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Riding the Estrogen Express

2006-10-31
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Contrary to its intent, the United States is methodically recasting itself as a singles-oriented nation. Notwithstanding the impassioned soapbox orations from politicians about marriage as the bedrock of society, their anti-male policies and laws are, in fact, killing the family and marriage.

In my article “Will Women Halt the Death of Marriage?” I wrote that, for men, marriage is a sucker’s deal. Before you fume at me, ladies, count the number of times you’ve seen a divorced mother writing child-support and alimony checks to her mansion-dwelling ex-husband from the card-table desk of her one-bedroom apartment. Enough said.

The American Community Survey, released in October 2006 by the US Census Bureau, found that, for the first time in US history, only 49.7 percent, or 55.2 million, of the nation’s 111.1 million households in 2005 were made up of married couples — with and without children — just shy of a majority and down from more than 52 percent in 2000.

Yes, folks, instead of solidifying marriage and simplifying our lives, the vote whores on Capitol Hill and in state assemblies across our great country have been catalyzing a pandemic of out-of-wedlock births and spawning costly, socialistic infrastructures to deal with them. As usual, they’ve created another fine mess where one didn’t exist. In this case, the root cause is fear of women (translation: fear of not getting the female vote).

When installing new software, the subscriber must click “I agree” on the 10-page, eye-glazing user agreement, if he expects it to function. How many times does one actually read these documents? I almost never do, because, if so, I’d still be installing Windows 95. Interestingly, when installing new women into their lives, men have a history of exhibiting similar, reflexive behavior — blindly, deferentially, and sycophantically agreeing to known and unknown caveats, provisos, clauses, and conditions. Why? Habit, conditioning, resignation, socialization, and belief that no other options exist.

The typical man, traditionally, has been so deferential to — and fearful of — women that he automatically will allow one to commandeer the dating, engagement, wedding, marriage, and divorce phases of his life. Then, he will kick himself afterwards and cry into the beer of anyone sympathetic enough to listen. Surrendering these phases to her is akin to riding a runaway train — The Estrogen Express — to Disasterville. The only question is, Will he disembark in time to avert the inevitable?

When you think about it, the traditional way of dealing with a woman is to permit her to control your life. Men mistakenly believe they will have more peace that way. This moronic behavior, based on the false assumption that men must crawl through broken glass to get laid, leads to devastating consequences. It’s quite scary to realize how much control over their lives men have conceded to women, with lots of help from misandric feminists and politicians.

But, it seems that the tide is now turning. Men are increasingly saying no to marriage and relationships, and the Census Bureau statistics prove it. Alas, the out-of-wedlock birthrate (see my article “Playing Abortion Chess”) also proves it. Men are finally realizing that they don’t have to get married and don’t want to get married. They are tired of playing a losing game against the house. To modern men, matrimony equals alimony — not safety, comfort, and love.

When I see a million women marching on the Mall in Washington, DC, demanding that our elected officials restore dignity to men and fathers and the family unit, I will become convinced that they truly believe in matrimony — not just alimony and child support. Until then, I’m not holding my breath.

About the Author

Marc H. Rudov is an internationally recognized author of 30+ articles and the book, The Man’s No-Nonsense Guide to Women: How to Succeed in Romance on Planet EarthTM (ISBN 0974501719).

Rudov’s book, articles, blog, and podcasts are available at http://www.TheNoNonsenseMan.com/.

Copyright © 2006 by Marc H. Rudov. All rights reserved.

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  • oneShef

    John,
    No nerve touched here. Discovering and separting the issues in marriage and women specifically as well as males who seek to impose on others by way of imposition has been a journey of exciting and soulful proportions. Your point is well taken with respect to focus on topic, yet, once again this is a forum for speech where all points are saliant, due in great part to the dynamics that life has dealt to us each. That is more fascinating when one has reflected on and can see parallels resident in topics such as this one. Respect is what is lacking in much of society..men to men and men to women…not pandering as I seem to see in every environment these days.

  • oneShef

    John,
    No nerve touched here. Discovering and separting the issues in marriage and women specifically as well as males who seek to impose on others by way of imposition has been a journey of exciting and soulful proportions. Your point is well taken with respect to focus on topic, yet, once again this is a forum for speech where all points are saliant, due in great part to the dynamics that life has dealt to us each. That is more fascinating when one has reflected on and can see parallels resident in topics such as this one. Respect is what is lacking in much of society..men to men and men to women…not pandering as I seem to see in every environment these days.

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    oneShef:

    Looks like I’ve really touched a nerve with you. Of course, yours is a common response of those who disagree with a valid point. Attack the messenger in order to discredit a valid message. In this case, the valid message was that you need to be more specific if you want to be more effective. I can measure my effectiveness quite well, I believe, and this has nothing to do with your ability to express yourself.

    It is a valid point that I raise about you, and about all men. Effective communication is something we all need to practice, and it is no less true when we yell “dumb ass” or “whine like a bitch” at those who raise this point. You would do well to describe the issues you had with your wife, so that others can relate to your situation and identify with the dynamic in your relationship with her. Perhaps they can then provide meaningful and insightful comments in reply.

    John Dias

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    oneShef:

    Looks like I’ve really touched a nerve with you. Of course, yours is a common response of those who disagree with a valid point. Attack the messenger in order to discredit a valid message. In this case, the valid message was that you need to be more specific if you want to be more effective. I can measure my effectiveness quite well, I believe, and this has nothing to do with your ability to express yourself.

    It is a valid point that I raise about you, and about all men. Effective communication is something we all need to practice, and it is no less true when we yell “dumb ass” or “whine like a bitch” at those who raise this point. You would do well to describe the issues you had with your wife, so that others can relate to your situation and identify with the dynamic in your relationship with her. Perhaps they can then provide meaningful and insightful comments in reply.

    John Dias

  • oneShef

    John,
    one other thought…salience also involves PRACTICE. I’ll keep practicing, perfecting my writig skills while I suggest you curb your desire to deride those you find fault with in their writing style. I notice that you can’t help but coach, correct, etc. many posters you feel need a nudge! That’s why I come to MND, to get your self edifying, pompass, self deluded, narrow thinking, oh yeh, and your “predictions” after the fact or concurrent to posted news elsewhere…:)..;)…

  • oneShef

    John,
    one other thought…salience also involves PRACTICE. I’ll keep practicing, perfecting my writig skills while I suggest you curb your desire to deride those you find fault with in their writing style. I notice that you can’t help but coach, correct, etc. many posters you feel need a nudge! That’s why I come to MND, to get your self edifying, pompass, self deluded, narrow thinking, oh yeh, and your “predictions” after the fact or concurrent to posted news elsewhere…:)..;)…

  • oneShef

    John,
    the late hour contributed, and being concise would help too. That said, I visited your web site and see that you have 48 registered users…wow…a big 48. Try the low key approach and it may have a little more impact the next time you choose to criticize anyones writing, you dumbass! This is an open forum and guys such as yourself only make open discussion difficult at best because you can’t help but be a pain in the ass to everyone you speak to…so long as you get to speak your mind, of course! Brevity, I can see is not your strength either. Try a few of you recomendations prior to issuing suggestions it is clear you have not tried.

    I choose to contribute here, as a means of expressing life experience as well as observation and knowledge. You on the otherhand, whine like a little bitch you write about. Get over yourself, your writing is not THAT good, as the few users of your web site would most likely attest to. Still, keep trying, I do admire you for putting forth the effort to contribute..

  • oneShef

    John,
    the late hour contributed, and being concise would help too. That said, I visited your web site and see that you have 48 registered users…wow…a big 48. Try the low key approach and it may have a little more impact the next time you choose to criticize anyones writing, you dumbass! This is an open forum and guys such as yourself only make open discussion difficult at best because you can’t help but be a pain in the ass to everyone you speak to…so long as you get to speak your mind, of course! Brevity, I can see is not your strength either. Try a few of you recomendations prior to issuing suggestions it is clear you have not tried.

    I choose to contribute here, as a means of expressing life experience as well as observation and knowledge. You on the otherhand, whine like a little bitch you write about. Get over yourself, your writing is not THAT good, as the few users of your web site would most likely attest to. Still, keep trying, I do admire you for putting forth the effort to contribute..

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    oneShef:

    You sound like you really enjoy your own writing. I would advise you to speak in more plain terms. A had to read your post twice before I had an idea of what the hell you were talking about. A little word of advice: look up the word “salience” in the dictionary. Learn it, live it, and infuse it into your writing. You (and probably your apparently troubled relationship) will be much better for it! You need to be more specific, more detailed, more hard-hitting in you want to convey something interesting and meaningful.

    No wonder guys like Warren Farrell had to write the book “Women Can’t Hear What Men Don’t Say”:
    http://www.warrenfarrell.info/

    You are the prime target of that book!

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    oneShef:

    You sound like you really enjoy your own writing. I would advise you to speak in more plain terms. A had to read your post twice before I had an idea of what the hell you were talking about. A little word of advice: look up the word “salience” in the dictionary. Learn it, live it, and infuse it into your writing. You (and probably your apparently troubled relationship) will be much better for it! You need to be more specific, more detailed, more hard-hitting in you want to convey something interesting and meaningful.

    No wonder guys like Warren Farrell had to write the book “Women Can’t Hear What Men Don’t Say”:
    http://www.warrenfarrell.info/

    You are the prime target of that book!

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • oneShef

    Saturday Night Live ran a skit several years ago with Will Farrel and two other guys I do not remember. The scene was set as the bachelor party for guy one. While at the bar downing their first drinks, the bachelor excuses himself to drain the monster. While away, the dialogue centers on WHO is going to tell this poor sap the REAL truth…no me, you can do it. Unh, unh, not me, he’s your friend. You do it…no way. By the way, who told you? ME, me…noone told me…F___k him, let him find out by himself,…as the bachelor returns from the privy. Soooo…

    Having been married for twenty plus years, I finally laughed for I had been had. It took Staurday Night Live to give me cause to look at all the input. All the hooks had been present, but being raised chivelrous(sp?), I was looking at all the wrong accoutrements. Now, having fought for most of these twenty years, we have finally made some headway. The genesis in her family was a man in the midst of four women and the queen constantly undoing the word of law. Each of these three girls has had her share of confusion and disappointents in their relationships. Like most all of us, they just did not understand where the problem really originated. In a final fit of despair and consignment, I let my share of the triumverate know that the double talk was not lining up with her profession of faith and belief. It all hit me when a friend(from India) told me that ALL women, especially western women, just did not comprehend which side of their bread was buttered. He reminded me that I was a MAN, and I should not recoil from the image I saw in the mirror. Hmmmm, while not one to recoil, I reminded him, it did present a unique conundrem of sorts. Me and my sanity or her and, well, her stuff…sisters…mother…

    Of course you can see the problem this presented for her. Change, well that would be uncomfortable. You change, she advised. I had waited for this and I sprang, like a, like a…crap, I haven’t sprang in so long I forgot what the crap it was like. Anyway, I unfurled the list of changes I had made over my career marriage to her’s truely and then presented my well documented list of her accomodations, all five of them, for her review. She advised me of one I had failed to list. I had planned for that one, shrugged my shoulders and gave a slight sigh, to preserve for her the sense of fight should she feel the need. Well guys(you too KateM) times, they are a changin!! I must tell you, we are two years into this and I’m not sure really, who I married to..two?! The person I thought I was getting when I said “I Do” or the person who showed up after the nuptials…I prefer the first as she really is the package I thought I’d bought years ago. In all due respect, it did take the departure of my mother-in-law from this life to assist in bringing about the change. Now, there is no one to usurp MY household..undermine purposely or otherwise well laid plans..or present independent thoughts in the line of STATIC>/

  • oneShef

    Saturday Night Live ran a skit several years ago with Will Farrel and two other guys I do not remember. The scene was set as the bachelor party for guy one. While at the bar downing their first drinks, the bachelor excuses himself to drain the monster. While away, the dialogue centers on WHO is going to tell this poor sap the REAL truth…no me, you can do it. Unh, unh, not me, he’s your friend. You do it…no way. By the way, who told you? ME, me…noone told me…F___k him, let him find out by himself,…as the bachelor returns from the privy. Soooo…

    Having been married for twenty plus years, I finally laughed for I had been had. It took Staurday Night Live to give me cause to look at all the input. All the hooks had been present, but being raised chivelrous(sp?), I was looking at all the wrong accoutrements. Now, having fought for most of these twenty years, we have finally made some headway. The genesis in her family was a man in the midst of four women and the queen constantly undoing the word of law. Each of these three girls has had her share of confusion and disappointents in their relationships. Like most all of us, they just did not understand where the problem really originated. In a final fit of despair and consignment, I let my share of the triumverate know that the double talk was not lining up with her profession of faith and belief. It all hit me when a friend(from India) told me that ALL women, especially western women, just did not comprehend which side of their bread was buttered. He reminded me that I was a MAN, and I should not recoil from the image I saw in the mirror. Hmmmm, while not one to recoil, I reminded him, it did present a unique conundrem of sorts. Me and my sanity or her and, well, her stuff…sisters…mother…

    Of course you can see the problem this presented for her. Change, well that would be uncomfortable. You change, she advised. I had waited for this and I sprang, like a, like a…crap, I haven’t sprang in so long I forgot what the crap it was like. Anyway, I unfurled the list of changes I had made over my career marriage to her’s truely and then presented my well documented list of her accomodations, all five of them, for her review. She advised me of one I had failed to list. I had planned for that one, shrugged my shoulders and gave a slight sigh, to preserve for her the sense of fight should she feel the need. Well guys(you too KateM) times, they are a changin!! I must tell you, we are two years into this and I’m not sure really, who I married to..two?! The person I thought I was getting when I said “I Do” or the person who showed up after the nuptials…I prefer the first as she really is the package I thought I’d bought years ago. In all due respect, it did take the departure of my mother-in-law from this life to assist in bringing about the change. Now, there is no one to usurp MY household..undermine purposely or otherwise well laid plans..or present independent thoughts in the line of STATIC>/

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    Fourthwire,

    There is a reason Leykis’s “poor bastards” don’t get it: The water authorities in their municipalities have added estrogen to the drinking supply, along with chlorine and flouride.

    A man must make a conscious and concerted effort to rid his body and mind of that estrogen. First, he must be aware that it courses through his veins — and learn how it got there. Second, he must fathom its dangers. Third, he must go through a cold-turkey withdrawal program. Otherwise, he is forever condemned to riding The Estrogen Express to Disasterville and his ultimate demise.

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    Fourthwire,

    There is a reason Leykis’s “poor bastards” don’t get it: The water authorities in their municipalities have added estrogen to the drinking supply, along with chlorine and flouride.

    A man must make a conscious and concerted effort to rid his body and mind of that estrogen. First, he must be aware that it courses through his veins — and learn how it got there. Second, he must fathom its dangers. Third, he must go through a cold-turkey withdrawal program. Otherwise, he is forever condemned to riding The Estrogen Express to Disasterville and his ultimate demise.

  • fourthwire

    “I heard at least five poor souls on Leykis tonight, knowingly boarding the Estrogen Express, hoping Tom would talk them out of it. Yet, they will board it anyway.”

    Tom provides his insights and opinions to the masses of men about how to get laid, using the least amount of $………..

    …….. and to help women understand how men think.

    The brighter students among his listeners learn from his experiences and information and avoid getting shackled onto The Estrogen Express (I’m really starting to appreciate that term, Marc!).

    Those pitiful bastards who “just don’t get it”……….. well, they often become material for Tom’s shows, not to mention object lessons for his students.

  • fourthwire

    “I heard at least five poor souls on Leykis tonight, knowingly boarding the Estrogen Express, hoping Tom would talk them out of it. Yet, they will board it anyway.”

    Tom provides his insights and opinions to the masses of men about how to get laid, using the least amount of $………..

    …….. and to help women understand how men think.

    The brighter students among his listeners learn from his experiences and information and avoid getting shackled onto The Estrogen Express (I’m really starting to appreciate that term, Marc!).

    Those pitiful bastards who “just don’t get it”……….. well, they often become material for Tom’s shows, not to mention object lessons for his students.

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    Roger,

    Morticia Addams was loving and honorable because Gomez had money and provided her comfort. Had his source of largesse tanked, Morticia and her lawyer would have severed his limbs in much the same way she would snip off those rose blossoms.

    You are dreaming.

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    Roger,

    Morticia Addams was loving and honorable because Gomez had money and provided her comfort. Had his source of largesse tanked, Morticia and her lawyer would have severed his limbs in much the same way she would snip off those rose blossoms.

    You are dreaming.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    On board the Estrogen Express, I look out the window and what do I see?
    A giant figure of John Aston, or is it Raul Julia?
    Playing the part of Gomez Addams!
    Brace yourselves! Everyone!
    Not every wife is as loving and honorable as Morticia Addams.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    On board the Estrogen Express, I look out the window and what do I see?
    A giant figure of John Aston, or is it Raul Julia?
    Playing the part of Gomez Addams!
    Brace yourselves! Everyone!
    Not every wife is as loving and honorable as Morticia Addams.

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Okay Marc, now you’re really starting to freak me out. I thought you referred to the estrogen-contaminated water supply in jest, until I did a search on the Web and learned this is a very real possibility:
    1. http://ag.arizona.edu/AZWATER/awr/july00/feature1.htm
    2. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=ytff1-&p=%2BPremarin%20%2B%22drinking%20water%22&ei=UTF-8

    Then I remembered reading some news stories a few days ago about how men have steadily lost testosterone over the past few years:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061031/hl_nm/testosterone_levels_dc_1

    I put the two claims together, and voila! Instant conspiracy! Are the feminists and their allies are trying to feminize men through the water supply? Am I crazy? Losing my marbles? Is this conclusion unfounded? I sure hope it is!

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Okay Marc, now you’re really starting to freak me out. I thought you referred to the estrogen-contaminated water supply in jest, until I did a search on the Web and learned this is a very real possibility:
    1. http://ag.arizona.edu/AZWATER/awr/july00/feature1.htm
    2. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=ytff1-&p=%2BPremarin%20%2B%22drinking%20water%22&ei=UTF-8

    Then I remembered reading some news stories a few days ago about how men have steadily lost testosterone over the past few years:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061031/hl_nm/testosterone_levels_dc_1

    I put the two claims together, and voila! Instant conspiracy! Are the feminists and their allies are trying to feminize men through the water supply? Am I crazy? Losing my marbles? Is this conclusion unfounded? I sure hope it is!

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Okay Marc, now you’re really starting to freak me out. I thought you referred to the estrogen-contaminated water supply in jest, until I did a search on the Web and learned this is a very real possibility. Then I remembered reading some news stories a few days ago about how men have steadily lost testosterone over the past few decades. I put the two claims together, and voila! Instant conspiracy! The feminists and their allies are trying to feminize men through the water supply. Crazy? Am I losing my marbles? Is this conclusion unfounded? I hope it is!

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Okay Marc, now you’re really starting to freak me out. I thought you referred to the estrogen-contaminated water supply in jest, until I did a search on the Web and learned this is a very real possibility. Then I remembered reading some news stories a few days ago about how men have steadily lost testosterone over the past few decades. I put the two claims together, and voila! Instant conspiracy! The feminists and their allies are trying to feminize men through the water supply. Crazy? Am I losing my marbles? Is this conclusion unfounded? I hope it is!

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    I heard at least five poor souls on Leykis tonight, knowingly boarding the Estrogen Express, hoping Tom would talk them out of it. Yet, they will board it anyway.

    I can hear the crash, in advance. Tsk, tsk.

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    I heard at least five poor souls on Leykis tonight, knowingly boarding the Estrogen Express, hoping Tom would talk them out of it. Yet, they will board it anyway.

    I can hear the crash, in advance. Tsk, tsk.

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    Marc Rudov says: “I agree with John Dias: Roger’s peonage-law argument is not going to serve men well. It is not getting any traction and stirring any emotion.”

    The best analogy here for this attitude is the so called Energy Crisis. There is no shortage of uranium. Even without breeder reactors converting the 99.3% of natural uranium that is U-238 into plutonium that can be burned in power plant reactors. And the oil shale of Wyoming and Colorado? There is only about a hundred Saudi Arabia equivalents there! We build a few refineries that can generate kerosene, gasoline, and deisel fuel from oil shale for a price competitive with such fuels refined from liquid petroleum, there will be no more fuel shortage for the next 1,000 years!

    Fortunately, the uranium and oil shale will still be there when we have tried everything else!

    Hopefully, so will the Peonage Law.

    My problem with your attitude about trying everything else first before trying the Peonage Law is that I would rather have my freedom restored sooner than later. I also prefer not the resort to violence that may happen if we keep the millions of angry men waiting for a nonviolent solution.

    Yes, John Murtari is playing the nonviolent martyr to the hilt and we should be thankful for him doing that.
    He also cited the Peonage Law in his pleadings.

    Maybe the Peonage Law will stir some emotions and gain some traction if you try it, and see the look on their faces!

    That part is FUN!

  • http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com Roger Knight

    Marc Rudov says: “I agree with John Dias: Roger’s peonage-law argument is not going to serve men well. It is not getting any traction and stirring any emotion.”

    The best analogy here for this attitude is the so called Energy Crisis. There is no shortage of uranium. Even without breeder reactors converting the 99.3% of natural uranium that is U-238 into plutonium that can be burned in power plant reactors. And the oil shale of Wyoming and Colorado? There is only about a hundred Saudi Arabia equivalents there! We build a few refineries that can generate kerosene, gasoline, and deisel fuel from oil shale for a price competitive with such fuels refined from liquid petroleum, there will be no more fuel shortage for the next 1,000 years!

    Fortunately, the uranium and oil shale will still be there when we have tried everything else!

    Hopefully, so will the Peonage Law.

    My problem with your attitude about trying everything else first before trying the Peonage Law is that I would rather have my freedom restored sooner than later. I also prefer not the resort to violence that may happen if we keep the millions of angry men waiting for a nonviolent solution.

    Yes, John Murtari is playing the nonviolent martyr to the hilt and we should be thankful for him doing that.
    He also cited the Peonage Law in his pleadings.

    Maybe the Peonage Law will stir some emotions and gain some traction if you try it, and see the look on their faces!

    That part is FUN!

  • fourthwire

    Marc, my point about competition was this:

    When you deny women their entitlement, they hunt elsewhere, just as when women deny you sex, you hunt elsewhere.

    You are competing with other men for women’s attention and sexual services, as those women are competing with other men for men’s attention and financial prowess (and perhaps sexual services, as well).

    Until a great number of men “veto” women’s entitlement, women will simply take their hunting elsewhere.

    Otherwise, we seem to agree completely at this point (and in a timely manner, too…. since this blog will soon slide into the dark recesses of MND’s archives!).

    cheers

  • fourthwire

    Marc, my point about competition was this:

    When you deny women their entitlement, they hunt elsewhere, just as when women deny you sex, you hunt elsewhere.

    You are competing with other men for women’s attention and sexual services, as those women are competing with other men for men’s attention and financial prowess (and perhaps sexual services, as well).

    Until a great number of men “veto” women’s entitlement, women will simply take their hunting elsewhere.

    Otherwise, we seem to agree completely at this point (and in a timely manner, too…. since this blog will soon slide into the dark recesses of MND’s archives!).

    cheers

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    Fourthwire,

    This is not about male or female competition. It is about base behavior.

    I do not blame men for women’s behavior. I blame men for TOLERATING it. As with a child, when the “adult” doesn’t tolerate nonsense, the nonsense stops.

    I do blame male elected and appointed government officials for incenting women to behave as bitches. These men have sold the rest of us down the river.

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    Fourthwire,

    This is not about male or female competition. It is about base behavior.

    I do not blame men for women’s behavior. I blame men for TOLERATING it. As with a child, when the “adult” doesn’t tolerate nonsense, the nonsense stops.

    I do blame male elected and appointed government officials for incenting women to behave as bitches. These men have sold the rest of us down the river.

  • fourthwire

    I understand your points, Marc.

    Obviously we will continue to disagree on who’s to blame for women’s senses of entitlement.

    Men are in competition with one another, just as women are in competition with one another.

    As such personal veto-power has consequences proportional to the scale and scope of agreement with others’ behavior.

    Too many American women enjoy those entitlements provided by American law, American courts, American businesses, and American society.

    You would likely write that those entitlements were provided by American men.

    I still disagree that American men should bear the blame for American women’s behavior, but you make some great points in your blog.

  • fourthwire

    I understand your points, Marc.

    Obviously we will continue to disagree on who’s to blame for women’s senses of entitlement.

    Men are in competition with one another, just as women are in competition with one another.

    As such personal veto-power has consequences proportional to the scale and scope of agreement with others’ behavior.

    Too many American women enjoy those entitlements provided by American law, American courts, American businesses, and American society.

    You would likely write that those entitlements were provided by American men.

    I still disagree that American men should bear the blame for American women’s behavior, but you make some great points in your blog.

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    No :)

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    No :)

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    Amfortas,

    You are making this much too complex. Just say no. End of story.

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    Amfortas,

    You are making this much too complex. Just say no. End of story.

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    I don’t blame either men or women, fathers or mothers for their efforts to give their children whatever advantages and privileges they can. Yes, most of us do indulge our children, perhaps too much for their moral health. This does not indicate a totality of the ‘entitlement’ cause however. Children grow up and our indulgence and protective efforts give way to need for autonomy. The modern woman’s entitlement seems to me driven by their adherence to a faux victim excuse, past faux victimhood, not of their own but of some obscure past population. The ‘you owe me, because I am like them’ drive. An ‘Indulged’ generation hardly has a complaint about their own victimhood.

    I can but only agree with you Marc that we men have indulged adult women for far too long, but even that seems to be down to nature rather than nurture, though our past two generations have taken it to extremes, driven largely by – advertising; ‘show and tell’ sitcoms on TV that provide toxic role models; a ‘sales’ mentality; the rise and rise of ‘self-help’ Gurus who pander to the women; the ubiquitous Law profession that reaps huge rents from the pain and division they encourage; and the institutional bias in treating small children in schools.

    Its more complex than just indulging daddies little girl. But a start in the origins-identification game could be the exposure of future personality and behavioural trait by examining the roles and tactics adopted and refined by little girls in the playground. Most women just do not grow up.

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    I don’t blame either men or women, fathers or mothers for their efforts to give their children whatever advantages and privileges they can. Yes, most of us do indulge our children, perhaps too much for their moral health. This does not indicate a totality of the ‘entitlement’ cause however. Children grow up and our indulgence and protective efforts give way to need for autonomy. The modern woman’s entitlement seems to me driven by their adherence to a faux victim excuse, past faux victimhood, not of their own but of some obscure past population. The ‘you owe me, because I am like them’ drive. An ‘Indulged’ generation hardly has a complaint about their own victimhood.

    I can but only agree with you Marc that we men have indulged adult women for far too long, but even that seems to be down to nature rather than nurture, though our past two generations have taken it to extremes, driven largely by – advertising; ‘show and tell’ sitcoms on TV that provide toxic role models; a ‘sales’ mentality; the rise and rise of ‘self-help’ Gurus who pander to the women; the ubiquitous Law profession that reaps huge rents from the pain and division they encourage; and the institutional bias in treating small children in schools.

    Its more complex than just indulging daddies little girl. But a start in the origins-identification game could be the exposure of future personality and behavioural trait by examining the roles and tactics adopted and refined by little girls in the playground. Most women just do not grow up.

  • KateM

    Marc, I agree with everything you’ve said except the part about how women will eventually force the legal changes. Men are going to have to do that. At least if they want the changes any time soon.

    Most women were raised in a home where their father was the primary provider for the family. That is how they were imprinted and a positive shift towards men, to equality, will only happen when men, as you said, “Take everything, (their), parents taught, (them), about deferring to women and throw it out the window.” Good women will “see it” and they will stand with you to see that the necessary changes are made.

  • KateM

    Marc, I agree with everything you’ve said except the part about how women will eventually force the legal changes. Men are going to have to do that. At least if they want the changes any time soon.

    Most women were raised in a home where their father was the primary provider for the family. That is how they were imprinted and a positive shift towards men, to equality, will only happen when men, as you said, “Take everything, (their), parents taught, (them), about deferring to women and throw it out the window.” Good women will “see it” and they will stand with you to see that the necessary changes are made.

  • http://TheNoNonsenseMan.com Marc Rudov

    Fourthwire,

    Women can have all the expectations in the world, but the man who accedes to those expectations validates and legitimizes them. Otherwise, they are merely wishes.

    When an entitled woman approaches me, I shut her down. Entitlement game over. If she then approaches another man who relents to her whims, the entitlement game is back on.

    Man wines and dines woman. Man marries said woman. They produce a daughter, who becomes daddy’s little girl. Daddy can’t say no to his daughter, as he couldn’t and can’t say no to his wife. The cycle perpetuates. Little girl grows into entitled bitch.

    Until I’m blue in the face and you guys get it, I will blame men for successful female entitlement.







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