Bigger government necessitates higher taxes. When government became The Big Mommy, or usually, when it replaces fathers in families: The Big Daddy, it took over roles and responsibilities left to the individual/family. Everyone ends up paying for someone else’s Big Mommy or Big Daddy. The government grabs more power, extracts more taxes and consequently takes more and more freedom. The politicians see the advantages in doing this (for themselves that is) and are forever finding new ways to grow government and extract taxes. I am not suggesting to you that it ALL boils down to feminism-I’ll agree there are other areas where government power has grown, taxes have gone up-and not in response to feminism. But I will propose that feminism is among the greatest of sources of the government’s increase in size, increase in intruding on private matters, increase in taxation, and the taking of individual rights/ freedoms (primarily men’s)over the past 40 years.

1) There is no inherent right to make bad choices.
2) Some are forced to live with the bad choices made by others. So those some have no “real freedom”. Libertarianism is about the enslavement of non-libertarians for the benefit of libertarian.

***** To legislate morality in our country *****

Congratulations! You’ve just defined what “law” is. Criminalizing thievery is a legislation of morality. And law is obviously something that you’re allergic to, though thievery may not be.

*****is no different than Islam. I’d rather go to hell *****

Don’t toy with me.

***** With over 900 religions in the world, why should I believe that they have somehow seized on the correct one? *****

With thousands of political parties in the world, why should anyone believe that Libertarians represent the correct one?

***** You’re afraid that your power over We the People is going to be broken in the next election aren’t you?*****

Libertarians, as I have mentioned before, have done a pretty good job of corrupting the morals of several generations without the advantage of formal political power.

But as for a formal auto-de-fe involving the enshrinement of the Libertarian Party as the ruling party, that will happen on the day that Liechtenstein invades China.

***** Please, bad mouth us all you want, even bad publicity is better than no publicity. *****

Yeah, and those are the two choices that you’re left with. An odd attitude coming from someone who expects to be anointed king at the end of the next cycle.

Do you or do you not favor legalized prostitution? Yes or no? In one breath, you say that “we” allow it and “we” don’t favor it.

Is a Libertarian society one in which prostitution is allowed to take place? Do you favor its legalization? Yes or no? Stop running from the question! Obviously, Libertarians do not have even the saving grace of integrity and answer questions like any politician would.

***** Liberty for everyone is accomplished when all citizens are FREE to do as they please as long as the Rights of other citizens ar not violated.*****

There is no such animal. That is Yippie Party barnyard residue. A society in which citizens are FREE to engage in prostitution is a society in which other citizens are victimized by the prevalence of prostitution in their neighborhoods.

Libertarianism is moral socialism, benefitting the morally unfit at the expense of the morally fit.

To legislate morality in our country is no different than Islam. I’d rather go to hell than have someone else decide what is right and wrong for me based on their personal beliefs. With over 900 religions in the world, why should I believe that they have somehow seized on the correct one?

I’ve never seen the Repusicans and Democrats so scared.

You’re afraid that your power over We the People is going to be broken in the next election aren’t you?

Please, bad mouth us all you want, even bad publicity is better than no publicity.

We want people to know that we exist and that they do have other choices besides the Gay Old Pedophile party and the Demoncrats.

And, you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. Hopefully, these two corrupt parties will end up in the dustbin of history and We the People will once again be free.

Let the Sunshine in!

He doesn’t have the guts to say that he favors legalized prostitution in so many words”

This is the difference between Libertarians and the others. Any act of Liberty is allowed, even prostitution, ESPECIALLY when we ourselves don’t favor these acts. It’s called LIBERTY. Liberty for everyone is accomplished when all citizens are FREE to do as they please as long as the Rights of other citizens ar not violated.

grizzlieantagonist, your use of words like cowardly, and weasel indicates you’re here to pick a fight. What you have to say isn’t worth any further effort to counter it.

chas said,

“I think we are mature enough that we wouldn’t have a problem with Libertarians saying “We like Amsterdam with the freer attitudes toward recreational drugs and prostitution and we want to try to make America more like that, vote for us.”

As stated before, these acts are covered under States Rights in the Constitution. Whether these acts are legal or not is up to state legislatures, not the Federal butt-wipes in DC. As for favor or not favor, that’s not the point. Look at the record. Look at the war on drugs. It has made criminals out of honest citizens, ruined lives and destroyed families. I would go so far as to say the war on drugs has destroyed more lives and families than the drugs themselves ever could have. How about prostitution? Here, an act that is perfectly legal as long as no cash or material thing changes hands and is suddenly illegal because cash is introduced into the equation.

All Libertarians believe first in the Constitution and States’ Rights. After that it is up to the individual to lobby his/her state legislature.

The existing Federal gov’t, while not entirely illegal, is repugnant to the Constitution and is held together by usurption of powers, thinly veiled loopholes, and a system of debt that is legal only as long as we remain in a constant state of emergency, giving the President special powers over the economy such as removing us from the gold standard. The Constitution requires that gold and silver are to be the only money used by The People. The American people are living a lie and I’m sure it will be the downfall of the greatest Constitutional Republic in history. Sieg Heil das Amerikan Federal gov’t.

I think we are mature enough that we wouldn’t have a problem with Libertarians saying “We like Amsterdam with the freer attitudes toward recreational drugs and prostitution and we want to try to make America more like that, vote for us.”
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As I indicated before, there are large segments of America ALREADY like that. I see them in the court system every day.

I would give the Libertarians a few points for HONESTY, if nothing else, if they were forthright enough to admit that this is what they want.

Instead, notice how the Libertarians in this blog are skirting the issue of what life would be like in a Libertarian society and instead wrapping themselves in the flag

Do libertarians also favor motherhood and apple pie? And being kind to stray dogs?

And what about the Republicans? And the Democrats (who, of course, are the guiding force behind the supposedly independent libertarian politics)? They both say that they favor the U.S. Constitution also and can cite chapter and verse for examples that make this point to their own satisfaction.

So does every U.S. political party pay lip service to the Constitution.

The fact is, of course, that libertarians do not favor the U.S. Constitution and can often be heard speaking out against it when they are not running for office.

The Constitution prescribes limits on everyone, and libertarians do not believe in limits — at least not on libertarians.

In the criminal court system, I deal with people who have already tasted the benefits of libertarianism. They abuse drugs because some libertarian told them that the right to abuse drugs is a birth right.

They have kids out of wedlock and often abuse or abandon those kids — because some libertarian told them that their rights to pleasure and self-fulfillment, as well as their reproductive rights were sacrosanct.

They engage in antisocial behavior which often breaks the law because some libertarian told them that the laws are unjust and that no one had the right to impose his ideas of morality upon them.

The Federalists, who were largely responsible for the U.S. Constitution, were NOT libertarians. They passed the Alien & Sedition Acts during the Adams administration. To the extent that those laws are still in force, they should be enforced against libertarians.

He doesn’t have the guts to say that he favors legalized prostitution in so many words.

Instead he says: “During both of my campaigns, I didn’t have a position on legalized prostitution. Still don’t have one; got more important things to worry about than what 2 consenting adults are doing.”

In other words, he favors legalized prostitution. Legalized prostitution is a libertarian position. But he senses that this would confirm people’s impression that libertarianism means nothing more than pot, pussy & acid.

So instead of saying outright that he and other libertarians favor legalized prostitution, he gives a weasel answer.

With fathers around the nation losing their families (and often their own lives) over this BS “Family Law System”, some of you here would rather waste time worrying about prostitution.

Do you really have THAT much free time Chas?

Thomas Lessman

State governments each have their own constitution. If a certain state says that drugs are illegal, and the power to do so has been granted to them by their constituents, then, the people in that state are bound by their decision.

To many people seem to believe that the Federal government has power over the states and they do. Those powers that were specifically granted to the Feds via the Constitution. And nothing else.

In essence, a libertarian believes that state government is the place where the people have elected to be their main source of governance.

The Federal government only exists to serve as an interface between the state governments.

The liberals claim to believe in “diversity”. Prove it by recognizing each states right to make their own laws whether you agree with their laws or not!

The only condition is that the states cannot violate the inalianable rights of the people enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

It would be nice if people had a choice as to what laws they want to abide by exercised via moving to the state whose laws most closely match their own beliefs.

BTW, how did the Federal government get so powerfull? See the 16th amendment to the Constitution and then research as to whether or not that amendment was lawfully passed….and then research why the 16th amendment had to be implemented….and why it is bankrupting our country today.

The posters are right when they say that something approximating libertarianism was the dominant political philosophy at the time of the Founding Fathers. At the time, however, it was just known as “liberalism,” and it later came to be called “Classical Liberalism” so as to distinguish it from the new, socialist variety.

But there’s a big difference between those “libertarians” and most of today’s. At the time of the founding people were quite Christian in nature, which means they were self-governing. One of our founders said, “If men are not governed from the inside by Jesus Christ, they will be governed from the outside by totalitarianism.” In contrast, today’s libertarians tend to be secular (although there are exceptions), which means that their priorities and behavior are quite different. And, as many have pointed out already, libertarianism has become a flag that many liberals wrap themselves in to gain credibility and make themselves feel noble.

Perhaps a real life example will serve best. Bill Maher, the comedian, claimed he was a libertarian. So, one day many years ago I watched him on “Politically Incorrect.” They were talking about the fact that certain pharmacies refused to sell contraception because it was contrary to their owners’ religious beliefs. Well, Maher was taken aback and opined that such a thing shouldn’t be allowed. Do I have to explain what’s wrong with this picture?

But Maher is a good example of many who CLAIM to be libertarians. He’s immature and dull — a complete political moron who doesn’t even understand his own professed beliefs. So I have some advice for authentic libertarians, if you want to gain credibility, stop expending political capital on issues like the legalization of marijuana. I understand that drugs were legal for much of American history and that this position is in step with libertarianism, but with government as big as can be imagined, this isn’t something you should be going to the mat for. Words to the wise.

There are 10 key differences and they are affiliated with the Constitution. Since Democracy doesn’t have these 10 key differences, Democracy is the same as a dictatorship.

All of the “socialistic” countries keep saying that they are a democracy, and they are…

Would you want to live in China, Cuba or North Korea?

When Bush says that we are spreading democracy, it is an insult to all of us. He might as well be saying communism. But, if he used that word, well, people just might take offense at our troops being used to spread communism. I know I do.

OT: Hi Thomas Lessman. Haven’t seen you since the Wilbur Street memorial in Jersey. I was the guy with the dogs.

Rest of you people want to sit around on your asses bitching; Mr. Lessman fights for what he believes in. He has run for office several times in his state. The Libertarian Party, through advocating Rights enumerated in the Constitution, fights for parents’ rights, for men’s rights, for EVERYONE’s rights.
Anyone that feels they can give up rights, buffet style, deserves no rights whatsoever. America is not their country. They would be better served in a nice cozy, safe dictatorship, instead of bypassing our Constitution and making America into a Land of Democratic Despots.

As for the drug issues that have been raised, pay attention to whether or not the Federal Government has the power to declare drug use illegal. Ah, I’ll save you the effort, it is not one of the enumerated powers that were granted to the Federal government. The States reserved that right to themselves by it NOT being in Constitution. If your State makes it illegal, they have that right and vice versa. The Federal government is involved in many, many areas that are not enumerated in the Constitution and are subsequently illegal.

If everyone understood and abided by the Constitution, then we would all be libertarians. Not war mongering republicans hoping to make a buck off the misery of others or, free riding democrats who want others to do their work for them. But, at least the republicans believe in working…even if their objective is start wars. The demoncrats think that they should be free to do anything that they want just so long as you and I are footing the bill (slavery) for their pleasures. Both parties must be infiltrated by satan in order to be so evil…