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	<title>Comments on: Call For Short Papers From Men&#039;s Rights Leaders: Save Men&#039;s Rights in Wikipedia</title>
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		<title>By: chem_fem</title>
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		<dc:creator>chem_fem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the points related to the mens movement bulleted at the bottom are about relationships. Is this the primary concern of the movement?

Does it really have any relevance beyond relationships (and legal social implications thereof)?

I&#039;m also confused about why a group so dissillusioned with marriage would be its biggest supporter. why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the points related to the mens movement bulleted at the bottom are about relationships. Is this the primary concern of the movement?</p>
<p>Does it really have any relevance beyond relationships (and legal social implications thereof)?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also confused about why a group so dissillusioned with marriage would be its biggest supporter. why?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are some still writing about atrocities?

For the real men:

For the real men?

Complaining, saying â€œnot fairâ€ does absolutely nothing.

Get back to me when you, you, and you, are willing to protestâ€¦

Get back to me when you are actually willing to go to jail for your beliefsâ€¦

Eric Ericson
Eric87443@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are some still writing about atrocities?</p>
<p>For the real men:</p>
<p>For the real men?</p>
<p>Complaining, saying â€œnot fairâ€ does absolutely nothing.</p>
<p>Get back to me when you, you, and you, are willing to protestâ€¦</p>
<p>Get back to me when you are actually willing to go to jail for your beliefsâ€¦</p>
<p>Eric Ericson<br />
<a href="mailto:Eric87443@hotmail.com">Eric87443@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: mruffolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mruffolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great idea.

If you only spend a few hours a month.

Yes words do get deleated, however, persisteance wins the fight at Wiki.

Also for important statment use hyper links to the document that supports the statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_domestic_violence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_strike

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_support

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_law</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great idea.</p>
<p>If you only spend a few hours a month.</p>
<p>Yes words do get deleated, however, persisteance wins the fight at Wiki.</p>
<p>Also for important statment use hyper links to the document that supports the statement.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_domestic_violence" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_domestic_violence</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_strike" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_strike</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_support" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_support</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_law" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_law</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles Fockaert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Fockaert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is no menâ€™s movement in America nor has there ever been one. All we have are groups of men complaining about the way things are, which is why most of the organizations have become defunct and the few that are left are impotent.&quot;

There is a &#039;movement&#039; but unorganized and maybe it&#039;s because we men are busily engaged and facing several battles simultaneously, only a few of which are specifically targeted at us men because we are men.

Many of our battles are undefined in yet another undeclared war our tripartrite enemy Zionism/Feminism/BigBrotherism has  declared against us mostly white males.

&quot;No man can enter into a strong man&#039;s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.&quot;
Mark 3:27

As our house is being spoiled, we men have yet to clearly see our enemy. Maybe we have seen the enemy, but are in denial. Until we get out of denial, we will continue to be unorganized and impotent and our house will continue to be spoiled.

We are also suffering from battle fatigue w/o realizing it.

Among all the daily struggles dissipating our attention and limited energy, we are even now called upon to do battle with the Wikipedia gauleiters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no menâ€™s movement in America nor has there ever been one. All we have are groups of men complaining about the way things are, which is why most of the organizations have become defunct and the few that are left are impotent.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a &#8216;movement&#8217; but unorganized and maybe it&#8217;s because we men are busily engaged and facing several battles simultaneously, only a few of which are specifically targeted at us men because we are men.</p>
<p>Many of our battles are undefined in yet another undeclared war our tripartrite enemy Zionism/Feminism/BigBrotherism has  declared against us mostly white males.</p>
<p>&#8220;No man can enter into a strong man&#8217;s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.&#8221;<br />
Mark 3:27</p>
<p>As our house is being spoiled, we men have yet to clearly see our enemy. Maybe we have seen the enemy, but are in denial. Until we get out of denial, we will continue to be unorganized and impotent and our house will continue to be spoiled.</p>
<p>We are also suffering from battle fatigue w/o realizing it.</p>
<p>Among all the daily struggles dissipating our attention and limited energy, we are even now called upon to do battle with the Wikipedia gauleiters.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Elder George on one thing.
We should set forth our own websites and link to each other.  That wasy we are not dependent upon the Wikipedia Police.
There is still no article on the Antipeonage Act or Anti-peonage act in Wikipedia.
The result being is that our FRA and MRA articles and websites get top billing when anyone runs &quot;Antipeonage Act&quot; or &quot;Anti-peonage Act&quot; in Yahoo!, Google, or Dogpile.
So maybe it is not a bad thing that Wikipedia is censoring itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Elder George on one thing.<br />
We should set forth our own websites and link to each other.  That wasy we are not dependent upon the Wikipedia Police.<br />
There is still no article on the Antipeonage Act or Anti-peonage act in Wikipedia.<br />
The result being is that our FRA and MRA articles and websites get top billing when anyone runs &#8220;Antipeonage Act&#8221; or &#8220;Anti-peonage Act&#8221; in Yahoo!, Google, or Dogpile.<br />
So maybe it is not a bad thing that Wikipedia is censoring itself.</p>
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		<title>By: MartianBachelor</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartianBachelor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, beware the Wikipedia Police.

I think the best strategy for any guerilla warrior or insurgent is to nibble them to death with short phrases here and there in a number of sometimes seemingly unrelated and maybe even trivial entries (like &#039;Ugly Betty&#039; - be creative), rather than go to a lot of wasted trouble writing long treatises which will cause someone to roll their eyes.

&gt; There is no menâ€™s movement because there is no
&gt; central philosophy of manhood and its subsequent
&gt; action...

I couldn&#039;t disagree more.  It&#039;s just that we don&#039;t listen to, watch, or care about men as much, so it&#039;s on a different sort of radar screen.  Besides, the lack of a central philosophy of femalehood certainly didn&#039;t stop feminism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, beware the Wikipedia Police.</p>
<p>I think the best strategy for any guerilla warrior or insurgent is to nibble them to death with short phrases here and there in a number of sometimes seemingly unrelated and maybe even trivial entries (like &#8216;Ugly Betty&#8217; &#8211; be creative), rather than go to a lot of wasted trouble writing long treatises which will cause someone to roll their eyes.</p>
<p>&gt; There is no menâ€™s movement because there is no<br />
&gt; central philosophy of manhood and its subsequent<br />
&gt; action&#8230;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t disagree more.  It&#8217;s just that we don&#8217;t listen to, watch, or care about men as much, so it&#8217;s on a different sort of radar screen.  Besides, the lack of a central philosophy of femalehood certainly didn&#8217;t stop feminism.</p>
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		<title>By: Elder George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elder George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David,

Change does not take place by responding to what someone else does. Change takes place by putting your view forward and letting people respond to it. Thatâ€™s called being assertive.

There is no menâ€™s movement in America nor has there ever been one. All we have are groups of men complaining about the way things are, which is why most of the organizations have become defunct and the few that are left are impotent.

There is no menâ€™s movement because there is no central philosophy of manhood and its subsequent action, which is why feminism came into being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,</p>
<p>Change does not take place by responding to what someone else does. Change takes place by putting your view forward and letting people respond to it. Thatâ€™s called being assertive.</p>
<p>There is no menâ€™s movement in America nor has there ever been one. All we have are groups of men complaining about the way things are, which is why most of the organizations have become defunct and the few that are left are impotent.</p>
<p>There is no menâ€™s movement because there is no central philosophy of manhood and its subsequent action, which is why feminism came into being.</p>
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		<title>By: wls1</title>
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		<dc:creator>wls1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to a similar plea a few years ago I started contributing some material on child support: the IV-D program, guidelines, etc., and its history.

It all disappeared fairly quickly, although it was mostly matter-of-fact, non-advocacy stuff.  While it highlighted things like the role of the Lenore Weitzman post-divorce standard-of-living hoax and hysteria in raising child support that feminists would naturally object to, the flak I saw complained that it didn&#039;t pander to the usual urban legends claiming judges&#039; pensions are boosted in proportion to its size by each order they issue, that there are 1-to-1 federal matching funds for child support amounts collected, etc.

I always suspected it was the latter crowd which destroyed the evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to a similar plea a few years ago I started contributing some material on child support: the IV-D program, guidelines, etc., and its history.</p>
<p>It all disappeared fairly quickly, although it was mostly matter-of-fact, non-advocacy stuff.  While it highlighted things like the role of the Lenore Weitzman post-divorce standard-of-living hoax and hysteria in raising child support that feminists would naturally object to, the flak I saw complained that it didn&#8217;t pander to the usual urban legends claiming judges&#8217; pensions are boosted in proportion to its size by each order they issue, that there are 1-to-1 federal matching funds for child support amounts collected, etc.</p>
<p>I always suspected it was the latter crowd which destroyed the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. You will have to defend your entry if it is challenged. I successfully survived some questioning and challenges -- but feminists really hate it when we expose the same-sex marriage racket -- it is just too close to home -- so they are going to fight that one to the death.

2. You probably could, however you should not cite yourself or your own book.  Entries should be a reflection of the movement &quot;as it is&quot;, as most folks in the movement would see it.

3. I would keep language objective and as scholarly as possible.  They will not allow men&#039;s rights rants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. You will have to defend your entry if it is challenged. I successfully survived some questioning and challenges &#8212; but feminists really hate it when we expose the same-sex marriage racket &#8212; it is just too close to home &#8212; so they are going to fight that one to the death.</p>
<p>2. You probably could, however you should not cite yourself or your own book.  Entries should be a reflection of the movement &#8220;as it is&#8221;, as most folks in the movement would see it.</p>
<p>3. I would keep language objective and as scholarly as possible.  They will not allow men&#8217;s rights rants.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Fockaert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Fockaert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does a author with a published book on Deadbeat Dads qualify to post on Wikipedia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does a author with a published book on Deadbeat Dads qualify to post on Wikipedia?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Fockaert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Fockaert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we going to spend alot of time just to have it deleted or not allowed?

Examples like this show us all how much opposition we face on so many fronts, even what should be an innocuous place such as Wikipedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we going to spend alot of time just to have it deleted or not allowed?</p>
<p>Examples like this show us all how much opposition we face on so many fronts, even what should be an innocuous place such as Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dias</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting the word out in my circles of influence.  I&#039;ll do what I can.

John Dias</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting the word out in my circles of influence.  I&#8217;ll do what I can.</p>
<p>John Dias</p>
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