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Men’s Movement Unity

2006-10-05
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THE PROBLEM Let’s face it, the men’s/fathers’ “movement” hasn’t moved in over 30 years. Part of the reason is fierce opposition from entrenched government officials (judges, legislators, etc.) money-grubbing lawyers, feminists, SNAGS (sensitive, new age guys) and assorted other factions.

But a more damaging cause of our failure to achieve justice springs from within. As Pogo famously said, “We have met the enemy, and he is us.” I submit that intra-movement factionalism, egotistic ambitions and the naiveté of newcomers are the root causes of our failure. These suicidal phenomena have impeded progress almost from the beginning.

FACTIONALISM: There are so many so-called organizations I can’t begin to keep track of them or their acronyms. Some are one-man endeavors consisting of a pajama-clad zealot with a bedroom computer. Others are nation-wide operations with talented and numerous followers. Nearly all are parochial and militantly independent. They have been compared to a circular firing squad.

EGOTISM: Every barnyard rooster is king on his own dung heap. Many movement “leaders” aspire to be the proverbial big frog in a small (hopefully big) pond. Taking a clue from Lucifer in Milton’s Paradise Lost, the motivating principle of some seems to be “Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.”

NEWCOMER NAIVETE: The anti-male phenomenon and its oppositional gestalt are so massive and intricate, ranging from the obvious to the subtle, that would-be reformers, however brilliant they may be or imagine themselves to be, cannot possibly fathom the problems and solutions with limited experience.

A SOLUTION Permit me, from a perspective of over 40 years in these trenches, to posit a solution. There is enough talent and manpower dispersed throughout the men’s/fathers’ movement, internationally, to successfully confront the enemies of justice if that talent and manpower were properly coordinated. Such a force would be overwhelming. Of course, a juggernaught like this is more easily conceived than constructed. In theory, if the aforesaid internal problems could be overcome, the best and most efficient construct would consist of a unified organization with democratically-elected leaders chosen from the most capable. But practically, in view of situational reality, the most we can probably hope for at present is a greater degree of cooperation among major existing groups. Requisite to any form of cooperation or unity are a common philosophy and means of communication. The common philosophy must be broad enough to include all reasonable approaches and narrow enough to exclude those approaches that are actually harmful to that philosophy. I have long suggested a philosophy meeting that criteria: “To preserve the traditional nuclear family through restoration of equal dignity and equal (not identical) rights under the law for all male persons across a broad spectrum of life, including divorce, employment, health and crime punishment.” Anything essentially similar to this will do. I ask leaders of the major men’s/fathers’ organizations to respond to me with comments, pro and con.

It is my intention to list on this blog the organizations prepared to sign on to a unity/cooperation effort. In addition to identifying the cooperative among us, this list will be informative for non-affiliated persons wishing to join organizations oriented toward achieving justice and who desire to avoid ego-driven groups.

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  • Richard Doyle

    Dr_rythm: again, you have hit the nail on the head; 1st things 1st.

    John and Walter: you make good points, but seem to make incorrect assumptions, i.e., that cooperation within the movement requires formation of a new umbrella organization up front. N’est ce pas. I quote from my initial proposal “But practically, in view of situational reality, the most we can probably hope for at present is a greater degree of cooperation among major existing groups. Requisite to any form of cooperation or unity are a common philosophy and means of communication.

    Secondly, if we should ever mature to the point that an umbrella organization would be appropriate, it needn’t be NEW. Men’s Equality Now (MEN) International inc. already exists. Professor Amneus, I, and others formed it in the 1970s for just that purpose. I have preserved its hard-to-obtain IRS 501 (c)(3) umbrella status.

    So, it would appear that the major objections have been met. Our ONLY remaining problem, and I do not discount its difficulty, is to convince the major organizations to come aboard — to build the foundation BRFORE building the upper storeys. The problem with starting on upper storeys is that we can’t get a sufficient following to effectively pursue them (however meritorious they may be). That’s been our big obstacle for over 30 years.

    Respectfully submitted. RFD

  • Richard Doyle

    Dr_rythm: again, you have hit the nail on the head; 1st things 1st.

    John and Walter: you make good points, but seem to make incorrect assumptions, i.e., that cooperation within the movement requires formation of a new umbrella organization up front. N’est ce pas. I quote from my initial proposal “But practically, in view of situational reality, the most we can probably hope for at present is a greater degree of cooperation among major existing groups. Requisite to any form of cooperation or unity are a common philosophy and means of communication.

    Secondly, if we should ever mature to the point that an umbrella organization would be appropriate, it needn’t be NEW. Men’s Equality Now (MEN) International inc. already exists. Professor Amneus, I, and others formed it in the 1970s for just that purpose. I have preserved its hard-to-obtain IRS 501 (c)(3) umbrella status.

    So, it would appear that the major objections have been met. Our ONLY remaining problem, and I do not discount its difficulty, is to convince the major organizations to come aboard — to build the foundation BRFORE building the upper storeys. The problem with starting on upper storeys is that we can’t get a sufficient following to effectively pursue them (however meritorious they may be). That’s been our big obstacle for over 30 years.

    Respectfully submitted. RFD

  • Richard Doyle

    Dr_rythm: again, you have hit the nail on the head; 1st things 1st.

    John and Walter: you make good points, but seem to make incorrect assumptions, i.e., that cooperation within the movement requires formation of a new umbrella organization up front. N’est ce pas. I quote from my initial proposal “But practically, in view of situational reality, the most we can probably hope for at present is a greater degree of cooperation among major existing groups. Requisite to any form of cooperation or unity are a common philosophy and means of communication.

    Secondly, if we should ever mature to the point that an umbrella organization would be appropriate, it needn’t be NEW. Men’s Equality Now (MEN) International inc. already exists. Professor Amneus, I, and others formed it in the 1970s for just that purpose. I have preserved its hard-to-obtain IRS 501 (c)(3) umbrella status.

    So, it would appear that the major objections have been met. Our ONLY remaining problem, and I do not discount its difficulty, is to convince the major organizations to come aboard — to build the foundation BRFORE building the upper storeys. The problem with starting on upper storeys is that we can’t get a sufficient following to effectively pursue them (however meritorious they may be). That’s been our big obstacle for over 30 years.

    Respectfully submitted. RFD

  • http://fathersforlife.org Walter Schneider

    John, you may have hit on the method by which we can succeed. I don’t have a cell phone but am willing to get one to try out what you propose. I imagine that most other people have one already.

    Your suggestion should work, and there is no reason why we should wait for a unified roof organization to be formed to make it work. It may even help to speed things along.

    How can we go about giving it a try?

  • http://fathersforlife.org Walter Schneider

    John, you may have hit on the method by which we can succeed. I don’t have a cell phone but am willing to get one to try out what you propose. I imagine that most other people have one already.

    Your suggestion should work, and there is no reason why we should wait for a unified roof organization to be formed to make it work. It may even help to speed things along.

    How can we go about giving it a try?

  • http://fathersforlife.org Walter Schneider

    John, you may have hit on the method by which we can succeed. I don’t have a cell phone but am willing to get one to try out what you propose. I imagine that most other people have one already.

    Your suggestion should work, and there is no reason why we should wait for a unified roof organization to be formed to make it work. It may even help to speed things along.

    How can we go about giving it a try?

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Dr_Rythm wrote:
    “John, As worthy as your ideas are, you are describing the means of communication for members of an organisation that has barely been conceived.”

    Not at all. I am not saying that an organization be formed first, which everyone would then join after a face-to-face meeting, followed by coordination and logistics (which would include my suggestions). That is NOT the formula I propose. In fact, what I’m proposing is more likely to happen than a new organization being formed with pre-existing ones “succumbing to a higher authority.” The winds are with me, not with the idea you and others have discussed (forming a new organization). Since the winds are with me, and it’s unlikely that any new organization would ever succeed in making pre-existing ones “submit,” we should adapt to the likely reality. If you still want to start another organization, let it rest on the existing work that others have done, rather than taking them over.

    What I am proposing is a bit anarchical, with no overarching organization controlling anything. Did any one organization need to control the Internet? No! And yet there is an explosion of free speech, idea-sharing, resource-sharing, and of course information sharing — all activity that takes place between totally disjointed people.

    I believe it would be absolutely great if an over-arching organization came along to unite the fractured men’s movement. I really do. I would support such an effort. When it materializes, I will participate and advance it. But remember, this “umbrella organization” is NOT a prerequisite!

    We can BENEFIT from the anonymity of the Internet, hell we can even benefit from the lack of an umbrella organization! Simply having people electronically subscribe to receive text message notifications from a plethora of like-minded groups is just as good as an organization forming with recruited members. Except no members need pay any dues, no members need pay a fee in order to participate. And if you expect this (yet another prerequisite) as a condition of unity in this movement, you are handicapping that same movement.

    Come to think of it, I don’t even need anyone’s permission here to start organizing. I have already contacted the U.S. headquarters of Fathers 4 Justice and they are enthusiastic. I’m 1-for-1. And when I’ve established an electronic network of (admittedly disjointed) activists, we’ll be ready when your umbrella organization comes along. We’ll take our marching orders from local and regional leaders in the meantime, and perhaps even a few of the smaller (but established) national organizations.

    There is no need for one goal to preempt the other. Organizing an army now can only be beneficial. Think it can’t be done? The success of MySpace, the blogosphere, e-mail (the “killer app”) and the Web itself testify in my favor. And if I’m unsuccessful? I lose very little; only the phone calls and e-mails I sent out to the existing leaders in the movement. This is a no-brainer. Organizing a loose army of activists now does not threaten an umbrella organization later. We should be embracing this.

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Dr_Rythm wrote:
    “John, As worthy as your ideas are, you are describing the means of communication for members of an organisation that has barely been conceived.”

    Not at all. I am not saying that an organization be formed first, which everyone would then join after a face-to-face meeting, followed by coordination and logistics (which would include my suggestions). That is NOT the formula I propose. In fact, what I’m proposing is more likely to happen than a new organization being formed with pre-existing ones “succumbing to a higher authority.” The winds are with me, not with the idea you and others have discussed (forming a new organization). Since the winds are with me, and it’s unlikely that any new organization would ever succeed in making pre-existing ones “submit,” we should adapt to the likely reality. If you still want to start another organization, let it rest on the existing work that others have done, rather than taking them over.

    What I am proposing is a bit anarchical, with no overarching organization controlling anything. Did any one organization need to control the Internet? No! And yet there is an explosion of free speech, idea-sharing, resource-sharing, and of course information sharing — all activity that takes place between totally disjointed people.

    I believe it would be absolutely great if an over-arching organization came along to unite the fractured men’s movement. I really do. I would support such an effort. When it materializes, I will participate and advance it. But remember, this “umbrella organization” is NOT a prerequisite!

    We can BENEFIT from the anonymity of the Internet, hell we can even benefit from the lack of an umbrella organization! Simply having people electronically subscribe to receive text message notifications from a plethora of like-minded groups is just as good as an organization forming with recruited members. Except no members need pay any dues, no members need pay a fee in order to participate. And if you expect this (yet another prerequisite) as a condition of unity in this movement, you are handicapping that same movement.

    Come to think of it, I don’t even need anyone’s permission here to start organizing. I have already contacted the U.S. headquarters of Fathers 4 Justice and they are enthusiastic. I’m 1-for-1. And when I’ve established an electronic network of (admittedly disjointed) activists, we’ll be ready when your umbrella organization comes along. We’ll take our marching orders from local and regional leaders in the meantime, and perhaps even a few of the smaller (but established) national organizations.

    There is no need for one goal to preempt the other. Organizing an army now can only be beneficial. Think it can’t be done? The success of MySpace, the blogosphere, e-mail (the “killer app”) and the Web itself testify in my favor. And if I’m unsuccessful? I lose very little; only the phone calls and e-mails I sent out to the existing leaders in the movement. This is a no-brainer. Organizing a loose army of activists now does not threaten an umbrella organization later. We should be embracing this.

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Dr_Rythm wrote:
    “John, As worthy as your ideas are, you are describing the means of communication for members of an organisation that has barely been conceived.”

    Not at all. I am not saying that an organization be formed first, which everyone would then join after a face-to-face meeting, followed by coordination and logistics (which would include my suggestions). That is NOT the formula I propose. In fact, what I’m proposing is more likely to happen than a new organization being formed with pre-existing ones “succumbing to a higher authority.” The winds are with me, not with the idea you and others have discussed (forming a new organization). Since the winds are with me, and it’s unlikely that any new organization would ever succeed in making pre-existing ones “submit,” we should adapt to the likely reality. If you still want to start another organization, let it rest on the existing work that others have done, rather than taking them over.

    What I am proposing is a bit anarchical, with no overarching organization controlling anything. Did any one organization need to control the Internet? No! And yet there is an explosion of free speech, idea-sharing, resource-sharing, and of course information sharing — all activity that takes place between totally disjointed people.

    I believe it would be absolutely great if an over-arching organization came along to unite the fractured men’s movement. I really do. I would support such an effort. When it materializes, I will participate and advance it. But remember, this “umbrella organization” is NOT a prerequisite!

    We can BENEFIT from the anonymity of the Internet, hell we can even benefit from the lack of an umbrella organization! Simply having people electronically subscribe to receive text message notifications from a plethora of like-minded groups is just as good as an organization forming with recruited members. Except no members need pay any dues, no members need pay a fee in order to participate. And if you expect this (yet another prerequisite) as a condition of unity in this movement, you are handicapping that same movement.

    Come to think of it, I don’t even need anyone’s permission here to start organizing. I have already contacted the U.S. headquarters of Fathers 4 Justice and they are enthusiastic. I’m 1-for-1. And when I’ve established an electronic network of (admittedly disjointed) activists, we’ll be ready when your umbrella organization comes along. We’ll take our marching orders from local and regional leaders in the meantime, and perhaps even a few of the smaller (but established) national organizations.

    There is no need for one goal to preempt the other. Organizing an army now can only be beneficial. Think it can’t be done? The success of MySpace, the blogosphere, e-mail (the “killer app”) and the Web itself testify in my favor. And if I’m unsuccessful? I lose very little; only the phone calls and e-mails I sent out to the existing leaders in the movement. This is a no-brainer. Organizing a loose army of activists now does not threaten an umbrella organization later. We should be embracing this.

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • dr_rythm

    John, As worthy as your ideas are, you are describing the means of communication for members of an organisation that has barely been conceived. The analogy is that of trying to fasten an aerial on a house that has not been built.

    People need to meet face to face to discuss the structure of such an organisation and how policy will be decided. There are huge obstacles to overcome for example, how to persuade the leaders of the various organisations to succumb to a higher authority. As Richard astutely pointed out, the motivating principle of some seems to be “Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.” Ideas for overcoming this first obstacle would be a good first step.

  • dr_rythm

    John, As worthy as your ideas are, you are describing the means of communication for members of an organisation that has barely been conceived. The analogy is that of trying to fasten an aerial on a house that has not been built.

    People need to meet face to face to discuss the structure of such an organisation and how policy will be decided. There are huge obstacles to overcome for example, how to persuade the leaders of the various organisations to succumb to a higher authority. As Richard astutely pointed out, the motivating principle of some seems to be “Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.” Ideas for overcoming this first obstacle would be a good first step.

  • dr_rythm

    John, As worthy as your ideas are, you are describing the means of communication for members of an organisation that has barely been conceived. The analogy is that of trying to fasten an aerial on a house that has not been built.

    People need to meet face to face to discuss the structure of such an organisation and how policy will be decided. There are huge obstacles to overcome for example, how to persuade the leaders of the various organisations to succumb to a higher authority. As Richard astutely pointed out, the motivating principle of some seems to be “Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.” Ideas for overcoming this first obstacle would be a good first step.

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    I recently posted an article on MND about how the various disjointed Mens Rights/Fathers Rights organizations in the movement need not necessarily be united as an organization. Instead, they merely need to be able to mobilize supporters more effectively.

    This can be done with technology. Bringing the blogosphere to the realm of cell phones, any organization can issue a call-to-action to an unseen army of activists via text messages combined with a modified form of voicemail. Such supporters can overlap from organization to organization; the important thing is that they are all mobilized immediately when a need arises.

    Here’s the article:

    “Men poised to organize ‘rapid reaction force’ for political gains”
    http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/10/16/men-poised-to-organize-rapid-reaction-force-for-political-gains/

    In this way, all you (as an activist) need to do is subscribe to the voice blogs of any group (or collection of groups) that has goals you support. Then just wait for a call-to-action, such as an appeal for letters to the editor or a call to a talk radio station, or letters to legislators, or financial donations to a ballot measure or political candidate.

    A good mentality to have if you’re leading a movement is to imagine that you already have minions of supporters; what would you ask them to do when a need arose, and how would you guide them? Too many organizations spend their time and resources amassing supporters, but use these vital resources ineffectively. Now, technology can reduce the need to waste money and time on amassing supporters and instead focus on the call-to-action itself.

    Imagine you’re such an activist. You’ve subscribed to a number of Fathers Rights voice blogs via Pheeder.com. You’re out on the town one day, eating lunch and reading a newspaper. Suddenly, you receive a text message from the Pheeder service; one of the organizations you’ve subscribed to has just issued a voice alert! You call the phone number indicated in the text message. Soon you hear in a recorded voice message from a prominent FRA group that a legislator has just introduced a bill in your state promoting shared custody, and needs supporters to show up at a rally the next morning where local media will be present. You now have a mission, and know exactly what you must do.

    The scenario could be changed to be a call to write a letter to the editor, or call in to a live talk show (where the window of opportunity to persuade the public, or refute a feminist, could be a matter of only 30 minutes).

    The potential is that technology can spread the costs of organizing to Web-based means (which are free), while the actual work need only focus on the job of refining a message and choosing an action for supporters to take. Technology is making political movements potentially more effective. Why not let it benefit ours?

    Check out the URL above and read more about this technology. I believe it can really help. We need to stop fussing about uniting as an organization (or a collection of united organizations), as this is rather monumental. Instead, we should give each organization a means to share supporters with the others — on an opt-in basis — using the advantages that new technology provides.

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    I recently posted an article on MND about how the various disjointed Mens Rights/Fathers Rights organizations in the movement need not necessarily be united as an organization. Instead, they merely need to be able to mobilize supporters more effectively.

    This can be done with technology. Bringing the blogosphere to the realm of cell phones, any organization can issue a call-to-action to an unseen army of activists via text messages combined with a modified form of voicemail. Such supporters can overlap from organization to organization; the important thing is that they are all mobilized immediately when a need arises.

    Here’s the article:

    “Men poised to organize ‘rapid reaction force’ for political gains”
    http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/10/16/men-poised-to-organize-rapid-reaction-force-for-political-gains/

    In this way, all you (as an activist) need to do is subscribe to the voice blogs of any group (or collection of groups) that has goals you support. Then just wait for a call-to-action, such as an appeal for letters to the editor or a call to a talk radio station, or letters to legislators, or financial donations to a ballot measure or political candidate.

    A good mentality to have if you’re leading a movement is to imagine that you already have minions of supporters; what would you ask them to do when a need arose, and how would you guide them? Too many organizations spend their time and resources amassing supporters, but use these vital resources ineffectively. Now, technology can reduce the need to waste money and time on amassing supporters and instead focus on the call-to-action itself.

    Imagine you’re such an activist. You’ve subscribed to a number of Fathers Rights voice blogs via Pheeder.com. You’re out on the town one day, eating lunch and reading a newspaper. Suddenly, you receive a text message from the Pheeder service; one of the organizations you’ve subscribed to has just issued a voice alert! You call the phone number indicated in the text message. Soon you hear in a recorded voice message from a prominent FRA group that a legislator has just introduced a bill in your state promoting shared custody, and needs supporters to show up at a rally the next morning where local media will be present. You now have a mission, and know exactly what you must do.

    The scenario could be changed to be a call to write a letter to the editor, or call in to a live talk show (where the window of opportunity to persuade the public, or refute a feminist, could be a matter of only 30 minutes).

    The potential is that technology can spread the costs of organizing to Web-based means (which are free), while the actual work need only focus on the job of refining a message and choosing an action for supporters to take. Technology is making political movements potentially more effective. Why not let it benefit ours?

    Check out the URL above and read more about this technology. I believe it can really help. We need to stop fussing about uniting as an organization (or a collection of united organizations), as this is rather monumental. Instead, we should give each organization a means to share supporters with the others — on an opt-in basis — using the advantages that new technology provides.

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    I recently posted an article on MND about how the various disjointed Mens Rights/Fathers Rights organizations in the movement need not necessarily be united as an organization. Instead, they merely need to be able to mobilize supporters more effectively.

    This can be done with technology. Bringing the blogosphere to the realm of cell phones, any organization can issue a call-to-action to an unseen army of activists via text messages combined with a modified form of voicemail. Such supporters can overlap from organization to organization; the important thing is that they are all mobilized immediately when a need arises.

    Here’s the article:

    “Men poised to organize ‘rapid reaction force’ for political gains”
    http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/10/16/men-poised-to-organize-rapid-reaction-force-for-political-gains/

    In this way, all you (as an activist) need to do is subscribe to the voice blogs of any group (or collection of groups) that has goals you support. Then just wait for a call-to-action, such as an appeal for letters to the editor or a call to a talk radio station, or letters to legislators, or financial donations to a ballot measure or political candidate.

    A good mentality to have if you’re leading a movement is to imagine that you already have minions of supporters; what would you ask them to do when a need arose, and how would you guide them? Too many organizations spend their time and resources amassing supporters, but use these vital resources ineffectively. Now, technology can reduce the need to waste money and time on amassing supporters and instead focus on the call-to-action itself.

    Imagine you’re such an activist. You’ve subscribed to a number of Fathers Rights voice blogs via Pheeder.com. You’re out on the town one day, eating lunch and reading a newspaper. Suddenly, you receive a text message from the Pheeder service; one of the organizations you’ve subscribed to has just issued a voice alert! You call the phone number indicated in the text message. Soon you hear in a recorded voice message from a prominent FRA group that a legislator has just introduced a bill in your state promoting shared custody, and needs supporters to show up at a rally the next morning where local media will be present. You now have a mission, and know exactly what you must do.

    The scenario could be changed to be a call to write a letter to the editor, or call in to a live talk show (where the window of opportunity to persuade the public, or refute a feminist, could be a matter of only 30 minutes).

    The potential is that technology can spread the costs of organizing to Web-based means (which are free), while the actual work need only focus on the job of refining a message and choosing an action for supporters to take. Technology is making political movements potentially more effective. Why not let it benefit ours?

    Check out the URL above and read more about this technology. I believe it can really help. We need to stop fussing about uniting as an organization (or a collection of united organizations), as this is rather monumental. Instead, we should give each organization a means to share supporters with the others — on an opt-in basis — using the advantages that new technology provides.

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com







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