Comments on: Two Cheers for the Cleavers – and their real-life counterparts http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/05/two-cheers-for-the-cleavers-%e2%80%93-and-their-real-life-counterparts/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: M. Kemp http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/05/two-cheers-for-the-cleavers-%e2%80%93-and-their-real-life-counterparts/comment-page-1/#comment-26936 M. Kemp Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:55:18 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/05/two-cheers-for-the-cleavers-%e2%80%93-and-their-real-life-counterparts/#comment-26936 Excellent points, Denise. The homemaker role has been looked down upon for far too long. I'm an at home dad (10+ years now) and can attest that many people view it as being of secondary importance, at most. In fact, of course, the opposite is true. Of course the Cleavers were idealized and as such are derided today. That may be fair. But what's worse is what we have today on TV - completely dysfunctional families with most adults (especially men) portrayed as blithering idiots. Give me "Leave It To Beaver," even with Eddie Haskell, any day. Excellent points, Denise. The homemaker role has been looked down upon for far too long. I’m an at home dad (10+ years now) and can attest that many people view it as being of secondary importance, at most. In fact, of course, the opposite is true. Of course the Cleavers were idealized and as such are derided today. That may be fair. But what’s worse is what we have today on TV – completely dysfunctional families with most adults (especially men) portrayed as blithering idiots. Give me “Leave It To Beaver,” even with Eddie Haskell, any day.

]]> By: amfortas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/05/two-cheers-for-the-cleavers-%e2%80%93-and-their-real-life-counterparts/comment-page-1/#comment-26746 amfortas Sat, 06 Jan 2007 06:00:25 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/05/two-cheers-for-the-cleavers-%e2%80%93-and-their-real-life-counterparts/#comment-26746 Nice illustrated evaluation, Denise. Be thankful that the Dworkin woman has carked it or she would have been around your place denouncing you and ripping your eyeballs out. (Violence is OK when a woman does it, I understand). She would be screaming that you were denying June Cleaver retaining her sanity; absolving the wicked patriarchal system etc etc. But, no June any more. Plenty of eyeballls bloodshot from all the tears though. Nice illustrated evaluation, Denise. Be thankful that the Dworkin woman has carked it or she would have been around your place denouncing you and ripping your eyeballs out. (Violence is OK when a woman does it, I understand).

She would be screaming that you were denying June Cleaver retaining her sanity; absolving the wicked patriarchal system etc etc.

But, no June any more. Plenty of eyeballls bloodshot from all the tears though.

]]> By: Marcus Tee http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/05/two-cheers-for-the-cleavers-%e2%80%93-and-their-real-life-counterparts/comment-page-1/#comment-26710 Marcus Tee Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:56:30 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/05/two-cheers-for-the-cleavers-%e2%80%93-and-their-real-life-counterparts/#comment-26710 Denise, I can wholeheartedly agree with your evaluation of the Cleavers. If people were more like them the world would be just a little more sane. And, now that I read this article, it has given me a new idea for my next blog: "Was Eddie Haskell such a rascal?" As you know, there were other "friends" of Beaver and Wally's that as bad as Eddie. Marcus Tee Denise,

I can wholeheartedly agree with your evaluation of the Cleavers. If people were more like them the world would be just a little more sane. And, now that I read this article, it has given me a new idea for my next blog: “Was Eddie Haskell such a rascal?”
As you know, there were other “friends” of Beaver and Wally’s that as bad as Eddie.

Marcus Tee

]]> By: John Dias http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/05/two-cheers-for-the-cleavers-%e2%80%93-and-their-real-life-counterparts/comment-page-1/#comment-26696 John Dias Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:32:49 +0000 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/05/two-cheers-for-the-cleavers-%e2%80%93-and-their-real-life-counterparts/#comment-26696 If this is in the context of family (women choosing to be housewives), I can see how the family and the children could benefit. But if the women are leaving careers to settle down with other single men (or if they get married and have no children), the goal is obviously not for the women to be nurturing housewives. It's to avoid the rigor of the workplace, and instead rely on the labor of a man to sail them into easy retirement. If this is in the context of family (women choosing to be housewives), I can see how the family and the children could benefit. But if the women are leaving careers to settle down with other single men (or if they get married and have no children), the goal is obviously not for the women to be nurturing housewives. It’s to avoid the rigor of the workplace, and instead rely on the labor of a man to sail them into easy retirement.

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