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Radical Feminists: Useful Idiots

2006-08-04
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A useful idiot is someone who, while zealously promoting one cause, ends up advancing a very different one through stupidity, naivete or inattention. The useful idiot never sees the big picture. Vladimir Lenin, the first Soviet dictator, is credited with coining the phrase, although according to P. Boller and J. George’s They Never Said It, he—well—most likely never said it. Not even in Russian. Whatever its origins, the phrase sometimes comes in handy.

My first two experiences with radical feminists in academia didn’t make much of an impact on me until later. The first was in Fall 1987 at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. It was my first full-time job out of graduate school, and I was making a presentation on what was then my area of expertise: theories about the conceptual foundations of science and the dynamics of scientific change. After outlining four such theories, I took questions. At one point a female graduate student put up her hand and wanted to know to what extent I could relate the scarcity of women in science to scientific method. I hadn’t thought about it. The question had never occurred to me. A few women have made major contributions to science. Madame Curie comes to mind. Their methods weren’t different than those of men, so I considered the range of methods employed in the sciences to be gender-neutral. The relative scarcity of women in science I attributed mostly to women’s overall lack of interest in science. My politically incorrect answer caused me no problems at the time. This was, after all, before the main wave of feminist incursions into academia and the rise of political correctness (speech control, thought control).

The second incident occurred a few months later at an American Philosophical Association (APA) meeting where I had a job interview. The APA is the largest organization of philosophy professors in the country. What I saw and heard was from the hall because of an unusually large, overflow crowd. A somewhat diminutive woman was being verbally attacked—hissed at, in fact!—by an audience that seemed to be mostly women. None of the panelists (also women) came to her defense. The meeting—supposedly of adults and professionals—disintegrated into chaos. I wasn’t sure what I had seen until months later, when reports began circulating and angry letters to the editor began appearing in the association’s flagship journal.

The diminutive woman, I learned, was Christina Hoff Sommers, a then-unknown professor at tiny Clark College in Massachusetts. She had read a paper on “Feminists Against the Family,” arguing just that to an audience unused to having its basic premises questioned. Sommers had concluded that feminists in academia were more interested in promoting revolutionary social change than in furthering a responsible exchange of ideas. Their ends justified their means. Among the ends they wanted was an end to the traditional, nuclear (two-parent) family. According to their Marxist view of things, the family is a repository of gender-oppression. Men are bourgeois; women are proletariat. Such notions, however contrived and unoriginal, took academia by storm in the 1980s and even more so in the 1990s.

Sommers distinguished between “liberal” feminism and “gender” (radical) feminism. The first promoted, e.g., equal pay for equal work, and opposed discrimination. The latter is a full-fledged worldview that subjects every institution of society to scrutiny through the lens of gender. Sommers had no quarrel with the former; she had plenty of quarrels with the latter. Its influence, which puts science under the gender microscope along with everything else, explained the question from the Clemson graduate student.

I met Sommers a couple of years later. My interests had begun shifting from the foundations of scientific method to political thought and the foundations of a free society. I was interested in libertarian ideas and was networking with other libertarian philosophers, several of whom had befriended her. We were all outsiders, after all, because we were not collectivists. Based on what Sommers had to say, and on a few of her articles, I took a look at so-called “feminist scholarship.” What I found jolted me. One radical feminist called Newton’s and Bacon’s ideas about scientific method a “rape manual” (they spoke of “penetrating” nature’s secrets—get it?). Another compared a romantic candlelight dinner to prostitution. These are just two examples, and not even the weirdest (don’t ask!). Around this time it surfaced that a “feminist legal theorist, ” Catharine A. MacKinnon, had compared voluntary sexual intercourse to rape. That oversimplifies somewhat; what she says is that in “male-dominated, patriarchical, heterosexist society” the line between voluntary consent and coercion is blurred, so that in sexual relations between men and women a fine distinction between “voluntary” intercourse and rape can’t be drawn. Yup: under the insidious patriarchy, men as a collective are potential rapists; women are helpless victims.

It seemed like a sick joke to me. Men dominating women? Where? At the time I couldn’t even get a date, much less find someone to dominate. Approach an academic woman? I’d have to have been out of my mind! But these people were being lionized and treated as heroines who had cracked the academic “glass ceiling,” and whose “scholarship” was “cutting edge.” They were employed permanently by their institutions and paid comfortable salaries, while guys like myself struggled to survive as academic cheap labor. We migrated from school to school to school on “visiting assistant professor” contracts or “adjunct” appointments every one, two or three years.

It would not have been as bad if the world according to radical feminism weren’t pure fantasy. There is no “patriarchy”! The courts clearly favor women in divorce and child custody cases, and have for years. Women tend to live longer then men—possibly because men have long tended to work in more hazardous occupations, and are far more likely to die of work-related injuries than women. Far more attention is paid to—and government money spent on—women’s health issues than men’s health issues. Men have always been the ones to fight and die in wars, or suffer war-related disabilities. (Radical feminists apparently want as many women killed or maimed in wars as men—hence “women in combat.”)

Radical feminist “research” on academic topics like the philosophy of science is often just silly. Some of their proposals, e.g., for “female friendly science,” seem to invite ridicule—which they sometimes receive, as when around 1990 a responsible woman philosopher named Marguerita Levin asked sarcastically whether “feminist airplanes would stay aloft for feminist engineers” (“Science and Feminism,” The American Scholar). The more I investigated affirmative action programs, the clearer it became that they explained the growing influence of radical feminism (also multiculturalism and other chicaneries of the politically correct era). At the root was the longstanding commitment to collectivism generally. Preferential hiring for “diversity” had led to a free fall in quality control. Political correctness, when it rushed across the landscape like a tornado in the 1990s, made the free fall semi-permanent. (Now to be sure, academic philosophy wasn’t setting the world on fire before this nonsense started, but that’s another article.)

Christina Hoff Sommers went on to write Who Stole Feminism? (1994). Under sustained attack in academia, she dropped her APA membership and finally left teaching for a research position at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. There she researched and wrote The War Against Boys (2000).

Today, the fruits of radical feminism are everywhere in evidence. The nuclear family is in trouble (although in fairness this is due more to the collapse of real, debauched-dollar-adjusted wages forcing both parents to work). Radical feminists dominate many academic humanities departments, including where I did my graduate work; they are well represented in many administrations at four-year research institutions; they control professional groups such as the Modern Language Association. Much contemporary “scholarship” is predictably sex-drenched and gender-obsessed.

Meanwhile, enrollment statistics over the past few years indicate a fall-off in men enrolling in four-year institutions. This has begun to attract national attention. Recent stats indicate that the percentage of men on college and university campuses has fallen to 43 percent nationwide, with some institutions falling under 40 percent. This is treated like a great mystery: why are men falling behind? To those of us who have watched gender politics in academe since the 1980s, the answer is obvious. No man with self-respect is going to sit in a classroom, at the mercy of a radical feminist professor’s denunciations, if he has an alternative. With political correctness shackling free speech, men are speaking with their feet. Some are going to less-politicized technical colleges. Others are choosing occupations that don’t require a four-year degree.

Has radical feminism helped women? A better question might be: was it intended to help women? Some think not. Many women have the careers feminism promised—but also kids born out of wedlock, from one-night stands and the feminist conviction that “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” They come home from work exhausted and then have one or more kids to handle. The result: stress, exhaustion, burn-out. Boys, meanwhile, grow up without proper male role models. One of the effects of radical feminism is the feminization of boys and men. Masculine assertiveness is “out”; “metrosexual” sensitivity is “in”—a recipe for trouble. As Christina Hoff Sommers argues convincingly, normal boys just aren’t wired that way.

Some men are consciously deciding to stay single. They will not approach women, in college or at work, out of fear of guilty-if-charged “sexual harassment” allegations. And with one in two marriages ending in divorce, they are justifiably afraid of being cleaned out—of having their finances destroyed by divorce courts that favor women. Worse still, more than one man has had his life ruined by malicious child-molestation allegations. Again, guilty if charged. Not to mention the emotional devastation to kids after watching their parents fight, sometimes for years.

All of which presages a lot of people—of both sexes—growing older alone.

Could it be that someone wants things this way, because when people’s—especially children’s—families are dismembered and they are psychologically cut off from the most important support network a person can have in an impersonal, materialistic society, they are vulnerable? How does all this tie in with my opening paragraph?

In a recent interview with The New American (June 12, 2006), Aaron Russo, currently of America: Freedom to Fascism fame, reports how he once defended his sympathy with the women’s movement and with equal opportunity to an unnamed member of the Rockefeller clan. Russo describes the chilling response: “He looked at me and said, ‘You know, you’re such an idiot in some ways. We … created the women’s movement, and we promote it. And it’s not about equal opportunity. It’s designed to get both parents out of the home and into the workforce, where they will pay taxes. And then we can decide how the children will be raised and educated.’”

Behind the feminist movement, like a shadow, was the super elite lusting for control—over men, over women, over children, over the workplace, over education, eventually over society itself. Radical feminists—obsessed with gender politics but never looking behind the scenes—have been great useful idiots for over 40 years. Feminism was never really about women or their opportunities, which is why its benefits, viewed objectively, turn out to be illusory. A lot of women have filled their prescribed roles unwittingly. Still more have followed their leaders naively. Political correctness has been a good tool for gaining the cooperation of men—or, at least, intimidating many of them into silence. Thus today’s “feminized” order: women don’t trust men; men don’t trust women. Women have careers in record numbers; their children are in state-sponsored daycare where they begin their indoctrination into New World Order globalism and the Earth Charter. Neither men nor women have lives. Neither pays significant attention to their real enemies at the top.

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  • PolishKnight

    Hello Denis,

    I re-read what you wrote but wanted something a bit more personal from you rather than just rehashing what others had written along with the original author. All of these conspiracy theories together sound a bit contradictory. I was just trying to make some sense out of the big picture. Why would the super-elite want to turn the states into a third world country with expensive pink collar laborers when South America was available all along? How were feminists useful idiots if they ruined things fo everyone? My mind, admittantly, is boggled.

  • PolishKnight

    Hello Denis,

    I re-read what you wrote but wanted something a bit more personal from you rather than just rehashing what others had written along with the original author. All of these conspiracy theories together sound a bit contradictory. I was just trying to make some sense out of the big picture. Why would the super-elite want to turn the states into a third world country with expensive pink collar laborers when South America was available all along? How were feminists useful idiots if they ruined things fo everyone? My mind, admittantly, is boggled.

  • PolishKnight

    Hello Denis,

    I re-read what you wrote but wanted something a bit more personal from you rather than just rehashing what others had written along with the original author. All of these conspiracy theories together sound a bit contradictory. I was just trying to make some sense out of the big picture. Why would the super-elite want to turn the states into a third world country with expensive pink collar laborers when South America was available all along? How were feminists useful idiots if they ruined things fo everyone? My mind, admittantly, is boggled.

  • PolishKnight

    Hello Denis,

    I re-read what you wrote but wanted something a bit more personal from you rather than just rehashing what others had written along with the original author. All of these conspiracy theories together sound a bit contradictory. I was just trying to make some sense out of the big picture. Why would the super-elite want to turn the states into a third world country with expensive pink collar laborers when South America was available all along? How were feminists useful idiots if they ruined things fo everyone? My mind, admittantly, is boggled.

  • Denis

    I propose instead you re-read what I wrote. I propose you see it for what is said (and not said). I propose also that you view it as commentary that contributes, in part, to the authors original column. It is not my comprehensive 3 volume set explaining the birth and life of feminism. It does not explain everything. It says what it says. I’m certain others here get (and some maybe don’t) the main points I’ve made, and for some it adds to their big picture, or at least makes them think. That was the extent of my goal here.

  • Denis

    I propose instead you re-read what I wrote. I propose you see it for what is said (and not said). I propose also that you view it as commentary that contributes, in part, to the authors original column. It is not my comprehensive 3 volume set explaining the birth and life of feminism. It does not explain everything. It says what it says. I’m certain others here get (and some maybe don’t) the main points I’ve made, and for some it adds to their big picture, or at least makes them think. That was the extent of my goal here.

  • Denis

    I propose instead you re-read what I wrote. I propose you see it for what is said (and not said). I propose also that you view it as commentary that contributes, in part, to the authors original column. It is not my comprehensive 3 volume set explaining the birth and life of feminism. It does not explain everything. It says what it says. I’m certain others here get (and some maybe don’t) the main points I’ve made, and for some it adds to their big picture, or at least makes them think. That was the extent of my goal here.

  • Denis

    I propose instead you re-read what I wrote. I propose you see it for what is said (and not said). I propose also that you view it as commentary that contributes, in part, to the authors original column. It is not my comprehensive 3 volume set explaining the birth and life of feminism. It does not explain everything. It says what it says. I’m certain others here get (and some maybe don’t) the main points I’ve made, and for some it adds to their big picture, or at least makes them think. That was the extent of my goal here.

  • PolishKnight

    So what are you proposing happened (or is happening) exactly?

  • PolishKnight

    So what are you proposing happened (or is happening) exactly?

  • PolishKnight

    So what are you proposing happened (or is happening) exactly?

  • PolishKnight

    So what are you proposing happened (or is happening) exactly?

  • Denis

    You need to stop using whatever it is you are using. I’m not providing a conspiracy theory here. I’m not proposing backroom secret meetings. I’m not going to draw you a map or spoon feed it to you. To think that some “huge powerhouse belief” from “chivalry”, “top-heavy puritannical mores”, “marxism”, and “white guilt” occured as a big bang during the 60s, and this brought about feminism, and if you are seeing conspiracy theory in the my rationale, then you have only proven for me the popular axiom “if you remember the 60s you were’nt there”.

  • Denis

    You need to stop using whatever it is you are using. I’m not providing a conspiracy theory here. I’m not proposing backroom secret meetings. I’m not going to draw you a map or spoon feed it to you. To think that some “huge powerhouse belief” from “chivalry”, “top-heavy puritannical mores”, “marxism”, and “white guilt” occured as a big bang during the 60s, and this brought about feminism, and if you are seeing conspiracy theory in the my rationale, then you have only proven for me the popular axiom “if you remember the 60s you were’nt there”.

  • Denis

    You need to stop using whatever it is you are using. I’m not providing a conspiracy theory here. I’m not proposing backroom secret meetings. I’m not going to draw you a map or spoon feed it to you. To think that some “huge powerhouse belief” from “chivalry”, “top-heavy puritannical mores”, “marxism”, and “white guilt” occured as a big bang during the 60s, and this brought about feminism, and if you are seeing conspiracy theory in the my rationale, then you have only proven for me the popular axiom “if you remember the 60s you were’nt there”.

  • Denis

    You need to stop using whatever it is you are using. I’m not providing a conspiracy theory here. I’m not proposing backroom secret meetings. I’m not going to draw you a map or spoon feed it to you. To think that some “huge powerhouse belief” from “chivalry”, “top-heavy puritannical mores”, “marxism”, and “white guilt” occured as a big bang during the 60s, and this brought about feminism, and if you are seeing conspiracy theory in the my rationale, then you have only proven for me the popular axiom “if you remember the 60s you were’nt there”.

  • PolishKnight

    I’m aware of this theory but it doesn’t work, at least not at the level proposed with illuminati corporations meeting in secret rooms, if they planned to get all this cheap women’s labor and then made it too expensive and then sought cheap labor elsewhere. Pretty damn stupid overlord.

    I think it’s just western chivalry, top-heavy puritannnical mores, marxism, and white guilt that all combined to create the perfect nexus or storm to create this huge powerhouse belief of women’s equality that persists beyond rational thought similar to people still knocking on wood to ward off bad luck.

  • PolishKnight

    I’m aware of this theory but it doesn’t work, at least not at the level proposed with illuminati corporations meeting in secret rooms, if they planned to get all this cheap women’s labor and then made it too expensive and then sought cheap labor elsewhere. Pretty damn stupid overlord.

    I think it’s just western chivalry, top-heavy puritannnical mores, marxism, and white guilt that all combined to create the perfect nexus or storm to create this huge powerhouse belief of women’s equality that persists beyond rational thought similar to people still knocking on wood to ward off bad luck.

  • PolishKnight

    I’m aware of this theory but it doesn’t work, at least not at the level proposed with illuminati corporations meeting in secret rooms, if they planned to get all this cheap women’s labor and then made it too expensive and then sought cheap labor elsewhere. Pretty damn stupid overlord.

    I think it’s just western chivalry, top-heavy puritannnical mores, marxism, and white guilt that all combined to create the perfect nexus or storm to create this huge powerhouse belief of women’s equality that persists beyond rational thought similar to people still knocking on wood to ward off bad luck.

  • PolishKnight

    I’m aware of this theory but it doesn’t work, at least not at the level proposed with illuminati corporations meeting in secret rooms, if they planned to get all this cheap women’s labor and then made it too expensive and then sought cheap labor elsewhere. Pretty damn stupid overlord.

    I think it’s just western chivalry, top-heavy puritannnical mores, marxism, and white guilt that all combined to create the perfect nexus or storm to create this huge powerhouse belief of women’s equality that persists beyond rational thought similar to people still knocking on wood to ward off bad luck.

  • Denis

    It makes total sense. Read my posts in their entirety. They wanted women out of the home and into the workforce to lower overall labor costs and to increase the markets for their goods and services. As the West had the only prosperous economies at the time, (and China was closed and India was poor with no skilled labor) the only way to increase markets and lower labor costs was within the western spehere. They are going to China and India now because THEY offer lower costs for skilled labor and available markets. Why pay someone $60,000 (or whatever), with maternity leave, childcare benefits, the high risk of discrimination and/or harrassment lawsuits (recall recently Wal-Mart and female employees), when you can pay someone
    one-sixth that amount and be free of the nuisances? Plus everyone else then has to compete with these lower costs. Corporations only think about themselves and they are voting with their feet and leaving.

  • Denis

    It makes total sense. Read my posts in their entirety. They wanted women out of the home and into the workforce to lower overall labor costs and to increase the markets for their goods and services. As the West had the only prosperous economies at the time, (and China was closed and India was poor with no skilled labor) the only way to increase markets and lower labor costs was within the western spehere. They are going to China and India now because THEY offer lower costs for skilled labor and available markets. Why pay someone $60,000 (or whatever), with maternity leave, childcare benefits, the high risk of discrimination and/or harrassment lawsuits (recall recently Wal-Mart and female employees), when you can pay someone
    one-sixth that amount and be free of the nuisances? Plus everyone else then has to compete with these lower costs. Corporations only think about themselves and they are voting with their feet and leaving.

  • Denis

    It makes total sense. Read my posts in their entirety. They wanted women out of the home and into the workforce to lower overall labor costs and to increase the markets for their goods and services. As the West had the only prosperous economies at the time, (and China was closed and India was poor with no skilled labor) the only way to increase markets and lower labor costs was within the western spehere. They are going to China and India now because THEY offer lower costs for skilled labor and available markets. Why pay someone $60,000 (or whatever), with maternity leave, childcare benefits, the high risk of discrimination and/or harrassment lawsuits (recall recently Wal-Mart and female employees), when you can pay someone
    one-sixth that amount and be free of the nuisances? Plus everyone else then has to compete with these lower costs. Corporations only think about themselves and they are voting with their feet and leaving.

  • Denis

    It makes total sense. Read my posts in their entirety. They wanted women out of the home and into the workforce to lower overall labor costs and to increase the markets for their goods and services. As the West had the only prosperous economies at the time, (and China was closed and India was poor with no skilled labor) the only way to increase markets and lower labor costs was within the western spehere. They are going to China and India now because THEY offer lower costs for skilled labor and available markets. Why pay someone $60,000 (or whatever), with maternity leave, childcare benefits, the high risk of discrimination and/or harrassment lawsuits (recall recently Wal-Mart and female employees), when you can pay someone
    one-sixth that amount and be free of the nuisances? Plus everyone else then has to compete with these lower costs. Corporations only think about themselves and they are voting with their feet and leaving.

  • PolishKnight

    This doesn’t make sense. Why would the corporations want to expand the women’s market to increase consumption and costs in order to benefit their bottom line only to go to undeveloped countries such as India and China because they’re cheaper to do business in?

  • PolishKnight

    This doesn’t make sense. Why would the corporations want to expand the women’s market to increase consumption and costs in order to benefit their bottom line only to go to undeveloped countries such as India and China because they’re cheaper to do business in?

  • PolishKnight

    This doesn’t make sense. Why would the corporations want to expand the women’s market to increase consumption and costs in order to benefit their bottom line only to go to undeveloped countries such as India and China because they’re cheaper to do business in?

  • PolishKnight

    This doesn’t make sense. Why would the corporations want to expand the women’s market to increase consumption and costs in order to benefit their bottom line only to go to undeveloped countries such as India and China because they’re cheaper to do business in?

  • Gus

    I just want to repeat Denis’s accurate and profound statement: “Feminism never was about equality for corporations or the government (or women either). It was about raw power.”

  • Gus

    I just want to repeat Denis’s accurate and profound statement: “Feminism never was about equality for corporations or the government (or women either). It was about raw power.”

  • Gus

    I just want to repeat Denis’s accurate and profound statement: “Feminism never was about equality for corporations or the government (or women either). It was about raw power.”

  • Gus

    I just want to repeat Denis’s accurate and profound statement: “Feminism never was about equality for corporations or the government (or women either). It was about raw power.”

  • PolishKnight

    The Pill

    Men supported the pill, and indirectly, feminism because they perceived them as making women more “loose” and to bust puritanical mores. But I disagree that the pill, by itself, allowed women to pursue sexual gratification in a similar way to men. It’s now clear in hindsight that the pill is tremendously flawed: it’s a hormonal treatment with drastic side effects. It’s not totally reliable. It’s complicated to use.

    Consequently, the pill was augmented with other “birth control” solutions (literally): abortion rights, welfare, child-support for bastard children and even legal abandonment. I know leftist men whose eyes glimmer with fear at the prospect of denying women any of these choices for fear that they’ll close their legs.

  • PolishKnight

    The Pill

    Men supported the pill, and indirectly, feminism because they perceived them as making women more “loose” and to bust puritanical mores. But I disagree that the pill, by itself, allowed women to pursue sexual gratification in a similar way to men. It’s now clear in hindsight that the pill is tremendously flawed: it’s a hormonal treatment with drastic side effects. It’s not totally reliable. It’s complicated to use.

    Consequently, the pill was augmented with other “birth control” solutions (literally): abortion rights, welfare, child-support for bastard children and even legal abandonment. I know leftist men whose eyes glimmer with fear at the prospect of denying women any of these choices for fear that they’ll close their legs.

  • PolishKnight

    The Pill

    Men supported the pill, and indirectly, feminism because they perceived them as making women more “loose” and to bust puritanical mores. But I disagree that the pill, by itself, allowed women to pursue sexual gratification in a similar way to men. It’s now clear in hindsight that the pill is tremendously flawed: it’s a hormonal treatment with drastic side effects. It’s not totally reliable. It’s complicated to use.

    Consequently, the pill was augmented with other “birth control” solutions (literally): abortion rights, welfare, child-support for bastard children and even legal abandonment. I know leftist men whose eyes glimmer with fear at the prospect of denying women any of these choices for fear that they’ll close their legs.

  • Denis

    When modern feminism gained the involvement of the government thereby spreading it’s influence into business, academia, etc., during the 60s and beyond, there were no economies other than Western economies where corporations could grow their markets. China was a closed market, and India was a poor nation with few skilled people. The richest nations were all Western: USA, Western Europe, Canada. During the 70s Japan and Australia entered the sphere of Western prosperity. If corporations wanted to increase their markets they all had to work within this Western sphere. Feminism offered the corporations
    the ability to double their markets. Feminism offered governments greater reach both in size and power.

    Now that China and India have offered corporations new markets they are leaving the West behind. The West, with all it’s entitlements, and costs of doing business, and the huge increase in regulations (and affirmative action is one example)that they themselves brought about,are disincentives for expanding in the West.

    Feminism never was about equality for the corporations or the government. It was about raw power.

    These multinationals are the driving force behind China’s impressive economic growth. Averaging about 8% growth per year each of the last 25 years. The Chinese economy doubles every 8-9 years. They are also providing China the resources, resulting from this economic growth,
    to be a regional and one-day,global military threat to U.S. ineterests. And the U.S. government will once again be calling on American men to be their cannon fodder.

  • Denis

    When modern feminism gained the involvement of the government thereby spreading it’s influence into business, academia, etc., during the 60s and beyond, there were no economies other than Western economies where corporations could grow their markets. China was a closed market, and India was a poor nation with few skilled people. The richest nations were all Western: USA, Western Europe, Canada. During the 70s Japan and Australia entered the sphere of Western prosperity. If corporations wanted to increase their markets they all had to work within this Western sphere. Feminism offered the corporations
    the ability to double their markets. Feminism offered governments greater reach both in size and power.

    Now that China and India have offered corporations new markets they are leaving the West behind. The West, with all it’s entitlements, and costs of doing business, and the huge increase in regulations (and affirmative action is one example)that they themselves brought about,are disincentives for expanding in the West.

    Feminism never was about equality for the corporations or the government. It was about raw power.

    These multinationals are the driving force behind China’s impressive economic growth. Averaging about 8% growth per year each of the last 25 years. The Chinese economy doubles every 8-9 years. They are also providing China the resources, resulting from this economic growth,
    to be a regional and one-day,global military threat to U.S. ineterests. And the U.S. government will once again be calling on American men to be their cannon fodder.

  • Denis

    When modern feminism gained the involvement of the government thereby spreading it’s influence into business, academia, etc., during the 60s and beyond, there were no economies other than Western economies where corporations could grow their markets. China was a closed market, and India was a poor nation with few skilled people. The richest nations were all Western: USA, Western Europe, Canada. During the 70s Japan and Australia entered the sphere of Western prosperity. If corporations wanted to increase their markets they all had to work within this Western sphere. Feminism offered the corporations
    the ability to double their markets. Feminism offered governments greater reach both in size and power.

    Now that China and India have offered corporations new markets they are leaving the West behind. The West, with all it’s entitlements, and costs of doing business, and the huge increase in regulations (and affirmative action is one example)that they themselves brought about,are disincentives for expanding in the West.

    Feminism never was about equality for the corporations or the government. It was about raw power.

    These multinationals are the driving force behind China’s impressive economic growth. Averaging about 8% growth per year each of the last 25 years. The Chinese economy doubles every 8-9 years. They are also providing China the resources, resulting from this economic growth,
    to be a regional and one-day,global military threat to U.S. ineterests. And the U.S. government will once again be calling on American men to be their cannon fodder.

  • Denis

    When modern feminism gained the involvement of the government thereby spreading it’s influence into business, academia, etc., during the 60s and beyond, there were no economies other than Western economies where corporations could grow their markets. China was a closed market, and India was a poor nation with few skilled people. The richest nations were all Western: USA, Western Europe, Canada. During the 70s Japan and Australia entered the sphere of Western prosperity. If corporations wanted to increase their markets they all had to work within this Western sphere. Feminism offered the corporations
    the ability to double their markets. Feminism offered governments greater reach both in size and power.

    Now that China and India have offered corporations new markets they are leaving the West behind. The West, with all it’s entitlements, and costs of doing business, and the huge increase in regulations (and affirmative action is one example)that they themselves brought about,are disincentives for expanding in the West.

    Feminism never was about equality for the corporations or the government. It was about raw power.

    These multinationals are the driving force behind China’s impressive economic growth. Averaging about 8% growth per year each of the last 25 years. The Chinese economy doubles every 8-9 years. They are also providing China the resources, resulting from this economic growth,
    to be a regional and one-day,global military threat to U.S. ineterests. And the U.S. government will once again be calling on American men to be their cannon fodder.

  • fourthwire

    “Nicely said, fourthwire; it’s a pleasure doing business with you.”

    Thank you for your kind words, whraglyn.

    “you state my case better than I, yet you seem to see it not so”

    That’s entirely possible. I am so far from infallible that I am barely worthy of posting on this forum (and after reading the words of far better-read, more intelligent individuals such as those previously mentioned, I know my limits).

    “What more basic and critical morals or ethics are there than those related to reproductive decisions and the responsibilities resulting therefrom?”

    Well for starters, the birth control pill provided women with an effective means to separate sexual behavior from reproductive decisions.

    Mind you, it also provided women with a form of birth control invisible to their sexual partners, providing an an alibi and means for selective reproductive rape of men.

    “My friend, I wish I could write as well as this, because you are winning the day for my position.”

    I suspect that you can write much better than I can. And if I am indeed actually arguing your points, that’s fine by me.

    I feel no overwhelming need to sacrifice intellectual accuracy or clarity for competitive purposes on this issue.

    “Can you tell me how I could have been more persuasive than to demonstrate that the Pill, between allowing women the pursuit of ‘…careers as well as sexual lives…’, and offering ‘…risk-free sex for both genders…’, successfully altered personal and public behaviors of almost every person of any age, and did so much for the worse, than any other imaginable influence?”

    I would not dream of even attempting to do so.

    I still submit that it was the false dream of “equality” that sold the concept of feminism to the “unwashed masses”, though, rather than the birth control pill.

    “But, this is all speculation, no matter the opinions of anyone. Again, foruthwire, a real pleasure hashing some things out with you.”

    Agreed, hwraglyn.

    I certainly value the opinions of any intelligent individuals on this and other issues related to this and other topics, particularly those individuals’ opinions who are wiser or better-read than myself.

  • fourthwire

    “Nicely said, fourthwire; it’s a pleasure doing business with you.”

    Thank you for your kind words, whraglyn.

    “you state my case better than I, yet you seem to see it not so”

    That’s entirely possible. I am so far from infallible that I am barely worthy of posting on this forum (and after reading the words of far better-read, more intelligent individuals such as those previously mentioned, I know my limits).

    “What more basic and critical morals or ethics are there than those related to reproductive decisions and the responsibilities resulting therefrom?”

    Well for starters, the birth control pill provided women with an effective means to separate sexual behavior from reproductive decisions.

    Mind you, it also provided women with a form of birth control invisible to their sexual partners, providing an an alibi and means for selective reproductive rape of men.

    “My friend, I wish I could write as well as this, because you are winning the day for my position.”

    I suspect that you can write much better than I can. And if I am indeed actually arguing your points, that’s fine by me.

    I feel no overwhelming need to sacrifice intellectual accuracy or clarity for competitive purposes on this issue.

    “Can you tell me how I could have been more persuasive than to demonstrate that the Pill, between allowing women the pursuit of ‘…careers as well as sexual lives…’, and offering ‘…risk-free sex for both genders…’, successfully altered personal and public behaviors of almost every person of any age, and did so much for the worse, than any other imaginable influence?”

    I would not dream of even attempting to do so.

    I still submit that it was the false dream of “equality” that sold the concept of feminism to the “unwashed masses”, though, rather than the birth control pill.

    “But, this is all speculation, no matter the opinions of anyone. Again, foruthwire, a real pleasure hashing some things out with you.”

    Agreed, hwraglyn.

    I certainly value the opinions of any intelligent individuals on this and other issues related to this and other topics, particularly those individuals’ opinions who are wiser or better-read than myself.

  • fourthwire

    “Nicely said, fourthwire; it’s a pleasure doing business with you.”

    Thank you for your kind words, whraglyn.

    “you state my case better than I, yet you seem to see it not so”

    That’s entirely possible. I am so far from infallible that I am barely worthy of posting on this forum (and after reading the words of far better-read, more intelligent individuals such as those previously mentioned, I know my limits).

    “What more basic and critical morals or ethics are there than those related to reproductive decisions and the responsibilities resulting therefrom?”

    Well for starters, the birth control pill provided women with an effective means to separate sexual behavior from reproductive decisions.

    Mind you, it also provided women with a form of birth control invisible to their sexual partners, providing an an alibi and means for selective reproductive rape of men.

    “My friend, I wish I could write as well as this, because you are winning the day for my position.”

    I suspect that you can write much better than I can. And if I am indeed actually arguing your points, that’s fine by me.

    I feel no overwhelming need to sacrifice intellectual accuracy or clarity for competitive purposes on this issue.

    “Can you tell me how I could have been more persuasive than to demonstrate that the Pill, between allowing women the pursuit of ‘…careers as well as sexual lives…’, and offering ‘…risk-free sex for both genders…’, successfully altered personal and public behaviors of almost every person of any age, and did so much for the worse, than any other imaginable influence?”

    I would not dream of even attempting to do so.

    I still submit that it was the false dream of “equality” that sold the concept of feminism to the “unwashed masses”, though, rather than the birth control pill.

    “But, this is all speculation, no matter the opinions of anyone. Again, foruthwire, a real pleasure hashing some things out with you.”

    Agreed, hwraglyn.

    I certainly value the opinions of any intelligent individuals on this and other issues related to this and other topics, particularly those individuals’ opinions who are wiser or better-read than myself.







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