Donating sperm out-of-wedlock to produce a child, claiming that they have absolute and equal rights is ludicrous. Men’s part in it can take 5 minutes where for a woman it will take 9 months of carrying the child in which the child bonds to the mother. The child does not bond to the father based on DNA. And then what would happen legally if suddenly sperm donors decided they wanted legal rights to the children they produced based on DNA? Woman bare the child, the child bonds to them, they spend the most time with the child, even in a married relationship. Courts will always rule in favor of the mother because the majority of the time the children are more bonded to them, and the women do know what’s in the child’s best interest since they’ve spent the majority of the time raising them.

As to seeing women as peers. That sounds like an excellent idea if you would like to see more women turn to lesbianism and abandon you completely or…not date you. I’m sure women would be perfectly ok with being complete peers if men agree to always go to the gym and keep in shape and physically fit, waxes the majority of their body hair and keep it maintained, learn how to dress and to design an apartment or home in something other than black leather or chrome, learn to cook, clean up after themselves and not expect a maid or a woman to do it, contribute to the child rearing by spending active time with the children, go to their PTA meetings, girl scout troop meetings, etc.

Women spend an equal amount to men in their personal maintenance, that men expect from them. Without it they are wallflowers and the girls that don’t get asked out. So, you lower your standards of your expectation of women or you measure them in all of the time, money and work they put into themselves.

If your statement is that chivalry is next to impotency, what do you bring to the table? Sperm? Companionship? I can assure you that without finances, most men can barely take care of themselves. They are socialized to go out and concur, the majority are not taught how to take care of themselves other than that. I currently have 2 male roommates and I can assure you, after having been previously spoiled by men that do know how to take care of themselves, I had completely forgotten that the majority do not, and now I am stuck with dirty, smelly, video game playing boys who expect the next “mother” to come along and clean up after them and wipe their noses, while they think they’re going to go out and rule the world.

Wake up. Women are doing better in the work force because women are socialized to collaborate and work together. Men are socialized to concur, be the best, be number one. I worked in an industry dominated by women because they worked together and they knew how to nurture their workers and get the job done. Whenever I experience men playing key roles, they spent a good portion of the time bickering with other men, trying to back stab them or one up them, not caring if the project would suffer at the expense of their c**k fighting. The women would sit back quietly, smooth over the mens egos, and then work amongst themselves to insure the project took first priority.

Get over it. Stop up and do your part instead of whining like a bunch of b**ches.

Women don’t even lose their jobs!

It also seems to me that Men are far more interested in selling products in this area (Men’s Rights; Foreign Dating Services, etc.), but aren’t interested in solutions.

Some kind of compulsory service is not necessarily the same as putting your life on the line.

I think we agree (please correct me if I’m wrong) that there will be never be true equality between men and women if we define equality as the same laws applying to both in all situations. Laws regarding who has to fight in actual combat would be the primary (and perhaps only?) case in which different laws would necessarily apply.

So there has to be some compensatory factor. e.g. If men have to fight on the front line and not women, those that do deserve some compensating benefit for the risks they take.

For decades we have heard women demand “equal opportunity” for the good jobs but never “equal responsibility” for war service, etc.

There are two distinct questions with regards to conscription.

One is: should women be conscripted into being on the front lines of war?

The other is: should women, who get to vote, have an equal obligation to fulfill some sort of compulsory service obligation if called upon to do so?

It is unfortunate that discussion of the second question tends to get forestalled by it being conflated wholly unnecessarily with the first question.

If men get equality under the law, men must then take the next step and demand some special privileges for men (or at least those men who are conscripted) to compensate for the fact that only men will ever be consrcipted.

1. “For Women Only” entitlements from the government and from private agencies

2. Income willingly or unwillingly transferred from men to women such as the costs of dating, financial support during marriage, and an unearned share of material assets and child support in divorce.

3. Their own income, which is augmented by any number of special programs and affirmative action admission and retention policies at colleges as well as affirmative action at business hiring.

What is the foundation for all of those unfair advantages granted to women?

That’s easy, and it is the core thing that many in the men’s movement blithely ignore:

MATERNAL PRIMACY. WHICH HAS TWO KEY PARTS.

Part #1. RAISING THE CHILDREN. Fathers need to be equally involved in raising the children from newborn infancy forward, and ideally the primary caregivers of their children in as many cases as possible. Female dominance of parenthood is THE basis for feminism, and thus for discrimination against men in general and against fathers in specific. Correspondingly, it is the basis for putting mothers and women up on a pedestal (because they are there for the kids in terms of time) while demonizing men (who are not there for the children in terms of time when the woman is the stay at home primary caregiver and the man is earning money for her all day as the “provider”). For feminism to end, fathers must raise their own children. Equally at least. Primarily at best.

Part #2. ABORTION: So long as women can kill the children of men by abortion, men stand deprived of the right in law to protect the lives of their own children. Thus, while that continues, the loss of all other rights of men will seem completely palatable by comparison. So all MRA and FRA folks should agree that, legally, no abortion should happen without the signature of both parents, with both being subject to enormous fines if mandatory DNA tests prove that the man signing for it was not the biological father.

I am against abortion completely, but in the meantime such a law would save a lot of lives and would establish that men have a natural right to protect the lives of their own children from the point of conception forward, which is where fatherhood begins.

That embraces the core of what being a man is all about, and lays the foundation for all other rights for men to be recognized in law.

Women have ruled throughout history, so if is there’s going to be a culturally acknowledged powershift in 2010, I’m rather looking forward to it.

Feminist gains do not erode men’s rights when applied to men equally. So feminist principles, of equality of choice, should be embraced.

If MND readers go around screaming about feminism being evil, it appears to attack the progress women have made into traditionally male domains, and why would we want to do that if we get the choice to enter women’s traditional domains also?

Men’s rights activists should concentrate on dropping the anti-feminist label, and concentrate instead on simplifying the message. If women have a certain right/choice, we want exactly the same. Full stop. To this ends, some of us should be prepared to physically destroy any institution which refuses such a reasonable demand.

Give the security services a private ultimatum, whilst a political wing simultaneously wins the media argument, and then, if the changes are not made, attack (it’s what we men are good at!)

Every culture wrestles with it’s excess of young men. Why not put them in our army? It will use sleeper cells (as invented by the British) but it will be non violent to people, giving the authorities time to evacuate the buildings housing target infrastructure like sexist government departments, sexist charities, sexist media institutions and so on, which we will then put out of use.

Ask the government privately, so as not to corner it into a fight against terror it cannot be seen to back down from. Secondly, use the squeeky clean political wing to publicize the government’s refusal to cooperate with the PUBLIC’S demands for equality, despite concensus within the rational debate. Thirdly, give them a coded warning (I think the IRA invented that one), and if they don’t evacuate…

Unleash the gremlins

It is easy to set up a sleeper cell in advance without it being infiltrated, and then carrying out a preset hit list on preset dates, because the big men’s issues targets are fairly fixed, and will be there for years to come, like the draft office, the divorce courts, the sentencing boards, the dv centres, the unproven rape allegation publicists, the female only governmental departments, university departments refusing gender-balanced curriculums, and indeed any female only establishment actively seeking to exclude men or men’s issues.

Steve Moxon argues the suffragettes were pushing at an open door politically speaking, but in order to rally the women, they had to smash stuff up a bit, and get themselves arrested, etc, which meant the establishment could not be seen to then immediately capitulate and give them the vote, even though the elite wanted women to have the vote, as they realised it a good idea. Nevertheless, wishing to forgive and forget the little angels, women got the vote in a matter of decades.

I am not so sure men are pushing at quite such an open door, because although the political elite realize it a good idea to liberate men, there are a lot of women employed in all-women groups, who will actively resist any dilution of their powers. It is women who sex segregate for gain, and they will probably want to keep it that way, where as Victorian men would have been very grateful for the introduction of women into their all male territories.

We already know that all women’s groups will never be reasonable and accept men and men’s issues, so bypass them, and target their funders. Media practitioners like Marc Rudov will emerge in every territory, persuading the general population with the facts, and the sleeper cells will do the rest, if necessary. By avoiding publicity for the terrorists’ actions, the group can achieve its demands, while the government is seen to be merely carrying out the will of the people – something it had deep down, been meaning to do anyway, once it got round to it.

We need to eliminate the time between women gaining new rights, and men gaining the same rights.

There might be a way to bring mens/boys issues to light by getting involved in a class action lawsuit:

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/5746

Posted on Wed, 2006-08-02 16:39.
All 3000+ county classactions are tentatively scheduled for nationwide simultaneous court filings during “Constitution Week” (Sept 17-23), assuming a couple of remaining manpower factors are leveraged into proper place by that time.

Plaintiffs are THREE “Classes”: (1) noncustodials; (2) young adult children of custody; (3) any taxpayer — YES, each and every one of the 230+ million American taxpayers are eligible Plaintiffs in these lawsuits against family court injustices.

The summary of the lawsuit is located here:

http://www.indianacrc.org/ncp-n-taxpayer.html

You need to find the county in which the local coordinator is located and that list of states can be found here:

http://www.indianacrc.org/classactionco.html

And finally as a last resort if you have problems here is their contact page:

http://www.indianacrc.org/contacticrc.html.

Here is the banner to link to their web site:

http://www.indianacrc.org/images/icrc2004banner.gif

Lastly, I’ve been reading the articles by Jeff Adams and he feels the same way I do about the political parties in this country. Well, I just found out about a third party that looks promising it’s called the Freedom Party.

Here is their US site:
http://www.freedomparty.us

Their front page has not changed so please contact them and ask them to set up a blog to communicate with people interested in their party:
http://www.freedomparty.us/e-mail/e-mail.feedback.htm

they have an international site located here:
http://www.freedomparty.org

and the most active site is located in Ontario:
http://www.freedomparty.on.ca

I hope this will help make a difference.

Mezz Mezzrow Jr.

There might be a way to bring mens/boys issues to light by getting involved in a class action lawsuit:

http://news.mensactivism.org/node/5746

Posted on Wed, 2006-08-02 16:39.
All 3000+ county classactions are tentatively scheduled for nationwide simultaneous court filings during “Constitution Week” (Sept 17-23), assuming a couple of remaining manpower factors are leveraged into proper place by that time.

Plaintiffs are THREE “Classes”: (1) noncustodials; (2) young adult children of custody; (3) any taxpayer — YES, each and every one of the 230+ million American taxpayers are eligible Plaintiffs in these lawsuits against family court injustices.

The summary of the lawsuit is located here:

http://www.indianacrc.org/ncp-n-taxpayer.html

You need to find the county in which the local coordinator is located and that list of states can be found here:

http://www.indianacrc.org/classactionco.html

And finally as a last resort if you have problems here is their contact page:

http://www.indianacrc.org/contacticrc.html.

Here is the banner to link to their web site:

http://www.indianacrc.org/images/icrc2004banner.gif

Lastly, I’ve been reading the articles by Jeff Adams and he feels the same way I do about the political parties in this country. Well, I just found out about a third party that looks promising it’s called the Freedom Party.

Here is their US site:
http://www.freedomparty.us

Their front page has not changed so please contact them and ask them to set up a blog to communicate with people interested in their party:
http://www.freedomparty.us/e-mail/e-mail.feedback.htm

they have an international site located here:
http://www.freedomparty.org

and the most active site is located in Ontario:
http://www.freedomparty.on.ca

I hope this will help make a difference.

Mezz Mezzrow Jr.

Suggested party-neutral message: Any degradation of men — by any person or any law — is a move to destroy marriage, the family, and children.

MensNewsDaily could become a petition engine to help us blast the lawmakers. Imagine the volume of petitions constantly going to Washington and state capitols, to make our voices heard. Contact Mike Lasalle to suggest it.

I actually think it would be better to try to attach ourselves the the democratic party even though a lot of us find many within that party to be repugnant. Talk up the civil rights aspects of our cause and make sure many non-white faces are spoke people when addressing the media and politicians.

In an era when women have more rights than men, can earn as much as they want, and can manipulate the courts, marrying a woman who earns nothing is a recipe for disaster: she can destroy you in divorce court.

Marry a woman who earns a lot of money, who LOVES men, who believes in fairness. My book — http://www.bookworld.com/bottom.cfm?content=feature&I030_cust_ref_01=0-9745017-1-9 – tells you how to do this. And … one more thing … get an airtight prenup!

The only solution is to build up your family and home life with a woman who has traditional values. You family is your fortress but first you must build a strong one that will last and then protect it.

Having a marriage to a traditional russian woman for example is an idea solution for this. You can read more about this at my site if you wish..

http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/2006/08/23/your-freedom-in-the-face-of-feminism-and-facism/

Good Luck!
GL

The feminine archetype is now dominant in the U.S. and western world.

Feminism is causing the regression of women to the state of childhood: i.e., rights without responsibilities, consumption without production. For men, feminism has caused the opposite: responsibilities without rights. People with responsibilities but no rights are slaves. We are currently headed for a world in which women are children and men are slaves.

Feminsim is evil and I predict a “perfect storm” in approximately 20-30 years. Another generation of boys without fathers. A big push in gay activism in law. Caucasian America is already reproducing at comparably lower rates relative to other groups. Currently almost 50% of our secondary schools are made up of underperforming minorities (Blacks & Hispanics) with no American identity or an interest in one, and in 20 years, will force the U.S. to compete with the Chinese and Indians with approximately half of it’s workforce. These people will not be in college. They will be in the lower or underground economy. 70% of Black families have no father. In second generation Hispanics (and higher) the percentage is higher. We are looking at a HUGE increase of out of wedlock births. Huge social costs that will not correct the root cause (if history serves as a guide). So half the population has to compete with China and India with a punitive tax burden. Men will continue to retreat from society. The MGTOW philosophy will quietly cause change. As more and more women see men turning away some of these will wonder why. Some women may even one day be capable of an honest look at how men have been treated unfairly. Caucasians will also have a culture of fatherlessness but a bigger issue will be that Caucasian men will not produce offspring. America is slowly collapsing. In 20-40 years America may disintegrate into distinct regions that have not integrated culturally with their border regions. I think if the government passes amnesty for illegals that this will accelerate America’s disintegration. Citizenship will cease to have meaning. At least 100 million illegals with no interest to assimilate. We will be North American’s not U.S. citizens anymore living in a country filled with a huge and growing underclass demanding more and more.

The government, politicians, and elites have caused so much social damage that it is impossible to steer the ship in the right direction in time. There will be a huge increase in gang activities in some regions. There will probably be race wars. Incomes will drop because we will not compete well with China and India and this will breed discontent all over America. China will be a military threat challenging us across the globe, jockeying with the U.S. for dominance. We have replaced the male archetype with the feminine archetype which will be completely unable to deal with these problems-many of which it created.

We as a nation have been very slow, and are only now beginning to see that feminine evil exists. We have long recognized masculine evil. I don’t think America will come to grasp the extent of feminine evil unless it is spoken about out loud.

The intelligent man chooses his friends wisely. Any male that is a feminist enabler is the enemy. American women who are feminist and feminist sympathizers are the enemy. American women who claim to be for men’s rights but part ways with men when their own biases get challenged are the enemy. The intelligent man chooses his friends wisely and plans his life intelligently. The government is doing everything it can to destabilize this society.

The intelligent man sees what’s going on and plans his own survival accordingly. The matriarchy will one day be existing in a living hell of it’s own creation.