John Murtari Receives Feeding Tube, Continues Passive Resistance For Civil Rights And Equal Parenting

bethesda_paul said,

“Well, my child support is a very tiny fraction of my income. I visit very frequently and stay involved. I’m okay with a happy single life and dealing with the system the best I can.”

And there we have it. ME, ME, ME. The modern metrosexual man of America. I hope you do not lose your income and have a taste of reality. If you do, I hope people show you more respect and compassion than you are showing here.

bethesda_paul

From my profile on another website:

THE FOLLOWING I post as a warning to young men who are considering marriage. Don’t. Period.

And for the clowns who think they are ‘entitled’ to this or that… get-a-job-or-starve.

I’m glad for you your CS is so low… a matter of fact it’s SO low you should probably pay more… Actually, you should go to your ex and brag how low it is and see how long of a wait you have before you’re right back in court.

BP, your arrogance will be your downfall.

Well, my child support is a very tiny fraction of my income. I visit very frequently and stay involved. I’m okay with a happy single life and dealing with the system the best I can. I don’t think shooting judges or doing jail time for contempt of court buys fathers any more time with their children.

Maybe if you guys would set your sights higher than WalMart, you’d have enough income to manage better.

bethesda_paul
you advocating shooting judges?

I posted:
I’m with Murtari’s approach… because nothing else has, or will, work.

And you sir are a Troll. Sorry I fell for it…

bethesda_paul
I’m only advocating taking the most productive approach to an impossible situation. In the family court system, if you stand up and say “Don’t Tread on Me”, you are going to have a bootprint on your face.

You know, I was just reading up on “A Case Of Harlequin Fetus With Psoriasis In His Family” (http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijd/vol1n1/harlequin.xml)and your defeatism is far more depressing than that article.

bethesda_paul said:

“Murtari really is only sending the message that he doesn’t want to pay child support. If he really cared about his child, he would do what I do: pay support and visit often. Sometimes the law makes life intolerable, but you have to cope. Family comes first, not family law protests and publicity stunts.”

Until people are willing to sacrifice for their inalienable rights as John is doing, then all there will be is coping with tyranny. No wonder we are losing more freedoms everyday. People can not even recognize the sacrifice of others, much less take action themselves. Raising your children is as basic a right as breathing, yet government takes it away, and people blame the person fighting back with the only thing he has left, his life – and mock him for doing it. We need every person imprisoned by family court to do what John is doing and family court may change.

“If he really cared about his child, he would do what I do: pay support” is feminazi speak. He should have his children 50% of the time and not pay anyone else for raising his children. The first step to regaining our rights is to recognize that the government as taken them. Many still do not have a clue.

And, just a question…

Are you advocating the shooting of judges? You cited Darren Mack and John Allen Muhammad (?)

And, just a question…

Are you advocating the shooting of judges? You cited Darren Mack and John Allen Muhammad (?)

Sounds like a lot of hot air.

If you are aggressive and proactive in a divorce, you can come to a much more agreeable settlement. However, if you use your right to say NO to the court, they will make your life miserable and you won’t see your kids at all.

The day family court is equitable and fair is the day the IRS tells us we can stop paying taxes. It won’t happen and things will get worse than they are now. That is why marriage is dying and men like Murtari are driven to desperate but ultimately pointless gestures.

I’m only advocating taking the most productive approach to an impossible situation. In the family court system, if you stand up and say “Don’t Tread on Me”, you are going to have a bootprint on your face.

Sounds like a lot of hot air.

If you are aggressive and proactive in a divorce, you can come to a much more agreeable settlement. However, if you use your right to say NO to the court, they will make your life miserable and you won’t see your kids at all.

The day family court is equitable and fair is the day the IRS tells us we can stop paying taxes. It won’t happen and things will get worse than they are now. That is why marriage is dying and men like Murtari are driven to desperate but ultimately pointless gestures.

I’m only advocating taking the most productive approach to an impossible situation. In the family court system, if you stand up and say “Don’t Tread on Me”, you are going to have a bootprint on your face.

bethesda_paul
Getting back to Murtari – he CAN pay. He just thinks its wrong that his ex took his child away from him. He is protesting his wife doing him wrong and the system facilitating this. However, destroying his health in a jail cell will accomplish nothing.

According to his attorney in one of those links above, he can’t pay all they want AND remain a viable part of his son’s life.

SHE moved away, let HER figure out HOW to pay HER bills and let the boy go back with his dad where he probably wants to be anyway.

And all of this ‘advocacy’ and ‘protesting’ by normal means has accomplished… what?! Murtari put his personal freedom and life on the line to raise the visibility of our cause; for that he has my support and loyalty.

My advice is this: they powers that be should watch this situation very closely and compare this to names like Darren Mack, Michael Bochicchio, John Allen Muhammad. And then they should realize something very important- deal fairly with a hunger striker or get shot by an angry psychopath… because when people are robbed of everything and have no legal or financial recourse left to pursue justice, they usually turn to violence.

I’m with Murtari’s approach… because nothing else has, or will, work.

bethesda_paul
Getting back to Murtari – he CAN pay. He just thinks its wrong that his ex took his child away from him. He is protesting his wife doing him wrong and the system facilitating this. However, destroying his health in a jail cell will accomplish nothing.

According to his attorney in one of those links above, he can’t pay all they want AND remain a viable part of his son’s life.

SHE moved away, let HER figure out HOW to pay HER bills and let the boy go back with his dad where he probably wants to be anyway.

And all of this ‘advocacy’ and ‘protesting’ by normal means has accomplished… what?! Murtari put his personal freedom and life on the line to raise the visibility of our cause; for that he has my support and loyalty.

My advice is this: they powers that be should watch this situation very closely and compare this to names like Darren Mack, Michael Bochicchio, John Allen Muhammad. And then they should realize something very important- deal fairly with a hunger striker or get shot by an angry psychopath… because when people are robbed of everything and have no legal or financial recourse left to pursue justice, they usually turn to violence.

I’m with Murtari’s approach… because nothing else has, or will, work.

bethesda, you disappoint me. I thought you were on our side. Please allow me to explain something that should be obvious:
If you pay your child support like a good little boy, no one has any reason to listen to a word you have to say about anything.
Unless it is recognized that he who pays the piper can withold the payment, he will not have any abiliity to call the tune.
The enforceable right to say no is the only guarantee of freedom there ever was.
I do not qualify the word “enforceable”
If we win the right to enforce our decision to say no in the courts, great, then we will have shared parenting and a far better willingness on the part of the ladies to work things out before running to the courthouse. There will be less domestic violence because the women will have less incentive to try to deliberately piss off their men. If we truly believe in the institution of marriage and that it is the best environment for raising children, then we need to take greed out of the equation.
That means everyone retains the right to say no to state sponsored extortion and peonage.
If we cannot win the right to say no in the courts or in the democratic process, then there is the 2nd Amendment. If that seems harsh, WTF do you think the United States Army and the United States Navy is all about?
They are the enforcers of our right to say no to Hirohito, Tojo, Hitler, Mussolini, Kaiser Wilhelm, to make Mexicans wish Pancho Villa stayed on their side of the border, to say no to Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, and originally to King Geoarge III, literally driving him crazy.
I will never concede my right to say no, nor will I ever concede that right on the part of anyone else. Without that, we will never have shared parenting as the presumption in divorce.

I sympathize with guys who lose everything, contact with children and still face arrest and unpayable debts. Having acknowleged that reality, from my understanding of THIS case, Murtari stopped paying support.

I completely support men who cannot pay support due to unrealistic child support awards or lost jobs. These things happen and the courts never take these realities into account. They just let the debt pile up and then start signing warrants. That is wrong, stupid and counter-productive.

Getting back to Murtari – he CAN pay. He just thinks its wrong that his ex took his child away from him. He is protesting his wife doing him wrong and the system facilitating this. However, destroying his health in a jail cell will accomplish nothing. Civil disobedience only works in a basically moral society. The family courts don’t care f***-all if Murtari dies. That is a fact. They also don’t care if poor fathers die.

I wish Murtari would start eating, get out of jail and be a vocal advocate for shared parenting. It’s a lot better option than dying in jail.

Bethesda Paul
Murtari stopped paying support and thinks airfare to visit his son is enough. Many of us pay airfare to see our kids, pay child support and pay medical insurance.

And what about the poor slobs who don’t even have that?!

Hey, I lived off of Wal Mart Spaghetti and eggs for years, dealt with a bleeding eardrum and various other crap because they took everything.

Again, what iof the guys are totally broke?

Put yourself in their shoes then talk.

Murtari hasn’t killed anyone, threatened anyone… he just wants a fair shake.

FamilLawLawyer:

Murtari is not a hero. Instead, he is acting like a spoiled child that hasn’t gotten his way. This man pays less than .003% of his annual income towards the care of his child. He refuses to even contribute for medical costs.

Ok, would like to Back Those Figures up?

Put Up or Shut Up.

Alright FamilyLawyer let me ask you this:
Exactly how is it you can justify the Crime of Peonage, defined as such by 18 U.S.C. §1581, in demanding that a father who never had a fair chance at joint custody of his children, pay a monthly amount each month arbitrarily set by a so-called court without any requirement that anyone PROVE under any standard, be it preponderance of evidence or beyond reasonable doubt, that such father ever did anything WRONG, to justify such deprivation of property and liberty (WTF do you think James Madison meant with the phrase “due process of law”?), by means that necessarily requires he be employed?
And to use his children to justify such a federal felony, crime against humanity, and crime against everything the United States is supposed to be about?
Since you use the man’s child to justify slavery and peonage and to call him names like “spoiled brat”, how is that any less morally reprehensible than Hezballah’s practice of using children as human shields in a war?

Murtari is not a hero. Instead, he is acting like a spoiled child that hasn’t gotten his way. This man pays less than .003% of his annual income towards the care of his child. He refuses to even contribute for medical costs.

It really doesn’t say much for the fathers rights movement when “supporters” show up dressed like cartoon characters, supporting someone who is truly a deadbeat dad.

Supporting Murtari will not change any laws. In fact, it gives those who are opposed to changing the laws more reason not to change those laws. Suppporting Murtari sends a clear message that the fathers rights movement is really about paying child support and not what is in the best interests of the children.

For almost the last two weeks, Teri Stoddard has written and posted numerous updates here on MND. And she has done a great job…

But we need:
Kathleen Parker
Glenn Sacks
and
Wendy McElroy

To write some articles concerning Murtari and and see if we can get the main stream media interested in this guy’s situation.

So, I’m asking to join in because Murtari is someone who should legitimately be labelled Hero.

I tried to post a confirmation of what deepblue stated.

Instead, I got a censor bot.

It’s terrible to be censored on a men’s rights forum. Could it because a woman is censoring….AGAIN?

Eric

Did you know…….

As you walk up the steps to the Capitol Building which houses the Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world’s law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view — it is Moses and the Ten Commandments!

As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door. As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall right above where the Supreme Court judges sit a display of the Ten Commandments!

There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.

James Madison, the fourth president, known as “The Father of Our Constitution” made the following statement “We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”

Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians…not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ”.

Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher…whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.

Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

Thomas Jefferson worried about that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law…an oligarchy…the rule of few over many…

The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, “Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers.”

My prayers are with John, and a check to his legal defense fund.

We will not be quiet. We will not go away, and we will no longer be the whipping dogs of the anti-traditional family, anti Father agenda.

Every day we grow stronger and more visible. I end this post now to go work hard and make certain that reality is more concretely cemented into the public perception as every new day dawns.