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2006-09-11
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GA: Would-be victim scares off carjacker: “Cobb County SWAT officers shot and killed a robbery and carjacking suspect early Tuesday evening, after a four-hour-long standoff with the suspect as he sat in someone’s back yard in Smyrna. After the suspect allegedly tried to rob the person at the Publix shopping center, at South Cobb Drive and East-West Connector, police say he tried to carjack a man in a car with two children inside. Police say the man in the car fired at the suspect, forcing him to run off, with police in hot pursuit.”

 

Meaning of Lieberman’s defeat to gun owners: “Both Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) and Ned Lamont who defeated him in the Connecticut Democrat primary are anti-gun. Nevertheless, gun owners should pay attention to the outcome of this race. Indeed, anyone interested in survival should pay attention. From all that anyone can determine, the only issue that separated Lieberman and Lamont is the war against terrorists. Lieberman, although an enemy of personal self defense, was an unabashed supporter of defending America from Muslim crusaders intent on killing every man, woman and child on earth who does not proclaim themselves to be Muslim… The Democrat Left’s support of terrorists derives from self-hatred. They are convinced that Americans, and Westerners in general (but also including African Christians who were slaughtered without a peep from the Left), are the source of violence and resentment in the world. Because we have caused the problem, they believe, we deserve to be attacked. This belief is so deep set that the Left believes self defense and retaliation are morally unacceptable…. If Lieberman’s defeat is a harbinger of future elections, any Democrat who believes in self defense, be it personal or national, can expect to get the same treatment. And of course, Republicans can expect to get more of the same as long as they support self defense. The issue of our age is self defense. The Democrat Left has drawn a line in the sand in Connecticut. They are against survival.

 

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  • chas

    Someone who has more time than I do, needs to develop these arguments that, one of the biggest things that divides the US is where we come down on the question, “do guns kill people, or do people kill people?”

    In the Iraq war, while we should be satisfied that we removed from power a man who misused WMD’s consistently for years, the people who believe in gun control, and getting all the guns off the street, see what we did in Iraq as a dismal failure because we didn’t find the weapons. I don’t hear anyone in the administration making these arguments. WMD’s don’t kill people, people kill people.

    While our domestic security depends on screening people and “racial profiling” the people who are getting on airplanes; instead they want to focus on the weapons people are carrying onto the airplane. Box cutters don’t kill people, people kill people.

    We should be stopping people “racial profiling” who are entering the country who are likely to hurt us; but instead they want to focus on examining all of the cargo that is entering the country, looking for weapons.

    Should our efforts be focused on the people who are misusing the weapons, or on the weapons?

    I think the underlying difference in all of these arguments, and I’m sure other situations of which I’m unaware, is the question, “do guns kill people or do people kill people?”

  • chas

    Someone who has more time than I do, needs to develop these arguments that, one of the biggest things that divides the US is where we come down on the question, “do guns kill people, or do people kill people?”

    In the Iraq war, while we should be satisfied that we removed from power a man who misused WMD’s consistently for years, the people who believe in gun control, and getting all the guns off the street, see what we did in Iraq as a dismal failure because we didn’t find the weapons. I don’t hear anyone in the administration making these arguments. WMD’s don’t kill people, people kill people.

    While our domestic security depends on screening people and “racial profiling” the people who are getting on airplanes; instead they want to focus on the weapons people are carrying onto the airplane. Box cutters don’t kill people, people kill people.

    We should be stopping people “racial profiling” who are entering the country who are likely to hurt us; but instead they want to focus on examining all of the cargo that is entering the country, looking for weapons.

    Should our efforts be focused on the people who are misusing the weapons, or on the weapons?

    I think the underlying difference in all of these arguments, and I’m sure other situations of which I’m unaware, is the question, “do guns kill people or do people kill people?”

  • chas

    Someone who has more time than I do, needs to develop these arguments that, one of the biggest things that divides the US is where we come down on the question, “do guns kill people, or do people kill people?”

    In the Iraq war, while we should be satisfied that we removed from power a man who misused WMD’s consistently for years, the people who believe in gun control, and getting all the guns off the street, see what we did in Iraq as a dismal failure because we didn’t find the weapons. I don’t hear anyone in the administration making these arguments. WMD’s don’t kill people, people kill people.

    While our domestic security depends on screening people and “racial profiling” the people who are getting on airplanes; instead they want to focus on the weapons people are carrying onto the airplane. Box cutters don’t kill people, people kill people.

    We should be stopping people “racial profiling” who are entering the country who are likely to hurt us; but instead they want to focus on examining all of the cargo that is entering the country, looking for weapons.

    Should our efforts be focused on the people who are misusing the weapons, or on the weapons?

    I think the underlying difference in all of these arguments, and I’m sure other situations of which I’m unaware, is the question, “do guns kill people or do people kill people?”

  • nighthawk

    “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” is merely a catchy phrase used by the gun rights crowd for years.
    Over the years we found that the data supports this catch phrase and it’s really true.

    Suddenly a study sponsored by some think tank or liberal university is published purporting to show that when a man is in possesion of a firearm, his testosterone levels are elevated. Tthus proving that “guns kill people”. Never mind the social mores or individual inhibitions that might motivate a man to manage his elevated testosterone levels and act appropriately.

    What about Saddam’s WMDs that we did find? Several hundred shells with possibly degraded Sarin and Mustard gas. Liberals tell us that they don’t count because they are old and possibly degraded.
    Let’s say you’re a cop. You walk up on some guy that has a gun in his hand. He’s waving the gun around and talking big. You tell him to drop the gun. He continues making noise and pointing the gun at people. He even points the gun at you, the cop.
    Do you:
    A) Ask him to drop the weapon again?
    B) Wonder if maybe the gun isn’t loaded?
    C) Drop him in his tracks?
    If you answered A or B, then you will probably end up dead.
    If you answered A or B, then you are probably not qualified to protect yourself or the public.

    To answer you question, Chas: Guns kill people.
    So do knives, spears, sticks, baseball bats, clubs, cars, bodies of water (including pools and mop buckets), motorcycles, airplanes, fists, ropes, electricity, snakes, stingrays, stampeding elephants, old age, etc, etc.

    Counterquestion: How many of these things can you use to defend yourself?

    Counter-counterquestion: Does it raise your testosterone level to possess these things?

    Are you and the people around you safer if you have a gun vs if you don’t have a gun?
    (the data supports the hypothesis that more guns in more hands means more safety and less crime.)

  • nighthawk

    “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” is merely a catchy phrase used by the gun rights crowd for years.
    Over the years we found that the data supports this catch phrase and it’s really true.

    Suddenly a study sponsored by some think tank or liberal university is published purporting to show that when a man is in possesion of a firearm, his testosterone levels are elevated. Tthus proving that “guns kill people”. Never mind the social mores or individual inhibitions that might motivate a man to manage his elevated testosterone levels and act appropriately.

    What about Saddam’s WMDs that we did find? Several hundred shells with possibly degraded Sarin and Mustard gas. Liberals tell us that they don’t count because they are old and possibly degraded.
    Let’s say you’re a cop. You walk up on some guy that has a gun in his hand. He’s waving the gun around and talking big. You tell him to drop the gun. He continues making noise and pointing the gun at people. He even points the gun at you, the cop.
    Do you:
    A) Ask him to drop the weapon again?
    B) Wonder if maybe the gun isn’t loaded?
    C) Drop him in his tracks?
    If you answered A or B, then you will probably end up dead.
    If you answered A or B, then you are probably not qualified to protect yourself or the public.

    To answer you question, Chas: Guns kill people.
    So do knives, spears, sticks, baseball bats, clubs, cars, bodies of water (including pools and mop buckets), motorcycles, airplanes, fists, ropes, electricity, snakes, stingrays, stampeding elephants, old age, etc, etc.

    Counterquestion: How many of these things can you use to defend yourself?

    Counter-counterquestion: Does it raise your testosterone level to possess these things?

    Are you and the people around you safer if you have a gun vs if you don’t have a gun?
    (the data supports the hypothesis that more guns in more hands means more safety and less crime.)

  • nighthawk

    “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” is merely a catchy phrase used by the gun rights crowd for years.
    Over the years we found that the data supports this catch phrase and it’s really true.

    Suddenly a study sponsored by some think tank or liberal university is published purporting to show that when a man is in possesion of a firearm, his testosterone levels are elevated. Tthus proving that “guns kill people”. Never mind the social mores or individual inhibitions that might motivate a man to manage his elevated testosterone levels and act appropriately.

    What about Saddam’s WMDs that we did find? Several hundred shells with possibly degraded Sarin and Mustard gas. Liberals tell us that they don’t count because they are old and possibly degraded.
    Let’s say you’re a cop. You walk up on some guy that has a gun in his hand. He’s waving the gun around and talking big. You tell him to drop the gun. He continues making noise and pointing the gun at people. He even points the gun at you, the cop.
    Do you:
    A) Ask him to drop the weapon again?
    B) Wonder if maybe the gun isn’t loaded?
    C) Drop him in his tracks?
    If you answered A or B, then you will probably end up dead.
    If you answered A or B, then you are probably not qualified to protect yourself or the public.

    To answer you question, Chas: Guns kill people.
    So do knives, spears, sticks, baseball bats, clubs, cars, bodies of water (including pools and mop buckets), motorcycles, airplanes, fists, ropes, electricity, snakes, stingrays, stampeding elephants, old age, etc, etc.

    Counterquestion: How many of these things can you use to defend yourself?

    Counter-counterquestion: Does it raise your testosterone level to possess these things?

    Are you and the people around you safer if you have a gun vs if you don’t have a gun?
    (the data supports the hypothesis that more guns in more hands means more safety and less crime.)






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