain to her this was unfair and it was like trying to explain quantum physics to my cat.  Next I tried to argue that men weren&#8217;t that flexible: That they couldn&#8217;t be a liberated guy in the workplace but then come home and still be a knight on a shining Lexus.  She didn&#8217;t see a problem with this.</p>
<p>I perhaps should have asked her if she was prepared to meet up to both the roles herself.  As the perfume ad of the time jingled: [can you] &#8220;bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never never never let him forget he&#8217;s a man?&#8221;  Was she prepared to live up to the true traditionalist standards of the past and do all the childcare and housecleaning chores and provide homecooked meals while working the same number of hours he does per week?  </p>
<p>Perhaps it was understandable that she and others like her didn&#8217;t want to listen to me because so many men and the media were telling her the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: mruffolo</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/07/09/chivalry-died-in-the-garden-of-eden/comment-page-1/#comment-14638</link>
		<dc:creator>mruffolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women are beguiling; however, if you must have a relationship, then aim for the ideal woman outlined in Proverbs 31 (Standard English Version) and be patient.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%2031&amp;version=47

From the beginning, this ancient and wise text warns men â€œnot give your strength to women.â€

Go slow and be careful during your search. Remember that Salomon, one of the wisest men who ever lived, said, â€œI find woman more bitter than death; she is all traps, her hands are fetters and her heart snares.â€ (Tanaka: Jewish Publication Society)


Also, if you read a bible, then be careful of the version, as feminists had most of the translators/publishers change its meaning for woman. The process is called gender-neutral. It&#039;s really a feministâ€™s version of the bible.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/inclusive.html

Do not be surprised by this, there is also a homosexual version of the bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women are beguiling; however, if you must have a relationship, then aim for the ideal woman outlined in Proverbs 31 (Standard English Version) and be patient.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%2031&amp;version=47" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%2031&amp;version=47</a></p>
<p>From the beginning, this ancient and wise text warns men â€œnot give your strength to women.â€</p>
<p>Go slow and be careful during your search. Remember that Salomon, one of the wisest men who ever lived, said, â€œI find woman more bitter than death; she is all traps, her hands are fetters and her heart snares.â€ (Tanaka: Jewish Publication Society)</p>
<p>Also, if you read a bible, then be careful of the version, as feminists had most of the translators/publishers change its meaning for woman. The process is called gender-neutral. It&#8217;s really a feministâ€™s version of the bible.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bible-researcher.com/inclusive.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bible-researcher.com/inclusive.html</a></p>
<p>Do not be surprised by this, there is also a homosexual version of the bible.</p>
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