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Remove The Cross From The Chapel Of William And Mary!

2007-02-04
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Symbols are important; certain symbols or icons like the American flag unite us. Most Americans, except for a few anarchists and malcontents, feel a sense of pride and unity when they see Old Glory waving in the breeze. 

Other symbols, especially religious emblems, are divisive. When Muslims see the Islamic crescent moon they feel a sense of religious pride, but the same image instills in me a sense of dread and apprehension. It’s ridiculous and pathetic that, in the 21st century, millions worldwide still worship a moon God. To be fair, I’m a freethinker who can’t abide any organized religion.

There is a controversy brewing  over the removal of a cross from the chapel of the college of William and Mary.

From ABC News:

“William and Mary, founded by royal charter in 1693 with a mission that included training Anglican ministers, is the nation’s second-oldest university after Harvard.

William and Mary became a public school in 1906.”

Gene R. Nichol, the school’s president, ordered the cross removed in October to make the chapel more inviting to students of all faiths and creeds.

From ABC News:

“In response to early protests, Nichol decided in December to return the cross to the chapel on Sundays, and he recently created a committee that will examine the role of religion at public universities and the use of the chapel.”

William and Mary is a public school, and it has a student body that is as religiously diverse as America. The chapel should be a place where students of all faiths will feel welcome and comfortable.

President Nichol did the right thing when he removed the cross from the chapel in October, and he did the wrong thing when he gave in to pressure and returned the cross to the chapel on Sundays.

Some Christians are not content with having the cross in the chapel on Sundays, they want it to permanently stay there.

The cross should be permanently banned from the chapel, that Christian symbol is like a sign that reads “Muslims, Jews, Pagans &, Buddhists Not Welcome”.

When students pays tuition to attend William and Mary, part of the tuition goes for the upkeep and maintenance of the chapel. Students who are not Christians help pay for the maintenance of the house of worship, and it’s an insult to them to have to look at a Christian symbol while they commune with their deity.

How would Christians feel if a pagan fertility idol was placed in the altar of the chapel?

A private Christian church can have a hundred crosses, but a public chapel in a public university should have no religious symbols.

 

 

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  • chas

    No crosses, no bibles, no Christian explanations. In one generation what changed? Is it not oppression? Is it not repression? Is it not the opposite of freedom?

  • Robert Paul Reyes

    JohnG said,

    “I’ve come to conclude that you intentionally post essays of a preposterous nature merely to provoke a negative response.

    Remove the cross from a chapel? Why don’t you suggest removing Islamic icons from a mosque – after all, Christians and Jews probably wouldn’t feel included in a mosque”

    John, There is no Mosque or Temple at William and Mary. That chapel is for students of all faiths. The word “chapel” does not mean it’s a building exclusively for Christian worship.

  • Robert Paul Reyes

    radio relay said,

    “Lets blow up all the old Buddhas too!”

    I wrote an essay condemning the Taliban for destroying pricelss religous artifacts.

  • Robert Paul Reyes

    chas wrote:

    “RPR In a US public school classroom, in elementary school my mother was taught the 23 Psalm. That is a chapter in the bible, in case you don’t know.”

    The Bible is not just for Christians; I’m better acquainted with the Bible than the vast majority of Christians. I can quote chapter and verse with the best of them.

  • jjtaup

    Freethinker?! This calls to mind, “The louder they proclaim their freedom, the greater is the rattling of their chains.” A real freethinker would understand the absolute necessity of mythology, legend, and religion on which men must base, and infuse meaning into, their collective lives.

    Religion is divisive? What isn’t? Money? It seems to me wherever this exists so does hatred and murder. Water? I believe without it there would be no more death. Although there are some people who can dispense with religion, they are of the same stock that can live without friends or social approval. Even these certainly do not live without God.

    Those who wish to remove crosses, take down the Ten Commandments, and obliterate all public mention of higher powers, are living in profound ignorance, as unaware of the nature of our existence as are fish of the water in which they swim.

  • JohnG

    I’ve come to conclude that you intentionally post essays of a preposterous nature merely to provoke a negative response.

    Remove the cross from a chapel? Why don’t you suggest removing Islamic icons from a mosque – after all, Christians and Jews probably wouldn’t feel included in a mosque.

  • boll038

    chas said, RPR What name do you call, and what symbols represent you, or your group?

    bollo says, the hammer and cycle.

  • chas

    RPR What name do you call, and what symbols represent you, or your group?

  • S Baker

    Reyes is simply ignorant of history since the country was founded by Christians and the basis of our government arises from JudeoChristian Principles. I would also mention higher education, hospitals, The Red Cross, a myriad of charitable organizations; all founded by Christians. As for Harvard, the nations first public institution of higher education, was founded about 1635 by another rightwing Christian pastor. There might also be something in one of those ancient government documents stating our rights are endowed by our creator, not small-minded liberal humans who imagine themselves the only entities capable of creation.

  • Lurk

    Got to agree with stands2p. You are one funny guy. Claiming any sort of relationship to “free” while in the same breath declaring intollerance and loathing for people with differing views is classic.

    But then again, you might actually believe that you have some respect for “freedom” and that is probably the saddist delusion of all.

    Put the cross back permanently. It is the history of the school and it is a chapel. I know that there is a growing desire of a small segment of brainwashed individuals running around that the country must be burned to the ground so that their angry eyes be not offended by the Christian charity that permitted their very existence in the first place.

    You are a funny little mind that knows how to draw attention.

  • radio relay

    Lets blow up all the old Buddhas too!

  • stands2p

    “I’m a freethinker who can’t abide any organized religion.”

    That is, hands down one of the funniest things I have every found on the internet (and I’ve been known to surf a bit.)

    Robert, you are priceless.

  • chas

    RPR In a US public school classroom, in elementary school my mother was taught the 23 Psalm. That is a chapter in the bible, in case you don’t know.

  • KVolz

    I can see what you are saying about a cross in a public school, but I disagree with you. It is a chapel, and a cross is the basic symbol of all Christian religions. America is predominately Christian, compared to any of the other religions. And I think putting the cross up just on Sundays is compromise enough.

    I am happy that you are not in favor of Islam. I already knew that, you have made it very clear in other essays.

    Even when I disagree with you, I enjoy reading whatever you write :) You have such a diverse range of topics, I never know what to expect to see from you when I come on to MND! Keep up the good work!

  • Robert Paul Reyes

    Christianj wrote:

    “Here we have another example of liberal hypocrisy, let’s favour a “terrorist religion” just so it can remove the existing one.”

    I don’t favor Islam, I loathe Islam. It’s the most vile religion in the world. I have made myself perfectly clear in this matter.

  • christianj

    “I’m a freethinker who can’t abide any organized religion.”

    This article is from a hypocrite that “spoke to Jesus” not as a revelation but out of pure hate for christians and all this society stands for.

    Here we have another example of liberal hypocrisy, let’s favour a “terrorist religion” just so it can remove the existing one.

    Wait until they invade your country and have the 5 calls a day for prayers and then complain to them declaring the same you moaning about here.

    They will kill you there and then.Do you honestly beleive that you are introducing a better outcome ?

    I wont be around to say “I told you so, you hypocrite”.

    While I am at it.

    Did you not boast about the fact that Obama was a christian ?

    “Obama is an avowed Christian and the story about him attending a madrassah is patently false. The school in question, was not a madrassah, but a learning institution that accepts students of all faiths.”

    You are just another irrelevant liberal…..

  • http://lovability.org amfortas

    PRP” ..that Christian symbol is like a sign that reads “Muslims, Jews, Pagans &, Buddhists Not Welcome”.

    No it isn’t. It says quite the opposite. PRP your bigotry is showing. Put some pants on.

  • oneShef

    Roberto,
    You are standing on what?…separation of church and state? This appears to be the basis of your presentation. Either that or you are plain happy with a pluralistic society where everybody has the appearance of the next guy. Your argument really says you want everyone to be like you and then you could be happy…
    The separation of powers that the Supreme Court ruled on and that most everyone likes to quote, is ofter quoted wrong. Further, the ruling did not dismiss religious symbolism, just the government support of such. You imply that taxes are a form of support, yet, the basis of support as written by the court was in reference to official declarations of faith..ie…the Church of England and the declarations handed down at that time in history! Do your best to get it straight…
    Many people in this country have an abiding love for the God of Creation and unlike you, find little fault with public universities that were not founded with Christian principles! you are one strange cat…

  • chas

    It is time to divide the country so you can live out the consequences of your choices, and we can live out the consequences of our choices.

  • bigpapa

    NO, no, no, it’s historical to the university,,,
    It should be there,, it’s like going to a “public” government building and chipping off anything religious..
    But,, if they don’t receive any money from the tax payers they can do anything they wish.
    “Public” doesn’t give you any rights to make the owner change for you…

  • http://mensnewsdaily.com/author/the-gonzman/ The Gonzman

    That’s okay, Roberto.

    Long as I can PRIVATELY refuse to hire or rent to non-Christians.







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