In December, I noticed that a lot of people use Wikipedia as a common reference for many issues. Out of curiosity, I visited the Wikipedia::Men’s Rights and Wikipedia::Father’s Rights sections, and was horrified over what I saw.
The definitions were thinner than baklava dough at a Greek homeless shelter. Most of the material was inserted by feminists. The majority was criticism the movement. If I were a typical feminist-inculcated college student, politician, or journalist, I would not want to be within a million miles of the men’s rights after reading the page.
Wikipedia is where people often go to understand many things. Politicians, journalists, high school and college students, and women will never understand the true legitimacy of our movement until we publicly define what the Men’s and Father’s Rights movements are. I cannot understate the great importance of this in erasing the years of misconceptions about the movement.
Upon seeing the decrepit definitions in Wikipedia, I decided to flesh out a few sections myself. This was met with resistance and even astonishment by some Wikipedia editors, most of whom were raised to think like feminists do.
A section I added about the general position of the Men’s Movement on Same Sex Marriage was labeled “Nonsense” by an editor, and abruptly deleted. It seems that feminists do not like the idea that the men’s movement opposes same sex marriage, because it represents the final end of men’s role in family and society.
They refused to let me add my name as a co-founder of ACFC, even after proving to them with a photo that I was in the line-up at the founding ceremony at the National Press Club. This is because they won’t let you cite yourself, even if what you add is as real as Hillary’s face.
In all fairness, I must say that I found most of the editors clueless about the men’s movement, but open to recognizing well-founded revisions. But there are a few feminists staunchly blocking progress via all possible means.
I am just one person in this movement. Feminist-leaning Wikipedia editors will be able to keep Men’s Rights in the dark ages so long as I am the only person cleaning up these definitions. Feminists will win unless the best and brightest leaders of the movement move in and shut the feminist opposition down.
This is a call for short “papers” from all men’s and father’s rights leaders. We need thoughtful, accurate, fully-cited short objective summaries on all major topics of import added into Wikipedia at the earliest possible time. Every leader who has a credible track record, and some authority in the movement, should invest time in this important project. I urge you to create, or edit and refine the subject(s) you are most experienced with.
With all due respect to the thousands of dedicated individuals involved in the movement, but not leading it, please do not attempt major additions or modifications. The leaders of the movement are in the best position to accomplish this authoritatively. Wiki simply cannot cope with 5,000 people creating an editorial riot. However, I strongly encourage you pass this call for papers on to the leaders of your organization, to enjoy the ride, to monitor and perhaps reinforce the additions that leaders make in the discussion section, and perhaps add links to your favorite major writings or writers.
To edit these pages, you must first create a login. You should familiarize yourself with Wiki principles. Editors at Wiki are sticklers about what we put in (but they don’t seem to care much about the reams of un-cited nonsense in the feminism section).
Here are a few tips based on my relatively short experience with Wikipedia:
· Familiarize yourself with Wikipedia rules under the Guidelines, Help, and Resources section of the Community Portal.
· Do not cite yourself, or link to your own blog pages. You may cite articles you have written if published by a reputable publication that you do not control. It is best to cite articles published in independent publications by other writers. You should not cite a writer’s blog or a publication that he or she controls.
· You may add “Significant Writers” and links to organizations that are not your own.
· Do not put in links to any site primarily selling a book or other service. It will be removed.
· You may cite important things that leading activists have done, as long you are not citing yourself or your organization.
· When you go into edit mode, look at the code already there to figure out how to add topics, indent text, and add citations.
· When you go into edit mode, you will see tabs for “History” and “Discussion”. The history section shows what was added and deleted, and who it was done by. The discussion tab is where you argue your case with other editors when they try to shut you down. It is important to stick to the facts, and stick to your guns, when faced with a feminist editor. When working on the discussion page, be sure to add code at the end of your addition so everyone knows who added it.
I have a few recommendations to make, for those who will be writing sections:
· Gay Rights: In my experience, the gay rights movement is attached to feminist enterprises, and is not a part of the legitimate men’s movement. We should keep this line bright and clear. Feminists have gone to great lengths to pretend that gay rights is somehow a men’s issue – to keep Men’s Rights a subset of radical feminism. While I do know of a number of feminist-backed gay men’s organizations who push for gay rights, I do not know of any men’s rights organizations that do. Analysis: if some men want to be gay and push for gay rights, that is their agenda. But it is not the agenda of the men’s rights movement, which is about protecting the rights of heterosexual men to participate in marriage and raise their children.
· Feminist men: Feminists want to include “feminist men” as Men’s Rights activists. I believe this is wrong. Feminist men are a subset of the feminist movement. I have never seen a feminist man leading any legitimate Men’s Rights organization (however, there have been a few feminist-run organizations masquerading as Men’s groups). Feminist men are more likely to prowl the Men’s Movement and try to disrupt it than anything else. Of course, I do recognize there are many formerly feminist men in the Men’s movement, who were shaken into reality the second the divorce papers landed. Therefore, I believe it is very important to ensure that if feminist men are listed at all, they should be listed in the “Critics” section.
· Marriage Movement Section (to be added). The men’s movement has basically been all about the restoration of marriage for as long as I have been in the movement. However, since many of us spend a most of the time fighting the destruction of it and helping men destroyed by the system it is difficult to recognize that we are really the ones who have been standing up for heterosexual marriage all along. I suggest this truth be highlighted: it is my long-held view that the men’s movement is actually “the legitimate marriage movement” that feminist political animals such as David Blankenhorn ran off with a decade ago.
· MRM and FRM Clarifications: Additional clarification is needed defining the hierarchical relationship between the Men’s Rights Movement and Fathers Rights movement. As I see it, all Fathers are men, but not all men are fathers. Therefore, the Fathers Rights movement is a very large subset of the Men’s Movement.
· Custody: The “Custody” section needs to be revised to highlight the Shared Parenting movement.
· Domestic Violence is a major issue needing a full analysis.
· Second Wives: A section on the Second Wives section needs to be added, especially describing the size of this movement.
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David R. Usher is Senior Policy Analyst for the True Equality Network and President of the American Coalition for Fathers and Children, Missouri Coalition
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I’m getting the word out in my circles of influence. I’ll do what I can.
John Dias
January 28th, 2007
Are we going to spend alot of time just to have it deleted or not allowed?
Examples like this show us all how much opposition we face on so many fronts, even what should be an innocuous place such as Wikipedia.
January 28th, 2007
Does a author with a published book on Deadbeat Dads qualify to post on Wikipedia?
January 28th, 2007
1. You will have to defend your entry if it is challenged. I successfully survived some questioning and challenges — but feminists really hate it when we expose the same-sex marriage racket — it is just too close to home — so they are going to fight that one to the death.
2. You probably could, however you should not cite yourself or your own book. Entries should be a reflection of the movement “as it is”, as most folks in the movement would see it.
3. I would keep language objective and as scholarly as possible. They will not allow men’s rights rants.
January 28th, 2007
In response to a similar plea a few years ago I started contributing some material on child support: the IV-D program, guidelines, etc., and its history.
It all disappeared fairly quickly, although it was mostly matter-of-fact, non-advocacy stuff. While it highlighted things like the role of the Lenore Weitzman post-divorce standard-of-living hoax and hysteria in raising child support that feminists would naturally object to, the flak I saw complained that it didn’t pander to the usual urban legends claiming judges’ pensions are boosted in proportion to its size by each order they issue, that there are 1-to-1 federal matching funds for child support amounts collected, etc.
I always suspected it was the latter crowd which destroyed the evidence.
January 28th, 2007
Hi David,
Change does not take place by responding to what someone else does. Change takes place by putting your view forward and letting people respond to it. That’s called being assertive.
There is no men’s movement in America nor has there ever been one. All we have are groups of men complaining about the way things are, which is why most of the organizations have become defunct and the few that are left are impotent.
There is no men’s movement because there is no central philosophy of manhood and its subsequent action, which is why feminism came into being.
January 28th, 2007
Indeed, beware the Wikipedia Police.
I think the best strategy for any guerilla warrior or insurgent is to nibble them to death with short phrases here and there in a number of sometimes seemingly unrelated and maybe even trivial entries (like ‘Ugly Betty’ – be creative), rather than go to a lot of wasted trouble writing long treatises which will cause someone to roll their eyes.
> There is no men’s movement because there is no
> central philosophy of manhood and its subsequent
> action…
I couldn’t disagree more. It’s just that we don’t listen to, watch, or care about men as much, so it’s on a different sort of radar screen. Besides, the lack of a central philosophy of femalehood certainly didn’t stop feminism.
January 28th, 2007
I agree with Elder George on one thing.
We should set forth our own websites and link to each other. That wasy we are not dependent upon the Wikipedia Police.
There is still no article on the Antipeonage Act or Anti-peonage act in Wikipedia.
The result being is that our FRA and MRA articles and websites get top billing when anyone runs “Antipeonage Act” or “Anti-peonage Act” in Yahoo!, Google, or Dogpile.
So maybe it is not a bad thing that Wikipedia is censoring itself.
January 28th, 2007
“There is no men’s movement in America nor has there ever been one. All we have are groups of men complaining about the way things are, which is why most of the organizations have become defunct and the few that are left are impotent.”
There is a ‘movement’ but unorganized and maybe it’s because we men are busily engaged and facing several battles simultaneously, only a few of which are specifically targeted at us men because we are men.
Many of our battles are undefined in yet another undeclared war our tripartrite enemy Zionism/Feminism/BigBrotherism has declared against us mostly white males.
“No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”
Mark 3:27
As our house is being spoiled, we men have yet to clearly see our enemy. Maybe we have seen the enemy, but are in denial. Until we get out of denial, we will continue to be unorganized and impotent and our house will continue to be spoiled.
We are also suffering from battle fatigue w/o realizing it.
Among all the daily struggles dissipating our attention and limited energy, we are even now called upon to do battle with the Wikipedia gauleiters.
January 28th, 2007
This is a great idea.
If you only spend a few hours a month.
Yes words do get deleated, however, persisteance wins the fight at Wiki.
Also for important statment use hyper links to the document that supports the statement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_domestic_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_strike
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_support
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_law
January 28th, 2007
Why are some still writing about atrocities?
For the real men:
For the real men?
Complaining, saying “not fair” does absolutely nothing.
Get back to me when you, you, and you, are willing to protest…
Get back to me when you are actually willing to go to jail for your beliefs…
Eric Ericson
Eric87443@hotmail.com
January 29th, 2007
All of the points related to the mens movement bulleted at the bottom are about relationships. Is this the primary concern of the movement?
Does it really have any relevance beyond relationships (and legal social implications thereof)?
I’m also confused about why a group so dissillusioned with marriage would be its biggest supporter. why?
February 2nd, 2007