Pollyanna Answered
I have to say, it has to be tough to be an idealistic person with a romantic streak, especially if you’re a woman. You see a man, he’s charming, witty, all those things one dreams of – and doesn’t want a thing to do with you, or any of the women you might want to set him up with. He’s divorced. Maybe twice. And he’s just not going to play that game again. Dates. Weekend getaways. Sure. Might even become an “exclusive item.” But he’s not going to buy a ring, get a joint account, buy a house, have more children, live together, or otherwise chain himself to another woman for as long as he lives. He’s been there, done that, and has the tee-shirt.
Welcome to ground zero of the gender wars.
Let me tell you first what he is not. He’s not bitter. He harbors no bitter feelings towards an ex – he just doesn’t want a thing to do with them. He’s not immature. He has a house, a car, a business, and a good credit rating. He’s a good father – his kids think he walks on water. He’s not a misogynist.
But he is a realist. He has the scars. He’s been down the road. He knows how it is, and has made peace with it, and has dealt with it. And he’s not going to put himself in the position to be victimized again; victimized by a family court system that holds him in contempt and apathy, completely disrespectful of his value as a man and father.
And it ain’t nothing to do with you. You can be Dr. Ruth in wisdom, June Cleaver in the kitchen and living room, Carly Fiona at work, Xaviera Hollander in the Bedroom, and make Jill Hennessy look like a schnauzer, and it wouldn’t make a lick of difference. He doesn’t know you from Eve, he doesn’t trust the court system to give him a fair shake, and it is going to take more years to build the trust in him towards you than you are evidently ready to give. And you have that whole clock ticking, too. He has ten years. Ten years from now, you’ll be taking hormones for your hot flashes.
It took years to make him. He’s gone through an agonizing divorce. Worked two jobs to send the ex her check every week and still keep enough to live on. Did without a life as a result. Maybe went months between seeing his kids at times. Maybe got sick or injured, fell behind in alim – er, child support, and spent some time in jail for it. It is going to take years to un-make him. Tear down the survival mechanisms first – then replace them. You think your “LUV” is going to be a magic wand that you wave and make it all better? Puh-lease. Give me a break. It does not work like that.
Yeah, you’d never do that to him. Really? You think so? So if you two got divorced, you’d cheerfully hand over the child you gave birth to, and go back to work to send him a check? Become a visitor in that child’s life? Never be tempted, when you lawyer asks, “Did he ever do anything to make you afraid?” to reach back, and nudge those things into a different light, to give you that advantage you are all but guaranteed? Never, ever? I mean, you *CARRIED* that child, and gave birth to it, after all, right? It NEEDS you! And you have that child – you need the house to live in. The good car to get the child around. And you’ve been out of the work force for a few years – you need that retraining, and to be “maintained” don’t you? And of course, you gave him intangible support for his success through your time together – only fair you should have a cut from your – um – investment! Yeah, that’s the ticket! And of course, you’re just full of warm and sunshiney feelings towards him – that’s why you’re divorcing, isn’t it? That’s not screwing him! Taking his kid away from him and making him the visitor, suggesting he isn’t a fit parent, taking his house, a cut of his business, spousal maintainence, the car – why, that’s only FAIR!
But you’re not willing to be on the recieving end of that arrangement, are you? Hm. Wonder why not.
If you’re a woman reading this, I cac cite you three facts that I can easily state will be 90% likely:
1) You find that line of reasoning eminently fair and reasonable.
2) He won’t, and will see it as being screwed, and you think that is unreasonable
and finally, (3) The court will be on your side regardless.
The last is the most salient point. The courts will not only be on your side, they will bend over backwards to do so. Don’t think so? Go to the library. Get your past month of papers. Check for stories about a mother going to jail – or getting out. Find where they talk about “family” getting custody – not fathers. Find where they talk about “Mother-Child” re-unions in the latter instance.
Now find the stories about men and fathers that paint the same picture. Find stories about a father getting custody while the ex goes to jail for something. Heh. Well, I’m sure if you go back on the microfilm you might eventually find one or two…
Hell, ladies – a man can lose his family for slamming the door too hard. You can manufacture crystal meth and still keep your kids. And there is a simple reason. If I, as a man lose my kids, they get a certain amount of funds based on the percentage on income from the Feds that I pay you in child support. If yon Crack Ho loses hers, she’s a waitress at Waffle House making sub-minimum wage, and those funds are much lower. Hell, they lose money doing the most basic collection on her. So they don’t.
Yes, yes, yes. There are exceptions. I’m sure each and every one of you has a half-brother’s sister’s friend who has a cousin whose other cousin on the other side of the family who got horribly screwed. This is, however, par for the course for men in these situations. Kick your husband out, get a TRO, move in the new boyfriend, take his shit, and then screw with his visitation. And of course, none of you have ever tittered about it over lunch, high-fiving, exchanging “supportive” and misandrist “Happy Divorce” and “You GO, Grrrrrrl!” cards.
Yeah, I know. *YOU* NEVER buy those cards. Well, I tell you what – someone sure as hell is. I see them every time I go in to buy a birthday card, and with a dozen neices and nephews, two children of my own, and not to mention parents, siblings, in laws, I’m in the card shop a lot to see them. I don’t know where you learned business, but where I learned it, stocking things which don’t sell is somewhere between a “sack of hammers” and a “bag of hair” for sheer business idiocy. They fly off the sheles by the truckload, and your fellow women are buying them, and I bet you won’t reach the end of your row of cubicles in most offices without finding half a dozen of them.
Whether you like it or not, ladies, the game is rigged in your favor – very much so – so saying “Roll the dice! Take the risk!” is very, very easy for you. We all take the same emotional risks, marriage or no. So set that aside. Fact of the matter is, you’ll likely walk out of a bad marriage better off than when you started unless you’re a complete idiot. We’ll likely walk out of it much worse off than when we started, even if we play a perfect game. Involve children, and it goes downhill – even ardent feminists have been known to ask non-custodial mothers “Who did you kill?” when they find out they don’t have the kids.
It amazes me sometimes when I see women talking to divorced men who don’t want to do it again like they were born yesterday. Some of us have even been married more than once, we know marriages don’t last, and it then becomes a question of not doing the same thing over again, and somehow expecting a different result. Very unromantic and coldly logical, I know, but that’s how men think. Don’t allow yourself to “Fall in WUV!” again, and don’t open that door to getting reamed. Very simple, problem solved. We adapt, and become content – and it is a damn sight more than most people have going for them.
There is a reason why the crap done to men in the family courts is an evil – it breaks them for life. It’s not a matter of suck it up and move on; I lost years with my kids. I will let you know when it stops hurting. It’s not today. Tomorrow isn’t looking good either. I can still see a father out with his ten year old son, and get sick to my stomach with rage at what I missed. I saw a father on a “date” with his five or six year old daughter a couple weeks ago, and had to turn my head to keep from weeping. I never got that. It’s gone forever, and all the King’s horses and all the King’s men can’t do jack or shit about it. It never heals. It never goes away. Hell, look about you. Find one of your sitabouts . Knock it to the floor. Break it. You can glue it together. It can be a semblance of what it was. But is it the same? Will you want to do it again? Hell, will you want to do it to begin with?
Didn’t think so. And that’s a “thing,” not a human being. What, you’d give your Winnie the Pooh mug more consideration than a man?
And for that matter, for all the talk about “trusting” women again, I don’t notice a whole lot of you lining up to “trust” men. How about we just have a religious ceremony, and skip the legal flesh-hooks, hm? Hell, I’d never leave you – I’d never do that to you. Don’t you “Trust” me? Are you bitter, hateful towards men, or just nursing your hurts? You know – all the things you accuse us of being? Or is it angry and misogynist of me to fire a salvo that hits close to home? How about a pre-nup? How about a “Covenant Marriage,” (For those states which allow it) you know, the ones where you forgo no-fault and have to commit to counselling?
“Unromantic.” “Planning for divorce.” Uh-huh. More like “Won’t put my money where my mouth is.” Easy to ask us to take risks, ain’t it? Put the shoes on your foot, and suddenly it’s “different.”
Well, in fact, it isn’t different, but whether you’re mature enough to face that isn’t the point here.
Despite all the crying about “losing hope” the fact of the matter is that you’re not going to fix what took generations to build, and even if feminism is a minority of women, most of you were all to happy to sit around and complain that men weren’t standing up for themselves, and complain now when we are, and still didn’t do so much as tell Feminazi one to “Sit down, shut up, and don’t presume to claim to speak for me!” over the course of those generations. Well, enjoy your cats. This is the result – you have more and more men who would sooner have a root canal without anesthesia than get married again, and who know we’re better off this way. This is why you don’t do things like this to people. It has consequences. It produces results. Our lives aren’t games and experiments, they are ours, and belong to us, and you have no right to demand a part of them. You don’t live them, you don’t have to listen to your child call some other man “My Second Daddy” or see pictures of some other man at the Father-Son picnic with yours. You don’t have to drive to a house yopu bought, and you sweated over building, to be granted the privilege of stealing a few moments with your own flesh and blood. You don’t have to look at what’s left of a paycheck and know it isn’t enough for a second chance at the House, car, dog, picket fence, and 1.7 children. Again, here are the consequences. Don’t look at me as an example. Don’t look at men like me as projects to be healed or fixed. It is beyond your power. Think of me as a terrible warning. This is your son, fifteen or twenty years down the road. Want that for him? Then run away because it is too “painful” for you. Explain why to him later.
I’m sure he’ll understand.
And when you’re looking at fifty, and could be a grandfather at any time, it’s a little damn late to try that again in any event. Another thing that is gone forever, and all the make-believe that you’re twenty and starting fresh is just another lie you’d be telling yourself; and Pollyanna, I’m here to tell you that we outgrew lies and left innocence about the way things really are behind us long, long, ago. The only thing that is going to “fix” me is a time machine, and to be honest, I don’t even bother to fantasize about that anymore. I’m not an activist for me, my dear. It’s too late. The damage is done, and that chapter is closed. I’m doing this for the next generation of boys, for my son, and my potential grandsons.
And yes, I am bitter. What of it? You’ve not walked a step, let alone the proverbial mile, in my moccasins to give you the right to utter a peep about it.
So if you are “doing it for us” you’re living in a Fool’s Paradise. It’s too late. Don’t do it for us. Do it for your sons, and grandsons – if you love them enough. Or go ahead and give up, and “lose hope.” But let me tell you one thing: When their ex-wives do it to them on down the line, what makes you think you’ll be allowed to see your own grandchildren anymore than he will? Anymore than other mothers today do? Motivate yourself with good ol’ “Enlightened Self Interest.” I’ll take enlightened self interest. I’m not going to demand some purity in motive bullshit. At least enlightened self interest is honest.
Or, you can try doing it because it is the right thing to do.
Your call.
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Stumble It!
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:15 pm
Waaa waaaa waaaa.
Men have earned their disrespect in the courtroom. Your challenge to find stories about fathers getting custody while Mom goes to jail? Know why you can’t find them? Because fathers don’t want custody. That’s why you see the kids going to grandmothers and aunts, “family” as you put it. Here’s a challenge for you. See how many stories you can find where mom kills the kids and dad as opposed to dad killing the kids and mom. Yeah, that’s right. As for being better off after a divorce with kids than you were before, that’s laughable. Whatever the sex, the custodial parent gets the short, sharp end of the stick. I know plenty of single dads and couples that share their kids equally, equal time in each residence, no child support for either parent and split the health care and tuition. I think a harder look in the mirror might be in order.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:23 pm
Which is of course, why there are *so man* mother’s groups out there trying to help mothers get custody.
Try peddling yer bullshit to someone who hasn’t been through the system, who hasn’t had a lawyer tell them “If I charged you to try to win custody, I’d at least be morally guilty of malpractice, if not legally” and who hasn’t run a men’s group for years upon years for men who lost their children.
Jeez. You’re even starting to believe your own propaganda and talking points. That’s pathological, there.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:35 pm
“Waaa waaaa waaaa.”
When your feminazi buddies are crying, do they make their sounds differently?
“Men have earned their disrespect in the courtroom.”
Which feminazi told you THAT bit of nonsense, and why are you stupid enough to believe her?
“Your challenge to find stories about fathers getting custody while Mom goes to jail? Know why you can’t find them? Because fathers don’t want custody.”
Wrong again. Some fathers don’t want custody, but many do. Try to get your facts straight.
“Here’s a challenge for you. See how many stories you can find where mom kills the kids and dad as opposed to dad killing the kids and mom.”
Here’s a challenge right back.
See how many stories where mom kills the kids and she’s convicted of murder and sentenced to execution or life without parole as fathers who kill the kids are.
In any case, if you can manage to get your snout out of your Wimmens Studies playbook for a moment, check on the PERCENTAGE of men who kill their children as opposed to the PERCENTAGE of women who kill their children.
“As for being better off after a divorce with kids than you were before, that’s laughable. Whatever the sex, the custodial parent gets the short, sharp end of the stick.”
Not nearly as laughable as your attempts at logic are…….
“the custodial parent” (usually women) generally are paid vaginamony and child support. If doing so is your idea of “the short, sharp end of the stick”, you are welcome to attempt to have America’s vaginamony and child support systems overtturned.
“I know plenty of single dads and couples that share their kids equally, equal time in each residence, no child support for either parent and split the health care and tuition.”
But if you were honest, intelligent, and observant, you would know that in many more cases, couples do not share their kids equally, single dads do not get full custody, men pay women child support and the majority of health care and tuition.
“I think a harder look in the mirror might be in order.”
Yes, please. And you might try removing your head from your rectum first.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:48 pm
Gonzo, you are right and I add this:
Joyanna, we love you and we do not want you to ever give up the fight.
Edmund Burke, a Member of the British Parliament from a district in Ireland during the American Revolution famously said that evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
And when good women do nothing. You seem to be the good woman who has gone from doing nothing to doing something. Now you have to opportunity to do something EFFECTIVE. But you have to realize the full extent and nature of the evil you are confronting.
It is tyranny, in all its terrible glory.
Consider license suspension for child support. Why not for other things?
Consider having to provide a Social Security Number to open a bank account or to obtain a state driver’s license.
Consider having to report all new hires to a government registry.
Gonzo probably knows about that one.
Consider that Britain is looking to lock GPS trackers on noncustodial parents unable to comply with support orders to keep them from going to the pub in the evenings.
Why not other people?
We are the guinea pigs upon whom are tested the new technologies and mechanisms of tyranny.
In defending our freedom, it is your OWN freedom you are defending.
As for men who refuse to pay support, good for them! The enforceable right to say no is the only guarantee for freedom there ever was.
Enforceable by the courts, great.
Enforceable by the 2nd Amendment, if necessary.
But enforceable nevertheless.
Those unwilling to assert and enforce the right to say no by any means necessary are slaves.
That is why I scream for the enforcement of the Peonage Law.
Everyone reading this, feel free to join me in screaming for the enforcement of the Peonage Law.
Welcome to the fight Joyanna.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:54 pm
Oh -
Susan Smith.
Andrea Yates.
Mary Winkler.
Plenty of psychos there, Feminazi. Evil knows no gender. The difference between my kind and yours is that I admit there are some men who are evil – and your kind rationalizes away the evil women do.
For Your Information:
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes
- U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes
- Center for Disease Control
80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes
- Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, p. 403-26
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes
- National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools
70% of juveniles in state operated institutions come from fatherless homes
- U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report Sept., 1988
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home
- Fulton County Georgia jail populations & Texas Dept. of Corrections, 1992
50% of mothers see no value in the father’s continued contact with his children.
- See “Surviving the Breakup” by Joan Berlin Kelly
And the Current DHHS report on nationwide Child Abuse shows that 61% of all child abuse is committed by biological mothers and 25% of all child abuse is committed by natural father, yet fathers are still suffering the blame.
According to “American Journal of Orthopsychiatry” 40% of mothers reported that they had interfered with the father’s visitation to punish their ex-spouse.
Get yer facts straight, toots. As far as parenting goes, chances are, the best man for the job – IS A MAN.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:03 pm
Gonzman, don’t listen to those feminists who have mocked your column here. Whether she believes her assumed statistics or not is irrelevant to your life. You know that you wanted to be with your kids, you know that you yearned for a contented life with your family. You know the struggles you faced, while mom took advantage. You know! You’ve lived it, and lost. And your pain is real, and valid, and something for other young men to learn from.
Unlike Miss Feminist who made the first posting, my first reaction to the litany of injustices you described is a deep sense of sadness. Sad for the children who have their true fathers supplanted with “Dad-lite.” Sad for the men who had dreams of making it in this world, dreams of a family, dreams of a happy marriage. Sad imagining the men on their wedding days, surrounded by friends and family, all hoping for a long life and many happy decades of marriage and family — only to have it all dashed to pieces along with the dreams.
I can only hope that as the male children of divorce approach marrying age, men like you can impart some wisdom to them gleaned from your loss. If only the divorcees of today could go back in time and start over, how different the fabric of society might be. There wouldn’t be a divorce industry as thriving as the one today. But we can’t go back in time; we can only teach the next generation to avoid our mistakes.
All this because of political actors that enshrined “divorce as an incentive” into law. All this because of public policy, because of courts, not because of life choices by well-intentioned fathers and husbands. All this because of a political ideology aimed at defeating and neutralizing men in every meaningful area of life. Can feminism touch the life of the average Joe? You bet it can.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:16 pm
to snjmom:
you asked. here it is – from the US government’s own website.
women kill more kids in US households than any other perpetrator.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm03/figure4_2.htm
Had enough?
how about child abuse?
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm03/figure3_6.htm
women BY FAR abuse kids more than any other party.
OK. Now, you can go back to your romance novel.
August 23rd, 2006 at 6:21 pm
Thanks, Roger for providing some actual statistics to the feminazi.
“OK. Now, you can go back to your romance novel.”
Don’t forget her cats and that “lover” she keeps in her bedside drawer…..
August 23rd, 2006 at 6:42 pm
Speaking of romance novels, Gonz’s eloquent essay is all about romance — LOST and DEAD and NEVER COMING BACK romance.
His piece may come off as nostalgically passionate, though it’s truly just a deadly accurate recitation of facts.
Feminist laws, drive-thru divorce, anti-family court systems and the generalized raunch culture of self-entitled wanna-be gold-diggers, pole-dancers and girllllzzzz gone wild have all pretty much terminated whatever was left of the modern male’s romantic tendencies.
Gonz covered the entire terrain explaining why women can appeal to romance until the cows come home, to no avail.
The most personally ethical, romantic, trustworthy female on the planet has access to a system of feminist depravity and terrorism that will ravage her male partner at her whim.
All she has to do is dial 9-1-1 and speak four words: “I’m afraid of HIM!”
Then the goon squad arrives, the TRO is issued permanently, the fem-advocates offer free legal services, and the script for destroying one more Bad Man’s family is played out to perfection.
Marriage is over. Romance is over. Trust is over. Chauvanism is soon to be over. Men’s naiveite is over.
Women’s predatory nature?
Will never be over.
August 23rd, 2006 at 6:54 pm
snjmom said,
“I know plenty of single dads and couples that share their kids equally, equal time in each residence, no child support for either parent and split the health care and tuition.”
I also know quite a few single dads,and they all have one thing in common:
Danny, after taking care of his baby from birth til 3 when mom(and i’m using this term loosely)decided she wanted to be one. The court gave him to her, you know how he got him back. She took him with her to do a trick, she was murdered. Her family didn’t want him, so they decided to give him back to Danny.
Mike found out from friends his girlfriend was pregnant, she went to family in another state til she gave birth, then gave her parents custody. It took him 4 years to get him. His son was 4 before he set eyes on him. She screwed up by naming him father on the birth certificate. He won on a technicality.
Dennis’ wife left him for another man, when that didn’t work out she wanted her son. She got him. He fought for 10 years. He lost. She met someone else who didn’t want to be bothered with kids. Dennis came home from work to find his son waiting in the hallway with his bags. Who knows how long he gets to keep him this time.
Rob, his ex makes nutjobs seem normal. You know why he got custody, she kept missing court dates.
The judge(i’m using this term loosely as well) kept giving continuances, for 2 years. He finally granted Rob custody.
They got lucky, that’s what they have in common.
That they were the active parent didn’t matter, sheer dumb luck got them their kids.
And Gonzman, your right about everything you said. Especially womens culpability, and no I wouldn’t give up my boys for anything. He decided after they were here that fatherhood interfered with his good time, that we ruined his life. I wish he cared as much about his as you do for yours. Thanks for fighting for the next generation. They need all the help they can get.debi912
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:07 pm
And thanks for fighting for some common sense and whatever shreds of decency may be left in this screwed-up country, debi912.
Yeah, Gonz is a romantic, as DadWithGirls says. So am I. (Hi Roy) When the history of this time finally gets written, I am sure that the feminazis will go down in it as the group which killed love in the last half of the 20th century and the first half of the 21st.
My nephew is a single dad who fought for more than 2 years to get custody of his daughter from her crack-smoking, running-drugs-into-the-state-pen mother. Now, at age 13, she spends all of every weekend that her mom has her, getting high, and getting attention from her mom’s crack-head male friends. As much as it pained her dad to have to do it, he put her on birth control.
So, in addition to killing love, the feminazis should also be indicted for killing childhood.
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:07 pm
zed,
Have you considered that the NSA (National Security Administration) has text-parsing software that allows the guv’ment to identify and track the writings and speakings of every single citizen?
It would be interesting to create a diagram of all the MRA’s worldwide who are admins, moderators, and posters on the multiple and ever-growing men’s rights sites.
Maybe there are only 237 of us? Using multiple aliases?
Or maybe 237,000,000?
Whatever the actual number, it’s starting to register in the MSM, and Kim Gandy @ NOW is losing sleep already.
And your own writings keep getting quoted.
I have no idea why Roy admires them so much…..
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:38 pm
Actually, DadWithGirls, there are only 7 of us – you know, a few angry white male losers threatened because we lost all our power so we have to go out wilding on every female person we run across.
Fortunately, each of us has more personalities than Sybil, so we can have quite the rousing argument all by ourselves.
I don’t know about that Roy character either – he seems to love his daughters a lot, but not have a very high opinion of other women in general.
Oh well, you can just write me off as a cockeyed optimist.
August 23rd, 2006 at 10:45 pm
DadWithGirls you got a point there!
The National Security Administration lives up to its nickname, the No Such Agency, by being the one government agency that actually listens to us!
August 24th, 2006 at 8:51 am
“the custodial parent gets the short, sharp end of the stick.”
so the woman gets punished for getting the kids? then give them to dad! i’m sure he can afford them!
“I know plenty of single dads and couples that share their kids equally, equal time in each residence, no child support for either parent and split the health care and tuition”
well that’s good. I’m sure you will lobby to make that the standard arrangement upon divorce. Right? We can count on you becoming active supporting the “shared parenting” initiatives currently being debated in california, new york, north dakota, and other places.
August 24th, 2006 at 1:54 pm
See, guys, this is where I’m at: It always seems to be “Men’s Fault” for not wanting to throw ourselves back into the meat grinder.
The only thing women seem to want to do is pay lip service, and say, “Gee – this oughta not be so someday. But you guys keep plugging away and getting screwed in the meantime. I’m sure it will get better sometime, and if you’re lucky it may not happen again to you.”
Heh. I make my luck. Don’t play in the rigged game – can’t lose to the rigged game.
Fix the game. Make it honest.
August 24th, 2006 at 4:13 pm
“Fix the game. Make it honest.”
Forget it Gonz, it will never happen under the current new world order regime that we loosely refer to as “America”.
We have to first tear the system down and start over. There are simply too many people (mostly women) benefitting from this situation to want a change.
It’s best for a man to leave this country if he wants a wife and kids, and not come back.
Otherwise, there is lots of free sportsex everywhere you look. Why pay for it? At least some feminists are good for something.
August 24th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Have you considered that the NSA (National Security Administration) has text-parsing software that allows the guv’ment to identify and track the writings and speakings of every single citizen?
You’re really awesome. This is a discussion about dad’s rights. And you leftist scumbags have to yell how you should have a right to call Osama anytime you want. No matter what you leftist dirtbags claim, there is not one single case you can cite where an American has lost his rights. Not one.
“Dad with Girls”. I doubt it. You’re really Eleanor Schmeal, aren’t you?
August 24th, 2006 at 8:23 pm
“No matter what you leftist dirtbags claim, there is not one single case you can cite where an American has lost his rights. Not one.”
Speaking as a member of the far right, Hal, (and no, not a left-wing “neocon” like the current gun-control loving occupant of the Oval Office), I can name at least one right “lost”. The right to Trial by Jury.
Guantanamo Bay anyone? There are “suspected” terrorists who are US citizens at this location as well as those of other countries being held there without warrants, access to lawyers, nor public hearings.
Or, how about the case of Fritz Springmeier, who was framed by the BATF a couple of years ago? Fritz advocated against drugs and violence, yet when he began writing articles about the illuminati, the BATF “raided” his home and planted illegal drugs and some weapons at his residence which were not there before the raid.
Yes, Hal, there many case where Americans have lost rights thanks to your new world order boy “W”.
Ever heard of the “Patriot Act”?
August 24th, 2006 at 8:24 pm
Oh, by the way, Hal, you are a new world order agent provocatuer.
Did the CIA program you?
August 25th, 2006 at 12:56 am
Is anybody else as offended by this Ford car commercial as I am?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8570210172255655672&q=ford+commercial
August 25th, 2006 at 8:00 am
The commercial is offensive, but doesn’t it do a great job making our point? Anyone who is talking about how males are treated as subhuman should see that commercial as evidence. The fact Ford does not even see that demonstrates how entrenched the prejudice is. Just like all the racial jokes in the 50’s. These people are documenting their own bigotry.