Comments on: Rep.-Elect Keith Ellison To Use Koran For His Swearing-In Ceremony http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:10:49 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: tonysprout http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-23862 tonysprout Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:47:08 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/#comment-23862 Robert Paul Reyes said: "...we are secular democracy. " (on my soapbox:) DISAGREE STRONGLY! America is a Constitutional Republic. " I pledge allegiance to the... REPUBLIC...." not democracy. I am so tired of hearing that. The so called democratic powers of this country are permitted ONLY after the Constitution is examined. The phrase "seperation of church and state" DOES NOT appear anywhere in the Constitution. "CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." The framers knew the difference between Congress and everyone else. If they meant for it to apply to all government, they would have said so. This prohibition applies ONLY to Congress. No, I'm not a religious zealot; I'm a Constitutionalistic zealot. The Constitution is a contract between You The People, (aka gov't) and me the Individual. Americans need to wise up and read the Constitution. Read it and comprehend it as if it were a contract; It IS! Don't like what it says? Use the Amendment Process; propose a change and get it RATIFIED! (getting off of soapbox) Robert Paul Reyes said: “…we are secular democracy. ”

(on my soapbox:)
DISAGREE STRONGLY! America is a Constitutional Republic. ” I pledge allegiance to the… REPUBLIC….” not democracy. I am so tired of hearing that. The so called democratic powers of this country are permitted ONLY after the Constitution is examined. The phrase “seperation of church and state” DOES NOT appear anywhere in the Constitution. “CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” The framers knew the difference between Congress and everyone else. If they meant for it to apply to all government, they would have said so. This prohibition applies ONLY to Congress. No, I’m not a religious zealot; I’m a Constitutionalistic zealot. The Constitution is a contract between You The People, (aka gov’t) and me the Individual. Americans need to wise up and read the Constitution. Read it and comprehend it as if it were a contract; It IS! Don’t like what it says? Use the Amendment Process; propose a change and get it RATIFIED!

(getting off of soapbox)

]]> By: Robert Paul Reyes http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-23857 Robert Paul Reyes Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:18:18 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/#comment-23857 NationalVoice said, "What about that seperation of church and state thing? How is it that the bible or any religions text appears in any swearing in ceremony..? Just stirring….." Amen, brother! I would be very happy if all books were banned from these unofficial swearing-in ceremonies. We are not a Christian nation, or a Muslim nation, we are secular democracy. NationalVoice said,

“What about that seperation of church and state thing? How is it that the bible or any religions text appears in any swearing in ceremony..?

Just stirring…..”

Amen, brother! I would be very happy if all books were banned from these unofficial swearing-in ceremonies. We are not a Christian nation, or a Muslim nation, we are secular democracy.

]]> By: Robert Paul Reyes http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-23856 Robert Paul Reyes Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:15:41 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/#comment-23856 gb53 wrote: "Reyes’ opinion deserves to be buried by a fussilade of over-ripe tomatoes and rotten eggs." As you can see from comments 3 and 4 not everyone shares your opinion. gb53 wrote:

“Reyes’ opinion deserves to be buried by a fussilade of over-ripe tomatoes and rotten eggs.”

As you can see from comments 3 and 4 not everyone shares your opinion.

]]> By: gb53 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-23828 gb53 Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:13:32 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/#comment-23828 I heard the furor, so today I read Prager's column and then went looking for the news item that prompted it. I haven't found it yet, but I did find this site which cannot be passed un-noted. While I disagreed with Prager's argument, I at least found a rational argument (with a flawed premise). Here Reyes offers nothing rational - just some rather juvenile rantings and the suggestion that it would make sense for someone to use "The Joy of Sex" as a token of sincerity and faithfulness to the oath that is being administered. While there are no laws about this (and Prager agrees with me that there should *not* be any such laws), there is room for public ridicule and denouncement of inappropriate ideas. I have not yet found a clear statement from Rep-elect Ellison, but Reyes' opinion deserves to be buried by a fussilade of over-ripe tomatoes and rotten eggs. I heard the furor, so today I read Prager’s column and then went looking for the news item that prompted it. I haven’t found it yet, but I did find this site which cannot be passed un-noted.

While I disagreed with Prager’s argument, I at least found a rational argument (with a flawed premise). Here Reyes offers nothing rational – just some rather juvenile rantings and the suggestion that it would make sense for someone to use “The Joy of Sex” as a token of sincerity and faithfulness to the oath that is being administered.

While there are no laws about this (and Prager agrees with me that there should *not* be any such laws), there is room for public ridicule and denouncement of inappropriate ideas. I have not yet found a clear statement from Rep-elect Ellison, but Reyes’ opinion deserves to be buried by a fussilade of over-ripe tomatoes and rotten eggs.

]]> By: NationalVoice http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-23788 NationalVoice Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:11:03 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/#comment-23788 Hey - hey - hey What about that seperation of church and state thing? How is it that the bible or any religions text appears in any swearing in ceremony..? Just stirring..... Hey – hey – hey

What about that seperation of church and state thing? How is it that the bible or any religions text appears in any swearing in ceremony..?

Just stirring…..

]]> By: Hal http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-23736 Hal Mon, 04 Dec 2006 00:44:04 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/#comment-23736 <i>As a freethinker, if I ever hold public office, I will choose to be sworn in using Darwin’s “Origin of the Species.”</i> You're willing to take an oath that means nothing at all. Would an oath sworn on a rock mean anything?. Mighty "freethinking" (and manly) of you. As a freethinker, if I ever hold public office, I will choose to be sworn in using Darwin’s “Origin of the Species.”

You’re willing to take an oath that means nothing at all. Would an oath sworn on a rock mean anything?. Mighty “freethinking” (and manly) of you.

]]> By: Koran Replaces the Bible at Swearing-in Oath - Page 2 - Volconvo Debate Forums http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-23719 Koran Replaces the Bible at Swearing-in Oath - Page 2 - Volconvo Debate Forums Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:16:38 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/#comment-23719 [...] Iggoring xyzer's press bashing foolishness and Wildmon's bigotry, here is a far saner perspective on the topic. From MensNewsDaily Quote: [...] [...] Iggoring xyzer’s press bashing foolishness and Wildmon’s bigotry, here is a far saner perspective on the topic. From MensNewsDaily Quote: [...]

]]> By: KEITH ELLISON & THE KORAN « God, Country & Apple Pie http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-23660 KEITH ELLISON & THE KORAN « God, Country & Apple Pie Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:04:21 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/#comment-23660 [...] You guys are all probably well aware of the news that the first Muslim elected to congress, Keith Ellison (D-MN), “has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the Koran.” And that it has raised some ire among my Christian brethren. For instance, at Townhall.com, Dennis Prager has written that: [...] [...] You guys are all probably well aware of the news that the first Muslim elected to congress, Keith Ellison (D-MN), “has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the Koran.” And that it has raised some ire among my Christian brethren. For instance, at Townhall.com, Dennis Prager has written that: [...]

]]> By: BRIAN http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-23647 BRIAN Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:56:08 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/#comment-23647 So long as he swears by what ever he deams binding and does support and defend the Constitution as the oath demands. I have my doubts about him doing that though he is a Neo-Socialist Democrat after all. So long as he swears by what ever he deams binding and does support and defend the Constitution as the oath demands. I have my doubts about him doing that though he is a Neo-Socialist Democrat after all.

]]> By: CaptDMO http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-23591 CaptDMO Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:49:56 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/01/rep-elect-keith-ellison-to-use-koran-for-his-swearing-in-ceremony/#comment-23591 "This is America for God’s sake, or Allah’s sake, or the Big Bang’s sake! And a politician should be allowed to use any book..." Or none! One would think that an elected official might consider their constituancy. I believe "Politics for Idiots" may be suitable in this ceremony. “This is America for God’s sake, or Allah’s sake, or the Big Bang’s sake! And a politician should be allowed to use any book…”

Or none!
One would think that an elected official might consider their constituancy. I believe “Politics for Idiots” may be suitable in this ceremony.

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