You always do that. Once before you accused me of being a redneck who wanted to lynch blacks. Then when I told you I AM black, you said I wasn’t one of the “good” blacks, like Malcolm X. Then later you said the Nation of Islam wasn’t made of real Muslims, even though that’s the group that Malcolm X was a part of. If you could keep track of the lies you told before, your arguments might tend to hold water.

That is a pure expression of racism.

DWG you’re a headcase. What race is a Muslim? You are a typical liberal, who sees race in everything. Funny, we used to call that a bigot.

Can you imagine what you would do if an alien force invaded your town and declared that your relatives had to be killed in order to “plant democracy?”

Whose relatives did we order killed? The Syrians or the Iranians? Or just the usual al qaeda guys? And so what? Your cousin is a murderer, deal with the emotions, LIKE A MAN! Not like the emasculated wimp you sound like.

Maybe I should move to America and start shooting people on the pretext that I am protecting the real inhabitant people from the white men who invaded the Indians. Get a grip of your knickers, man.

You want a definition of suicide bomber: how about a pesron who so hates life that he/she is prepared to kill innocents by blowing him/herself up in public places on the false promise of virgins in an afterlife. God alone knows what Allah thinks of that. I think it is mentally unhealthy. Just an opinion – although I am professionally qualified to make it.

As for the ‘racism’ comment, paint me as black as you like (’scuse the pun). Don’t put faux-guilt trips on me, they just run off my back. Anyway, I cannot be racist, by definition. I was born an Englishman! All others are wogs and I make no distinction between them. I do not need to imagine sci-fi fantasies thanks. Racism looks a lot different to that, Sunshine.

The redemption issue: I am not in the redemption business. Surgeons do not try to ‘redeem’ cancerous tissue, they cut it out.

I’m going to write another dismissive comment.

I like history. And its ironies. And its truthfulness.

What is the difference between an American revolutionary soldier who shot British Redcoats in 1776 from behind a tree while the imperial Brit army marched in their bright redcoat imposing immaculate straight lines….

and an Iraqui Sunni or Shia suicide bomber today?

The occupiers seeking to conquer the American colonies were shot down. It was a necessary slaughter. Our great-great-great grandfathers celebrated many INSURGENT victories.

Can you imagine what you would do if an alien force invaded your town and declared that your relatives had to be killed in order to “plant democracy?”

Welcome to Iraq’s “liberation.”

It is time to raise the bar on the logic employed hereabouts.

If we wish to explore the psychology of suicide bombers….

“The Muslim culture isn’t thousands of years old. It was born a mishapen child and has contributed little but pain to all around since its conception. It is genetically inferior.”

That is a pure expression of racism.

And an even more tragic expression of ignorance.

How does one seek to redeem a brother with this sickness of the mind?

hahahahahaha. So how do you define suicide bombers? Mentally healthy? Depression is the leading precourser to suicide. But, you have to laugh, don’t you.

Yamin

Nope I did not say it was ok to pass a specific type of law, I did not point that a specific type of law. All I said government implements their respective laws and punish those who break it. If a government passes such an arbitary law where it can allow them to kill anyone as they chose that sounds to me like a version of a secular system, man as legislator.

Such laws could not be passed under Islam as I pointed out in my earlier post.

Observation of the reality is on thing, i.e looking at this process, as opposed to what is right and wrong is another, where you pace valued judgement.

Obviously Squiggy this is challenging for you and Tourbouk – and I dont mean this with sarcasm.

Yamin

As for consensus – I did not say there doesn’t have to be any consensus, I said the reality is you never get 100% consensus.

Then in your confusion you jumped to war crimes etc which is related to foreign policy, between nations and has nothing to do with implementation of laws INTERNALLY.

Yamin

I will remember this thread when Yamin will be back whinning about the politics of Israel towards the palestinians.

Thanks for the treat Squiggy, you made my day!

Then Yamin said: Squiggy – your argument is dwindling into clear non-sense.

When any regime is in place it enacts laws and those who break it are punished.

Excellent. So we will just pass a law that says that anytime a Muslim tries to come into our country, we can kill him on the spot. Just make Islam illegal. There doesn’t have to be consensus, as YOU say?

Plus, you can’t make any more arguments on these pages without having this drunken statement of yours quoted.

When any regime is in place it enacts laws and those who break it are punished. This is how the masses rule over themselves. The US is no different in this respect. Secondly when the laws are enacted and applied is there consensus by everyone ? Is there?

I did tell you before you need to think before put pen to paper and construe your argument.

Yamin

The article stated “Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days.”

What part of “pray five times a day or you will be publicly murdered” is “Muslims deciding to rule over themselves”? You are insane.

You say: “No you don’t. You know exactly what the point is. When Muslims take over a country, the “fundamentalists” grab control and force everyone to do things their way (or death). The only Muslim countries that don’t force Sharia onto people are the ones run by secular dictators.”

If the Muslims decide to rule over themselves by the Sharia and impose those laws and values then it is their business and their right, even according to your so-called values of democracy!

Ever society enforces some kind of law and order and values and not everyone will concur.

Of course enforcing US made values inside and outside the US is ok, but if it is Islamic then it is unacceptable even if it is within the muslim countries. Why, because you say so? That is the essence of your ‘logic’!!!

When you make such types of response, it only strengthens my argument.

Yamin

No you don’t. You know exactly what the point is. When Muslims take over a country, the “fundamentalists” grab control and force everyone to do things their way (or death). The only Muslim countries that don’t force Sharia onto people are the ones run by secular dictators.

I would concerned if the Somalis invaded the US, raped their women, killed women and children for fun by taking pot shots on the road (as shown by the videos), stole their wealth, raped young girls and burn their body, sodomise young boys in front of their parents, then initiate civil war by promoting one group against the other, or by using counter insurgency activity. Then call the entire thing ‘liberation’, ‘freedom’ etc.

You find a couple of instances of something and extrapolate to the entire American Army. So I should assume you behead people (I have more examples than you do, and these videos were made by the murderers, not good people trying to get bad actions stopped).

And as for “calling the thing ‘liberation’, ‘freedom’ etc.” that’s exactly what it would be if people with other agendas (like you?) didn’t foment trouble. In fifteen of the eighteen Iraqi provinces the people are safe and happy, and love the American soldiers. In the other three, they are being murdered daily by “Islamic extremists” (something you always ignore, or blame the U.S. for, which is imbecilic). And yet way more than half of them still love America. Go figure.

You are one voice (of reason, sort of), and the “extremists” are many thousands of voices. Which voice(s) should we believe? Only someone who is suicidal should listen to you.

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?p=11692&posted=1#post11692

Yamin

http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_YaminZakaria.pdf

A 74 page response to my article – someone must have felt very storng about it.

Note the attack is very personal – rants all over the place and in places it looks racist. He calls my writing insignificant but yet he makes a 74 page response to it!!!

I have porven the retarded “neo-con Salafi”  ‘logic’

 

Yamin

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