Comments on: A Question of Mack or Murtari http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:40:53 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: valentine http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/comment-page-1/#comment-26874 valentine Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:51:00 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/#comment-26874 My gosh, you all are overlooking the entire reason Charla filed for the divorce in the first place! She was scared of the guy. Plain and simple. And she Obviously had good reason to be. The guy was an out of control brute (3 times as big as she was) and in to "swingers" types of marriage and she wanted out. She did the right thing. She filed for a divorce. That's what civilized people do. He had the means to pay child support and alimony. All he had to do was act like a civilized human being and he would still be enjoying a free life, his child, and his swinger's lifestyle. For some reason, when it comes to obeying court orders, men snap. They do not want to be told what to do, what to pay, or how to act. This has become the norm in our society today. Practically every other week you read of a wife - who has filed for divorce... opps, all of a sudden ending up dead. Please folks! Is it any wonder why we have had to resort to "anger management classes" for everyone now? I am so sick of reading about men who freak out and all of a sudden stop working or hide assets for the transparent purpose of avoiding responsibility to their children, or up and murder their wives (and unborn children no less) just because they want to go off and play now. This guy even shot a judge. He was totally out of control and should be behind bars. My gosh, you all are overlooking the entire reason Charla filed for the divorce in the first place! She was scared of the guy. Plain and simple. And she Obviously had good reason to be. The guy was an out of control brute (3 times as big as she was) and in to “swingers” types of marriage and she wanted out. She did the right thing. She filed for a divorce. That’s what civilized people do. He had the means to pay child support and alimony. All he had to do was act like a civilized human being and he would still be enjoying a free life, his child, and his swinger’s lifestyle. For some reason, when it comes to obeying court orders, men snap. They do not want to be told what to do, what to pay, or how to act. This has become the norm in our society today. Practically every other week you read of a wife – who has filed for divorce… opps, all of a sudden ending up dead. Please folks! Is it any wonder why we have had to resort to “anger management classes” for everyone now? I am so sick of reading about men who freak out and all of a sudden stop working or hide assets for the transparent purpose of avoiding responsibility to their children, or up and murder their wives (and unborn children no less) just because they want to go off and play now.

This guy even shot a judge. He was totally out of control and should be behind bars.

]]> By: deepblue http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/comment-page-1/#comment-17919 deepblue Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:47:25 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/#comment-17919 Here is quote from a historical American document know as The Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That <b>whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."</b> Here is quote from a historical American document know as The Declaration of Independence,

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

]]> By: » Passive Resister for Civil Rights, Murtari’s Health Deteriorating Again http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/comment-page-1/#comment-16779 » Passive Resister for Civil Rights, Murtari’s Health Deteriorating Again Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:26:13 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/#comment-16779 [...] . . Dennis with 101UsesForBabyWipes sent me this link to the audio version of John’s interview on News10Now.  I’m not sure how long the video will be on their website, but Dennis said he’ll keep the audio link online as long as we need it.  Please send the audio and video links to everyone you can think of who might help with our cause. . Doctors removed John’s feeding tube Monday so his throat could heal and he could get some sleep.  Wednesday the plan to reinsert it was changed because he was no longer dehydrated.  They wanted him to eat on his own, or at least to just be on a liquid diet.  John declined, saying he’s starting over, no food or water at all, except a small amount of water to keep his mouth dry.  His health was expected to decline more rapidly than the first time since he’s starting out in poor health, and it is. . When John called me this morning it was obvious he’s already feeling the effects of dehydration.  He lost his train-of-thought a couple of times.  At least this time he remembered after a moment.  A few days ago John weighed around 145 lbs.  Today he weighs 136.  His blood sugar is 60, which is borderline.  He plans on conserving his energy over the weekend.  I don’t expect to hear from him again until Monday, which concerns me considering how quickly his health is declining. . First and foremost he wants me to thank all of you for your support.  It means so much to him.  John is praying at least 3 times a day and says it’s his faith that gives him the courage to follow his convictions.  He says he appreciates your prayers and letters very much.  (Please keep the letters coming.)  He also wants me to remind everyone to be kind when acting on his behalf.  He wants us to criticize the system, not individuals. . John’s address in jail changes, you can get updates here.  Today it’s: . John Murtari POD 5A-9 555 South State Street Syracuse, NY 13202 . John’s attorney, Charles Keller, visited him in jail today.  He told John that Judge Hedges made it clear he would not allow John to appear in front of him again, that John’s only choices were to accept probation or do the time.  Mr. Keller expects to appear in front of an appellate judge early next week.  He’s going to ask for a stay which would get John out of jail.  John would appreciate donations to cover the paperwork.  Mr. Keller has received over $300, but we need $400.  Thank you to those who’ve donated! . Mr. Charles Keller Esq. Att: Murtari Legal Defense 9416 Carousel Center Drive Syracuse, New York 13290 . John is happy about the coverage we’ve gotten.  He’d like you to thank the reporters, editors and/or producers: . Krights Internet Radio, 8/3/06 . Glenn Sacks Enewsletter 8/8/06 . Jailed Activist Refusing Food Post Standard - August 10 - . Lyons Man Refuses Food, Water Finger Lake Times - August 10 - . Inmate: I don’t recommend…this. Protesting child custody laws, John Murtari stopped eating 10 days ago Post Standard, 8/12/06 . Inmate from Lyons gets feeding tube Finger Lakes Times, 8/15/06 . 101UsesForBabyWipes Podcast (33 mins in), 8/17/06 . Michael McManus Syndicated Column August 19 . Letters in Support printed Post Standard, August 22 . Glenn Sacks Enewsletter 8/22/06 . A Question of Mack or Murtari Mens News Daily, August 23 . Syracuse inmate on hunger strike News10Now, August 23 . Numerous Blogs . John would also like you to call the news outlets that haven’t run a story yet, especially the television stations: . WHEC TV (NBC) - Main Number: 585-546-5670 News Hot Line: 585-232-1010, . WHAM TV (ABC) - Newsroom: 585-222-1313 Newsroom Hotline: 585-334-8743, [...] [...] . . Dennis with 101UsesForBabyWipes sent me this link to the audio version of John’s interview on News10Now.  I’m not sure how long the video will be on their website, but Dennis said he’ll keep the audio link online as long as we need it.  Please send the audio and video links to everyone you can think of who might help with our cause. . Doctors removed John’s feeding tube Monday so his throat could heal and he could get some sleep.  Wednesday the plan to reinsert it was changed because he was no longer dehydrated.  They wanted him to eat on his own, or at least to just be on a liquid diet.  John declined, saying he’s starting over, no food or water at all, except a small amount of water to keep his mouth dry.  His health was expected to decline more rapidly than the first time since he’s starting out in poor health, and it is. . When John called me this morning it was obvious he’s already feeling the effects of dehydration.  He lost his train-of-thought a couple of times.  At least this time he remembered after a moment.  A few days ago John weighed around 145 lbs.  Today he weighs 136.  His blood sugar is 60, which is borderline.  He plans on conserving his energy over the weekend.  I don’t expect to hear from him again until Monday, which concerns me considering how quickly his health is declining. . First and foremost he wants me to thank all of you for your support.  It means so much to him.  John is praying at least 3 times a day and says it’s his faith that gives him the courage to follow his convictions.  He says he appreciates your prayers and letters very much.  (Please keep the letters coming.)  He also wants me to remind everyone to be kind when acting on his behalf.  He wants us to criticize the system, not individuals. . John’s address in jail changes, you can get updates here.  Today it’s: . John Murtari POD 5A-9 555 South State Street Syracuse, NY 13202 . John’s attorney, Charles Keller, visited him in jail today.  He told John that Judge Hedges made it clear he would not allow John to appear in front of him again, that John’s only choices were to accept probation or do the time.  Mr. Keller expects to appear in front of an appellate judge early next week.  He’s going to ask for a stay which would get John out of jail.  John would appreciate donations to cover the paperwork.  Mr. Keller has received over $300, but we need $400.  Thank you to those who’ve donated! . Mr. Charles Keller Esq. Att: Murtari Legal Defense 9416 Carousel Center Drive Syracuse, New York 13290 . John is happy about the coverage we’ve gotten.  He’d like you to thank the reporters, editors and/or producers: . Krights Internet Radio, 8/3/06 . Glenn Sacks Enewsletter 8/8/06 . Jailed Activist Refusing Food Post Standard – August 10 – . Lyons Man Refuses Food, Water Finger Lake Times – August 10 – . Inmate: I don’t recommend…this. Protesting child custody laws, John Murtari stopped eating 10 days ago Post Standard, 8/12/06 . Inmate from Lyons gets feeding tube Finger Lakes Times, 8/15/06 . 101UsesForBabyWipes Podcast (33 mins in), 8/17/06 . Michael McManus Syndicated Column August 19 . Letters in Support printed Post Standard, August 22 . Glenn Sacks Enewsletter 8/22/06 . A Question of Mack or Murtari Mens News Daily, August 23 . Syracuse inmate on hunger strike News10Now, August 23 . Numerous Blogs . John would also like you to call the news outlets that haven’t run a story yet, especially the television stations: . WHEC TV (NBC) – Main Number: 585-546-5670 News Hot Line: 585-232-1010, . WHAM TV (ABC) – Newsroom: 585-222-1313 Newsroom Hotline: 585-334-8743, [...]

]]> By: Roger Knight http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/comment-page-1/#comment-16764 Roger Knight Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:57:03 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/#comment-16764 Just remember that Charla Mack enlisted the aid of tyrants. She, as the client, had the authority to require that her lawyer be reasonable and she did not and perhaps refused to be reasonable. I understand being appalled at Darren Mack's murder of the mother of his children. I am also appalled at the behavior of this mother. If the jury convicts Mack of murdering his wife, I would consider that the appropriate thing for them to do, provided that evidence presented actually proves the charge beyond reasonable doubt. If, however, upon drawing the conclusion that the crime was proven beyond reasonable doubt and the jury elected to do the jury nullification thing in consideration of all of the circumstances, I would also consider that the appropriate thing to do. Provided afterwards, the jury is honest about it and willing to explain their reasons for their decision. Just remember that Charla Mack enlisted the aid of tyrants. She, as the client, had the authority to require that her lawyer be reasonable and she did not and perhaps refused to be reasonable.
I understand being appalled at Darren Mack’s murder of the mother of his children. I am also appalled at the behavior of this mother.
If the jury convicts Mack of murdering his wife, I would consider that the appropriate thing for them to do, provided that evidence presented actually proves the charge beyond reasonable doubt. If, however, upon drawing the conclusion that the crime was proven beyond reasonable doubt and the jury elected to do the jury nullification thing in consideration of all of the circumstances, I would also consider that the appropriate thing to do.
Provided afterwards, the jury is honest about it and willing to explain their reasons for their decision.

]]> By: AbusedFather http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/comment-page-1/#comment-16739 AbusedFather Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:36:55 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/#comment-16739 The child support system in this country is run by a bunch of Nazis. I've been viciously abused the Los Angeles County Child Support Services Department for a year. To date they and their shysters (including but not limited to: Dennis Coe, Lori A. Cruz, Deborah Echeverria, etc.) have illegally garnished my wages WITHOUT a valid court order, intentionally REFUSE to abide by a Court Orders (the first one was dated April 17, 2006) etc. Even though shyster Dennis Coe personally SIGNED the court order that states that I've OVERPAID my child support he and his thugs continue to (as recently as TODAY): 1. Garnish my unemployement checks 2. fraudulently report me to the credit bureaus as being 90 days past due (remember, I've OVERPAID) 3. Regularly refuse to respond to letters from my attorney 4. LIE 5. Have STOLEN my tax refunds 6. garnish my wages etc., etc. A new site has been established report on the Los Angeles County Child Support Nazis and an e-mail letter writing campaign is now being started. The web site is located at: http://www.lacochildsupport.org Details about the e-mail campaign are found at: http://www.lacochildsupport.org/horrors/viewtopic.php?t=7 Please write to the bastards at LA County today - shyster Dennis Coe whined to my attorney, nearly two weeks ago, when his e-mail address was first posted. Of course, sleaze bag shyster Coe has also continued to REFUSE to stop his real abuse of me. Again, please write today. The child support system in this country is run by a bunch of Nazis. I’ve been viciously abused the Los Angeles County Child Support Services Department for a year. To date they and their shysters (including but not limited to: Dennis Coe, Lori A. Cruz, Deborah Echeverria, etc.) have illegally garnished my wages WITHOUT a valid court order, intentionally REFUSE to abide by a Court Orders (the first one was dated April 17, 2006) etc. Even though shyster Dennis Coe personally SIGNED the court order that states that I’ve OVERPAID my child support he and his thugs continue to (as recently as TODAY):

1. Garnish my unemployement checks
2. fraudulently report me to the credit bureaus as being 90 days past due (remember, I’ve OVERPAID)
3. Regularly refuse to respond to letters from my attorney
4. LIE
5. Have STOLEN my tax refunds
6. garnish my wages

etc., etc.

A new site has been established report on the Los Angeles County Child Support Nazis and an e-mail letter writing campaign is now being started.

The web site is located at:

http://www.lacochildsupport.org

Details about the e-mail campaign are found at:

http://www.lacochildsupport.org/horrors/viewtopic.php?t=7

Please write to the bastards at LA County today – shyster Dennis Coe whined to my attorney, nearly two weeks ago, when his e-mail address was first posted. Of course, sleaze bag shyster Coe has also continued to REFUSE to stop his real abuse of me. Again, please write today.

]]> By: Eric Johnson http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/comment-page-1/#comment-16717 Eric Johnson Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:29:17 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/#comment-16717 <b>jriolo</b> <i> absolutely do not believe that Darren can be forgiven for killing his wife though. She may have initiated the divorce, but she was not the one responsible for taking his rights.</i> Agreed. When he did that, he simply left his youngest child effectively an orphan. jriolo
absolutely do not believe that Darren can be forgiven for killing his wife though. She may have initiated the divorce, but she was not the one responsible for taking his rights.

Agreed. When he did that, he simply left his youngest child effectively an orphan.

]]> By: jsriolo http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/comment-page-1/#comment-16714 jsriolo Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:48:47 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/#comment-16714 If my life was destroyed by someone who was breaking the law and their oath to uphold justice then I don't think my actions would be as respectable as what John is doing. I absolutely do not believe that Darren can be forgiven for killing his wife though. She may have initiated the divorce, but she was not the one responsible for taking his rights. If my life was destroyed by someone who was breaking the law and their oath to uphold justice then I don’t think my actions would be as respectable as what John is doing. I absolutely do not believe that Darren can be forgiven for killing his wife though. She may have initiated the divorce, but she was not the one responsible for taking his rights.

]]> By: Roger Knight http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/comment-page-1/#comment-16700 Roger Knight Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:52:59 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/23/a-question-of-mack-or-murtari/#comment-16700 I respect John Mutari to the Nth degree. He is helping us, no doubt about that. But I refuse to condemn Darren Mack or anyone else who resorts to the Second Amendment when all other Amendments are denied. Simply put Mack's alleged approach (I am still not convinced he was cool enough to have pulled off the sniper attack so successfully only a few hours after sending his wife on the her hearing before the angels at the Pearly Gates.) appeals to those of us who believe that quietly going off to Auschwitz and obediently stepping into the gas chamber is an unsatisfactory way of dealing with tyrants. There is a fellow named Thomas Blatt, who wrote some books about his experience at Sobibor. He was the child who led the Camp Commandant to a place where other guests of the German taxpayers could insert knives into him and take his keys to the weapons locker for the machine guns. Then they used the guns to shoot their way out of the death camp and ran the minefields for the forest. It must have been the most fun they ever had in their lives! Giving back to the fuckheads what they fucking deserved! Even if they got killed while doing it. Even if they stepped on one of the mines on the way out. It must have been a blast! To kill a fucker who fucking deserves it has got to be more fun than the best sex ever to those of us who have been robbed, extorted, and ordered into peonage by fuckheaded assholes who give not a shit about the idea of what the United States is all about! That is the temptation that so far most of us have resisted. Pardon my use of Old English terminology. I respect John Mutari to the Nth degree. He is helping us, no doubt about that. But I refuse to condemn Darren Mack or anyone else who resorts to the Second Amendment when all other Amendments are denied. Simply put Mack’s alleged approach (I am still not convinced he was cool enough to have pulled off the sniper attack so successfully only a few hours after sending his wife on the her hearing before the angels at the Pearly Gates.) appeals to those of us who believe that quietly going off to Auschwitz and obediently stepping into the gas chamber is an unsatisfactory way of dealing with tyrants.
There is a fellow named Thomas Blatt, who wrote some books about his experience at Sobibor. He was the child who led the Camp Commandant to a place where other guests of the German taxpayers could insert knives into him and take his keys to the weapons locker for the machine guns.
Then they used the guns to shoot their way out of the death camp and ran the minefields for the forest.
It must have been the most fun they ever had in their lives! Giving back to the fuckheads what they fucking deserved! Even if they got killed while doing it. Even if they stepped on one of the mines on the way out.
It must have been a blast!
To kill a fucker who fucking deserves it has got to be more fun than the best sex ever to those of us who have been robbed, extorted, and ordered into peonage by fuckheaded assholes who give not a shit about the idea of what the United States is all about!
That is the temptation that so far most of us have resisted.
Pardon my use of Old English terminology.

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