Men who want to take their wives’ names should not be discriminated against

2007-01-13
By

Michael Buday wants to become Michael Bijon. He is the husband of Diana Bijon and wants to take her surname because, he says, “Diana’s dad has become my father figure and I want to honor that.”

The problem is that, in most states, it is more difficult and expensive for a man to take his wife’s surname than for a woman to take her husband’s surname. Only six states currently allow a man to change his name to his wife’s as easily as vice versa. Those accommodating six are Georgia (which I’m proud to say is my state), Hawaii, Iowa, Massachusetts, New York, and North Dakota.

Michael Buday lives in California. According to an ABC News report on the case by Michelle Rittner published in Men’s News Daily, “Under California state law, he needed to pay more than $300, go to court, file a petition, and publicly advertise his name change for four weeks in a local newspaper. If he had simply gone along with tradition, it would have cost only $50 to $80.” He is contesting the law in court.

The tradition of the wife – and children – taking the husband’s name did not evolve for arbitrary reasons. Nor did it originate as a mechanism for this supposedly “man’s world” to oppress women and deny their identities. It evolved in large part because the special biological vulnerabilities women had because of their relative weakness and propensity to pregnancy meant that they were not historically well-equipped to protect and provide for themselves. Thus, men, usually fathers or husbands, were expected by society to shoulder those responsibilities. Women took the husband’s name because he took on the burden of their protection and support.

Having children inherit the husband’s surname guaranteed legal fathers for those born inside wedlock. There was little dispute about mothers since the biological process of childbirth meant that the identity of a mother was rarely in dispute.

However, the practice of taking on the husband’s name has always caused difficulties for some people. Men who hate their surnames were obliged to pass them along to their wives and on to their young. Of the few cases I’ve read about in which men – often at extra expense and trouble – took their wives’ names, they have tended to be men who did not like the surnames with which they were born. I recall a fellow named Michael Hitler who took his wife’s surname on marriage and continued using that name after their divorce. In another case, a news article stated, “It’s not that he’s wishy-washy” but a man whose last name was Wishy believed any possible children of his and his wife’s union would be better off as McQueens than as Wishys.

One problem with the tradition of passing surnames on through men was that families with only daughters saw their names die out.

Today there is no compelling reason to foist the custom of the wife’s taking the husband’s surname on those who prefer to do otherwise. Men who want to take their wives’ surnames should face no discrimination in the form of extra costs or difficulties.

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  • grizzlieantagonist

    **** Men who want to take their wives’ names should not be discriminated against ****

    No, they should be executed.

  • grizzlieantagonist

    **** Men who want to take their wives’ names should not be discriminated against ****

    No, they should be executed.

  • grizzlieantagonist

    **** Men who want to take their wives’ names should not be discriminated against ****

    No, they should be executed.

  • donnieboy57

    True story: My son is an only child. He was engaged to a very lefty feminist. He came to me and said that he was going to take her last name because “your adopted anyway and so thats not really your name or mine.” I asked him whos idea that was. “Hers”, he says but could not look me in the eye. Fortunately, they broke up.

  • donnieboy57

    True story: My son is an only child. He was engaged to a very lefty feminist. He came to me and said that he was going to take her last name because “your adopted anyway and so thats not really your name or mine.” I asked him whos idea that was. “Hers”, he says but could not look me in the eye. Fortunately, they broke up.

  • donnieboy57

    True story: My son is an only child. He was engaged to a very lefty feminist. He came to me and said that he was going to take her last name because “your adopted anyway and so thats not really your name or mine.” I asked him whos idea that was. “Hers”, he says but could not look me in the eye. Fortunately, they broke up.

  • luna

    what does it matter? taking your wife’s maiden name is essentially taking her father’s last name, correct? either way you have a man’s last name.

  • luna

    what does it matter? taking your wife’s maiden name is essentially taking her father’s last name, correct? either way you have a man’s last name.

  • luna

    what does it matter? taking your wife’s maiden name is essentially taking her father’s last name, correct? either way you have a man’s last name.

  • http://disenfranchisedfather.blogspot.com JD

    A rose by any other name… (sorry, couldn’t resist)

    I’m not sure I can completely agree with this:

    “It evolved in large part because the special biological vulnerabilities women had because of their relative weakness and propensity to pregnancy meant that they were not historically well-equipped to protect and provide for themselves.”

    I suspect that this may also be a case where the feminists have a point with their prattling on about the patriarchy (that many women can’t be wrong all of the time) and arguments of chattel, etc. but it may be hard to tell the difference between one and the other.

    Either way, I think people should be allowed to change, or not change, their names as they wish. It’s their business, not ours, and the issue is far less consequential than, for example, the rights of the father no matter what name his children carry.

  • http://disenfranchisedfather.blogspot.com JD

    A rose by any other name… (sorry, couldn’t resist)

    I’m not sure I can completely agree with this:

    “It evolved in large part because the special biological vulnerabilities women had because of their relative weakness and propensity to pregnancy meant that they were not historically well-equipped to protect and provide for themselves.”

    I suspect that this may also be a case where the feminists have a point with their prattling on about the patriarchy (that many women can’t be wrong all of the time) and arguments of chattel, etc. but it may be hard to tell the difference between one and the other.

    Either way, I think people should be allowed to change, or not change, their names as they wish. It’s their business, not ours, and the issue is far less consequential than, for example, the rights of the father no matter what name his children carry.

  • http://disenfranchisedfather.blogspot.com JD

    A rose by any other name… (sorry, couldn’t resist)

    I’m not sure I can completely agree with this:

    “It evolved in large part because the special biological vulnerabilities women had because of their relative weakness and propensity to pregnancy meant that they were not historically well-equipped to protect and provide for themselves.”

    I suspect that this may also be a case where the feminists have a point with their prattling on about the patriarchy (that many women can’t be wrong all of the time) and arguments of chattel, etc. but it may be hard to tell the difference between one and the other.

    Either way, I think people should be allowed to change, or not change, their names as they wish. It’s their business, not ours, and the issue is far less consequential than, for example, the rights of the father no matter what name his children carry.

  • Zoro

    “…It evolved in large part because the special biological vulnerabilities women had because of their relative weakness and propensity to pregnancy meant that they were not historically well-equipped to protect and provide for themselves. Thus, men, usually fathers or husbands, were expected by society to shoulder those responsibilities. Women took the husband’s name because he took on the burden of their protection and support.”

    Golly, you sorta make up stuff as you go along, dontcha? You don’t teach in the public school system do you? Anyhow, it’s a nice, loosy-goosy, womens studies type theory (even if it’s all yours) but it doesn’t hold water.

    Women traditionally take their husbands names because, before God, it is the woman who marries the man (in a biblical sense) and not the other way around.

    When a man pops the “question” he doesn’t say “sweetheart, will I marry you?”, does he?

    A woman takes her husband’s name because it honors her husband and herself and tells society who she is married to. It also is a symbolic recognition of who is head of the family. It is also a protection for her in everyday life. It also lets her kids know they aren’t bastards. The list goes on…

    Turn it all around and what do you get? First you get a woman marrying either a very confused man, or a total wimp, or both. You get a man dedicated to submission and losing. You get a pussy-whipped puppy who want’s his mommy in his bed for life. You get a total loser who dedicates his weakness to femeinism and who will be happy in his misery. Finally you will get a half man who will probably get a sex change operation once the kids are grown up, if not before.

    Grizzlieantagonist is right on. Execution for these jerks might save America.

  • Zoro

    “…It evolved in large part because the special biological vulnerabilities women had because of their relative weakness and propensity to pregnancy meant that they were not historically well-equipped to protect and provide for themselves. Thus, men, usually fathers or husbands, were expected by society to shoulder those responsibilities. Women took the husband’s name because he took on the burden of their protection and support.”

    Golly, you sorta make up stuff as you go along, dontcha? You don’t teach in the public school system do you? Anyhow, it’s a nice, loosy-goosy, womens studies type theory (even if it’s all yours) but it doesn’t hold water.

    Women traditionally take their husbands names because, before God, it is the woman who marries the man (in a biblical sense) and not the other way around.

    When a man pops the “question” he doesn’t say “sweetheart, will I marry you?”, does he?

    A woman takes her husband’s name because it honors her husband and herself and tells society who she is married to. It also is a symbolic recognition of who is head of the family. It is also a protection for her in everyday life. It also lets her kids know they aren’t bastards. The list goes on…

    Turn it all around and what do you get? First you get a woman marrying either a very confused man, or a total wimp, or both. You get a man dedicated to submission and losing. You get a pussy-whipped puppy who want’s his mommy in his bed for life. You get a total loser who dedicates his weakness to femeinism and who will be happy in his misery. Finally you will get a half man who will probably get a sex change operation once the kids are grown up, if not before.

    Grizzlieantagonist is right on. Execution for these jerks might save America.

  • Zoro

    “…It evolved in large part because the special biological vulnerabilities women had because of their relative weakness and propensity to pregnancy meant that they were not historically well-equipped to protect and provide for themselves. Thus, men, usually fathers or husbands, were expected by society to shoulder those responsibilities. Women took the husband’s name because he took on the burden of their protection and support.”

    Golly, you sorta make up stuff as you go along, dontcha? You don’t teach in the public school system do you? Anyhow, it’s a nice, loosy-goosy, womens studies type theory (even if it’s all yours) but it doesn’t hold water.

    Women traditionally take their husbands names because, before God, it is the woman who marries the man (in a biblical sense) and not the other way around.

    When a man pops the “question” he doesn’t say “sweetheart, will I marry you?”, does he?

    A woman takes her husband’s name because it honors her husband and herself and tells society who she is married to. It also is a symbolic recognition of who is head of the family. It is also a protection for her in everyday life. It also lets her kids know they aren’t bastards. The list goes on…

    Turn it all around and what do you get? First you get a woman marrying either a very confused man, or a total wimp, or both. You get a man dedicated to submission and losing. You get a pussy-whipped puppy who want’s his mommy in his bed for life. You get a total loser who dedicates his weakness to femeinism and who will be happy in his misery. Finally you will get a half man who will probably get a sex change operation once the kids are grown up, if not before.

    Grizzlieantagonist is right on. Execution for these jerks might save America.

  • grizzlieantagonist

    Out of the night,
    When the full moon is bright,
    Comes the horseman known as Zorro.
    This bold renegade
    Carves a “Z” with his blade,
    A “Z” that stands for Zorro.

    Zorro, Zorro, the fox so cunning and free,
    Zorro, Zorro, who makes the sign of the Z.

  • grizzlieantagonist

    Out of the night,
    When the full moon is bright,
    Comes the horseman known as Zorro.
    This bold renegade
    Carves a “Z” with his blade,
    A “Z” that stands for Zorro.

    Zorro, Zorro, the fox so cunning and free,
    Zorro, Zorro, who makes the sign of the Z.

  • grizzlieantagonist

    Out of the night,
    When the full moon is bright,
    Comes the horseman known as Zorro.
    This bold renegade
    Carves a “Z” with his blade,
    A “Z” that stands for Zorro.

    Zorro, Zorro, the fox so cunning and free,
    Zorro, Zorro, who makes the sign of the Z.

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    Only an American could rhyme Z with free ! Forget Zorro and his swishy, girly sword; think six-shooter. Zed rhymes with lead.

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    Only an American could rhyme Z with free ! Forget Zorro and his swishy, girly sword; think six-shooter. Zed rhymes with lead.

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    Only an American could rhyme Z with free ! Forget Zorro and his swishy, girly sword; think six-shooter. Zed rhymes with lead.

  • M. Kemp

    Nice article, Denise.

    I believe that, given changes in society, reversing the current custom would be better than keeping the old one – have the men take the wife’s name on marriage and have her last name be the family name for the children. One advantage is that with out of wedlock births and divorces so prevalent and with mothers obtaining custody almost 100% of the time, having kids bear the mother’s name is very efficient and less confusing. For example, under our current system, Miss White marries Mr. Green, becomes Mrs. Green and their children are named Green. If, as happens about 50% of the time, the Greens divorce, Mrs. Green will likely retain custody of the Green kids. If Mrs. Green later marries Mr. Brown, she becomes Mrs. Brown, as will the offspring of that new marriage. So there will be Greens and Browns living under one roof. Under my proposal, things are different. When Ms. White first marries, the couple is Mr. and Mrs. White, and their children are Whites. After the divorce and remarriage, the new family – the couple and the kids from both marriages – are Whites. Much more orderly, I’d say. And radical, too, I admit, but it makes more sense than the present system.

  • M. Kemp

    Nice article, Denise.

    I believe that, given changes in society, reversing the current custom would be better than keeping the old one – have the men take the wife’s name on marriage and have her last name be the family name for the children. One advantage is that with out of wedlock births and divorces so prevalent and with mothers obtaining custody almost 100% of the time, having kids bear the mother’s name is very efficient and less confusing. For example, under our current system, Miss White marries Mr. Green, becomes Mrs. Green and their children are named Green. If, as happens about 50% of the time, the Greens divorce, Mrs. Green will likely retain custody of the Green kids. If Mrs. Green later marries Mr. Brown, she becomes Mrs. Brown, as will the offspring of that new marriage. So there will be Greens and Browns living under one roof. Under my proposal, things are different. When Ms. White first marries, the couple is Mr. and Mrs. White, and their children are Whites. After the divorce and remarriage, the new family – the couple and the kids from both marriages – are Whites. Much more orderly, I’d say. And radical, too, I admit, but it makes more sense than the present system.

  • M. Kemp

    Nice article, Denise.

    I believe that, given changes in society, reversing the current custom would be better than keeping the old one – have the men take the wife’s name on marriage and have her last name be the family name for the children. One advantage is that with out of wedlock births and divorces so prevalent and with mothers obtaining custody almost 100% of the time, having kids bear the mother’s name is very efficient and less confusing. For example, under our current system, Miss White marries Mr. Green, becomes Mrs. Green and their children are named Green. If, as happens about 50% of the time, the Greens divorce, Mrs. Green will likely retain custody of the Green kids. If Mrs. Green later marries Mr. Brown, she becomes Mrs. Brown, as will the offspring of that new marriage. So there will be Greens and Browns living under one roof. Under my proposal, things are different. When Ms. White first marries, the couple is Mr. and Mrs. White, and their children are Whites. After the divorce and remarriage, the new family – the couple and the kids from both marriages – are Whites. Much more orderly, I’d say. And radical, too, I admit, but it makes more sense than the present system.

  • Zoro

    Oh drop dead M. Kemp, you dizzy obnoxious koont… or, failing that, go post your estrogen overdosed color coded Haynes manual thesis in Cosmipolitan.com or something, where you ridiculous and vapid “for-the-children’s sake” sputterings will be much better appreciated by equally as stoopid as you wymin.

  • Zoro

    Oh drop dead M. Kemp, you dizzy obnoxious koont… or, failing that, go post your estrogen overdosed color coded Haynes manual thesis in Cosmipolitan.com or something, where you ridiculous and vapid “for-the-children’s sake” sputterings will be much better appreciated by equally as stoopid as you wymin.

  • Zoro

    Oh drop dead M. Kemp, you dizzy obnoxious koont… or, failing that, go post your estrogen overdosed color coded Haynes manual thesis in Cosmipolitan.com or something, where you ridiculous and vapid “for-the-children’s sake” sputterings will be much better appreciated by equally as stoopid as you wymin.

  • bryyce62

    Somebody get a shovel, there’s a big load of shit in post #8. And while you’re at it, toss the poster out with the load.

    Any man that wants to take “her” name need to be removed from his testecles.

    Have a nice day,
    b62

  • bryyce62

    Somebody get a shovel, there’s a big load of shit in post #8. And while you’re at it, toss the poster out with the load.

    Any man that wants to take “her” name need to be removed from his testecles.

    Have a nice day,
    b62

  • bryyce62

    Somebody get a shovel, there’s a big load of shit in post #8. And while you’re at it, toss the poster out with the load.

    Any man that wants to take “her” name need to be removed from his testecles.

    Have a nice day,
    b62

  • M. Kemp

    Zoro and Bryyce62,

    Thanks for the well-thought-out points. And the profanity. And the spelling errors. Very impressive pieces of work, and probably likely to persuade anyone who’s not particularly enamored of thinking. Keep us the good work, guys. You’re makin’ us all proud!!

  • M. Kemp

    Zoro and Bryyce62,

    Thanks for the well-thought-out points. And the profanity. And the spelling errors. Very impressive pieces of work, and probably likely to persuade anyone who’s not particularly enamored of thinking. Keep us the good work, guys. You’re makin’ us all proud!!

  • M. Kemp

    Zoro and Bryyce62,

    Thanks for the well-thought-out points. And the profanity. And the spelling errors. Very impressive pieces of work, and probably likely to persuade anyone who’s not particularly enamored of thinking. Keep us the good work, guys. You’re makin’ us all proud!!

  • spb12

    Mmmmm well if we are to say that because mums are statistically more likely to look after children in the case of divorce so the kids should have their surname, we could just as easily point out that most marriages do not end in dovorce. Statistically the man will be most likely supporting the wife and the children therefore they should all take his surname. People do not get married with the intention of getting divorced! But that isn’t why this is the way of things.

    Seriously, though, this is simply a romantic tradition of a couple showing that they are a team by sharing the mans last name. There is no law about this – people just decide for themselves.

    I imagine that very few of the women who decide they just have to show how independent they are when married that they keep their (fathers) surname decide that the man should not buy an engagement ring, or decide that they won’t be given away by their fathers as these are ‘symbols of male dominance’!

    When people get married they want to do it properly – a celebratory day with friends and family, a beautiful dress for the bride, engagement ring, honeymoon, etc and part of that is the bride becoming Mrs Hislastname.

  • spb12

    Mmmmm well if we are to say that because mums are statistically more likely to look after children in the case of divorce so the kids should have their surname, we could just as easily point out that most marriages do not end in dovorce. Statistically the man will be most likely supporting the wife and the children therefore they should all take his surname. People do not get married with the intention of getting divorced! But that isn’t why this is the way of things.

    Seriously, though, this is simply a romantic tradition of a couple showing that they are a team by sharing the mans last name. There is no law about this – people just decide for themselves.

    I imagine that very few of the women who decide they just have to show how independent they are when married that they keep their (fathers) surname decide that the man should not buy an engagement ring, or decide that they won’t be given away by their fathers as these are ‘symbols of male dominance’!

    When people get married they want to do it properly – a celebratory day with friends and family, a beautiful dress for the bride, engagement ring, honeymoon, etc and part of that is the bride becoming Mrs Hislastname.

  • spb12

    Mmmmm well if we are to say that because mums are statistically more likely to look after children in the case of divorce so the kids should have their surname, we could just as easily point out that most marriages do not end in dovorce. Statistically the man will be most likely supporting the wife and the children therefore they should all take his surname. People do not get married with the intention of getting divorced! But that isn’t why this is the way of things.

    Seriously, though, this is simply a romantic tradition of a couple showing that they are a team by sharing the mans last name. There is no law about this – people just decide for themselves.

    I imagine that very few of the women who decide they just have to show how independent they are when married that they keep their (fathers) surname decide that the man should not buy an engagement ring, or decide that they won’t be given away by their fathers as these are ‘symbols of male dominance’!

    When people get married they want to do it properly – a celebratory day with friends and family, a beautiful dress for the bride, engagement ring, honeymoon, etc and part of that is the bride becoming Mrs Hislastname.






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