Comments on: Does the National Fatherhood Initiative “Get It Right on Fatherhood”? http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:23:52 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Thomas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-48411 Thomas Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:42:54 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-48411 Stephen - thanks for doing so much in the name of our cause. It is greatly appreciated. Stephen – thanks for doing so much in the name of our cause. It is greatly appreciated.

]]> By: kenrosebriar http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-48409 kenrosebriar Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:38:47 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-48409 I know this is an old article, but I wanted to throw in this comment anyway - just in case anybody else is like me a decides to read through these old posts... wheresmy40: Let me ask you somewhat of a rhetorical question... Assuming that the state you live in has laws mandating the use of seatbelts in motor-vehicles, or mandating the use of a helmet while operating a motorcycle - do you know why/how those laws came to exist today? Quick answer: Federal funding. When the feds provide funding for things and tie that funding to certain requirements - the states do whatever it takes to meet those requirements. So it goes with seatbelt and motorcycle-helmet laws... Feds provide funding for roads to states who have these laws on their books - so states do whatever it takes to enact and enforce these laws. While states like Florida and Ohio have told the feds to shove their funding -- and have figured out how to fund the operation of their infrastructure sans federal assistance -- all the other states rely on it like a baby relies on milk. The same goes for child support enforcement funding... The feds pay the states BILLIONS of $$$ to enforce state-court orders for child support through Title IV-D of the Social Security Act (42 USC 651 et seq). So this begs yet another somewhat rhetorical question: When/where can the state create an order for child support so they can enforce it and get paid with federal IV-D dollars? Quick answer: During a custody dispute in any state's family court... Ya see, you got it all wrong... Each state's family courts and family laws are not the real problem. They were merely created to satisfy the requirements necessary to receive federal child support enforcement funding. Blaming the family courts or the states' laws is like shooting the messenger. It's not the state's fault that legislators passed a law requiring you to wear a seatbelt - they only did it to get the associated federal funding. And it's certainly not the state's fault that they get paid by the feds to destroy families in crisis. Heck, people get paid to mass-produce things all of the time... That's how you got the clothes you wear and the food you eat. And right now, the state is getting paid to destroy the next family that comes into one of their "family" courts for help. If you want to stop how the states are destroying families in crisis - then you have to stop paying them to do it... NFI is really nothing than a federal mouthpiece that gives lip-service to promoting fatherhood - but they too only get paid when fatherless children exist in the first place... Family courts that only get paid when families are destroyed = job security at NFI. With sympathy and regret, Ken Rosebriar kenrosebriar@comcast.net I know this is an old article, but I wanted to throw in this comment anyway – just in case anybody else is like me a decides to read through these old posts…

wheresmy40: Let me ask you somewhat of a rhetorical question… Assuming that the state you live in has laws mandating the use of seatbelts in motor-vehicles, or mandating the use of a helmet while operating a motorcycle – do you know why/how those laws came to exist today? Quick answer: Federal funding.

When the feds provide funding for things and tie that funding to certain requirements – the states do whatever it takes to meet those requirements.

So it goes with seatbelt and motorcycle-helmet laws… Feds provide funding for roads to states who have these laws on their books – so states do whatever it takes to enact and enforce these laws. While states like Florida and Ohio have told the feds to shove their funding — and have figured out how to fund the operation of their infrastructure sans federal assistance — all the other states rely on it like a baby relies on milk.

The same goes for child support enforcement funding… The feds pay the states BILLIONS of $$$ to enforce state-court orders for child support through Title IV-D of the Social Security Act (42 USC 651 et seq).

So this begs yet another somewhat rhetorical question: When/where can the state create an order for child support so they can enforce it and get paid with federal IV-D dollars? Quick answer: During a custody dispute in any state’s family court…

Ya see, you got it all wrong… Each state’s family courts and family laws are not the real problem. They were merely created to satisfy the requirements necessary to receive federal child support enforcement funding.

Blaming the family courts or the states’ laws is like shooting the messenger. It’s not the state’s fault that legislators passed a law requiring you to wear a seatbelt – they only did it to get the associated federal funding. And it’s certainly not the state’s fault that they get paid by the feds to destroy families in crisis.

Heck, people get paid to mass-produce things all of the time… That’s how you got the clothes you wear and the food you eat. And right now, the state is getting paid to destroy the next family that comes into one of their “family” courts for help.

If you want to stop how the states are destroying families in crisis – then you have to stop paying them to do it…

NFI is really nothing than a federal mouthpiece that gives lip-service to promoting fatherhood – but they too only get paid when fatherless children exist in the first place… Family courts that only get paid when families are destroyed = job security at NFI.

With sympathy and regret,

Ken Rosebriar
kenrosebriar@comcast.net

]]> By: wheresmy40 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24208 wheresmy40 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:46:29 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24208 wls1 said, "Their organization was not even `supposedly’ created to address the problem of divorced fathers or fathers who aren’t going to marry their children’s mother." You are right, my bad. Their pitch has changed slightly over the years. According to their website, "One of NFI's goals is to spread the message of the importance of involved, responsible, and committed fatherhood to all sectors of society." Yep, spreading a message that everybody should already know is not the same as identifying a main cause of father absence from the lives of their children, family law and the anti-father(male) policies emanating there from. NFI also says, "Therefore, in cooperation with the Ad Council, NFI produces Public Service Announcements (PSAs) that appear in national media across the country. The PSAs are aimed at informing the public of the negative consequences of father absence, and, conversely, the positive impact of father involvement." BUT, these ads fail to identify a main reason for father absence, the anti-father(male) family law policies. AND, they are demeaning to fathers. NFI adds, "They (the PSAs)seek to educate and inspire men to be involved in their children's lives, and for others to support the father's role as an involved and responsible parent." NO, these ads are meant to shame men into handing over cash that in many cases does not go to the care of children. No consideration is given for the men who cannot pay the exorbitant, unrealistic, court-ordered amounts. No mention that these amounts paid through the state machinery produces a windfall for a host of leeches. Men learn how to be good fathers from watching good fathering, usually from their dad. When the state removes this good example, the chain is broken. wls1 said,
“Their organization was not even `supposedly’ created to address the problem of divorced fathers or fathers who aren’t going to marry their children’s mother.”

You are right, my bad. Their pitch has changed slightly over the years. According to their website, “One of NFI’s goals is to spread the message of the importance of involved, responsible, and committed fatherhood to all sectors of society.” Yep, spreading a message that everybody should already know is not the same as identifying a main cause of father absence from the lives of their children, family law and the anti-father(male) policies emanating there from.

NFI also says, “Therefore, in cooperation with the Ad Council, NFI produces Public Service Announcements (PSAs) that appear in national media across the country. The PSAs are aimed at informing the public of the negative consequences of father absence, and, conversely, the positive impact of father involvement.” BUT, these ads fail to identify a main reason for father absence, the anti-father(male) family law policies. AND, they are demeaning to fathers.

NFI adds, “They (the PSAs)seek to educate and inspire men to be involved in their children’s lives, and for others to support the father’s role as an involved and responsible parent.” NO, these ads are meant to shame men into handing over cash that in many cases does not go to the care of children. No consideration is given for the men who cannot pay the exorbitant, unrealistic, court-ordered amounts. No mention that these amounts paid through the state machinery produces a windfall for a host of leeches.

Men learn how to be good fathers from watching good fathering, usually from their dad. When the state removes this good example, the chain is broken.

]]> By: wls1 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24197 wls1 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 06:25:53 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24197 Their organization was not even `supposedly' created to address the problem of divorced fathers or fathers who aren't going to marry their children's mother. The NFI's point of view toward such fathers has been made clear, albeit indirectly, by their announced belief that a man not in an immediate conjugal relationship his children's mother simply cannot function as a nurturing father to them. The past and I believe founding president of NFI, Wade Horn, was appointed at the beginning of the Bush administration to head the Administration for Children and Families within the department of Health and Human Services, and has done little but steer it toward an increased emphasis on child support enforcement. Their organization was not even `supposedly’ created to address the problem of divorced fathers or fathers who aren’t going to marry their children’s mother. The NFI’s point of view toward such fathers has been made clear, albeit indirectly, by their announced belief that a man not in an immediate conjugal relationship his children’s mother simply cannot function as a nurturing father to them.

The past and I believe founding president of NFI, Wade Horn, was appointed at the beginning of the Bush administration to head the Administration for Children and Families within the department of Health and Human Services, and has done little but steer it toward an increased emphasis on child support enforcement.

]]> By: wheresmy40 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24161 wheresmy40 Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:39:47 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24161 Re: National Fatherhood Initiative. An e-mail I sent to NFI in May 2002 said, "Ms. Degraffinreid, Can you explain to me why when I send a letter or e-mail asking a specific question, NFI refuses to answer. I believe I spoke to you on the phone some time ago and was under the impression that I would receive an acknowledgement (and possibly an answer) to my questions. Now I am under the impression that NFI isn't interested in solving the fatherlessness dilemma, but instead has another agenda. Would you be kind enough to acknowledge this message and direct me to somebody that isn't afraid to answer a question? Thank you" Her response, "Mr. ########, NFI has responded to your inquiries via email and via U.S. Mail. The President of NFI has also responded to your inquiries directly" The question I posed was what NFI proposes to do to alleviate the largest cause of fatherlessness in America, the family courts and their agenda. Both Ms. Degraffinreid and Mr. Roland Warren danced around the issue in letters and phone conversations. Sure they responded, but THEY NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I was professional and repectful but still no answer. Perhaps maybe, just maybe they are willing to acknowledge the MAIN cause of fatherlessness and the host of social problems with which it is associated, the destructive family law policies. The arrogant attitude and (non)response to my query indicated to me that NFI had no interest in any substantive efforts at solving a problem for which their organization was created (supposedly). Maybe they see the light. Maybe. Re: National Fatherhood Initiative.

An e-mail I sent to NFI in May 2002 said,

“Ms. Degraffinreid, Can you explain to me why when I send a letter or e-mail asking a specific question, NFI refuses to answer. I believe I spoke to you on the phone some time ago and was under the impression that I would receive an acknowledgement (and possibly an answer) to my questions. Now I am under the impression that NFI isn’t interested in solving the fatherlessness dilemma, but instead has another agenda. Would you be kind enough to acknowledge this message and direct me to somebody that isn’t afraid to answer a question? Thank you”

Her response,

“Mr. ########,

NFI has responded to your inquiries via email and via U.S. Mail. The President of NFI has also responded to your inquiries directly”

The question I posed was what NFI proposes to do to alleviate the largest cause of fatherlessness in America, the family courts and their agenda. Both Ms. Degraffinreid and Mr. Roland Warren danced around the issue in letters and phone conversations.

Sure they responded, but THEY NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I was professional and repectful but still no answer.

Perhaps maybe, just maybe they are willing to acknowledge the MAIN cause of fatherlessness and the host of social problems with which it is associated, the destructive family law policies.

The arrogant attitude and (non)response to my query indicated to me that NFI had no interest in any substantive efforts at solving a problem for which their organization was created (supposedly). Maybe they see the light. Maybe.

]]> By: Roger Knight http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24139 Roger Knight Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:44:39 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24139 Yes, until they fix family "law" and force it to comply with constitutional principles, those with money are well advised to invest in companies that make fused quartz panes in thicknesses ranging from 1/2 inch to 3 inches! Sounds like they are not 100% certain that Darren Mack is the one who shot the judge. Or they know he ain't the only one who wants to. Here is the rub: criminal defendants are usually not angry with the judge, even when they are sentenced to a long stint in the pen. "Well, I committed the crime, or at least the jury thought so, can't blame the judge for that." Well they can, as most judges are pro-prosecution. But it is amazing how family court judges fear for their lives and the security for the family court is so strict compared with good ol' criminal court or regular civil cases court. When you are a tyrant, people will think "death to the tyrants". The American revolutionaries did, including President John Adams, his brother Sam, and his son John Quincy. The original Adams Family was SCARY, we need people like that again! Yes, until they fix family “law” and force it to comply with constitutional principles, those with money are well advised to invest in companies that make fused quartz panes in thicknesses ranging from 1/2 inch to 3 inches!
Sounds like they are not 100% certain that Darren Mack is the one who shot the judge.
Or they know he ain’t the only one who wants to.
Here is the rub: criminal defendants are usually not angry with the judge, even when they are sentenced to a long stint in the pen. “Well, I committed the crime, or at least the jury thought so, can’t blame the judge for that.”
Well they can, as most judges are pro-prosecution.
But it is amazing how family court judges fear for their lives and the security for the family court is so strict compared with good ol’ criminal court or regular civil cases court.
When you are a tyrant, people will think “death to the tyrants”. The American revolutionaries did, including President John Adams, his brother Sam, and his son John Quincy.
The original Adams Family was SCARY, we need people like that again!

]]> By: wheresmy40 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24133 wheresmy40 Fri, 08 Dec 2006 14:27:29 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24133 Roger Knight said, "I wonder if they are investing in bullet proof glass at the Washoe County Courthouse in Reno, Nevada?" Of course they will install that very expensive glass...at taxpayer expense. The line to get into the "Bend Over" court was laughable, as they were checking thoroughly each victim through the door for contraband. The line next door at the criminal court, where bad guys and gals were happily showing up to answer charges for such offenses as robbery, gun possession, rape, burglary, car theft, and just plain old thugery, well folks, that line was breezing right through. Any right-minded criminal knows you cannot appear in court with ill intent if you want the judge to throw out the charges. Just behave and you'll be back on the street in thirty minutes or so. Roger Knight said, “I wonder if they are investing in bullet proof glass at the Washoe County Courthouse in Reno, Nevada?”

Of course they will install that very expensive glass…at taxpayer expense.

The line to get into the “Bend Over” court was laughable, as they were checking thoroughly each victim through the door for contraband.

The line next door at the criminal court, where bad guys and gals were happily showing up to answer charges for such offenses as robbery, gun possession, rape, burglary, car theft, and just plain old thugery, well folks, that line was breezing right through. Any right-minded criminal knows you cannot appear in court with ill intent if you want the judge to throw out the charges. Just behave and you’ll be back on the street in thirty minutes or so.

]]> By: Roger Knight http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24121 Roger Knight Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:19:14 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24121 DadWithGirls, I have no money. Any money I have, I have to hide it or it gets seized. I would love to play the campaign contribution game, but I lack the resources to do so. Those who have made such contributions, have been betrayed time and time again. Kind of like the small government conservatives supporting Republicans who then go big government when in power. If and when I have such money to spare, I will concentrate on the publicity angle first. We desperately need our fellow citizens to realize that this is something that cannot be tolerated. Because we all know, that which drives some men to suicide will drive other men to war. I wonder if they are investing in bullet proof glass at the Washoe County Courthouse in Reno, Nevada? DadWithGirls, I have no money. Any money I have, I have to hide it or it gets seized.
I would love to play the campaign contribution game, but I lack the resources to do so.
Those who have made such contributions, have been betrayed time and time again.
Kind of like the small government conservatives supporting Republicans who then go big government when in power.
If and when I have such money to spare, I will concentrate on the publicity angle first. We desperately need our fellow citizens to realize that this is something that cannot be tolerated.
Because we all know, that which drives some men to suicide will drive other men to war.
I wonder if they are investing in bullet proof glass at the Washoe County Courthouse in Reno, Nevada?

]]> By: wls1 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24119 wls1 Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:00:16 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24119 The NFI has consistently, for years, deliberately `overlooked' the problem of fathers separated from their children's mothers. They have even taken the view that such fathers---not in a `taming' conjugal relationship with the mother---cannot possibly be useful fathers, in addition to putting so much, exclusive, emphasis on avoiding divorce and out-of-wedlock birth that they completely and callously forsake all the children whose parents will never reunite. I'm surprised Baskerville is so soft and easy on NFI, although he's certainly right to urge making best use of every possible forum to get the message out. Perrine is perhaps an interesting guy: the NY Times ran his almost unprecedented op-ed criticizing family court earlier this year. It seems because he's a publisher and editor, although his magazine focuses on physical fitness, gives him an `in.' The NFI has consistently, for years, deliberately `overlooked’ the problem of fathers separated from their children’s mothers. They have even taken the view that such fathers—not in a `taming’ conjugal relationship with the mother—cannot possibly be useful fathers, in addition to putting so much, exclusive, emphasis on avoiding divorce and out-of-wedlock birth that they completely and callously forsake all the children whose parents will never reunite. I’m surprised Baskerville is so soft and easy on NFI, although he’s certainly right to urge making best use of every possible forum to get the message out.

Perrine is perhaps an interesting guy: the NY Times ran his almost unprecedented op-ed criticizing family court earlier this year. It seems because he’s a publisher and editor, although his magazine focuses on physical fitness, gives him an `in.’

]]> By: DadWithGirls http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24100 DadWithGirls Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:50:59 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24100 Currently men's rights advocates have NO LOBBY in D.C. We live in a democracy. Which is to say, you get the laws you pay for. You get political representation you pay for. You get the justice you can pay for. Justice is a BUSINESS. Like prostitution and religion and washing cars. Men will get VAWA repealed when the politicians are afraid and paid..... Until then... Type away on the 'Net and enjoy the tragedy. Currently men’s rights advocates have NO LOBBY in D.C.

We live in a democracy.

Which is to say, you get the laws you pay for.

You get political representation you pay for.

You get the justice you can pay for.

Justice is a BUSINESS.

Like prostitution and religion and washing cars.

Men will get VAWA repealed when the politicians are afraid and paid…..

Until then…

Type away on the ‘Net and enjoy the tragedy.

]]> By: mazza http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24099 mazza Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:54:33 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24099 For men, there should be a Child Support & Family Security Act. It would be another line on EVERY man's paycheck. Right under FICA, there would be FVCA (Father's Voluntary Contribution Act). It would be 30% of every man's pay in America. It could be a direct transfer payment to women. On women's paychecks, there would be a FVCA Disbursement line. Imagine all women getting paid directly from mens' checks! The tradeoff is no child support, no alimony, no VAWA and feminists must go to re-education camps. For men, there should be a Child Support & Family Security Act. It would be another line on EVERY man’s paycheck. Right under FICA, there would be FVCA (Father’s Voluntary Contribution Act). It would be 30% of every man’s pay in America.

It could be a direct transfer payment to women. On women’s paychecks, there would be a FVCA Disbursement line. Imagine all women getting paid directly from mens’ checks!

The tradeoff is no child support, no alimony, no VAWA and feminists must go to re-education camps.

]]> By: John Dias http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24092 John Dias Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:27:28 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24092 Today I ran across a 10-year-old study that shows that children of divorced parents do better when in the custody of their <b>fathers</b>, not their mothers. <blockquote>The major finding of the study was that across a variety of assessments of psychological well-being (self-esteem, anxiety, depression, problem behaviors), children (especially boys) did significantly better in the custody of their fathers. Moreover, children in father custody had the advantage of maintaining a more positive relationship with the nonresident parent, the mother.</blockquote> <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6W52-45TYMK3-5&_coverDate=06%2F30%2F1996&_alid=503802087&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_qd=1&_cdi=6558&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=2e52fe7695ac25c37b33ab8c4f8d53d4" rel="nofollow">Download the study</a> here. The study also pointed out that children in the custody of fathers tend to have a better relationship with the mother, while this is not the case when mothers have custody. These findings underscore the intense need children have for their fathers, but are denied this by a family court system slanted against them. Kudos to Dr. Baskerville for pointing out a forum in which these issues can be identified and addressed. John Dias Founder, <a href="http://www.dontmakehermad.com/" rel="nofollow">DontMakeHerMad.com</a> Today I ran across a 10-year-old study that shows that children of divorced parents do better when in the custody of their fathers, not their mothers.
The major finding of the study was that across a variety of assessments of psychological well-being (self-esteem, anxiety, depression, problem behaviors), children (especially boys) did significantly better in the custody of their fathers. Moreover, children in father custody had the advantage of maintaining a more positive relationship with the nonresident parent, the mother.

Download the study here.

The study also pointed out that children in the custody of fathers tend to have a better relationship with the mother, while this is not the case when mothers have custody.

These findings underscore the intense need children have for their fathers, but are denied this by a family court system slanted against them. Kudos to Dr. Baskerville for pointing out a forum in which these issues can be identified and addressed.

John Dias
Founder, DontMakeHerMad.com

]]> By: Roger Knight http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24058 Roger Knight Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:45:48 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24058 Media blackout? What media blackout? Shhhhhh. Never discuss the Antipeonage Act. The Child Support Crusade depends on nobody realizing that it is a crime to enslave for debt. Media blackout? What media blackout?
Shhhhhh.
Never discuss the Antipeonage Act.
The Child Support Crusade depends on nobody realizing that it is a crime to enslave for debt.

]]> By: conservativation http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24049 conservativation Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:55:20 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24049 Thank you DC Father for that gut honest , may I say rant? I agree, and I've been posting below on Carey's article that the level of ignorance and apathy is astronomical. And MRM folks get lost in our statistics and such becuase we know we are right, but its like using scripture to argue w/ an athiest. Until one has close personal experience, this is one of those issues where the uninitiated will go on thinking we are over the top. Until the symptoms reach the point of undeniable impact on MOST Americans, forget it, nothing will change. Its about a whole lot more then just the money and the lawyers, its about the moral complacency of a once decent people in this country. Listening to a couple discuss friends divorce in the lobby of my church, using phrases and intonation as if the divorcing couple had just bought a vacation home, that was an apt metaphor for the condition of our blind society. Thank you DC Father for that gut honest , may I say rant? I agree, and I’ve been posting below on Carey’s article that the level of ignorance and apathy is astronomical. And MRM folks get lost in our statistics and such becuase we know we are right, but its like using scripture to argue w/ an athiest. Until one has close personal experience, this is one of those issues where the uninitiated will go on thinking we are over the top. Until the symptoms reach the point of undeniable impact on MOST Americans, forget it, nothing will change. Its about a whole lot more then just the money and the lawyers, its about the moral complacency of a once decent people in this country.
Listening to a couple discuss friends divorce in the lobby of my church, using phrases and intonation as if the divorcing couple had just bought a vacation home, that was an apt metaphor for the condition of our blind society.

]]> By: thurston861 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24047 thurston861 Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:50:00 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24047 Keep talking Brothers. Public speech will make public awareness in 5 years. If NFI had done its job we might have been there by now. Keep talking Brothers.

Public speech will make public awareness in 5 years.

If NFI had done its job we might have been there by now.

]]> By: DcFather http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24034 DcFather Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:11:34 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24034 For most of the media, its fathers are no-good and everything is their fault. For NFI, its <i>some fathers are no-good (the ones who don't pay their child support), and everything is their fault. <b>"It takes a man to be a dad."</b> Right. It takes a man to stand up to the SWAT team standing between you and your children when you try to "visit" them. It takes a man to tell a judge to go to hell when the judge is more concerned about lawyers making money than he is about fundamental human rights. It takes a man to sit in prison for something he didn't do because his ex-wife took her lawyer's advice to make false allegations against him. It takes a man to fight a system that revolves around gender and money, when he is the wrong gender and all they want is his money. It takes a man to live in a dump when half his wages go to things like breast implants for the ex-wife. It takes a man accept that his children are being abused and molested and there is nothing he can do about it because the feminazis at Child Protective Services can't tell the difference between facts and stereotypes. NFI has been and continues to be part of the problem. They are nothing more than the PR wing of an anti-father government, giving lip service to the importance of fathers while undermining fatherhood. How in the hell can an alleged pro-father group go along with using billions in federal tax dollars to bribe states into manufacturing as many fatherless children as possible? If the NFI actually gave a damn about children and fathers, they would put there resources towards ending the war against fathers. Instead, they put the onus on fathers, as if fathers should just accept more and more of the decades-long anti-father legislation, extortion, and racketeering. Seems to me there would at least be some truth in advertising if they changed their slogan to: "It takes a vagina to be a dad."</i> For most of the media, its fathers are no-good and everything is their fault. For NFI, its some fathers are no-good (the ones who don’t pay their child support), and everything is their fault.

“It takes a man to be a dad.”

Right. It takes a man to stand up to the SWAT team standing between you and your children when you try to “visit” them. It takes a man to tell a judge to go to hell when the judge is more concerned about lawyers making money than he is about fundamental human rights. It takes a man to sit in prison for something he didn’t do because his ex-wife took her lawyer’s advice to make false allegations against him. It takes a man to fight a system that revolves around gender and money, when he is the wrong gender and all they want is his money. It takes a man to live in a dump when half his wages go to things like breast implants for the ex-wife. It takes a man accept that his children are being abused and molested and there is nothing he can do about it because the feminazis at Child Protective Services can’t tell the difference between facts and stereotypes.

NFI has been and continues to be part of the problem. They are nothing more than the PR wing of an anti-father government, giving lip service to the importance of fathers while undermining fatherhood.

How in the hell can an alleged pro-father group go along with using billions in federal tax dollars to bribe states into manufacturing as many fatherless children as possible? If the NFI actually gave a damn about children and fathers, they would put there resources towards ending the war against fathers. Instead, they put the onus on fathers, as if fathers should just accept more and more of the decades-long anti-father legislation, extortion, and racketeering.

Seems to me there would at least be some truth in advertising if they changed their slogan to:

“It takes a vagina to be a dad.”

]]> By: mazza http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24033 mazza Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:07:47 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24033 Nothing will change. We are also seeing a political swing back toward the Democrats, feminists and leftists. If anything, the courts will get far, far worse against men and fathers. Look at where family dissolution has been made a political effort; Scandinavia and the UK are the best examples. Marriage is dead in those countries and men are constantly demonized. It is happening here in the US and nothing will stop it. As long as the current system fills the pockets of lawyers, it will continue. The lawyers will give political donations to leftists and new laws will come along making things worse and worse, yet enriching the lawyers and social engineers. Look for things to get 100% worse for men by the time President Hillary is inaugurated. Nothing will change. We are also seeing a political swing back toward the Democrats, feminists and leftists. If anything, the courts will get far, far worse against men and fathers.

Look at where family dissolution has been made a political effort; Scandinavia and the UK are the best examples. Marriage is dead in those countries and men are constantly demonized. It is happening here in the US and nothing will stop it.

As long as the current system fills the pockets of lawyers, it will continue. The lawyers will give political donations to leftists and new laws will come along making things worse and worse, yet enriching the lawyers and social engineers.

Look for things to get 100% worse for men by the time President Hillary is inaugurated.

]]> By: amfortas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-24026 amfortas Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:47:16 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/07/does-the-national-fatherhood-initiative-get-it-right-on-fatherhood/#comment-24026 Chip, chip , chip away. Thank you Stephen for that intervention. The issue is very slowly climbing the greasy-pole of public attention. Getting something done is another matter of course. But if it is slow, it will not be for want of you efforts, Sir. It is interesting to see what is happening in various parts of the world. In the UK there is a watershed moment acoming. The labor Party under PM Blah is stepping up its plan to take over families altogether. Having got rid of fathers it is now targetting mothers and establishing a force of public servants (sic) to get down to such nitty gritty and essential issues as reading nursery rhymes to children, It seems that not only are fathers bad for children, but so are mothers! The Conservative Party is currently developing its Policy on families. Let us hope (against hope?) that they see the need for Two-Parent families, the support of marriage and the repeal of the destructive unilateral divorce laws. Pigs might fly yet. Chip, chip , chip away. Thank you Stephen for that intervention. The issue is very slowly climbing the greasy-pole of public attention. Getting something done is another matter of course. But if it is slow, it will not be for want of you efforts, Sir.

It is interesting to see what is happening in various parts of the world. In the UK there is a watershed moment acoming. The labor Party under PM Blah is stepping up its plan to take over families altogether. Having got rid of fathers it is now targetting mothers and establishing a force of public servants (sic) to get down to such nitty gritty and essential issues as reading nursery rhymes to children, It seems that not only are fathers bad for children, but so are mothers! The Conservative Party is currently developing its Policy on families. Let us hope (against hope?) that they see the need for Two-Parent families, the support of marriage and the repeal of the destructive unilateral divorce laws. Pigs might fly yet.

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