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Dr Paul Irwing: ‘There are twice as many men as women with an IQ of 120-plus’

2006-11-30
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“I don’t know why this is, all I can say is that we have a huge amount of data.”

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  • christianj

    “luna said,

    “The actual dilemma being debated here is not that of female intelligence.

    It is the utter absence of female character and integrity.

    Both smart and stupid women lack both —””

    SO ?

  • christianj

    “luna said,

    “The actual dilemma being debated here is not that of female intelligence.

    It is the utter absence of female character and integrity.

    Both smart and stupid women lack both —””

    SO ?

  • mruffolo

    I recall Lawrence Summers, former President of Harvard University, was fired from his job, after repeated apologies, for suggesting at an NBER Conference on Diversifying the Science & Engineering Workforce that many factors outside of socialization could explain why there were more men than women in high-end science and engineering positions.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38375-2005Mar15.html

  • mruffolo

    I recall Lawrence Summers, former President of Harvard University, was fired from his job, after repeated apologies, for suggesting at an NBER Conference on Diversifying the Science & Engineering Workforce that many factors outside of socialization could explain why there were more men than women in high-end science and engineering positions.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38375-2005Mar15.html

  • tonysprout

    Hot Off The Press! In response to Irwing’s findings, NOW is sponsoring legislation to require lobotomys for one-third of all males with an IQ over 120 to close the IQ gap between men and women. “Vee must haff eequalitee! Seig Heil das Mutterland!”

  • tonysprout

    Hot Off The Press! In response to Irwing’s findings, NOW is sponsoring legislation to require lobotomys for one-third of all males with an IQ over 120 to close the IQ gap between men and women. “Vee must haff eequalitee! Seig Heil das Mutterland!”

  • mruffolo

    Every cause divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. And if man casts out man, he is divided against himself.

  • mruffolo

    Every cause divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. And if man casts out man, he is divided against himself.

  • MacMax9

    So much is being discussed here: Let see if I have essentials here.
    1.There is a body of good evidence that men have higher IQ’s than women.
    2. This is nothing really new, but half the population doesn’t like this data point, yet cannot empirically support an alternative.
    3. In the last 50 years or so, (probably since the first hook up) men have/are being positioned in negative and degenerating social constraints that diminish or destroy the best of what make us men.
    4.Our attackers have been a segment of women who essentially hate men and seek to control every facet of a man’s nature because they believe they have a high moral standard and a higher degree of integrity and self-control.
    5. That men can not organize or recognize themselves as a brotherhood without eventually turning on themselves.

    Is this about it or am I way off here.

  • MacMax9

    So much is being discussed here: Let see if I have essentials here.
    1.There is a body of good evidence that men have higher IQ’s than women.
    2. This is nothing really new, but half the population doesn’t like this data point, yet cannot empirically support an alternative.
    3. In the last 50 years or so, (probably since the first hook up) men have/are being positioned in negative and degenerating social constraints that diminish or destroy the best of what make us men.
    4.Our attackers have been a segment of women who essentially hate men and seek to control every facet of a man’s nature because they believe they have a high moral standard and a higher degree of integrity and self-control.
    5. That men can not organize or recognize themselves as a brotherhood without eventually turning on themselves.

    Is this about it or am I way off here.

  • luna

    “The actual dilemma being debated here is not that of female intelligence.

    It is the utter absence of female character and integrity.

    Both smart and stupid women lack both —”

    Well, that’s where men supposed to take up the slack. Oh yeah, they gave up moral authority and handed it over feminists years ago.

    “You’re are man. In a feminist world or not, men ought to stick together, to show honor to the same.”

    Men shouldn’t stick together.

    It’s unnatural and against the Holy Order Of Things. Take a look at what happened when men stuck together in more patriarchal times. Let’s see, we have Cain and Able, Jacob and Esau, Abram and Lot, Joseph and his brothers, and on and on. When men stick together, one is bound to kill the other. If they couldn’t hash it in the partiarchy, they sure can’t hash it now.

    It’s the same with wild animals. When a male takes over a pack or a herd, isn’t his first action as alpha male to kill all the other male offspring?

    Please don’t start sticking together.

  • luna

    “The actual dilemma being debated here is not that of female intelligence.

    It is the utter absence of female character and integrity.

    Both smart and stupid women lack both —”

    Well, that’s where men supposed to take up the slack. Oh yeah, they gave up moral authority and handed it over feminists years ago.

    “You’re are man. In a feminist world or not, men ought to stick together, to show honor to the same.”

    Men shouldn’t stick together.

    It’s unnatural and against the Holy Order Of Things. Take a look at what happened when men stuck together in more patriarchal times. Let’s see, we have Cain and Able, Jacob and Esau, Abram and Lot, Joseph and his brothers, and on and on. When men stick together, one is bound to kill the other. If they couldn’t hash it in the partiarchy, they sure can’t hash it now.

    It’s the same with wild animals. When a male takes over a pack or a herd, isn’t his first action as alpha male to kill all the other male offspring?

    Please don’t start sticking together.

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Here we have misogyny in its most blatant form. All you guys just make the man-haters feel justified, and the non-dogmatic neutral observer to feel like the feminists were right all along. You give the men’s movement a bad name.

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Here we have misogyny in its most blatant form. All you guys just make the man-haters feel justified, and the non-dogmatic neutral observer to feel like the feminists were right all along. You give the men’s movement a bad name.

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • DadWithGirls

    Man, I’m just becoming a digital xerox machine for a dead white male philosopher who spoke truthfully.

    But, his work must be done.

    The actual dilemma being debated here is not that of female intelligence.

    It is the utter absence of female character and integrity.

    Both smart and stupid women lack both —

    (Dead white male transcript follows —):

    “The fundamental defect of the female character is a lack of a sense of justice.

    This originates first and foremost in their want of rationality and capacity for reflexion but it is strengthened by the fact that, as the weaker sex, they are driven to rely not on force but on cunning:

    hence their instinctive subtlety and their ineradicable tendency to tell lies: for, as nature has equipped the lion with claws and teeth, the elephant with tusks, the wild boar with fangs, the bull with horns and the cuttlefish with ink, so it has equipped woman with the power of dissimulation as her means of attack and defence, and has transformed into this gift all the strength it has bestowed on man in the form of physical strength and the power of reasoning.

    Dissimulation is thus inborn in her and consequently to be found in the stupid woman almost as often as in the clever one.

    To make use of it at every opportunity is as natural to her as it is for an animal to employ its means of defence whenever it is attacked, and when she does so she feels that to some extent she is only exercising her rights.

    A completely truthful woman who does not practice dissimulation is perhaps an impossibility, which is why women see through the dissimulation of others so easily it is inadvisable to attempt it with them. –

    But this fundamental defect which I have said they possess, together with all that is associated with it, gives rise to falsity, unfaithfulness, treachery, ingratitude, etc. Women are guilty of perjury far more often than men. It is questionable whether they ought to be allowed to take an oath at all.”

    Read about the tragic gender con game at —

    http://www.heretical.com/miscella/onwomen.html

  • DadWithGirls

    Man, I’m just becoming a digital xerox machine for a dead white male philosopher who spoke truthfully.

    But, his work must be done.

    The actual dilemma being debated here is not that of female intelligence.

    It is the utter absence of female character and integrity.

    Both smart and stupid women lack both —

    (Dead white male transcript follows —):

    “The fundamental defect of the female character is a lack of a sense of justice.

    This originates first and foremost in their want of rationality and capacity for reflexion but it is strengthened by the fact that, as the weaker sex, they are driven to rely not on force but on cunning:

    hence their instinctive subtlety and their ineradicable tendency to tell lies: for, as nature has equipped the lion with claws and teeth, the elephant with tusks, the wild boar with fangs, the bull with horns and the cuttlefish with ink, so it has equipped woman with the power of dissimulation as her means of attack and defence, and has transformed into this gift all the strength it has bestowed on man in the form of physical strength and the power of reasoning.

    Dissimulation is thus inborn in her and consequently to be found in the stupid woman almost as often as in the clever one.

    To make use of it at every opportunity is as natural to her as it is for an animal to employ its means of defence whenever it is attacked, and when she does so she feels that to some extent she is only exercising her rights.

    A completely truthful woman who does not practice dissimulation is perhaps an impossibility, which is why women see through the dissimulation of others so easily it is inadvisable to attempt it with them. –

    But this fundamental defect which I have said they possess, together with all that is associated with it, gives rise to falsity, unfaithfulness, treachery, ingratitude, etc. Women are guilty of perjury far more often than men. It is questionable whether they ought to be allowed to take an oath at all.”

    Read about the tragic gender con game at —

    http://www.heretical.com/miscella/onwomen.html

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    The real story about Adam and Eve had God offering to make a woman for Adam – a Mark 2 human being, new and improved – a woman who was perfect in every way. She could be made if Adam gave up an arm and a leg. Adam was horrified and asked what could be done with a spare rib. “You get what you pay for Adam”, said God. “Pay up now or pay with interest later”. Well we know what Adam chose.

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    The real story about Adam and Eve had God offering to make a woman for Adam – a Mark 2 human being, new and improved – a woman who was perfect in every way. She could be made if Adam gave up an arm and a leg. Adam was horrified and asked what could be done with a spare rib. “You get what you pay for Adam”, said God. “Pay up now or pay with interest later”. Well we know what Adam chose.

  • mruffolo

    “Why did you make her kind of dumb!” And God replied “So that she would love you!”.

    I’m sensitive to the spread the feminist message – man bad, woman good. I took offense to your above joke.

    You’re are man. In a feminist world or not, men ought to stick together, to show honor to the same.

    You are right about men demonstrating humility, to cling to one’s wife.

  • mruffolo

    “Why did you make her kind of dumb!” And God replied “So that she would love you!”.

    I’m sensitive to the spread the feminist message – man bad, woman good. I took offense to your above joke.

    You’re are man. In a feminist world or not, men ought to stick together, to show honor to the same.

    You are right about men demonstrating humility, to cling to one’s wife.

  • MacMax9

    wow, touchy are we! Been there buddy

    I’ve been there! Twice! I’ve paid the child support and got custody! We men are standing by our kids. And men are getting custody too! Its happening more often. What would you expect from half of those 80% of women
    motivated by selfish interest. Integrity, loyalty
    to their children? Pay the money; get the time with them, and do your best.

    Your data is accurate your attitude will kill your
    source of strength and hope.

  • MacMax9

    wow, touchy are we! Been there buddy

    I’ve been there! Twice! I’ve paid the child support and got custody! We men are standing by our kids. And men are getting custody too! Its happening more often. What would you expect from half of those 80% of women
    motivated by selfish interest. Integrity, loyalty
    to their children? Pay the money; get the time with them, and do your best.

    Your data is accurate your attitude will kill your
    source of strength and hope.

  • mruffolo

    MacMax9,

    Try to remember your advice when you find yourself or a close male friend in divorce court, just after a fifteen minute discussion before a family judge with her lies that help remove your kid(s), home, 18 years of your income away from you for little or no reason.

    I would not mention it but this happens to about 1.2 million men per year from divorce. About 80% of divorces are initiated from a woman. The figure is higher when kids and your money are involved.

    Who’s the more dull of the two sexes?

  • mruffolo

    MacMax9,

    Try to remember your advice when you find yourself or a close male friend in divorce court, just after a fifteen minute discussion before a family judge with her lies that help remove your kid(s), home, 18 years of your income away from you for little or no reason.

    I would not mention it but this happens to about 1.2 million men per year from divorce. About 80% of divorces are initiated from a woman. The figure is higher when kids and your money are involved.

    Who’s the more dull of the two sexes?

  • MacMax9

    It reminds me of a Adam and Eve joke I once heard.
    Adam upon waking and seeing Eve for the first time,let out a sigh and a “wow”! After some time had passed Adam was thanking God for Eve coming into his life, and He some questions: He asked; “Lord why did you make her so beautiful. God says; “So that you would love her!”. Adam then asked, “Why did you make her kind of dumb!” And God replied
    “So that she would love you!”.
    I am sure you have heard variants of this joke.

    Be humble gentlemen, and keep on loving women. And just as importantly, keep fixing stuff for them. (work while they talk)

  • MacMax9

    It reminds me of a Adam and Eve joke I once heard.
    Adam upon waking and seeing Eve for the first time,let out a sigh and a “wow”! After some time had passed Adam was thanking God for Eve coming into his life, and He some questions: He asked; “Lord why did you make her so beautiful. God says; “So that you would love her!”. Adam then asked, “Why did you make her kind of dumb!” And God replied
    “So that she would love you!”.
    I am sure you have heard variants of this joke.

    Be humble gentlemen, and keep on loving women. And just as importantly, keep fixing stuff for them. (work while they talk)

  • conservativation

    It is a simple matter that was explained in the article that stated women say 20,000 words per day and men 7000. In groups which of these two accomplish more? Maybe there is a new achievement measure of achievement per word spoken. But we are chastized and called apes for not being more emotional and blathering on rather then doing.

  • conservativation

    It is a simple matter that was explained in the article that stated women say 20,000 words per day and men 7000. In groups which of these two accomplish more? Maybe there is a new achievement measure of achievement per word spoken. But we are chastized and called apes for not being more emotional and blathering on rather then doing.

  • NationalVoice

    Men smarter than women? Surprise, surprise, surprise….we already knew that, but tain’t smart to say so, so we don’t.

    I will give women the edge in some mental activities, things like being devious or lying, but I didn’t say that either, right guys?

  • NationalVoice

    Men smarter than women? Surprise, surprise, surprise….we already knew that, but tain’t smart to say so, so we don’t.

    I will give women the edge in some mental activities, things like being devious or lying, but I didn’t say that either, right guys?

  • macklin

    This reminds me of a story that was in the news a while ago. Another male academic had discovered through his research that boys are, on average, 5.5 IQ points more intelligent than girls. The guy acted like he was ashamed of his own findings! Ha! Last time I was in a team meeting at work (I’m a multimedia software developer), all twelve people present were men. Kinda makes ya think…

  • macklin

    This reminds me of a story that was in the news a while ago. Another male academic had discovered through his research that boys are, on average, 5.5 IQ points more intelligent than girls. The guy acted like he was ashamed of his own findings! Ha! Last time I was in a team meeting at work (I’m a multimedia software developer), all twelve people present were men. Kinda makes ya think…

  • BobH

    Originally, standardized IQ tests showed the same thing. Then the tests were changed to reflect the belief, obvious to the most casual observer, that, there couldn’t possibly be any difference in male and female IQ. (The sarcasm is dripping all over my keyboard.)

    One male-female difference that is very robust is that male variance (i.e., standard deviation) is higher than women’s. This means that there would be more male geniuses but also that there would be more male morons.

  • BobH

    Originally, standardized IQ tests showed the same thing. Then the tests were changed to reflect the belief, obvious to the most casual observer, that, there couldn’t possibly be any difference in male and female IQ. (The sarcasm is dripping all over my keyboard.)

    One male-female difference that is very robust is that male variance (i.e., standard deviation) is higher than women’s. This means that there would be more male geniuses but also that there would be more male morons.

  • conservativation

    I’m sure glad I’m around to hold the man’s average down, or women would be really pissed…I think.
    Aren’t statistics the nervous tremors of communists?

  • conservativation

    I’m sure glad I’m around to hold the man’s average down, or women would be really pissed…I think.
    Aren’t statistics the nervous tremors of communists?

  • mruffolo

    You’re right on John.

    More misandry from feminized culture even with raw data and scientific reasoning.

    Though there is a good chance that if the researcher concluded truthfully about the evidence before him, he may be out of work.

    It’s doubtful that America will have an academic advantage in the world, with respect to useful social or scientific discovery based upon evidence, when researchers fear feminist rage.

  • mruffolo

    You’re right on John.

    More misandry from feminized culture even with raw data and scientific reasoning.

    Though there is a good chance that if the researcher concluded truthfully about the evidence before him, he may be out of work.

    It’s doubtful that America will have an academic advantage in the world, with respect to useful social or scientific discovery based upon evidence, when researchers fear feminist rage.

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    LOL

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    LOL

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    The poor man is so shocked by the objective findings that he will just have to go out and buy himself a new summer frock.

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    The poor man is so shocked by the objective findings that he will just have to go out and buy himself a new summer frock.

  • Scott66

    Right you are John but it will not do him any good. A feminist cannot take any criticism at all. If he said women were better in 99% of ways the feminist would call him a pig and argue the last 1%.

  • Scott66

    Right you are John but it will not do him any good. A feminist cannot take any criticism at all. If he said women were better in 99% of ways the feminist would call him a pig and argue the last 1%.

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Did you read the article? In order to refute his feminist critics, the researcher wrote the following:

    There has to be some female compensating factor, most importantly the ability to process speech sounds, which means women read faster and more accurately and have an advantage in basic writing tasks. And women work harder than men and are more conscientious so they do things technic-ally correctly. Men are often quite original but deficient in what is technically demanded.


    Come on, now? The guy says he believes in equality, then follows it up with a little misandry just to please his opponents?

    Despite the academic data facing even the researcher, he still feels the need to apologize. Misandry and anti-male sexism lives on.

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

  • http://www.dontmakehermad.com/ John Dias

    Did you read the article? In order to refute his feminist critics, the researcher wrote the following:

    There has to be some female compensating factor, most importantly the ability to process speech sounds, which means women read faster and more accurately and have an advantage in basic writing tasks. And women work harder than men and are more conscientious so they do things technic-ally correctly. Men are often quite original but deficient in what is technically demanded.


    Come on, now? The guy says he believes in equality, then follows it up with a little misandry just to please his opponents?

    Despite the academic data facing even the researcher, he still feels the need to apologize. Misandry and anti-male sexism lives on.

    John Dias
    Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com







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