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	<title>Comments on: Contract With America: The Betrayal Begins</title>
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		<title>By: hotrod</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/09/contract-with-america-the-betrayal-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-24296</link>
		<dc:creator>hotrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I resent the implication of fomenting a violent, uneducated reaction to the erosion of our rights. I was trying to make a point, perhaps not as eloquently as you could, about the fact that the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution is constantly misinterpreted and redefined. Believing in the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment does not make anyone a gun fanatic, as you put it. Many of us do participate, write letters, join groups and organizations to counter the erosion of our rights. And we are concerned that the upcoming congress will, again, seek to wipe out, or heavily restrict the one Right that really does protect all of the other rights.
And what about that slower, deliberate, smart, day to day work? How does that square with someone who&#039;s property is in the way of some greedy land developer who&#039;s greasing the palms of the greedy bureaucrats that run your local county land development? Look at what that liberal idiot judge David Suiter started with that idiotic ruling on eminent domain. How many lives has he disrupted with the stroke of a pen?
I&#039;ve dealt with county land development public employees. They do not view themselves as public servants. Their existense, their reason for being is not to serve you. They exist to make sure you are following their rules. And you multiply that by all of the other government agencies, offices and departments and all the rules and regulations that must be complied with. 
We have a liberal judge in our area who convinced his gardener to cut down 200 trees that were blocking his view. His neighbors turned him in, which nobody had a problem with, and he had to pay a big fine. If I want to &quot;legally&quot; cut down a tree on my property, I have to jump all kinds of lgeal hoops and prove my case, my reason to buy a permit for each tree, and even blackberry bushes. I guess the liberal judge knew that it is easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. And he is supposed to know the &quot;Law&quot;.
So I guess we all better break out the books and consume ourselves and our fortunes in the daily toil of figuring out what laws we might be in violation of and how to go about changing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I resent the implication of fomenting a violent, uneducated reaction to the erosion of our rights. I was trying to make a point, perhaps not as eloquently as you could, about the fact that the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution is constantly misinterpreted and redefined. Believing in the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment does not make anyone a gun fanatic, as you put it. Many of us do participate, write letters, join groups and organizations to counter the erosion of our rights. And we are concerned that the upcoming congress will, again, seek to wipe out, or heavily restrict the one Right that really does protect all of the other rights.<br />
And what about that slower, deliberate, smart, day to day work? How does that square with someone who&#8217;s property is in the way of some greedy land developer who&#8217;s greasing the palms of the greedy bureaucrats that run your local county land development? Look at what that liberal idiot judge David Suiter started with that idiotic ruling on eminent domain. How many lives has he disrupted with the stroke of a pen?<br />
I&#8217;ve dealt with county land development public employees. They do not view themselves as public servants. Their existense, their reason for being is not to serve you. They exist to make sure you are following their rules. And you multiply that by all of the other government agencies, offices and departments and all the rules and regulations that must be complied with.<br />
We have a liberal judge in our area who convinced his gardener to cut down 200 trees that were blocking his view. His neighbors turned him in, which nobody had a problem with, and he had to pay a big fine. If I want to &#8220;legally&#8221; cut down a tree on my property, I have to jump all kinds of lgeal hoops and prove my case, my reason to buy a permit for each tree, and even blackberry bushes. I guess the liberal judge knew that it is easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. And he is supposed to know the &#8220;Law&#8221;.<br />
So I guess we all better break out the books and consume ourselves and our fortunes in the daily toil of figuring out what laws we might be in violation of and how to go about changing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Farrell</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/09/contract-with-america-the-betrayal-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-24274</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrary to the spirit of post four, the founders exercised every legal and reasonable avenue first, and resorted to violence as a last resort. Then, mind you, then, they set up a system where all those other avenues that they did not have, that is direct representation, equality before the law (including the right to bring criminal and other charges against those in office), impeachments, frequent elections, complete freedom of the press, etc. - and add to these, other rights, checks and balances, divisions of powers -- all these making it so that we have every legal, peaceful avenue to exercise first. 

Gun ownership, fine. I believe in that. But who will join you. All 1,000 of the other fanatics who rather than do the slower, more reasonable, and by the way, more difficult day to day labor of doing their part patiently, morally, smartly, say their ready to come out shooting. Who will they shoot? Everyone? Their brothers, sisters, neighbors, countrymen - for nearly everyone has adopted, sad to say, some socialists beliefs, though they don&#039;t know it. Part of the definition of a just revolution includes a reasonable hope for victory. Guns won&#039;t solve the information drought. Even if it did, which it won&#039;t, the same uneducated people  will be left to give us more of the same. Education is the key, and patience, and not just faith as you implied, but works. God doesn&#039;t reward mere prayer, he requires a willing hand to help bring that hope and prayer to pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to the spirit of post four, the founders exercised every legal and reasonable avenue first, and resorted to violence as a last resort. Then, mind you, then, they set up a system where all those other avenues that they did not have, that is direct representation, equality before the law (including the right to bring criminal and other charges against those in office), impeachments, frequent elections, complete freedom of the press, etc. &#8211; and add to these, other rights, checks and balances, divisions of powers &#8212; all these making it so that we have every legal, peaceful avenue to exercise first. </p>
<p>Gun ownership, fine. I believe in that. But who will join you. All 1,000 of the other fanatics who rather than do the slower, more reasonable, and by the way, more difficult day to day labor of doing their part patiently, morally, smartly, say their ready to come out shooting. Who will they shoot? Everyone? Their brothers, sisters, neighbors, countrymen &#8211; for nearly everyone has adopted, sad to say, some socialists beliefs, though they don&#8217;t know it. Part of the definition of a just revolution includes a reasonable hope for victory. Guns won&#8217;t solve the information drought. Even if it did, which it won&#8217;t, the same uneducated people  will be left to give us more of the same. Education is the key, and patience, and not just faith as you implied, but works. God doesn&#8217;t reward mere prayer, he requires a willing hand to help bring that hope and prayer to pass.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/09/contract-with-america-the-betrayal-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-24257</link>
		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God bless America. Please. Soon. For all our sakes.</description>
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		<title>By: hotrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>hotrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to know what you and everyone else who reads these articles are going to do, when the nameless, faceless, communist bureaucrats that write the laws that destroy our rights and freedoms, start infringing on your right to warn all of us about these trespasses?
Its nice to be positive and stay informed and hope and pray to God that making an educated response to these phony conservatives will change someones mind, but I think that only something catastrophic will shock real conservatives into real action. 
You can&#039;t even convince most people that we are at war with an external enemy right now, let alone a fifth column that seeks to subvert our freedom.
Laws are continually implemented by these vile beauracratic pigs, most without a vote of the people, that take years, decades and fortunes to challenge in court, only to have a temporary stay reversed by some liberal activist pig in a black robe.
And don&#039;t be so offended at my use of the word pig. They are all sucking on the public tit, burying their pig faces in the public trough at the expense of my labor and using my, and all of or tax money to bury us under mountains of laws that most of us can&#039;t comprehend.
Most people that are not affected by the taking of private property for fictitious public use, just shrug and say, oh well, I don&#039;t own property, it doesn&#039;t affect me. All I can tell those people is, incrementally, whatever it is that does interest you will be affected and before you know it, its against the &quot;LAW&quot; to do, say, think, participate in, enjoy, or use.
What are you firearms owners going to do when, by the stroke of a pen, or edict, or decree, or vote by the majority of sheeple, who are spoon fed the evils of gun ownership by the mainstream communist media, proclaim your right to own firearms doesn&#039;t really exist? If you don&#039;t think that fight is coming again starting in January, then you are stupid as well. So? What are you going to do? Are you going to lay down your weapons? Turn them in to a government buyback for cash?
And one more thing(for now), I really hate this argument that so-called conservatives make about the fact that lower taxes generate so much more revenue to the feds. Yippie! More federal power, please. The argument needs to change, that lowering taxes also means LESS income to the government! I could care less that Bill Gates or any other &quot;rich&quot; person has the priviledge of paying more in taxes to the feds because his tax rate is lower and the loopholes for hiding money isn&#039;t as necessary. I don&#039;t want the government to have more revenue, which translates into power the enslave us. Everyone complains about the size and ever expanding scope of government into our lives. Well, guess how it gets that way? Less revenue=less power. This is the message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to know what you and everyone else who reads these articles are going to do, when the nameless, faceless, communist bureaucrats that write the laws that destroy our rights and freedoms, start infringing on your right to warn all of us about these trespasses?<br />
Its nice to be positive and stay informed and hope and pray to God that making an educated response to these phony conservatives will change someones mind, but I think that only something catastrophic will shock real conservatives into real action.<br />
You can&#8217;t even convince most people that we are at war with an external enemy right now, let alone a fifth column that seeks to subvert our freedom.<br />
Laws are continually implemented by these vile beauracratic pigs, most without a vote of the people, that take years, decades and fortunes to challenge in court, only to have a temporary stay reversed by some liberal activist pig in a black robe.<br />
And don&#8217;t be so offended at my use of the word pig. They are all sucking on the public tit, burying their pig faces in the public trough at the expense of my labor and using my, and all of or tax money to bury us under mountains of laws that most of us can&#8217;t comprehend.<br />
Most people that are not affected by the taking of private property for fictitious public use, just shrug and say, oh well, I don&#8217;t own property, it doesn&#8217;t affect me. All I can tell those people is, incrementally, whatever it is that does interest you will be affected and before you know it, its against the &#8220;LAW&#8221; to do, say, think, participate in, enjoy, or use.<br />
What are you firearms owners going to do when, by the stroke of a pen, or edict, or decree, or vote by the majority of sheeple, who are spoon fed the evils of gun ownership by the mainstream communist media, proclaim your right to own firearms doesn&#8217;t really exist? If you don&#8217;t think that fight is coming again starting in January, then you are stupid as well. So? What are you going to do? Are you going to lay down your weapons? Turn them in to a government buyback for cash?<br />
And one more thing(for now), I really hate this argument that so-called conservatives make about the fact that lower taxes generate so much more revenue to the feds. Yippie! More federal power, please. The argument needs to change, that lowering taxes also means LESS income to the government! I could care less that Bill Gates or any other &#8220;rich&#8221; person has the priviledge of paying more in taxes to the feds because his tax rate is lower and the loopholes for hiding money isn&#8217;t as necessary. I don&#8217;t want the government to have more revenue, which translates into power the enslave us. Everyone complains about the size and ever expanding scope of government into our lives. Well, guess how it gets that way? Less revenue=less power. This is the message.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Farrell</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/09/contract-with-america-the-betrayal-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-24241</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 23:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note for my readers: Newt Gingrich is trying to position himself, of late, for a presidential run, as a sort of savior to the party, armed with another plan to do just that. He&#039;s running a series at Human Events on that subject. This is one of the reasons I&#039;m republishing this series now, along with new material. There are already voices out there calling themselves conservative, and I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll do a convincing job at times - but don&#039;t forget the past history of these men, and reason to the root. I&#039;m sure Mr. Gingrich, for example, won&#039;t be able to restrain himself for injecting his different sort of conservatism into the formula in one manner or other, sooner or later. He&#039;s not the man for us to look to for President, nor leadership in the party. That&#039;s my opinion. If we stick to principle, and by the way, read this series all the way thru, we&#039;ll be better prepared to understand where such center-right conservatives are really coming from, and we&#039;ll have a better chance of making an educated response, whether thru column, or letter, or vote, or other political activities.

Respectfully, Liberty Letters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note for my readers: Newt Gingrich is trying to position himself, of late, for a presidential run, as a sort of savior to the party, armed with another plan to do just that. He&#8217;s running a series at Human Events on that subject. This is one of the reasons I&#8217;m republishing this series now, along with new material. There are already voices out there calling themselves conservative, and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll do a convincing job at times &#8211; but don&#8217;t forget the past history of these men, and reason to the root. I&#8217;m sure Mr. Gingrich, for example, won&#8217;t be able to restrain himself for injecting his different sort of conservatism into the formula in one manner or other, sooner or later. He&#8217;s not the man for us to look to for President, nor leadership in the party. That&#8217;s my opinion. If we stick to principle, and by the way, read this series all the way thru, we&#8217;ll be better prepared to understand where such center-right conservatives are really coming from, and we&#8217;ll have a better chance of making an educated response, whether thru column, or letter, or vote, or other political activities.</p>
<p>Respectfully, Liberty Letters</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Farrell</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/09/contract-with-america-the-betrayal-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-24239</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 23:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are in the need of a new founding generation, that is for sure, though all this has occurred not simply by plotting politicians, but by an apathetic and increasingly amoral/immoral electorate who have not the inclination, nor the wherewithal to take a stand against a socialist leaning Leviathan. Party politics, too, is the great disarmer. We can&#039;t be blind partisans if we hope to turn this thing around. While frustration is in order, violence is not the answer, but rather responsible citizenship (such as voting the Republicans out for starters as we did), which in fact has begun these last few years to arise in many quarters. The numbers, the willingness to sacrifice, the moral integrity, the appeals to history, reason, and morality, just need to keep swelling sufficient to the task of confronting the mounting crisis of our time. My conviction is that it will. God help us if not.

My suggestion to all: begins with self-education in the classical sense, beginning with America&#039;s own story and principles in the original (not revisionist) text, expanding to such works as the Harvard Classics, and the greatest moral text of all the Holy Scripture, which must be then, or simultaneously shared with our children (if necessary by homeschooling or as a supplement to their public education), than to our extended family and neighbors, this with a watchful eye on affairs that reasons to the root, that digs into legislative fine print rather than the froth, that goes to news sources outside of the mainstream media, such as staff writers at WorldNetDaily, NewsMax.com, TheNewAmerican, HumanEvents, even the Economist would be an improvement (though not fully trusted) - and well, this site as well, where we have a few open minded, independent men and women who can think on their own.

Beyond that, we need men and women willing to pump time and talents and resources into these other resources. We need to spread the word. We need to write letters. And we need to kick the Establishment out of the Republican Party, while we&#039;re at it.

I am not writing this series to create cynicism, but only awareness, and then hopefully constructive action.

A warning to all, the communist/socialist/fascist movement has existed in upper circles for a long time in this country, dating at least back to the Woodrow Wilson administration. It hasn&#039;t won yet, though many doomsday thinkers have predicted the downfall of all of our freedom&#039;s throughout the years. We have lost much ground. But the worst has not occurred yet, and indeed, some progress on numerous fronts, and concessions on the side of right have been won. This is because, with all the evil, and for that matter, aspiring politicians without any ideological loyalty who are used by others far worse, there are good people, everywhere, waging the good fight, and keeping this thing &#039;somewhat&#039; in check - and our numbers and influence also are growing. Never give up. For every crisis produces heroes, many of whom otherwise would have sat on the benches as unknowns. They will come.

As to the educating of a new founding generation among our youth, and some of us older guys and gals, that is precisely what we are trying to do at George Wythe College, and meeting with some success, both among our students, and in the home school movement where GWC has provided the resources and guidance to parents to give their kids the same education America&#039;s Founders received. Just a thought. Things are happening. Never lose faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are in the need of a new founding generation, that is for sure, though all this has occurred not simply by plotting politicians, but by an apathetic and increasingly amoral/immoral electorate who have not the inclination, nor the wherewithal to take a stand against a socialist leaning Leviathan. Party politics, too, is the great disarmer. We can&#8217;t be blind partisans if we hope to turn this thing around. While frustration is in order, violence is not the answer, but rather responsible citizenship (such as voting the Republicans out for starters as we did), which in fact has begun these last few years to arise in many quarters. The numbers, the willingness to sacrifice, the moral integrity, the appeals to history, reason, and morality, just need to keep swelling sufficient to the task of confronting the mounting crisis of our time. My conviction is that it will. God help us if not.</p>
<p>My suggestion to all: begins with self-education in the classical sense, beginning with America&#8217;s own story and principles in the original (not revisionist) text, expanding to such works as the Harvard Classics, and the greatest moral text of all the Holy Scripture, which must be then, or simultaneously shared with our children (if necessary by homeschooling or as a supplement to their public education), than to our extended family and neighbors, this with a watchful eye on affairs that reasons to the root, that digs into legislative fine print rather than the froth, that goes to news sources outside of the mainstream media, such as staff writers at WorldNetDaily, NewsMax.com, TheNewAmerican, HumanEvents, even the Economist would be an improvement (though not fully trusted) &#8211; and well, this site as well, where we have a few open minded, independent men and women who can think on their own.</p>
<p>Beyond that, we need men and women willing to pump time and talents and resources into these other resources. We need to spread the word. We need to write letters. And we need to kick the Establishment out of the Republican Party, while we&#8217;re at it.</p>
<p>I am not writing this series to create cynicism, but only awareness, and then hopefully constructive action.</p>
<p>A warning to all, the communist/socialist/fascist movement has existed in upper circles for a long time in this country, dating at least back to the Woodrow Wilson administration. It hasn&#8217;t won yet, though many doomsday thinkers have predicted the downfall of all of our freedom&#8217;s throughout the years. We have lost much ground. But the worst has not occurred yet, and indeed, some progress on numerous fronts, and concessions on the side of right have been won. This is because, with all the evil, and for that matter, aspiring politicians without any ideological loyalty who are used by others far worse, there are good people, everywhere, waging the good fight, and keeping this thing &#8217;somewhat&#8217; in check &#8211; and our numbers and influence also are growing. Never give up. For every crisis produces heroes, many of whom otherwise would have sat on the benches as unknowns. They will come.</p>
<p>As to the educating of a new founding generation among our youth, and some of us older guys and gals, that is precisely what we are trying to do at George Wythe College, and meeting with some success, both among our students, and in the home school movement where GWC has provided the resources and guidance to parents to give their kids the same education America&#8217;s Founders received. Just a thought. Things are happening. Never lose faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knight</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/09/contract-with-america-the-betrayal-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-24223</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Un*******believable but true.
Classic bait and switch.
Promise smaller government, deliver bigger government, rapid spending increases and tyranny.
People say that shooting judges and cops is inexcusable.
But when Jews did exactly that in Nazi Germany, we cheer them.
So a divorcing father shoots family court Judge Weller in Nevada and we are supposed to condemn him?
When the courts are bought off, and both parties offer no solutions, but more of the same, then what are freedom loving citizens to do?
We can be forgiven to believe that Tom Jefferson&#039;s tree of liberty is in need of another transfusion of the blood of tyrants and patriots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Un*******believable but true.<br />
Classic bait and switch.<br />
Promise smaller government, deliver bigger government, rapid spending increases and tyranny.<br />
People say that shooting judges and cops is inexcusable.<br />
But when Jews did exactly that in Nazi Germany, we cheer them.<br />
So a divorcing father shoots family court Judge Weller in Nevada and we are supposed to condemn him?<br />
When the courts are bought off, and both parties offer no solutions, but more of the same, then what are freedom loving citizens to do?<br />
We can be forgiven to believe that Tom Jefferson&#8217;s tree of liberty is in need of another transfusion of the blood of tyrants and patriots.</p>
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