Comments on: Musings on the Religion of Science http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:12:59 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Elder George http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-26363 Elder George Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:46:32 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-26363 To Chas, Thanks for your comments. I imagine that the "discovery" that the Earth rotated around the Sun made the list of 100; if not Copernicus and Galileo must be very disappointed. Their discovery was suppressed by white Christian men and the Catholic Church did not lift its ban on the teachings of these men until less than 200 years ago. Long before these white Christian men the Mithraics had calculated the perception of the earth through the Zodiac. The Mayans calculated the rotation of the earth around the Sun to within three seconds a year. Long before the Mayans, astronomers and astrologers in India and China new that the earth went around the Sun. The pyramid builders knew it as did the builders of the Sphinx. All these civilizations knew the earth rotated around the Sun and they acquired this knowledge without telescopes. What white Christian men call a discovery the whole world knew beforehand. It was only a discovery to the European. I won't explain my challenges to the germ theory, periodic table and whatever else they came up with except to say they are no more real than latitude and longitude, left and right, and North, East, South, and West. To Chas,

Thanks for your comments. I imagine that the “discovery” that the Earth rotated around the Sun made the list of 100; if not Copernicus and Galileo must be very disappointed. Their discovery was suppressed by white Christian men and the Catholic Church did not lift its ban on the teachings of these men until less than 200 years ago.

Long before these white Christian men the Mithraics had calculated the perception of the earth through the Zodiac. The Mayans calculated the rotation of the earth around the Sun to within three seconds a year. Long before the Mayans, astronomers and astrologers in India and China new that the earth went around the Sun. The pyramid builders knew it as did the builders of the Sphinx. All these civilizations knew the earth rotated around the Sun and they acquired this knowledge without telescopes. What white Christian men call a discovery the whole world knew beforehand. It was only a discovery to the European.

I won’t explain my challenges to the germ theory, periodic table and whatever else they came up with except to say they are no more real than latitude and longitude, left and right, and North, East, South, and West.

]]> By: chas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-26332 chas Tue, 02 Jan 2007 02:16:37 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-26332 I was just watching science channel 100 greatest discoveries, which almost all were made by white Christian men, and none were made by atheist-materialist-scientists. I didn’t have to force myself to watch it. I really enjoyed it. They kept saying over and over “so this really changed the world,” which they should correct to more accurately state “so this really changed how we understand and explain the world. The thing I found most interesting is that however they decided to vote for the top 10 discoveries by polling their viewers they ended up with, as more important than the periodic table of the elements that is the backbone of the high tech lifestyle we live, as more important than germ theory which made unparalleled improvements in the health in all of our lives, the science channel viewers thought the most important discovery was Charles Darwin’s theory. Maybe someday I’ll try to make a case that their Jesus is Darwin. From what I can see the only effect Charles Darwin had on us was demythification of our origin. I also found it surprising that they allowed a quote to remain in the script that I had never heard, about Charles Darwin by his wife expressing her fears that they would end up in two different places. I was just watching science channel 100 greatest discoveries, which almost all were made by white Christian men, and none were made by atheist-materialist-scientists. I didn’t have to force myself to watch it. I really enjoyed it. They kept saying over and over “so this really changed the world,” which they should correct to more accurately state “so this really changed how we understand and explain the world. The thing I found most interesting is that however they decided to vote for the top 10 discoveries by polling their viewers they ended up with, as more important than the periodic table of the elements that is the backbone of the high tech lifestyle we live, as more important than germ theory which made unparalleled improvements in the health in all of our lives, the science channel viewers thought the most important discovery was Charles Darwin’s theory. Maybe someday I’ll try to make a case that their Jesus is Darwin. From what I can see the only effect Charles Darwin had on us was demythification of our origin. I also found it surprising that they allowed a quote to remain in the script that I had never heard, about Charles Darwin by his wife expressing her fears that they would end up in two different places.

]]> By: chas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-26004 chas Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:26:55 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-26004 Science at its best is temporary, and limited. Little of what I was taught in school still is taught. Science has always been something that had to be restrained because its nature is to provide material answers to all questions. Like the movie Contact said 95% of the people on the planet disagree with that nonsense. Science also has a problem in its pantheistic assumptions of previous generations of scientists. Is it necessary for gravity and other laws of science to be impersonal forces? I prefer animistic explanations for the world. Humans can understand the material universe but know we are more than that. Humans can understand the plant part of the world but know we are more than that. Humans can connect with the animal spirits but know we are more than that. Humans can connect with other spirits, angels, demons, but know we are more than that. Humans can connect to Satan or to God but know we are more than that. Some Christians think only God is out there. I think there is plenty of evidence that God has left lots of personal spirit beings with the responsibilities of maintaining the order of the universe, and some oppose God others obey God. No matter how much effort science uses to beat us into thinking we are only material, someone will come along and create another Harry Potter story, and satisfy the hunger created by the scientists. Science at its best is temporary, and limited. Little of what I was taught in school still is taught. Science has always been something that had to be restrained because its nature is to provide material answers to all questions. Like the movie Contact said 95% of the people on the planet disagree with that nonsense. Science also has a problem in its pantheistic assumptions of previous generations of scientists. Is it necessary for gravity and other laws of science to be impersonal forces? I prefer animistic explanations for the world. Humans can understand the material universe but know we are more than that. Humans can understand the plant part of the world but know we are more than that. Humans can connect with the animal spirits but know we are more than that. Humans can connect with other spirits, angels, demons, but know we are more than that. Humans can connect to Satan or to God but know we are more than that. Some Christians think only God is out there. I think there is plenty of evidence that God has left lots of personal spirit beings with the responsibilities of maintaining the order of the universe, and some oppose God others obey God. No matter how much effort science uses to beat us into thinking we are only material, someone will come along and create another Harry Potter story, and satisfy the hunger created by the scientists.

]]> By: conservativation http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-26002 conservativation Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:36:42 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-26002 Dead on correct sir....No pun. Dead on correct sir….No pun.

]]> By: Elder George http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-26001 Elder George Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:35:54 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-26001 To concervativation, Your comments touched on the reasoning supporting the immortality of the soul. No matter how much we try, we cannot imagine ourselves as not being. We might see our bodies in the coffin, but who is doing the seeing? It's an intersting exercise to try; imagine that you no longer exist. To concervativation,

Your comments touched on the reasoning supporting the immortality of the soul. No matter how much we try, we cannot imagine ourselves as not being. We might see our bodies in the coffin, but who is doing the seeing? It’s an intersting exercise to try; imagine that you no longer exist.

]]> By: Elder George http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-25999 Elder George Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:27:06 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-25999 Big Shooter said, "Science has demolished relgion." Religion and science are on the same materialistic plane. Religion is the feminization of the truth, which comes from the unseen. The feminine principle materializes and peronalizes the impersonal concepts of the unseen. This is especially true of Constantineism, which we call Christianity. European thought created both science and Christianity, it cannot deal with what is unseen, which is knowledge; instead it creates belief systems and then requires others to worship them. Big Shooter said, “Science has demolished relgion.”

Religion and science are on the same materialistic plane. Religion is the feminization of the truth, which comes from the unseen. The feminine principle materializes and peronalizes the impersonal concepts of the unseen. This is especially true of Constantineism, which we call Christianity. European thought created both science and Christianity, it cannot deal with what is unseen, which is knowledge; instead it creates belief systems and then requires others to worship them.

]]> By: conservativation http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-25990 conservativation Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:36:58 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-25990 I respect Elder Gearge for one thing...he falls either intentionally or unintentionally into pointing out the dilemma that blows Big shooter away with an even bigger shooter. It's is very self satisfying to embrace science, especially if you have more then an average acumen in yechnical and scientific matters. I suffered this condition for years having excelled in the sciences and graduating in the top of the chemical engineering class, wow, I knew it all, or what I didn't know I thought I only needed to pursue the information from the "scientist" responsible and my superior grasp of physics and chemistry and those dang LaPlacian transforms would enable me to at least have a basic understanding of everything. The problems with my set of beliefs were many, but one I think is shared by most psuedo techno intellectuals...that is that I ASSUMED someone somewhere had an answer to evetrything, scientifically, and therefore I needn't bother to nail down conclusively every single question. There simply could not be a question that science couldn't answer, right? And when I heard people make the point I'm about to make I found it sophmoric, even juvenile. But, as I got older and never lost my fascination with science even well outside my field, and read about astrophysics (no, I do not claim to understand that stuff, but laymans articles geared for an audience like me have always fascinated me)and I watched the ridiculous hoops and proposed invented "constants" and existence of things unobservable and unmeasurable just to make the math balance I realized it was not viable beyond a certain point. Dark Matter? Come on folks. Just because the equation balances now sure isn't enough for me. But you don't seem to see this as a belief in the unseen because scientists say it. My main point though Big shooter, and the one rarely address, I guess due to its simplicity, is what is the math that represents the existence of NOTHING, and from that subsequestly SOMETHING? Children raise this question, "Where did God come from?" Good one! Where did anything come from? Big shooters friends will start with the Big Bang, NEVER pondering before, and before that, and before that. There is not one single theory explaining or even attempting top explain the literal existence of nothing, pure nothingness, our minds cannot get around that concept. Thats where the supernatural MUST come in, regardless what kind of supernatural, it MUST be supernatural, and Elder George does a great job alluding always to this fact. I respect Elder Gearge for one thing…he falls either intentionally or unintentionally into pointing out the dilemma that blows Big shooter away with an even bigger shooter. It’s is very self satisfying to embrace science, especially if you have more then an average acumen in yechnical and scientific matters. I suffered this condition for years having excelled in the sciences and graduating in the top of the chemical engineering class, wow, I knew it all, or what I didn’t know I thought I only needed to pursue the information from the “scientist” responsible and my superior grasp of physics and chemistry and those dang LaPlacian transforms would enable me to at least have a basic understanding of everything. The problems with my set of beliefs were many, but one I think is shared by most psuedo techno intellectuals…that is that I ASSUMED someone somewhere had an answer to evetrything, scientifically, and therefore I needn’t bother to nail down conclusively every single question. There simply could not be a question that science couldn’t answer, right? And when I heard people make the point I’m about to make I found it sophmoric, even juvenile. But, as I got older and never lost my fascination with science even well outside my field, and read about astrophysics (no, I do not claim to understand that stuff, but laymans articles geared for an audience like me have always fascinated me)and I watched the ridiculous hoops and proposed invented “constants” and existence of things unobservable and unmeasurable just to make the math balance I realized it was not viable beyond a certain point. Dark Matter? Come on folks. Just because the equation balances now sure isn’t enough for me. But you don’t seem to see this as a belief in the unseen because scientists say it.

My main point though Big shooter, and the one rarely address, I guess due to its simplicity, is what is the math that represents the existence of NOTHING, and from that subsequestly SOMETHING? Children raise this question, “Where did God come from?” Good one! Where did anything come from? Big shooters friends will start with the Big Bang, NEVER pondering before, and before that, and before that. There is not one single theory explaining or even attempting top explain the literal existence of nothing, pure nothingness, our minds cannot get around that concept.
Thats where the supernatural MUST come in, regardless what kind of supernatural, it MUST be supernatural, and Elder George does a great job alluding always to this fact.

]]> By: Big shooter http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-25985 Big shooter Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:14:32 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-25985 A rambling incoherent collection of specious non sequiturs from reactionary superstitions. Science has demolished religion. A rambling incoherent collection of specious non sequiturs from reactionary superstitions. Science has demolished religion.

]]> By: Elder George http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-25959 Elder George Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:55:41 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-25959 To Palinurus, Very well said. You have succinctly described the limited ability of Western man to deal with the unseen. Knowledge is not proveable, it is understood. It is unseen. Since Western man cannot understand other than what he can see, he lives in a world devoid of knowledge but drowning in information. That's why he can't resolve any of the issues facing him and is also the reason he can't do anything about feminism, the symptom of his inability to understand and excercise his manhood. To Palinurus,

Very well said. You have succinctly described the limited ability of Western man to deal with the unseen. Knowledge is not proveable, it is understood. It is unseen. Since Western man cannot understand other than what he can see, he lives in a world devoid of knowledge but drowning in information. That’s why he can’t resolve any of the issues facing him and is also the reason he can’t do anything about feminism, the symptom of his inability to understand and excercise his manhood.

]]> By: Palinurus http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-25955 Palinurus Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:15:24 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-25955 This article represents nothing more than a profound ignorance of the philosophy of science, refracted by the author's own bizarre beliefs, for which proof is neither forthcoming nor possible. The irony is palpable. Possibly the Godhead speaking through his masculine principle has something to say on this, but I strangely seem to have lost interest. This article represents nothing more than a profound ignorance of the philosophy of science, refracted by the author’s own bizarre beliefs, for which proof is neither forthcoming nor possible. The irony is palpable. Possibly the Godhead speaking through his masculine principle has something to say on this, but I strangely seem to have lost interest.

]]> By: amfortas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-25908 amfortas Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:47:12 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-25908 EXTREME CARE. Blow Job Warnings. This screen message consists of minute electrically charged particles moving at velocities in excess of Five Hundred Million Miles P/hr. If these particles gang up, they could blow your underpants off along with anything contained within. Also... The Mass of the computer screen you are viewing contains the energy equivalent of 85 Mega-tons of TNT per nett ounce of weight. No liability will be entertained if you are sitting within reading distance when it goes off. Now, y'all be careful and say your prayers now. EXTREME CARE. Blow Job Warnings.

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]]> By: Roger Knight http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-religion-of-science/comment-page-1/#comment-25904 Roger Knight Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:15:26 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/27/musings-on-the-relgion-of-science/#comment-25904 Actually, I prefer engineering to science. You see, science seems to be all about theories and proofs and such. Whereas in engineering, the only question is: Does the damn thing work? If it works then the questions we ask are: Is it safe to use? Can we make it work better? Can we build it for less money? The MSM, being made up of sub-atomic particles called morons and peons, will say something truly stupid as, "Scientists developed a gizmo that allows mariners to manufacture fresh water out of saltwater." No, it would be engineers who would develop such a device. Scientists merely determine the salinity of salt water and observe the phenomenon that when water evaporates, the steam is not salty and when such steam condenses, the resulting liquid is free of salt. It is the engineer who comes up with a device that uses such phenomenon. Whatever religion there may be with scientists, the religion of the engineer is to make practical devices that meet a need and work, and are safe and reliable. As possible within the cost the customer is willing to pay. Kinda like capitalism. Actually, I prefer engineering to science.
You see, science seems to be all about theories and proofs and such.
Whereas in engineering, the only question is:
Does the damn thing work?
If it works then the questions we ask are:
Is it safe to use? Can we make it work better?
Can we build it for less money?
The MSM, being made up of sub-atomic particles called morons and peons, will say something truly stupid as, “Scientists developed a gizmo that allows mariners to manufacture fresh water out of saltwater.”
No, it would be engineers who would develop such a device. Scientists merely determine the salinity of salt water and observe the phenomenon that when water evaporates, the steam is not salty and when such steam condenses, the resulting liquid is free of salt. It is the engineer who comes up with a device that uses such phenomenon.
Whatever religion there may be with scientists, the religion of the engineer is to make practical devices that meet a need and work, and are safe and reliable. As possible within the cost the customer is willing to pay.
Kinda like capitalism.

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