Riding the Estrogen Express

Fourthwire,

Women can have all the expectations in the world, but the man who accedes to those expectations validates and legitimizes them. Otherwise, they are merely wishes.

When an entitled woman approaches me, I shut her down. Entitlement game over. If she then approaches another man who relents to her whims, the entitlement game is back on.

Man wines and dines woman. Man marries said woman. They produce a daughter, who becomes daddy’s little girl. Daddy can’t say no to his daughter, as he couldn’t and can’t say no to his wife. The cycle perpetuates. Little girl grows into entitled bitch.

Until I’m blue in the face and you guys get it, I will blame men for successful female entitlement.

Marc,

I see women’s senses of entitlement as beginning with their mothers, rather than their fathers.

And to be sure, many girls today don’t HAVE actual bona fide fathers, just sperm donors and walking ATM cards.

And moving ahead to girls’ teenaged years, don’t you believe that feminist-inspired mainstream media, public schools, higher education, and other aspects of society that men have been alienated or marginalized from, if not simply outvoted have played their roles in constructing a world of female entitlement?

Men are certainly guilty of continuing the outmoded and destructive forms of chivalry that lends itself to becoming accomplices to feminism.

Obviously I agree with the letter and spirit of your blog, Marc.

I just don’t see men as being much more responsible for women’s senses of entitlement than accomodating those senses of entitlement.

Women DRIVE the expectations inherent to their entitlements and privilege.

Men merely accomodate those.

While it’s true that men don’t HAVE to accomodate those, women don’t have to DRIVE those in the first place.

Obviously I agree that men ought to refuse, but that’s simply reaffirming what we already agree on – that men have a personal VETO over every relationship and potential relationship in their lives.

Very few men’s rights activists are urging men to USE that veto, and use it consistently, avoiding the “honey trap” and lure of actual or potential sex to acquiesce to women’s entitlements.

Fewer and fewer boys are growing up with fathers to teach them how to behave like men, including how to say “NO!” to women.

I hope that your books and Tom Leykis’ broadcasts reach even larger audiences.

KateM:

Look at the home page of MND. Mike Lasalle just posted an article confirming my prediction, although it pertains to England. The U.S. will be next, I believe. Several states are already doing this. For example, California grants alimony to formerly cohabiting couples who share a child together (usually to the woman). I believe the caviat is that a child is involved, but I predict the next step is that simply living together will be enough to initiate divorce-like procedings against the man.

Check it out:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/11/01/unmarried-couples-may-be-granted-divorce-rights/

John Dias

John Dias wrote, “The next seizure of power the feminists will be lurching for is the same advantages women have in divorce being applied to the breakup of cohabiting couples. I predict this will be the next battleground.”

I never would have thought of that John but I think you made a very important prediction.

Men are, hopefully, unwilling to marry without a pre-nuptial agreement these days. It is scary, but true, that a pre-cohabitation agreement is probably just as important.

Personally, I think a lot of things should be written down before people combine their lives. What happens if things don’t work out is extremely important to document, but each person stating how he wants the relationship to look in the future will help people decide if they want to get in to begin with.

I agree with John Dias: Roger’s peonage-law argument is not going to serve men well. It is not getting any traction and stirring any emotion.

I think the way to win is in the streets: change how you deal with women. Take everything your parents taught you about deferring to women and throw it out the window.

Eventually, when enough women see that men no longer have any use for them — other than sexual intercourse — they will force the necessary legal changes to make men human beings once again.

Everyone on this string is making good points, excellent points. A big bravo, all of you, pat yourselves on the back.
Please allow me to give one really FUN reason to tell women, and our judiciary, our legal system, our massive family law, welfare, public assistance, child support crusading bureaucracy, and the rest of them “hell no” by screaming for the enforcement of the Peonage Law:
The looks on their faces.
We seize the moral high ground. No one has the right to make anyone a slave. No one.
Having children is not an excuse.
Their legitimate needs is not an excuse and more than that, such use of children as a weapon against either parent is cruel.
And by the way, a felony punishable by up to 20 years of imprisonment.
And when you demand the enforcement of 18 U.S.C. §1581 and 42 U.S.C. §1994, the fun part is:
The look on their faces.

Fourthwire,

Au contraire, my friend. Men DID make women feel entitled, and men DID hand women all their inequitable rights.

Who raises girls to feel entitled? Fathers. Who does the majority of wining & dining? Men. Who gives jewelry in exchange for sex? Men. Who believes men are more sexual than women? Naive men. So, why do women feel entitled? Gee, I don’t know.

Who gave women all these inequitable rights — Roe v. Wade, VAWA, safe-haven laws, automatic child custody, fraudulent-maternity child support, vaginamony, etc.? MALE legislators, mayors, governors, judges, justices, presidents. That’s who!

Who allowed the Estrogen Express to be built? Men. If MEN were telling women, “hell no,” entitlements, pedestals, and privileges would be NONEXISTENT.

Marc, I tend to disagree with your last sentence.

Men didn’t MAKE women feel entitled and have the right to execute this perfect deal.

Women do all that on their own – and they have the power of the law to back them up.

It’s true that men could OBJECT more loudly, and objecting loudly to the politicians presumably would matter.

But women have used their political power, allowed radical feminists to speak for them in order to acquire those entitlements.

Men are guilty of not catching on quickly enough to say “hell, no” to marriage.

Men are still guilty as a group of not voicing their dissatisfaction with the status quo of women’s entitlements.

But men didn’t MAKE women feel entitled.

Women managed that to handle that part, aided with their “spokeswomen” like Kim Gandy.

KateM,

May the Estrogen Express crash with no passengers inside.

You are correct: men must guard against women hell-bent on having children. These women see men only as ATM/sperm donors, the means to an end. That end is legitimate children and support for those children. After giving birth, she can jettison her husband, who was never important to her, and still take his cash. It’s a perfect deal for HER.

Who made women feel entitled to, and have the right to execute, this perfect deal? Men.

John Dias, are you inviting me to post my own opinion column?
Interesting proposition.
I have plenty of material already published at http://www.antipeonage.0catch.com
Feel free to read it all. Only cost is your time.

Excellent points, Malakas.

Plenty of people need The Man’s No-Nonsense Guide to Women: men who don’t know how to find the good ones; women who want to be the good ones.

Excellent article Marc!

The only quibble I might have with the comments above is this ‘good woman/bad woman’argument. I would suggest that women, like men, can be as good as they’re expected to be and as bad as they’re allowed to be. The environment dictates which way they will go.

(Take the example of Mr ‘M’ whom I know very well. He married a ‘good’ Asian woman but made the mistake of taking her west for a few years. There she was still very good (compared to the competition) but the Femovirus is insidious. On his return to Asia he discovered that his wife had a mild but stubborn infection. Since there is no known anti-viral agent, it took a couple of years of therapy before she recovered her moral health.)

Goodies and baddies, black and white, Christian & Muslim are distractions to keep men apart. Given our natural instinct for competition we happily play the game, to our own detriment.

Anybody think Muslims don’t sometimes marry bitches? Mr ‘M’ would tell you that they do – but they’d rather keep it in the family. In an environment where government does not, or cannot, interfere. Therefore his failure to control his wife is his responsibility. If he fails, what kind of man is he?

If he succeeds, even women will applaud. But while he thought he was doing the right thing, far-off governments with Smart-Alec ideas interpret it differently. Since he’s an oppressor of wymmin, he should expect a few bombs. It’s only right.(the fact that he’s sitting on a lot of oil, or might obstruct access to even more oil, is quite irrelevant)

As Marc describes, western men toil under the yoke of self-indulgent feminism. But they are men first and politicians prod and poke the most sensitive and primitive instincts for their own benefit. What unites men, all over the world, is infinitely greater than what divides them and exploiting basic instincts always backfires on politicians.

Finally, there’s a very simple question. Why do we need a ‘no-nonsense guide to women”. What women are we talking about, just the Good, the Bad and the Ugly?

Dear fourthwire,

You wrote: “Interesting to note that the mainstream media… usually attributes the falling marriage rate to WOMEN’S decreased interest in marriage…..

While I’m not buying into that particular nonsense, I notice that even many career-focused women DO want to marry….. eventually.”

Women are taught, and by current law supported in their belief, they can have it all and deserve to have it all. Unfortunately, when a career-focused woman reaches the year on her schedule, which is two to three years before SHE wants to start having babies, all too often she sizes a man up based on his ability to provide HER with the babies as well as the support for them — because it is about HER schedule. As Marc commented, that man is only the means to HER ends.

More and more men are refusing to ride the runaway train, ultimately, (hopefully), The Estrogen Express will crash.

Roger,

You will never get anywhere posting comments in reply to someone else’s opinion columns. You cite the US Federal Code for the Antipeonage Act, and insist that we start “screaming” for its enforcement. I would suggest you expand on this and start writing your own opinion columns. If you don’t have access, send an e-mail to Mike Lasalle asking if you can have access to post to Vox Populii. I know you have your own Web site, but it’s just ridiculous when you keep on trolling in the Comments section of this-or-that article or column, waging your (under the radar!) campaign. Post some persuasive articles and be the leader on this at MND, rather than someone who keeps begging for men to “scream” for something they are neither passionate or knowledgable about. They WOULD be interested if you could illustrate how the antipeonage act affects them, however.

I’ve seen you post GOBS AND GOBS of copied material into the comments section of other articles; this too will not work. A relatively short and succinct opinion column is enough to capture the attention of your readers, especially if it is focused on one specific topic. Over time, a steady stream of such articles will get you somewhere.

But I find no persuasive merit in trolling the Comments section. Marc is making some valid points, and he is not doing a disservice by omitting mention of the Antipeonage Act; he just has a different focus than you do. Why don’t you take the lead on this issue (at MND) instead of appealing to others to do so?

John Dias
Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

Marc, I only used the cancer analogy in response to your smoking habit analogy for those men addicted to trying to be the highest bidder for pussy.
A misunderstanding can happen when people talk about different things. I understand that there are plenty of women who love us men for who we are, and are not interested in gold digging.
I married one and fathered children with her when I thought she was like that. Unfortunately, she disappeared and in the same body was an entirely different person than the one I thought I was marrying.
“Who are you and what have you done with my wife?”
Sound familiar?
There are plenty of great and wonderful women out there, and I meet them all the time. Of course I am not completely chaste!
Now, with the protesting, letter-writing, and organizing activities so important to taking down the tyranny, a mention of the Antipeonage Act and the seizure of the moral high ground by calling it what it is: slavery and felony, might prove to be beneficial to us. Get a federal grand jury or two to indict these misandric clowns. That would be a lovely thing to have happen and it is what they fear the most.
But it ain’t gonna happen as long as we keep the Antipeonage Act a secret to the public from which the grand juries are drawn.

Roger,

I do understand the unfairness of oppressive vaginamony and child support. You are not alone in that department.

But, I refuse to call it cancer because doing so would make me feel hopeless and defeated, causing a downward spiral that would prohibit creative ways to bounce back financially.

No matter what happens in life, one can interpret it in several ways. I never want to choose the way in which I regard myself the victim. It is self-defeating.

That said, all the anti-gynocracy protesting, letter-writing, and organizing activities are extremely important. We must turn around these misandric clowns in elected and appointed positions.

Also critical is to keep seeking man-loving babes. Life is too boring without them.

Marc says:
“Roger,

Fortunately, the cancer YOU have is curable. All you need do is change your attitudes, behaviors, and strategies. Fighting alone? I don’t think so. You ain’t carrying the rest of us on your back.

When you disembark from The Estrogen Express, thereby permanently rejecting the entitled princesses, you will be positioned to bring good babes into your life. Then, your perspective will change dramatically.

People from all over the world buy my book and tell me how much their lives have changed. I do know what I’m talking about.”

I was talking about the unreasonable support order, and the total lack of respect for my rights, the inability to work a regular job without so much money taken out of my paycheck I have little to live on, the inability to deduct child support paid from taxable income, the permanent suspension of my license, etc, etc.

THAT cancer, Marc.

You seem to be talking about something else. To me your advice about changing my “attitudes” is extremely frustrating, as frustrating as being told I “need to find Jesus”. Or being told to go sit in a forest and beat a drum!

My frustration is that once you have been ensnared into this system of state sponsored armed robbery, extortion, and peonage, YOUR ATTITUDES MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER! The tyrants who enslave us do not give a damn how we feel or what we think!!

Now I am of the humble opinion that the nonviolent, lawful SOLUTION to our problems is available in the form of the Antipeonage Act.
Imagine if ONE MILLION ANGRY MEN AND WOMEN STARTED SCREAMING FOR THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE PEONAGE LAW!!!

You don’t have to like me to do that. I will LOVE you if you do that, regardless of any and all other faults you may have.

The alternative as I see it looks like a resort to the Second Amendment.

Once my American rights have been restored, I will be happy to date all the ladies you reject because they talk about gay friends. With my American rights restored, it will be safe to do so. I might even be willing to go work a regular job if I know I get to keep the part of the paycheck not deducted for income taxes and FICA.

After one million men and women scream for the enforcement of the Peonage Law and refuse to take “no” for an answer, I will bet that the attitudes of the women you meet will be adjusted in a manner to your liking.

Deep down in this misused old soul I pity the good woman. She is not evolved to fight for or support men but frankly we modern men need many who can and see the need. Men have traditionally had to prove themselves worthy of marriage. Men have had to jump through hoops to show that they can support women and be faithful contributors to the public as well as private good. Now, whatever they do, they are vilified and demeaned.

But the boot is slowly being put on the other foot and Cinderella is finding it a tight fit along with her ugly sisters. Women have to prove themselves worthy and reliable. Unfortunately, I see precious few doing it, publicly or privately. There is no going back. They have a sideways alternative of course which men don’t. The all embracing Government who will ‘take care of them’. At men’s expense, of course.

I pity the young men. Theirs is a dismal prospect, good advice or none.

Amfortas,

This is an excellent debate point and germane to the gist of my article.

You are right that I wouldn’t bet my life on anyone, but I feel a high degree of certainty that a non-bitch will NOT become a bitch. Just because she has a peaches-and-cream demeanor when you meet her does NOT mean that a bitch doesn’t lurk beneath her surface. And, forget the Mother Theresa girl — she is for sure a fake, and you should fear her.

In the third chapter — Who is She? — of The Man’s No-Nonsense Guide to Women, I devote a lot of attention to understanding how she was raised. If you can assess that, and compare it with the behavior she presents currently, you can predict her future behavior with a high degree of certainty. That is as good as it gets.

Find out, for example, if she has ever endured any adversity, has ever been truly tested. If she hasn’t — if her life has always been a cakewalk, with various people bailing her out along the way — you ought to run as far and fast as possible away from her. Her first challenge will make her crumble, and her incubated bitch side will emerge. I could go on and on.

By the way, she must use the same technique to assess you.

Ok Marc. Point taken and wise advice is always good for the inexperienced. But while bitches are always bitches, (some quite unexperienced themselves at first) my point is that non-bitches CAN and DO often become bitches, (you say – “they don’t suddenly or gradually become bitches”, but I will bet that you won’t bet your next life on that) particularly when they are encouraged to and there is great incentive /reward for them. Bitches learn like anyone else does. Bitches get better at it. She may well be Miss peaches and cream, possible future Mother Theresa material, but a change in the breeze and the smoke from the Estrogen Express smoke-stack suddenly gets in your eyes and lungs.

Spot the packaging early? The package may be fresh, new, improved, primary colours to the fore but the same junk-food contents are inside.

Amfortas,

Only a masochist deliberately marries a not-nice woman, as you put it. But, inexperienced men, who don’t fully grasp the Estrogen Express — and we’ve all been there — marry women they don’t RECOGNIZE as bitches. That’s the real issue.

Bitches are ALWAYS bitches; they don’t suddenly or gradually become bitches. I’m showing every guy how to recognize and avoid a bitch at the start — while her packaging is still fresh and his self-deception program is running at full tilt.

Excellent points, Marc.

Fourthwire says:”The pendulum WILL swing back, most likely later – after a few more generations…”. Problem is there is unlikely to be more than one next generation as the birth rate has already collapsed beyond the point of no return. Our western society will be over-run before women wake up. Then there will be REAL mysogynists in their beds.

Marc says: “Believe it or not, there are plenty of nice women who lament that the princesses have poisoned the well for ALL women. That’s why I wrote two books about how to find the nice ones.”

Good for book sales Marc, but these ‘nice’ women are the same ones we married who then changed their minds – a woman’s right!. I mean, which man would claim he deliberately married a not-nice woman? ! How does a ‘nice’ woman prove that they will remain nice? How do they prove trustworthy enough that we poor saps can believe them when they pledge their marriage vows? They can’t. And we can’t therefore trust any of them.

Let the Muslims have them all. Serve them both right.

Marc:

Oh yes I have got up and left on dates when she mentions her gay friends. That is precisely why I used the shows I talked about as an indication of how they have warped the reality for many women out there. You can see the black hole right away once she brings up her gay friend who goes shopping and to museums with her. When I hear that I just get up, excuse myself and leave with no explanation.

George,

If a woman talks about her gay friends on a date with you, go home. She won’t be banging you. And, if she does, she’ll be faking her orgasms.

This is precisely the topic of my forthcoming book, “Under the Clitoral Hood: How to Crank Her Engine Without Cash, Booze, or Jumper Cables.(TM)” You DON’T want to waste ANY time with women who will fake their orgasms.

Read about it at: http://themansnononsenseguidetowomen.com/PopUps/UTCHpreview.html

Fouthwire,

You understand my points precisely!