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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/16/what-women-dont-want/comment-page-1/#comment-27777</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys are preaching to the choir.
women today have choices. while they &quot;appear&quot; to be independent, they are typically financed by men.

case in point: a woman finds herself pregnant and announces that she is going to bring the child to term. her male friend objects. she then states, &quot;I don&#039;t want a thing from you&quot;.  

2 months after the birth he is served paternity papers.

her &#039;completely independent&#039; choice, his responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys are preaching to the choir.<br />
women today have choices. while they &#8220;appear&#8221; to be independent, they are typically financed by men.</p>
<p>case in point: a woman finds herself pregnant and announces that she is going to bring the child to term. her male friend objects. she then states, &#8220;I don&#8217;t want a thing from you&#8221;.  </p>
<p>2 months after the birth he is served paternity papers.</p>
<p>her &#8216;completely independent&#8217; choice, his responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxtar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roxtar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Au contraire, Roger, choice &amp; responsibility DO go hand in hand--for both genders. We&#039;re supposed to ACCEPT responsibility for the RESULTS of whatever CHOICES we make, no matter which gender we are. Choice without responsibility is precisely what laws like VAWA attempt to give women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Au contraire, Roger, choice &amp; responsibility DO go hand in hand&#8211;for both genders. We&#8217;re supposed to ACCEPT responsibility for the RESULTS of whatever CHOICES we make, no matter which gender we are. Choice without responsibility is precisely what laws like VAWA attempt to give women.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc H. Rudov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc H. Rudov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

To say that you cannot &quot;give&quot; women choice &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; responsibility is insulting to women. The problem is that this rarely happens -- women are NOT forced to be responsible, and I blame men for that. Men continue to defer to women and treat them like little girls; women respond by living down to those low expectations. Goldgivers attract golddiggers. VAWA authors encourage false rape accusations. I could go on and on. In life, we reap what we sow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>To say that you cannot &#8220;give&#8221; women choice <em>and</em> responsibility is insulting to women. The problem is that this rarely happens &#8212; women are NOT forced to be responsible, and I blame men for that. Men continue to defer to women and treat them like little girls; women respond by living down to those low expectations. Goldgivers attract golddiggers. VAWA authors encourage false rape accusations. I could go on and on. In life, we reap what we sow.</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/16/what-women-dont-want/comment-page-1/#comment-27730</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice proposals, Marc -
But I do not think you can give women both Choice and Responsibility.

These are incompatible with the current evolutionary status of the female psych...and as you point out, there&#039;d be no money in it (which is the biggest blocker to actual legal EQUALITY).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice proposals, Marc -<br />
But I do not think you can give women both Choice and Responsibility.</p>
<p>These are incompatible with the current evolutionary status of the female psych&#8230;and as you point out, there&#8217;d be no money in it (which is the biggest blocker to actual legal EQUALITY).</p>
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		<title>By: tiredofit</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredofit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great suggestions, but there are too many men out there trying to protect their daughters at the expense of society. These men and their women should realize that oppression breeds revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great suggestions, but there are too many men out there trying to protect their daughters at the expense of society. These men and their women should realize that oppression breeds revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxtar</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/16/what-women-dont-want/comment-page-1/#comment-27706</link>
		<dc:creator>Roxtar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, mruffolo, about Henry David Thoreau! One more thing about him: he remained unmarried &amp; childless his whole life--as did US President James Buchanan, economist Adam Smith, Confederate general Jubal Early, &amp; many men not as famous as they, both in their time AND increasingly in ours. Especially the young generation of men (ages 40 on down) are waking up to the dysfunction of modern western societies, fighting it the best way they know how, by avoiding 4 things: dating, r&#039;ships, marriage &amp; sex. I for one am 30 years old &amp; have ALWAYS believed that both genders should pay their own ways on dates. And when it comes to sex, &quot;No glove, no love.&quot;

To those of the old generation who currently run the gov&#039;t of America: I am man, now hear ME roar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, mruffolo, about Henry David Thoreau! One more thing about him: he remained unmarried &amp; childless his whole life&#8211;as did US President James Buchanan, economist Adam Smith, Confederate general Jubal Early, &amp; many men not as famous as they, both in their time AND increasingly in ours. Especially the young generation of men (ages 40 on down) are waking up to the dysfunction of modern western societies, fighting it the best way they know how, by avoiding 4 things: dating, r&#8217;ships, marriage &amp; sex. I for one am 30 years old &amp; have ALWAYS believed that both genders should pay their own ways on dates. And when it comes to sex, &#8220;No glove, no love.&#8221;</p>
<p>To those of the old generation who currently run the gov&#8217;t of America: I am man, now hear ME roar!</p>
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		<title>By: conservativation</title>
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		<dc:creator>conservativation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tinkru, you have no idea how beautiful you are, and I have no idea what you look like.
look after yourself please, i need to know there is one of you in the world.


or was stepford a real place????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tinkru, you have no idea how beautiful you are, and I have no idea what you look like.<br />
look after yourself please, i need to know there is one of you in the world.</p>
<p>or was stepford a real place????</p>
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		<title>By: HaroldZoid</title>
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		<dc:creator>HaroldZoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, good luck on those proposals Marc :)  Leykis is discussing this topic right now (1st hour).

We&#039;ve had several examples in the recent months of high profile men who are going through divorce.  Jordan, Kidd, etc.  Michael Strahan actually signed a prenup signing over 1/2 of joint marital assets and 20% of his income.  They all will be paying through the nose.

It should be a lesson for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, good luck on those proposals Marc <img src='http://mensnewsdaily.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Leykis is discussing this topic right now (1st hour).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had several examples in the recent months of high profile men who are going through divorce.  Jordan, Kidd, etc.  Michael Strahan actually signed a prenup signing over 1/2 of joint marital assets and 20% of his income.  They all will be paying through the nose.</p>
<p>It should be a lesson for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc H. Rudov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc H. Rudov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Precisely, tinkru.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely, tinkru.</p>
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		<title>By: tinkru</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinkru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a woman who as an unwed mother several years ago felt that since I had had the right to choose, the father should also.  I never believed that he owed me any child support if he chose not to provide it.

I think the five steps proposed above are excellent.  Alimoney should certainly be abolished.  If people - male or female - still choose to have financially dependant spouses, instead of alimoney, a prenuptual agreement can take care of those who have willingly surrendered their independence and no one&#039;s free will gets violated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a woman who as an unwed mother several years ago felt that since I had had the right to choose, the father should also.  I never believed that he owed me any child support if he chose not to provide it.</p>
<p>I think the five steps proposed above are excellent.  Alimoney should certainly be abolished.  If people &#8211; male or female &#8211; still choose to have financially dependant spouses, instead of alimoney, a prenuptual agreement can take care of those who have willingly surrendered their independence and no one&#8217;s free will gets violated.</p>
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		<title>By: donnieboy57</title>
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		<dc:creator>donnieboy57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This egg is broken!  The &quot;only&quot; solution is to eat something other than eggs.  Either that or choke on the damn thing, as we are now.  The real problem is not the 90% of women who don&#039;t see the world as we do, but the 40% or so of &quot;men&quot; who don&#039;t get it. Blame that on my generation of men (baby boomers 50 and older ).  Its the king on the moutain thang.  Last man standing gets the chick. aarrrgggg!  Thats my simplistic take anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This egg is broken!  The &#8220;only&#8221; solution is to eat something other than eggs.  Either that or choke on the damn thing, as we are now.  The real problem is not the 90% of women who don&#8217;t see the world as we do, but the 40% or so of &#8220;men&#8221; who don&#8217;t get it. Blame that on my generation of men (baby boomers 50 and older ).  Its the king on the moutain thang.  Last man standing gets the chick. aarrrgggg!  Thats my simplistic take anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc, I keep suggesting the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, I keep suggesting the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: mruffolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mruffolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry David Thoreauâ€™s thoughts on what honest men ought to do about unfair government rules.

â€œI heartily accept the motto, -- &quot;That government is best which governs least&quot;; and I should like to see it acted up to more readily and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, -- &quot;That government is best which governs not at all&quot;; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have.â€

â€œThe mass of men serve the State thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw, or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and officeholders, serve the State chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the State with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated by it as enemies. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be &quot;clay,&quot; and &quot;stop a hole to keep the wind away,&quot; but leave that office to his dust at leastâ€œ

â€œUnjust laws exist: shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once? Men generally, under such a government as this, think that they ought to wait until they have persuaded the majority to alter them. They think that, if they should resist, the remedy would be worse than the evil. But it is the fault of the government itself that the remedy is worse than the evil. It makes it worse.â€

â€œUnder a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison.â€

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/19.htm


Recal that Thoreau was imprisoned for not paying a tax that was used for something immoral. 

I suppose child support a form of taxation (albeit a divorce tax) as the government orders men to pay an exact amount at certain times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry David Thoreauâ€™s thoughts on what honest men ought to do about unfair government rules.</p>
<p>â€œI heartily accept the motto, &#8212; &#8220;That government is best which governs least&#8221;; and I should like to see it acted up to more readily and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, &#8212; &#8220;That government is best which governs not at all&#8221;; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have.â€</p>
<p>â€œThe mass of men serve the State thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw, or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and officeholders, serve the State chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the State with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated by it as enemies. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be &#8220;clay,&#8221; and &#8220;stop a hole to keep the wind away,&#8221; but leave that office to his dust at leastâ€œ</p>
<p>â€œUnjust laws exist: shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once? Men generally, under such a government as this, think that they ought to wait until they have persuaded the majority to alter them. They think that, if they should resist, the remedy would be worse than the evil. But it is the fault of the government itself that the remedy is worse than the evil. It makes it worse.â€</p>
<p>â€œUnder a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison.â€</p>
<p><a href="http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/19.htm" rel="nofollow">http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/19.htm</a></p>
<p>Recal that Thoreau was imprisoned for not paying a tax that was used for something immoral. </p>
<p>I suppose child support a form of taxation (albeit a divorce tax) as the government orders men to pay an exact amount at certain times.</p>
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		<title>By: mdkn</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep...It&#039;s all about the money. I will get much enjoyment out of handing over my last child support check in 3 years. What will she do for tax free income then ?
You&#039;ll also notice that the divorce lawyers don&#039;t settle your case until they are sure that neither of you have a cent left in the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep&#8230;It&#8217;s all about the money. I will get much enjoyment out of handing over my last child support check in 3 years. What will she do for tax free income then ?<br />
You&#8217;ll also notice that the divorce lawyers don&#8217;t settle your case until they are sure that neither of you have a cent left in the bank.</p>
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