Johnny (Willy?) come lately to the party. I am generally persona non grata among the men that whine club because I disagree with Marc and his premise (he likes to call me “vaginated” or some such nonsense) becasue I believe that responsibility comes with the territory of choosing to have sex.

A man can only be trapped if he so chooses to be. Marc seems to believe that women are useful for his sexual exploits, but other than that they are out to destroy men. They do it for the money. He bridles at the fact that I pointed out that men can and are at least as prone to using women fouly as are men.

I enjoyed your comments and I never had to “crank and engine” to motivate a woman to love and yes, there are women who have had their “earth moving” sexual experiences who still leave their husbands, especially if he is a boorish lout more interested in himself than in her.

Women don’t scare me, the ummm, exite me.

Keep up the good work

Will (the vaginized man).
Well, I’ve not had any complaints

After reading them all (whew!)my hearts feels for all those that have been hurt unfairly by the law, and GOLDDIGGERS. Even though I joke around, I do know they exist in abundance…in both sexes.

It seems, since I have been out of the “dating” scene for so many years, the laws in many states have changed…here in Missouri we have “no fault” which means, someone always feels like they gets the shaft.

Somewhere, during the sixties, forces were at work with the “pill”, the “feminist revolution” and putting women into the workforce. This was a “leftist” movement..(blame the Dems if you like) and the breakdown of the family, the whole culture breaking down, and the rise of woman being “empowered” so to speak has made quite a mess. The guys were thrown into a politically correct pile of basic bull.

AND I do beleive it was planned and done on purpose to move us into “socialism/then the final state of this NEW WORLD ORDER. But that’s another blog.

As we all know, woman can be just as tyranical as men. Persoanlly, I’d take my chances with a man over a woman any day…but that’s just me.

I hope guys, that you don’t think that I for one minute do not think that fathers are JUST as important in a child’s life as a mother.

If I had my way, all fathers would be included in every aspect of the childraising.

Because the mom usually gets custody, she always has the control by the courts, and I’m sure most of the men on this site are decent and loving human beings, and great dads, therefore the passion on the subject.

I’d rather see that, then indifference.

Having said that, I have in my own life witnessed the “shoe” so to speak on the other foot, and seen many men not care at all. I have spend many a night with heartbroken women, who are not trying to “rip off” any man, they just want to be loved.

And as many single parent men out there,it’s a rough job raising children all by yourself, no matter how much money your getting.

oneShef said it very well…I was talking about hormones, and how they mess up both sexes, sometimes so badly we make the biggest mistakes.

Anyway, thanks so much guys for discussing your views with integrity and honesty.

I intend to read the book…and then I’ll give my book report.

I might have to go to Las Vegas again and interview some strippers first. (just kidding)

(That’s a good excuse.)

Anti-Peonage Law!

Great responses guys…temperance beats berating anytime!

Joyanna, I enjoy your take on things as much as most, if not more. Your unique take on things by virtue of being a woman show that both sexes can see the absurb and is a poignant reminder that gender does not dictate one learning to be observant. That said, I can’t tell if you’re baiting your readers(maybe a little, perhaps?!), a genious(living near the Mississippi can do that) or being honest with as much neutrality as you can muster?! Probably all three, right?!…hormones have been known to make women honest, you know!

Truth be told, hormones most likely have more to do with the nature of women wanting to be nurturers and men(yes, testosterone is a HORMONE guys!) needing to procreate a progeny. Both have at its core, the desire to be NEEDED and APPRECIATED! We can cloud the issue with what has been twisted in the law, with what unbridled selfishness has done to both sexes, but what really is at the core of MAN – the species – is gender specific, while at the same time being very much the same! We are all EMOTIONAL creations…some are just more so than others! Many men yell, alot of women cry….some guys cry while …Mmmmm, a smattering of women yell…more or less…

Your honesty and bewilderment speaks loudly of both sexes ignorance of basic traits common to men and women. We feel joy and pain..basic emotions to us all. Interestingly, we all have known of people who from our earliest remembrance seem to “GET IT” in regards to how the opposite sex has “needs” and the temperance to meet that need…unfortunately for me, I was not one of those “privileged” few. AND, I know many guys who didn’t…AND being a brother of two sisters, I’ve learned that there are just as many women who didn’t “GET IT” either! This just brings us back to this, “which came first, the chicken(guy/gal) or the egg(guy/gal)? I can’t seem to remember being taught the “right” answer…

So, J, I applaud you for taking the step of “trying” to “GET IT”! And it appears that a few others here tend to lean that way also sans one who will remain nameless. For the rest of femdom playing vaginopoly, it would certainly help the men out here if the rest of them put forth a fraction of the effort you have in facing the all true issue of manipulation and contempt for those attempting to live a life as real men, whatever that may mean…

I am pleased that you read my article, “How to Lure a Golddigger,” and devoted your time to discussing it. I will be more pleased when you get your copy of Under the Clitoral Hood: How to Crank Her Engine Without Cash, Booze, or Jumper Cables (TM). Every woman who has read it absolutely loves it.

You made some bewildering statements; I’ll address three:

1) Paul McCartney and Donald Trump are not insecure. Do you know them, personally? Insecurity presents itself in many forms, including the need to “purchase” a woman.

2) There was another statement that said, “Men have fewer rights than woman. Why? The Males gave them those rights.”

Whew! Where have I been!? Living in a married dream world … no connection to the reality of how badly the men are suffering. — Yes, Joyanna, you have been living in a dream world and are unaware of our anti-male divorce, reproduction, and domestic-violence laws.

3) “If You HAVE to Crank the Engine, Get Out Of The Car.”

Really, now? Coming from a woman, this thought is absurd. Either you don’t understand the car metaphor, or you’re not getting your engine cranked.

I look forward to hearing from you after you’ve read my unique, provocative, hilarious book.

Marc H. Rudov
http://www.UnderTheClitoralHood.com

After he LISTENSSSSSSS…….

Would not prostitution be even more prolific if men didnt want THEIR partners to want them?

Just kidding Joyanna, I never think about sex (hold on a second)…..ever!

I can’t be too hard on you Joyanna because I enjoy your take on absurdities.

So yes, men have no reason to get married, and women have no reason to stay married, except for the outdated concept of doing the right thing. Decent women and foolish men still do the right thing. But the government has worked hard for it to make no sense for men or women to do the right thing, to the point its widely accepted government policy that a lawyer needs a new Mercedes more than a child needs a father, as long as women have their choices in the process.

And yes, it only makes sense for men to try to hang on to a half decent woman by satisying her in bed, because she doesn’t need him around if all she wants is his money. She can get the money anytime – that’s what “family law” is all about. I just wish they would at least stop pretending they give a damn about the children.

Therefore having at least a KID to love her in her lifetime was better than nothing. Going down to the courthouse, and trying to find out where Daddy has moved this month is a wonderful way to spend a Saturday afternoon.

How come it is that a man who fathers a child who he abandons, and deprives of a father, is an unspeakable so-and-so, and a woman who deprives a child of a father has excuses made for her?

Just think about this for a while – We hear all the time about “fatherless” children, yet, when there is a man who wants to be a father, he gets opposed at every step by our system. “I don’t need a man” type of single motherhood is extolled, when it is no different than the man who leaves a woman pregnant and at the curb. BOTH of them reach the same place vis-a-vis their children.

You didn’t do it because ultimately you saw the moral issue involved. You were judgemental with yourself – and that is a good thing.

It’s time to encourage more of that in this society, and if some femherroid gets her widdle feewings hurt over it, well, it sux to be her.

Depriving a child of their right to a natural parent – when one is available, fit, and willing – is a supreme act of selfishness and villiany, no matter who does it.

But on certain subjects (such as those involving men, women, and relationships), we clearly disagree.

It’s refreshing to see your opinions, on a men’s news forum. For this Leykis fan, you are displaying many of the symptoms of American womanhood.

No offense, Joyanna, but it’s sometimes difficult to recognize the difference between your tongue in cheek humor and your actual degree of ignorance.

I took many of your words at face value. No offense intended in any case.

I love your writing on many subjects, but on the nature of single mothers, gold-diggers, and American women in general, your words deserve a fair share of scathing criticism, in my opinion.

From your blog: “Here is another remarkable observation made by Marc; “Woman have children out of wedlock to get child support.”

I wish he’d be more specific. This would ONLY work if the guy is making LOADS of money.

Here in the nobody land of the lower middle class, I find that most of the woman make just as much money, if not more then the men. We are talking of course about the lower middle classes who do not have college degrees. She would not need child support.”

Well, Joyanna….. being a basically sweet-natured woman, you apparently fail to understand that whether or not most women actually NEED men’s child support payments, they still enjoy MAKING MEN PAY – child support as well as vaginamony.

If you don’t believe me, start asking women who receive child support payments why they don’t stop taking that monthly check from their sperm donors.

Warning: you may receive some rather impolite words from those women at such a suggestion.

Get it through your skull, please: most American women have been conditioned to want to make men pay…… and that statement holds true on several different levels.

Back to your thoughts:
“So, I think it would help if we get this color/class thing going real quick for the different classes, so that the men, who make BIG money, can pick his sexual conquests from a class over his head. He needs rich girls, to solve his problem, not better clitoral techniques on poor girls who can’t support herself and her out-of wedlock kid.”

Not bad advice, except that the vast majority of Western women, liberated that they might claim to be, STILL insist on marrying and reproducing with men of HIGHER socioeconomic classes than their own.

And those “poor girls who can’t support herself and her out-of-wedlock kid” probably wouldn’t reproduce except for the fact that they are getting PAID to pop out babies, at the point of child support enforcements, garnishment of wages, etc.

Or in other words, enjoying their superior civil, social, and reproductive rights at the expense of men’s.

“In this day and age, with so many men scared to death of woman out for their money, women figure their odds of getting someone to actually marry them were about as likely as them getting invited to a ride on the space shuttle alone with Tom Cruise.”

Let women bear financial risks proportionate to men’s, equalize social, civil, and reproductive rights and then more men would likely be willing to marry women in America.

As matters stand, marriage in its current form currently provides ZERO benefits for men that are not also available to those men without marriage…… only risks.

And your next sentence highlights American women’s contribution to providing new generations of criminals, dropouts, delinquents, drug addicts, and social misfits to mug you, steal your purse, attempt to rape you, and generally make you want to holler for more law and order:

“Therefore having at least a KID to love her in her lifetime was better than nothing.”

BETTER FOR WHOM????? Those dolts who breed without providing their sons and daughters with fathers are behaving like the egocentric, self-centered women that they are.

Do you believe that it’s a coincidence that our prisons are bulging at the seams with men, many of them the offspring of single mothers?

Your next point deserves nothing but laughter:

“and like the Monarch butterfly that somehow finds their way from Canada to Mexico, woman WILL find a man to have sex with when her hormones are in full throttle.

She has NO idea what is driving her to this insanity.”

REALLY? So the endless drumbeat of those women’s magazines and cable TV programs catering to women about women’s reproductive urges, hormonal issues STILL haven’t managed to trigger any neural responses?….;-)

Hells bells,……. women’s reproductive urges and hormonal issues have only been around for a few million years…. but you’re STILL getting blindsided and confused by those urges?

“I sure do intend to read the book, because I can’t imagine that many men not knowing what makes woman tick.”

I hope that you do.

Indeed, many men do NOT necessarily understand what makes women tick because as a society we tend to lie or ignore some basic facts about women and their motivations, for various reasons including political correctness, outmoded chivalry, and even outright deception.

Many women work very hard to NOT show their true motivations and agendas to men at least for periods of time, as the matter of fact.

You certainly haven’t dated many women, have you?..;-)

Here’s where you come close to the truth…. but you still likely don’t “get it” about the current state of affairs for men, women, and relationships in America:
“By the end of the column, it seemed to be that men think as long as they are good at sex, a woman will never, ever leave them…on the contrary, the woman will adore them forever and ask nothing in return. The guy who is good at sex will not have to part with any money, but get to keep every dime for himself.”

Women may leave a guy who is “good at sex”, but if he’s truly good, then other women will take the places of those women who leave to pursue their careers, find the ever-dwindling pool of suckers (oops, I meant “men”) who are willing to marry them, and for other reasons.

And until they do leave, if they do, those women are generally better-behaved towards men than those poor fools who attempt to purchase their services through wining, dining, gifts, etc…… which was one of Marc’s points.

Here’s where you show a bit more of your ignorance about the current state of gender apartheid in America:
“Whew! Where have I been!? Living in a married dream world…no connection to the reality of how badly the men are suffering.”

If you haven’t learned yet about how men have become fourth-class citizens in their own nation, legally, civilly, and reproductively, then you clearly haven’t comprehended much in terms of other articles on MND, Joyanna.

Don’t believe me? Go sit in on a few Family Court sessions.

Or visit a few men imprisoned for not paying child support or vaginamony……

Or talk to even a few of those men who must beg for the “right” to visit their own children, while the monthly child support check is enforced by the power of the law…..

Or ask those men who must pay for children that their wives or sexual partners defrauded them with respect to paternity over…….

Here’s an understatement by you:
“Anyway, I loved reading about all the gold-diggers out to get men. I’m certain with Marc’s help men will have a guideline to use in order to get a good handle on the problem.”

Marc’s writings and Tom Leykis’ nationally syndicated radio broadcasts both address gold-diggers, and thankfully so.

Both men’s efforts certainly beat condoning gold-digging as a female sport!

Another point worth addressing:
“My experience as a woman are so far opposite of a man’s, I could ONLY look at it from my hormonal point of view, which thanks to mother nature is about as far removed from a man’s that the answers to what makes a man fall for a gold-digger and spend all his money is just about as silly to me as contemplating why woman are suckers for flowers and the movie, “Sleepless In Seattle.””

Your hormonal point of view obviously doesn’t include much understanding for the significance of men’s sexual drives in their overall behavior, I suspect.

Possibly the most amusingly blatant bit of ignorance that you posted tonight:
“You don’t have to even go near the clitoris to make a girl love you and go out with you, and be faithful to you…all you need is love, and “normal” hormones—at least, if you are looking for a sensible life-time partner.”

Joyanna, it makes ZERO sense to find a “sensible life-time partner” who will not rock your world in bed.

And to accomplish that much, a guy had damned well better go near the clitoris.

Doing so may not make a girl love a guy, but it will certainly make her WANT to love that guy (not to mention continue fvcking his brains out!)….. which, until you actually understand just how important sex is to men, will continue to be lost to you.

Keep writing, Joyanna…….. And read Marc’s book!