Marriage: A fountain of youth

fourthwire – have you been to mgtow.net yet? It seems like you are exactly the kind of guy it was made for.

Joyanna Adams said,

OK guys…you beat me up.

The point certainly was NOT to “beat you up”, Joyanna – more to shake you a little bit and knock those rose-colored glasses a bit askew so you could see the real world that men live in today.

As fourthwire so eloquently stated, women today are entitled victims. Any time a woman doesn’t get exactly what she wants, she can play victim and blame and punish a man.

Certainly men’s sexual desire for women is a huge motivation, but only a small percentage of men seek gratfication of that desire at the expense of all else. However, today that desire has been criminalized by sex-yule her-ass-mint laws and the greatly expanded definitions of “rayyyype.” Thus we have situations like the “30 second rapist” in which the rape conviction hinged on whether he pulled out within 15 seconds (he said) or it took him a whole 30 seconds (she said) to shift gears from uncontrolled passion to meek little boy.

Having listened all my life to women sneering at men for “thinking with their little heads instead of their big ones”, I have come to agree with what seems to be the sentiment of most women – that men really are stupid for being attracted to women.

As women are only now seeming to learn, their fertility takes a sharp drop in their late 20s. What few people will either discuss or admit is that male desire follows the same curve. It doesn’t surprise me that your 60 y/o friend wants mostly companionship – the sex drive of a man over 50 is a miniscule fraction of what it was at 17.

Over the years, aversive conditioning with all the hoops women make men jump through, their endless demands, and their sneering at us and being huffy because we find them attractive, pretty well extinguish whatever residual sex drive a lot of men have. Since my early 40s, the stereotypic sexual interaction has actually reversed and it has been women harassing the crap out of me for sex. Unfortunately, it isn’t the sex itself that they actually want – but rather the validation that they are still attractive (which they aren’t) and confirmation of their sexual power. Women have a tendency to use sex to jumpstart romance. I’ve generally found that if I don’t make the moves on a woman after 3 dates I invariably get the “are you gay” shaming ploy.

It’s great that you and your husband both have good SECOND marriages. But, your first ones are far more the rule out there than the one you have now.

Just don’t try to blow sunshine up our butts, and you will generally find us a congenial and pleasant lot.

If there are so many “good” women out there who would like to find a good man, let them make the effort to find us. We’re out here – but we’re tired of sorting through turds looking for the mythical tootsie roll.

“OK guys…you beat me up.”

I would rather that you had learned a bit about a the nature of women, rather than feeling beaten up, Joyanna.

“I didn’t realize that so many woman were messing up so many lives…guess I’m rare.”

That you didn’t realize that “so many women were messing up so many lives” is not particularly remarkable.

You just demonstrated a quality that men have provided a technical name for that’s called “obliviousness”.

“I am on my second marriage…and my husband is 15 years younger! And after 14 years we are still happy campers, even more so…so I guess we are an exception.

If he chose to marry a woman 15 years older than he is, you certainly are an exception.

“BUT…having said that..my husbands first wife was like all the ones you seem to have run into, and my first marriage was bad. They were both visions from hell. Boy, now sometimes you just don’t see it, do you?”

You, your husband, and your ex’s experiences certainly support overall U.S. divorce trends.

Out of curiousity, after you first heard your husband’s former wife described by him, did you admonish him to “control his testosterone”, by chance?…;-)

“Now, come on guys…I don’t want you all to be mad at me…”

I wouldn’t worry too much about that happening, Joyanna……. unless you continue to show continued signs of being oblivious to the nine kinds of hell unleashed on men on a daily basis through self-centered women and their senses of entitlement, all with the passive silence if not the outright blessing of the majority of American women.

“the courts do favor the woman”

The courts, the legislatures, the educational systems, the executive branch, corporations, law enforcement, and other aspects of society favor women.

And all of those facets of society pander to women.

All of them treat women as if they were entitled “victims”, in spite of obvious signs of opportunistic predatory behavior among individual women.

“and it seems from what you are saying that women are just out to get the guys money. Is it really that bad out there?”

Most contemporary American women have been infected with a sense of “entitlement”, that somehow they DESERVE “the guy’s money”.

Whether you describe such a sense of entitlement as “mercenary” (your husband can help you with THAT one!) or “legal prostitution”, is less relevant.

And if you REALLY care to know if it is “really that bad out there”, start listening to Tom Leykis’ radio talk show online at http://www.971freefm.com on a daily basis from 3PM to 7PM Pacific.

You may get mad as hell at first (many first-time female listeners do!), but you WILL CERTAINLY learn about some of the ugliest realities involving women in America if you do listen regularly for a while.

“Jeee…better stay single and happy then guys.”

(rolls eyes) Gee, thanks, Joyanna. I don’t know how I could have managed to prevent myself from voluntarily playing Russian Roulette with my life without your support!

“And hey, my friend admits he wants very badly to find someone at 60…he wants a companion. That’s what he told me.”

I don’t doubt his word on the matter.

Either he doesn’t have money, power, and fame, or he’s not SHOWING that he has money and power.

Any of those three attributes NEVER fail to attract women’s interest.

Hell, it’s like chumming for sharks.

If he doesn’t, he can still hope to find female companionship, though…. since women tend to outlive men, the pool of available prospects for women tends to shrink dramatically as they age.

“And as far as the sex thing…I thought it was a FACT, that we ARE only human, men and woman.”

Humans come with an astonishing variety of behaviors and characteristics, but 40 years of feminist ideology, permeating through government, education, courts, and other aspects of society have created some ugly sexual and reproductive consequences for men, children, and families in America.

“Men are usually the hunters. Been that way for quite a while.”

Men indeed have traditionally been hunters, but zed is spot-on with his summation: “men have to do all the work of initiating relationships and carrying them forward – by pandering to women’s ever changing and ever increasing demands.”

Don’t confuse men’s hunting prowess with women’s expectations that men continue to take risks when it clearly becomes not in their interests to do so.

“I know how hormones can really mess up your thinking (woman especially)”

You might know as much, but if any man were to simply state such an obvious observation in a corporate, government, or academic environment, the man could stand to lose his employment, his backing, and worse.

The feminazis would prefer that such men be castrated of course.

Just ask Larry Summers why he finally left his job as dean at Harvard.

“so if you say that “testosterome” has never played a part in clouding your decisions on a woman, then you are a remarkable and very rare man.”

In fact, testosterone does NOT cloud men’s decisions about women but their SEXUAL DRIVES certainly do.

And feminazi lobbyists, together with well-meaning chivalrists have long worked to turn men’s sexual drives against men, against their health, wealth, happiness, freedom, civil- and social rights and well-being.

Think about it for a moment: aspects of men’s sexual drives are openly mocked by many, if not most women, or considered “dirty” yet without those drives there would be no mankind.

Yet women’s reproductive drives are glorified (particularly by women) as something practically holy, even in the cases of those women who defraud men to satisfy their personal reproductive agendas or to pander to their egotistical senses of entitlement.

“(and I still hope you meet someone.)”

Meeting women isn’t particularly difficult, nor is having sex with them, provided that a guy protects himself from reproductive rape and other hazards inherent to sex with many contemporary women in Western nations.

Likewise, Zed is also spot-on when he wrote:
“Once a man “stops looking” he enters a different world – one in which peace of mind and spirit become his to a degree he could have never imagined as long as he chased the golden cooze.”

You are welcome to consider hoping that I “meet someone” as a friendly gesture……….

…..as long as you don’t hope that I am foolish enough to marry one of them.

OK guys…you beat me up.

I didn’t realize that so many woman were messing up so many lives…guess I’m rare.

I am on my second marriage…and my husband is 15 years younger! And after 14 years we are still happy campers, even more so…so I guess we are an exception.

And he is an x navy seal…my sailor. I adore him. And he adores me. Gee…I certainly never thought THAT would happen.

BUT…having said that..my husbands first wife was like all the ones you seem to have run into, and my first marriage was bad.

They were both visions from hell. Boy, now sometimes you just don’t see it, do you?

Now, come on guys…I don’t want you all to be mad at me…the courts do favor the woman, and it seems from what you are saying that women are just out to get the guys money. Is it really that bad out there?

Jeee…better stay single and happy then guys.

And hey, my friend admits he wants very badly to find someone at 60…he wants a companion. That’s what he told me.

And as far as the sex thing…I thought it was a FACT, that we ARE only human, men and woman. Men are usually the hunters. Been that way for quite a while.

And yes, I try to control my “estrogen” and PMS all the time. I know how hormones can really mess up your thinking (woman especially) …so if you say that “testosterome” has never played a part in clouding your decisions on a woman, then you are a remarkable and very rare man.

Even Einstein, a great mind by many standards, could not control, nor did he want to, his sexual conquests we have learned.

Hey, guys,…I adore you all, thanks for helping clear it all up.

(and I still hope you meet someone.) Yes, just call me Polly. Oh..humor me.

Hal
And they have the best marriages too. (I didn’t say religious people. I said Christians.)

Ok, I happen to agree with you… but… what happens when a man meets a woman who was raised in Christian family, went to a Christian School, graduated from a Christian College… claimed ‘Christian’ until she was blue in the face and then after getting married (because you never know someone until you live with them) turns out to be violent, dishonest, selfish, and unfaithful.

Then with the complete approval of her church (Orthodox Presbyterian) goes off and marries another man. That other man who tithes 10% of his income to the church and that ex-wife who is great with music… meaning, it was a good business decision to ‘bless’ an adulterous union.

LOTS of so-called Christians are materialistic, self-centered upper-middle class jerks and ‘Praise Jesus’ simply because they are a bit better of than the other guy. Most Evangelicals are the anti-thesis of Job, James 2 and most other places in the Bible where God condemns the rich for their failure to help those less-fortunate than themselves. And I would say your average divorced man in this country is very unfortunate indeed.

My only question concerns the study Mr. Bass used to scribe his article.

He’s just a typical optimistic Christian. The group which just happens to be the happiest, most well-balanced group of people in America. And they have the best marriages too. (I didn’t say religious people. I said Christians.)

Man, I’m almost intimidated to post on this article.

BUT!

My only question concerns the study Mr. Bass used to scribe his article.

I am interested in where Drs. Kaplan and Mr. Kronick got there data from. Both being from California where the divorce rate is up around 70% and the rest of the country hovering around 50 – 60%; how can anyone consider there data to be credible.

For the rest of the article I’ll have to stand with Eric Johnson’s opinions. I too, wish marriage was the answer, but the risks just outweigh the benefits.

Joyanna Adams said,

And yes, marriage is great. I know a 60 years old guy right now who is totally miserable. He’s had more sex than Bill Clinton, he didn’t want to give up the feast, and now, he is facing dying alone, and I’ve never seen such panic.

(this also works at sporting events)

ROFLMAO – sporting events?

I’ll take your word on you 60 y/o friend, and then look around at all the married men with children that I know who are just waiting things out until the kids graduate. I’ll look at my buddy who is a 64 y/o doctor whose wife of over 20 years bailed on him and went after his assets vigourously enough to spend over $100,000 on lawyers fees. He only spent $30,000 trying to protect what he had worked all his life to accomplish, but apparently it was enough because he got to keep everything, doesn’t have to pay for her attorney or medical bills, and pays her alimony of $1 per year.

He will “die alone”, but still wealthy despite the best efforts of his ex-wife to prevent that.

Your snotty comments about men’s interest in sex are worn out from over-use. Contrary to what your wimminist friends have told you, sex is not the be-all and end-all of existance for men. It is only one of many things which are important to us. Most women are so dysfuntional sexually, not to mention ridden with STDs, that once a man gets past his mid-30s it often becomes far more trouble than it is worth.

I stopped looking over 10 years ago, and so far the “right girl” has not fallen in my lap. Your comment shows your typically female perspective because men have to do all the work of initiating relationships and carrying them forward – by pandering to women’s ever changing and ever increasing demands. Once a man “stops looking” he enters a different world – one in which peace of mind and spirit become his to a degree he could have never imagined as long as he chased the golden cooze.

So, Joyanna, or Pollyanna, keep right on living in your little fantasy world. I’m sure that marriage is great for you, but increasingly it amounts to a prison sentence for men.

We all die alone. Death is the ultimate solitary experience. I think what you probably mean is “live alone until you die.” Well, I have been far less lonely as a single man than I ever was while I was in a relationship with a narcissisitic, self-obsessed woman whose only concern in life was her needs and how good I was making her feel.

Go peddal your snake-oil somewhere else, the market is drying up.

“Wow guys!! Sounds like the majority of you have met some real b–busters!”

Welcome to the world of men, Joyanna.

The number of men who have had negative experiences with women pretty much covers most individuals born with penises.

“You need to think up some tests for these girls to pass, or get a hold on your testosterone (meaning thinking of just ONE of your needs) before deciding on a mate.”

If you can manage to think of any test capable of predicting women’s future behaviors, particularly their future certainty of filing for divorce, cheating on their husbands, committing paternity fraud, reproductive rape, or any number of irresponsible or self-centered behaviors,……..
…. DO NOT WALK – RUN TO THE NEAREST PATENT OFFICE!

You could retire comfortably on your own island from the licensing proceeds and become America’s patron saint of bachelors in the process.

Obviously you don’t have much of a male sex drive, either, which explains why you would make such a statement about “getting a hold of one’s testosterone.

Don’t confuse men’s hardwired drive to stick their penises inside women with a wish to reproduce (although the feminazis would rather gnaw off their own breasts rather than accept that fact).

Tell me, Joyanna – just how would you expect most single mothers to react if you asked them to “get hold of their estrogen”?

“If the woman has the children, despite what you think—changing diapers, cleaning vomint, doing wash, talking baby talk, stopping fights, worrying every day, ….takes sacrifice. Money isn’t all to raising a child, it’s only one of the problems.”

Since every woman controls her own fertility (there are eleven forms of birth control available to women)………

……plus the right to abortion…….

…….plus the right to abandon newborn infants within 72 hours of birth……..

…….. those women who are changing diapers WANTED to do so.

Men, on the other hand, are subject to reproductive rape, since their rights to choose their own fertility beyond using either of those two existing forms of male birth control are essentially nonexistent.

If you can manage to find any American women who gave birth to children against their own will and are required to support them against their will, not to mention against all common sense, let me know.

“And in it all, despite YOUR pain, or your x’s, it’s your children who in their silence and pain…who are suffering the most.”

Ahhhh….. “the children card”.

You can lay that guilt trip on the women who decided to give birth to those children, since it’s all about THEIR “choice”, remember?

“Fathers are needed as much as the mothers in every child’s life. Our country is suffering from too many fatherless children. Who cares what caused it? We need to address it…right?”

Kudos for recognizing fathers’ importance, but if you don’t understand that children raised without their fathers generally are born to women who don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone but themselves and THEIR priorities, you will have difficulties addressing the actual raison d’etre for most of those children.

There are irresponsible men in the world, to be sure.

But women are free to breed irresponsibly without social stigma, and even be financially rewarded for defrauding men in the process.

No matter how hard they try, no man can FORCE a woman to give birth to an unwanted child.

Until the male birth control pill is available, men have only vasectomy and condoms for birth control.

And men have very little in the way of reproductive rights, which helps explain why even female teachers guilty of statutory rape of their students can still collect child support from the boys’ parents.

“And yes, marriage is great.”

It certainly is great for those men who haven’t been divorced, financially raped, cheated on, separated from his own children, driven from his own home, and criminalized by their own wives.

And it’s certainly great for those men who are not existing in sexless marriages, nagged, belittled, used as a sperm donor and walking ATM card.

“I know a 60 years old guy right now who is totally miserable. He’s had more sex than Bill Clinton, he didn’t want to give up the feast, and now, he is facing dying alone, and I’ve never seen such panic.”

But you probably know MANY MORE married men who exist in bleak, sexless lives, their free time activities dictated by some egocentric woman with her claws on hubby’s credit cards and whose nag-from-hell routine is a matter of daily record.

And you probably know many more men who were divorced by their “loving” wives for reasons ranging from boredom to financial greed to an apparent inability to keep their commitments.

By the way, like many other women, you apparently have difficulties working through the logic that marriage is a damned ineffective means of attempting to ensure that one doesn’t die alone, given that half of all marriages fall apart.

And while your 60-year-old buddy might indeed be miserable, he’s certainly not miserable BECAUSE he “had more sex than Bill Clinton”.

Does it seem as if Hugh Hefner is suffering much?

Whether or not he is married when he dies, do you believe that he will be miserable because of all of the sex that he’s had?

“Anyway, the good news is, it sounds like you’ve all stop looking! Which is just when the right girl usually comes along. It’s some kind of universal law…when you least expect it, and you even fight it…watch out.”

Quite a few American men believed that they found “the right girl” and married them, only to discover that she actually ISN’T all that interested in sex compared with say, deficit spending, and have been paying alimony and/or child support, lost their homes, access to their own children, their bank accounts, and even their precious few freedoms at the whim of those girls.

Hey, you’re welcome to remain an incurable optimist………

……. but then again, you aren’t likely to marry any women, are you?

Well Joyanna, I don’t know what test would even be meaningful in predicting whether a woman is sincere in her claim to be seeking true partnership. From what I’ve seen, the bad ones are quite adept at saying just the right things to give the impression that they’re totally sincere. I’d even go so far as to say that they actually believe in their own sincerity.

Indeed, it’s one of the problems with the different ways in which women’s and men’s brains work. Women grow up with a highly developed sense of the verbal, and IME, often view a man’s reaction to her problems negatively if he doesn’t give them appropriate lip service, even if he does nothing about them. But if he acts to actually solve or relieve those problems, even at great personal cost, many women will not even acknowledge that sacrifice if not accompanied by the expected, even if irrelevant, verbal comfort.

Often, a woman will sublimate her irritation with this trait during the courting phase, figuring she can change him once they’re married. But when she discovers that she can’t force her man to set aside his fundamental nature to suit her whim, she blames him for her failure. And with a legal system massively biased in her favor, why shouldn’t she assume that her needs come first, and that she’s entitled to demand that he change for her, and leave and be compensated if he doesn’t, or can’t?

This won’t change, Joyanna, unless the laws do first. Until those laws change, I’m out of the market, simply because to remain in it is much too risky. It’s the law that’s encouraging such behavior in the first place.

Wow guys!! Sounds like the majority of you have met some real b–busters! You need to think up some tests for these girls to pass, or get a hold on your testosterone (meaning thinking of just ONE of your needs) before deciding on a mate.

If the woman has the children, despite what you think—changing diapers, cleaning vomint, doing wash, talking baby talk, stopping fights, worrying every day, ….takes sacrifice. Money isn’t all to raising a child, it’s only one of the problems.

And in it all, despite YOUR pain, or your x’s, it’s your children who in their silence and pain…who are suffering the most.

Just because they don’t talk about it, doesn’t mean it isn’t festering.

Fathers are needed as much as the mothers in every child’s life. Our country is suffering from too many fatherless children. Who cares what caused it? We need to address it…right?

And yes, marriage is great. I know a 60 years old guy right now who is totally miserable. He’s had more sex than Bill Clinton, he didn’t want to give up the feast, and now, he is facing dying alone, and I’ve never seen such panic.

Anyway, the good news is, it sounds like you’ve all stop looking! Which is just when the right girl usually comes along. It’s some kind of universal law…when you least expect it, and you even fight it…watch out.

(this also works at sporting events)

Hal to DadWithGirls:

And if you are too stupid to understand what a good woman is, then there is no hope for you.

You introduced the term, Hal. As I see it, it’s your responsibility now to define what you meant by it. A “good woman” is many different things to many different men. The ad hominem argument remains unconvincing, no matter the vituperation with which it is delivered.

Besides, what is the alternative? Being angry and alone? Spending your days whining on a message board?

For me, the alternative is spending my days more relaxed and unstressed than I’ve ever been in marriage. The alternative is having meaningful control over my finances. The alternative is dealing with my grown children directly, not through the filter of a spouse’s mean-spirited attempts to elevate her image by denigration of my motives. In short, it’s heaven, relatively speaking.

Don’t get me wrong; I’d love to find a woman who’s actually willing to be an equal partner in life and marriage. But most Western women view that as a step down, and refuse, usually while proclaiming their desire for the very equality they eschew.

With the odds for successful subsequent marriages running at less than 40%, I’m out of the market. Indeed, the only women I’d even consider are those who are substantially wealthier than I am, women who, even with their massive legal advantage, still stand to lose in a divorce. If you want to call that cowardice, so be it. I call it wisdom.

But Dave Usher is right, too, that marriage, within a truly neutral legal framework, is indeed the foundation for a stable and prosperous society. “Globalism, NAFTA, Wal-Mart class warfare, and other macro-economic aggression against working people and families” can only succeed in harming us if there is no solid social framework, based on marriage, to oppose them. He therefore does not preach support for marriage in a vacuum, but states quite clearly that state and national policies that create an incentive for women to divorce must end. I honestly don’t know what more can be asked than that.

Lots of good information on staying alive through marriage but there are safer ways to live a long and fruitful life. Perhaps a lack of life experience is behind Mr. Bass’ utopian view of matrimony.

It’s safer to pack one’s own parachute before taking a leap from a perfectly good airplane than it is to trust the government to do that for you. The benefits of tying the knot would work but only when the money bull’s eye is taken off marriage. Until then it’s less painful to jump, even without that’chute.

Until America’s current divorce laws are repealed, there are simply no benefits for men to marry that are not also available to men without marriage.

The risks to American men’s health, wealth, and well-being from divorce are substantial.

And a sizeable percentage of those marriages that continue involve men who have joined the living dead, married but sucked dry of life, happiness, and many of those personal freedoms they took for granted….. before they married.

Their marriages may result in them becoming henpecked, ridiculed, neglected, or worse…… often under threats of losing contact with their children, paying vaginamony, or even false domestic violence reports.

Under American divorce laws, wives can cheat on their husbands….. in fact they can have sex with other men right in front of their husbands, yet STILL win custody of the children, still take her husband’s past, present, and future earnings, have her husband evicted from his own house, even have him criminalized through trumped-up domestic violence charges.

And in increasing numbers, American men are recognizing this reality and opting out of marriage.

There’s little doubt that healthy heterosexual marriages benefit children in particular, and society in general.

And since women generally bear little of the risk involved with marriage those benefits inherent to married women generally serve them well.

I don’t doubt that marriage CAN benefit men, but only the foolhardy and the blindly trusting care to play Russian Roulette with 3 loaded cylinders.

There’s a lot to be said for choosing one’s mate well, but the truth of the matter is that the wives that men choose today may very well change their priorities down the road on a whim, without regard for anyone’s health and well-being but their own egotistical selves.

And American family law will generally support HER choice at the expense of HIS well-being, if she decides that she’s bored, needs a change, or starts cheating on her husband, or wracks up a mountain of debt and files for divorce under “irreconcileable differences”.

Until men are provided with the same rights to be in the family as women have to be in the workplace………

……. just pump them and dump them.

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What does she do that gets you to defile your brothers as “weak?”

“She” doesn’t do anything. And I didn’t define my “brothers” as weak. I said YOU are.

And if you are too stupid to understand what a good woman is, then there is no hope for you.

Besides, what is the alternative? Being angry and alone? Spending your days whining on a message board?

My problem is that all these pro=marriage types discount and ignore the Huge risk men take when they marry and procreate- far larger of a risk than the woman takes.

Agreed. And what can be changed with the law should be changed. But the human nature part won’t be affected, whatever the laws say. Men need to be the protectors. I think that’s what causes divorced men the biggest problems. Being unable to protect my children would give me nightmares.

“Snootfish” (quote) — “DadWithGirls: You are way too harsh …”

Perhaps “not being nice” to people who are selling you a crock of shit is in fact a conservative, even measured reaction?

I didn’t say that David R. Usher should be killed, or banned, or silenced. I merely asked him a reasonable question, which he cannot answer. (At least his silence is honest, unlike his periodic screeds…)

“Hal” worked overtime to craft this lofty thesis — ‘He BANNED me from his blog and from MND’s comments threaded to his posts.’ “He banned you because you are a hateful blog-troll.”

That’s deep Hal. Really, truly DEEP!

When (if) you graduate from high school, we must take up the matter of your rhetorical liabilities. The cognitive challenges will have to be assessed later on…

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(E.J. citing) Hal – “Whatever you guys think, Bass is right. I went through many witches before I found a good woman. They are out there, if you aren’t too weak to keep looking.”

Now, this is interesting.

A man who has found a good woman, after going through (WTF?) many witches, now proclaims that MEN ARE WEAK if they should chose to stop chasing after pussy.

Am I reducing Hal’s wisdom too much?

Is he saying that the essence of masculinity is to NEVER STOP LOOKING FOR THE PERFECT PUSSY?

Well, to be fair, he used the phrase — “good woman.”

But, Hal, you did not DEFINE anything about what constitutes a “good” woman.

What are her intellectual qualities?
What are her emotional skills?
What does she do that gets you to defile your brothers as “weak?”

Hal… Hal ????

“We seem to have a problem Hal….”

Hal
Whatever you guys think, Bass is right. I went through many witches before I found a good woman. They are out there, if you aren’t too weak to keep looking.

And how do you know your ‘good woman’ wasn’t some other guy’s witch? There are lots of women who cash in on husband one, then play nice with husband two. Happens all the time.

And by the way, there is nothing about the Presbyterian church that is conservative. It’s just another Catholic wanna-be.

There are a number of Presbyterian denominations which are very conservative, the Presbyterian Church in America and the Orthodox Presbyterian Chruch being at the front of the line.

Lastly, I’m not denying or disagreeing with much of what Bass said. My problem is that all these pro=marriage types discount and ignore the Huge risk men take when they marry and procreate- far larger of a risk than the woman takes.

He BANNED me from his blog and from MND’s comments threaded to his posts.

He banned you because you are a hateful blog-troll.

So, the guys on the right (James Dobson, Neil Clark Warren and anyone with the Promise Keepers) have my utter contempt.

I’m sure they are crying in their sleep because of it.

Whatever you guys think, Bass is right. I went through many witches before I found a good woman. They are out there, if you aren’t too weak to keep looking.

And by the way, there is nothing about the Presbyterian church that is conservative. It’s just another Catholic wanna-be.

DadWithGirls:

You are way too harsh. A strong family is not going to solve all the world’s problems, but it would provide a strong foundation for solving the problems. We do not have that foundation now.

Many of our children are growing up badly — a consequences of fatherless homes. Our government is growing way too large and powerful as it attempts to play substitute daddy to everyone. We are imprisoning way too many people — a consequence of both of the both. A long list of ills could be made that strong families would help. David Usher’s work is valuable.

First, sorry about my mispellings and so forth in my first post…

I always get hacked off when these folks on the right tell us ‘marriage cures all’ and NEVER address the fact that men are screwed if their woves change their minds.

I wish I were married, I wish the woman I had four kids was a balanced, honorable woman but she isn’t. She attends a very conservative church (Orthodox Presbyterian) and was remarried in that domination with the church’s blessing; and yes, I lodged a number of vocal and written complaints that they were sanctioning her remarriage.

So, the guys on the right (James Dobson, Neil Clark Warren and anyone with the Promise Keepers) have my utter contempt. They have done nothing to help wrongly divorced men in this country and until they do I’m not interested in their opinions or assertions.

My beef with all these evangelical Christian pro-marriage let’s-go-back-to-the-50′s clones (David R. Usher being their Grand Wizard) is that they’re fools.

Their thesis is so increduously simple — marriage will solve our social problems.

No, it won’t!

It didn’t in the past, and it won’t now or in the future.

These matrimonial ideologues have real cognitive problems with cause-and-effect logic, and exhibit absolutely no sense of history or social context.

Most especially, they refuse to look at how the so-called nuclear family with its long-lost patriarchal father/master/provider has been destroyed by globalism, NAFTA, Wal-Mart class warfare, and other macro-economic aggression against working people and families.

I asked David R. Usher to answer the simple question — “After everybody gets married, then what?” (i.e. What social miracle will occur?)

He BANNED me from his blog and from MND’s comments threaded to his posts.

That is revealing indeed.

These pro-marriage right wing-nuts are selling a cat in a bag….

Wanna buy one?

That all may be true… BUT…

What man in his right mind is willing to ‘roll the dice’ and hope his wife is worth the risk? Who wants to take the ultimate modern gamble of State Controlled Marriage (because it does control marriage via divorce) and run the 40% risk that you will eventually end up bankrupt, distitute, incarcerated and removed from your children’s live… while this women who promised to be your mate for life is teaching Your Kids call some other clown daddy? Usually with the approval of your average church or synagogue?

If the gays want modern America marriage they can have it.