Comments on: Persecuting and Brutally Murdering Christians http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:53:53 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: chas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-24766 chas Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:01:12 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/#comment-24766 The most important point, of the incarnation is to show everybody, how valuable we are to God, that he wants to come into our world, and speak to us in our language, and be in relationship to us, and expressed with our culture. It should have two effects on the way we live. First, it should inspire us to try to understand the message, that he was trying to communicate to us, and explain it in our language, and express it with our culture. Second, it should also compel us to be incarnational, to take his message and explain it in another language, so that it can be expressed in other cultures, where people have not yet heard. The most important point, of the crucifixion is to show everybody how much God suffers, to stay in relationship to us, and involved with our world. It should have two effects on the way we live. First, it should inspire us, to try to understand what we are doing, to bring suffering to God, so we can stop doing those things, and ask for forgiveness. Second, it should also inspire us to be more willing to suffer as he does, to remain in relationship with people, not by your tolerance, but by your forgiveness. The most important point, of the incarnation is to show everybody, how valuable we are to God, that he wants to come into our world, and speak to us in our language, and be in relationship to us, and expressed with our culture. It should have two effects on the way we live. First, it should inspire us to try to understand the message, that he was trying to communicate to us, and explain it in our language, and express it with our culture. Second, it should also compel us to be incarnational, to take his message and explain it in another language, so that it can be expressed in other cultures, where people have not yet heard.

The most important point, of the crucifixion is to show everybody how much God suffers, to stay in relationship to us, and involved with our world. It should have two effects on the way we live. First, it should inspire us, to try to understand what we are doing, to bring suffering to God, so we can stop doing those things, and ask for forgiveness. Second, it should also inspire us to be more willing to suffer as he does, to remain in relationship with people, not by your tolerance, but by your forgiveness.

]]> By: amfortas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-24756 amfortas Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:36:38 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/#comment-24756 I am not a very good Catholic. I find the whole business of suffering because Jesus suffered to be an intolerable imposition. I don't want anyone to suffer just for what they believe and see no reason to countenance either the suffering or those who insist on their right, religious or otherwise, to inflict it. I also see no reason to countenance the imposition, of the belief that we MUST suffer, on small children. Sure, life is often a bastard and we do suffer from all sorts of causes, but those who are intent on maiming and killing others, whether it is from a faux-religious imperative or not, deserve to be taken out! Whacked, as Tony Soprano might say. Suffering is something to avoid, in my book. There are times when we must confront the irrational and hate - filled urges of others who would do us harm but it seems to me that direct action is more fruitful than passively accepting it. I hope your suffering is relieved soon, Paul. I do not want to see you and yours made martyrs. You do not deserve that and neither do your little ones. I guess that if Jesus eventually gives me a box around the ears for taking up the sword and whacking someone with it, I just might deserve it, but I think he is more likely to forgive me. He is likely to forgive you for defending your family, forcefully, too. He is the Son of the God of Love, after all. Your Islamic protagonists worship a false God. By their fruits shall ye know them. I am not a very good Catholic. I find the whole business of suffering because Jesus suffered to be an intolerable imposition. I don’t want anyone to suffer just for what they believe and see no reason to countenance either the suffering or those who insist on their right, religious or otherwise, to inflict it. I also see no reason to countenance the imposition, of the belief that we MUST suffer, on small children. Sure, life is often a bastard and we do suffer from all sorts of causes, but those who are intent on maiming and killing others, whether it is from a faux-religious imperative or not, deserve to be taken out! Whacked, as Tony Soprano might say. Suffering is something to avoid, in my book. There are times when we must confront the irrational and hate – filled urges of others who would do us harm but it seems to me that direct action is more fruitful than passively accepting it.

I hope your suffering is relieved soon, Paul. I do not want to see you and yours made martyrs. You do not deserve that and neither do your little ones. I guess that if Jesus eventually gives me a box around the ears for taking up the sword and whacking someone with it, I just might deserve it, but I think he is more likely to forgive me. He is likely to forgive you for defending your family, forcefully, too. He is the Son of the God of Love, after all. Your Islamic protagonists worship a false God. By their fruits shall ye know them.

]]> By: KushinLos http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-24724 KushinLos Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:26:22 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/#comment-24724 May the Lord keep you and bless you. Believe in Him. May the Lord keep you and bless you. Believe in Him.

]]> By: chas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-24695 chas Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:41:41 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/#comment-24695 I agree with this historical representation of Christianity, and that God gives the crown of martyrdom, to those who suffer for being a Christian. God had a higher purpose, for Jesus’ death, and we demonstrate of our willingness to accept the same suffering, when we eat the broken bread of his body, and drink the wine of his blood. If Christians in the US are not suffering persecution, like the Christians in the rest of the world always have, it is because, they do not have the courage to step over the lines, that might result in their suffering, and instead cave in to the pressure, and drift into apostasy. However, what Jesus did, was in the context of the Roman Empire. He didn’t want his followers, to be confused with Jewish zealots, who were in open armed rebellion. Jesus prophesied that Rome would level Jerusalem, and didn’t want his followers, to be a part of the group that was inciting Rome. He wanted them to survive that and eventually by peaceful persuasion, they would become the dominant religion, of the Roman Empire. However, this nonviolent period, not carrying a sword, and turning the other cheek, was for the period Jesus was training his Apostles, and not for all Christians, for all situations, for all times. He clearly changed this, just before he died and told them they would need to carry a sword. He didn’t want them to use a sword against the Roman authority. But he also didn’t want them to be defenseless. As long as the Christians were in the Roman Empire they were hated and persecuted, but they were protected by the Roman military, and eventually over five hundred years became the largest religion. When the power of the Roman Empire began to fail, about the time of Mohammad, Muslims took advantage of the power vacuum, in the failing Roman Empire. They conquered all of North Africa, and would have conquered all of Europe. Christians had to learn a hard lesson, to become defenders of the faith, or be totally defeated, by the Muslims. When Muslims were stronger than Christians they conquered them; when Christians were stronger than Muslims they pushed them back. It took seven hundred years to push the Muslims out of Europe, one battle at a time. Today there is a lot of confusion about this. Many Christians in my lifetime have tried to second guess, the military nature of Christians throughout history, and disassociate themselves from it; because they look at history with the cultural sunglasses of their hippy movement. Their Jesus just sat around playing a guitar and singing, would try to bring about world peace by spitting on the military, and would never expect Christians to defend their faith; it has caused the Church to become very weak, and is totally out of touch with what Christians were throughout history. It could result in unnecessary genocides of Christians. There are times when it is right to suffer and forgive, and there are times when it is right to fight to defend the faith. We will have wars, we will be persecuted, and nothing has changed. Carry a gun if you can, suffer as a martyr with honor if you can’t carry a gun, just make sure there is a point to it. I agree with this historical representation of Christianity, and that God gives the crown of martyrdom, to those who suffer for being a Christian. God had a higher purpose, for Jesus’ death, and we demonstrate of our willingness to accept the same suffering, when we eat the broken bread of his body, and drink the wine of his blood. If Christians in the US are not suffering persecution, like the Christians in the rest of the world always have, it is because, they do not have the courage to step over the lines, that might result in their suffering, and instead cave in to the pressure, and drift into apostasy. However, what Jesus did, was in the context of the Roman Empire. He didn’t want his followers, to be confused with Jewish zealots, who were in open armed rebellion. Jesus prophesied that Rome would level Jerusalem, and didn’t want his followers, to be a part of the group that was inciting Rome. He wanted them to survive that and eventually by peaceful persuasion, they would become the dominant religion, of the Roman Empire. However, this nonviolent period, not carrying a sword, and turning the other cheek, was for the period Jesus was training his Apostles, and not for all Christians, for all situations, for all times. He clearly changed this, just before he died and told them they would need to carry a sword. He didn’t want them to use a sword against the Roman authority. But he also didn’t want them to be defenseless. As long as the Christians were in the Roman Empire they were hated and persecuted, but they were protected by the Roman military, and eventually over five hundred years became the largest religion. When the power of the Roman Empire began to fail, about the time of Mohammad, Muslims took advantage of the power vacuum, in the failing Roman Empire. They conquered all of North Africa, and would have conquered all of Europe. Christians had to learn a hard lesson, to become defenders of the faith, or be totally defeated, by the Muslims. When Muslims were stronger than Christians they conquered them; when Christians were stronger than Muslims they pushed them back. It took seven hundred years to push the Muslims out of Europe, one battle at a time. Today there is a lot of confusion about this. Many Christians in my lifetime have tried to second guess, the military nature of Christians throughout history, and disassociate themselves from it; because they look at history with the cultural sunglasses of their hippy movement. Their Jesus just sat around playing a guitar and singing, would try to bring about world peace by spitting on the military, and would never expect Christians to defend their faith; it has caused the Church to become very weak, and is totally out of touch with what Christians were throughout history. It could result in unnecessary genocides of Christians. There are times when it is right to suffer and forgive, and there are times when it is right to fight to defend the faith. We will have wars, we will be persecuted, and nothing has changed. Carry a gun if you can, suffer as a martyr with honor if you can’t carry a gun, just make sure there is a point to it.

]]> By: Mike LaSalle http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-24687 Mike LaSalle Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:51:15 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/#comment-24687 Kottayam, India can be viewed via <a href="http://map.google.com" rel="nofollow">map.google.com</a>. It appears to be in South India. Mumbai appears to be the closest U.S. Consulate: http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/contact_information.html Another contact list at Chennai, India: http://chennai.usconsulate.gov/contact.html Kottayam, India can be viewed via map.google.com. It appears to be in South India. Mumbai appears to be the closest U.S. Consulate:
http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/contact_information.html

Another contact list at Chennai, India:
http://chennai.usconsulate.gov/contact.html

]]> By: Will Malven http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-24686 Will Malven Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:36:47 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/#comment-24686 This is an intolerable situation. Where is the outrage over these killings? Why is this not the leading story in events occurring in the Asian Pacific part of our globe? Paul, our prayers go out to you and your friends. May God protect you and all from these outrageous acts. Fellow Bloggers, I urge you to flood the internet with this tale. Make this the issue it should be. Force the Liberal press which has expressed so much outrage over the deaths and treatment of Muslim terrorists acknowledge this story and report it. Here's my blog on it: http://houstonconservative.com/2006/12/where-is-liberal-outrage-where-is.html This is an intolerable situation.

Where is the outrage over these killings? Why is this not the leading story in events occurring in the Asian Pacific part of our globe?

Paul, our prayers go out to you and your friends. May God protect you and all from these outrageous acts.

Fellow Bloggers, I urge you to flood the internet with this tale. Make this the issue it should be. Force the Liberal press which has expressed so much outrage over the deaths and treatment of Muslim terrorists acknowledge this story and report it.

Here’s my blog on it:
http://houstonconservative.com/2006/12/where-is-liberal-outrage-where-is.html

]]> By: Mike LaSalle http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-24666 Mike LaSalle Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:49:53 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/14/persecuting-and-brutally-murdering-christians/#comment-24666 Paul, we wish you and your family the best outcome. God bless you. Mike Paul, we wish you and your family the best outcome. God bless you.

Mike

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