Recently the pages of Men’s News Daily has been graced by the presence of several members of what I shall refer to as the disloyal opposition. I’ll not go down the litany of names, but they include feminists, liberals, Islamofascists, and conspiracy theorists. This has been greeted with measures of dismay, to say the least.
Ease your troubled hearts, my brothers and sisters. Rejoice. Indeed, join me in welcoming these folks here.
By all means, (metaphorically) assist them in such body modifications as will give them a choice of orifices from which to defecate, but give a hearty “Hail and well met!” Slide your chairs over. Make room. Far, far better it is to have them hear. As I look at it, why let your opponent remain silent and be thought an idiot when you can give them a forum by which they may speak freely, and remove all doubt?
Or, in other words, and echo chamber can be a bad thing. Yeah, I know. Occasionally we all need a place to go where one has a vacation from abject stupidity and the vapidity of “Progressive Thought.” (There’s an oxymoron if I have ever heard it.) However, the internet is a big place. GoDaddy is cheap. And Men’s News Daily need not be that place. Construct those places away. Retire there to refresh yourself, and you feel the need.
Ladies and Gents, it is a sign we are winning. One of the reasons we are winning is because we do have such things as logic and truth upon our side. Those, my friends, are powerful weapons. You don’t need fear even an erudite ignoramus. If they spout baloney, it will be seen for what it is. Rest assured that the Brain Trust here at MND is more than adequate to the task; I have seen spontaneous tag-teaming on a grand scale here.
Back before the internet, their ilk controlled the media, and information . And lo, the Lord saw that it was vomitous, and he said “Let there be Rush Limbaugh.” And so, talk radio was born. Whatever your opinions on Rush, he exploded in popularity, because he was something NEW. A voice which had never been heard. People saying “He’s one of US.” Liberals hated him. They tried to silence him, drive him off the airwaves, and all their efforts just made him the more popular.
The age of the Computer BBS came and went, with people talking on FIDONets and other such things. CompuServ. Prodigy. AOL. Then came the World Wide Web. The genie was - and is - out of the bottle. The Lefties are trying desperately to put it back in, trying to claim we are part of a political machine, trying to censor us with the so-called “Fairness Doctrine” again. Their efforts are doomed, though I have to say their antics are most entertaining to watch.
Fortunately, over the internet at least, it is difficult for them to fling poop.
I’d gone back to college during the rise of Political Correctness. Well do I remember how fascist it is, well do I share the frustration of being silenced, of having my grade lowered for Thoughtcrime. I was tempted on more than one occasion to wish the little Torquemadas a taste of their own Star Chambers. Maturity brings wisdom, though, and as a nearly fully vested Olde Pharte, may I just pass on a little of it, to wit:
Laugh at their silly asses.
Yeah, I know. They have a site, you go there, and you get hounded, edited, deleted, and chased off, and it is a big echo chamber. Aggravating, ain’t it? Know why they do that? Know why they have a big bunker mentality? Know why they don’t like their views subject to analysis and reason? Cnsider for a moment that their doctrine can’t stand up to scrutiny, and you have made the first step to enlightenment, grasshopper. When you get frustrated with it, imagine them stomping their lil’ foot and declaring, “My mind is made up, you right-wing meanie, how DARE you try to confuse me with facts?”
Don’t be drinking coffee when you do. You have been warned, and I hold myself not responsible for monitor screens. Probably the only occasion you’ll get a laugh from them, too. They are a humorless and bitter lot, eh wot? Not nearly so agreeable as my own gentle brand of mirth, I must say. We’re funnier than they are. They attract the faithful and True Believers, and otherwise preach to their choir. By all means, let them.
Long ago, a wise sage once gave me a bit of wisdom, that can be condensed to “Play to the Lurkers.” I harbor no illusions I am going to convert even one doctrinaire femherroid. You, gentle reader - well, I hope I entertain you. But I am not really telling you anything you don’t know, am I? Let’s not beat around the bush. If I am trying to convert you to a position you already hold, this is as big a case of keyboard masturbation as has ever occured.
The lurkers, though. The ones who read, but don’t speak. They have their fill of one-sided discussions and straw-men anywhere they look. Go to any of the major lefty sites, and you will see the same POV spouted over and over, followed by the obligatory hug-fest, self congratulatory backpatting, and choruses of “Yeah, what he said!” Red Kos or Pandagon for a week, and you have read it in its entirety. We put it here - well, same thing, only different.
What is new, and refreshing, is when you can contrast between the two. When some Libtard can get up and drool nonsense, and be thoroughly fisked - well, that speaks volumes. Just for starters, it shows we don’t fear the arena of thought and the marketplace of ideas. You’re not going to find that in Liberal Unicorn Land. They don’t want it, whatever their rationalization, and they don’t want it because they get the short end of that stick every stinking time. As my New York Cousin is fond of saying, “They ain’t got nothing.” This is why leftist enclaves resemble gulags; they are on a par with other totalitarians complete with iquisitions and re-education classes. The difference between one of them, an Islamic Terrorist, and some uneducated peasant screaming “She’s a witch! Burn her! Burn her!” is merely one of circumstance, and position in the space-time continuum.
By all means, let this be demonstrated. And let it be a pattern of welcoming acceptance of their … um … unique .. points of view. Because sooner or later the gang that is around will become weary of serving as the logical whipping boys, if they don’t have a stroke at the consistent demonstrations of what they see as “mean-spiritedness,” or have their heads implode when an undeniable truth penetrates the event horizon of their worldview. And we’ll then need more of their missionaries to come and try to edumacate us poor, benighted, heathens.
So, roll out the welcome mats, and let it ring loud and clear to all of Liberaldom, “Send more. The last ones were DELICIOUS.”
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badger said,
Gonz. I was thinking the same thing. Their getting worried and they are now coming out of the woodwork and from what I have read so far we don’t have a thing to worry about. They don’t have a leg to stand on.
February 5, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Patriot said,
I opened an account at DU a month ago to see how they would respond to moderate discussion. I didn’t even write anything that would be construed as conservative.
After 12 posts and many insults and people claiming ridiculous stuff the “moderator” cancelled my account.
I asked them why and received a short response saying that my comments on strings about “global warming”, Bush being a war criminal, and 9/11 being an inside job “were not inline with normal progressive ideals”.
I was overly polite in all of my posts and said nothing extreme. They just couldn’t stand to hear anything that wasn’t out on the lunatic fringe.
WE ALL are the better people. Those that talk about tolerance the most practice it the least.
I for one welcome our new Libs. Perhaps we can save one of them. If not, you can’t beat the entertainment value of it all.
February 5, 2007 at 6:57 pm
steven deluca said,
You make me laugh (with you not at you) but I must warn you that you either made a typo or a spelling error that I caught. And if *I* caught it, there must be more, so, watch out for Erbe because she knows that such a mistake in spelling, even if a typo, is a sign that your views about gender issues are … you know, tainted.
And with tainted views you are quickly written off because, well, you seem blind to the fact that there really is a war against women and that men really do owe a great debt which you don’t seem to undertand,- at all.
Some guys still don’t get it - and you must be one of them or you would be more supportive of women’s issues, like, you know, equality and all that.
At the most basic level guys on mensnewsdaily have really lost their way. Obtuse at best. Do you really think all those male suicides, dead GI’s, men dying in the work place hold a candle to “not getting to take shop class in 1959, or housework?” Find some real issues for men or give it up.
Haven’t you noticed the way men stare when a woman’s breasts enter the room two seconds before the woman does. Morons. You first thought, as the blood leaves you brain, is, damn, are they real, as if she wants to be noticed for her breasts instead of who she is. Your first thought is - boob job and that somehow that’s for the public, or worse, for you, as if its always about you and as if she simply is trying to get sexual attention from men, … that’s not silicon, silly boy, she isn’t trying to turn you on - OR get a dinner invite, and she certainly isn’t trying to provoke you in a sexual way, you should know that by now, what’s the point of women controlling 35 years of gender issues if guys still don’t get it. Someday when we have full thought control you and your kind will end up in reeducation camps.
Can’t you tell the difference between gel and Kevlar yet? It’s a Kevlar vest under that Armani business jacked, or blouse, - it’s just a protective barrier to stop all those male snipers out there who are hunting down women, … did you know that 8 millon women are killed by male snipers ever year - one every .003 seconds while most people just don’t seem to notice or care. If men were dying, people would care.
(Side note, this is how rumors start. Next year in a women’s studies class, male basing 101, girls will be taught, 8 million women a year, one ever .003 seconds - the semester after it will be one every .00003 and people will ask, where did that number come from, Hey, I read it at the New York Times, and Newsweek, and there source was???????from Steve DeLuca on mensnewsdaily, who was given an award for the only correct story on men’s news from a men’s rights advocate in 2007.
During the time you were reading this message an entire group of female shoppers at Victoria’s Secret were wiped out simply because they didn’t have a note from their boyfriend or father giving them permission to buy tight t shirts that said “Give him sex the old fashioned way, make him earn it” … or crotchless panties which men assume are for the benefits of men, so typical of men… such items under that Armani business suit are simply there to remind her that despite dressing like a man, underneath it all, she is more special than that, she is a woman.
And as long as women are women, and men are men, your protestations that it’s time to look at men’s issues for a change will not be heard, especially if you have a typo, or two, just ask BC - he already knows.
SD
February 5, 2007 at 7:08 pm
tasmaw said,
Who knows? It might actually be fun once I can stand to read the crap they shovel.
February 5, 2007 at 9:07 pm
amfortas said,
Some ‘empowered’ women have dispensed with pants altogether now, and the noise is dreadful - even RPR has eyes wide open looking but his fingers in his ears - but we mustn’t take that as an invitation to contribute to their vagina monologues. The organ speaks but does not hear.
Now we are subject to the voices of some ‘men’ have tried panties too - and likewise dispensed with them - and like the new boy who has been busy here (I Guess his dad might be Hugo, whaddya think) they try to engage us all in femispeak monologues.
Just laugh. As Gonz says, we are more accepting of people talking in strange tongues. It is entertaining sometimes. I just wish they’d put some proper underpants on.
February 5, 2007 at 11:47 pm
Anderson said,
Have you lost your freak’n mind?
Did someone pay you to write that?
Who’s idea was this, LaSalle?
“Ladies and Gents, it is a sign we are winning.”
NO, it’s a sign of stupidity.
I’ve seen goober moves, but this one takes the cake.
Trust me on this.
“Ease your troubled hearts, my brothers and sisters. Rejoice. Indeed, join me in welcoming these folks here.”
You have obviously hit your head on something.
Snap out of it Gonz…
N.
February 5, 2007 at 11:56 pm
Robert Paul Reyes said,
I have been posting my liberal rants since 2005, and yet during that time MND has not only survived but thrived.
Rest assured, my conservative friends, you have nothing to fear from the addition of a few liberal writers.
February 6, 2007 at 12:28 am
Teri Stoddard said,
I thought being a fathers’ and men’s advocate kept me from being hassled for being a liberal female.
Geez, if you’re gonna be like this, how do you expect others like me to come here and learn? I evaluate issues by their merits, not by which political party supports them.
So much hating going on…you guys hate all women? How sad.
And I thought some of you were my friends.
(Now I’m curious. You guys who hate…okay, too harsh… You guys who distrust women, strongly; doesn’t that harm your sex lives? Never mind, maybe I don’t want to know.)
February 6, 2007 at 1:23 am
DrDamage said,
I don’t get it. What list? Did you post this message in the right discussion? Cause I’m trying and failing to connect it with anything else in this particular discussion.
Or maybe you’re being humorous and I’m being obtuse. I hope so, cause that’s where my moneys bet.
February 6, 2007 at 3:46 am
The Gonzman said,
Think about it.
It is the modus operandi of Leftard fascists to silence opposition. They silence it because it cannot be allowed to speak. It makes too much sense.
February 6, 2007 at 4:19 am
amfortas said,
A Planet I’ve decided to reject’.
He made a sign to Gabriel, who fetches
Bottle and glasses. ‘I thought I might connect
Intelligence with Life - and Love. Darwinian adaption
Made the links neatly, no essential rift
Divides the three - but woman’s an odd contraption’.
He sighed. ‘I hoped they’d use well my gifts.
Think thoughts so brave they’d send a thrill
cascading
Down even my antique, almighty spine;
Bring joy and smiles to these old eyes of mine.
But no, they use their brain to go lying, Accusing, hurting, punishing… I’ll make no song
And dance about it - I just got it wrong’.
‘Maybe’, said Gabriel, ‘a little time?’
‘Another day, my Angelic friend? It is already ripe’.
He crushed the Planet with his thumb.
‘Some wine?’
February 6, 2007 at 4:20 am
donnieboy57 said,
February 6, 2007 at 9:37 am
stands2p said,
So it goes with our discourse; we grow weak without the occasional elbow to the windpipe. Let them play on our court.
February 6, 2007 at 9:46 am
Anderson said,
You were once a full metal cock diesel MRA.
Now, you’re sporting a rainbow tie and installing Tampon dispensers in the lobby.
I don’t see Steven Guess backing down or changing any of his opinions.
This is false advertising
Reminds me of the “new” Coca-Cola.
Why change something that was working so well?
vox populi is now the village idiots.
Anywho…It’s good to see you are still vertical Gonz.
Take care brother, I’ll be on my way now.
N.
February 6, 2007 at 10:38 am
conservativation said,
February 6, 2007 at 10:49 am
The Gonzman said,
Who do I convert preaching to the choir?
Nobody.
Who do I convert when I get to take on a femherroid, in an arena where my comments aren’t deleted, “moderated,” or edited?
The lurker.
Do I care if Stephen Guess changes his opinions?
Not a damn bit.
It’s not my goal. I get to make him look like an idiot. I get to keep pointing out that his whole belief system if f&@k$! up like a soup sandwich from the ground up. I get to keep hammering him with FUNDAMENTAL questions, which he will refuse to answer - BECAUSE HE CAN’T.
What does that reveal, Anderson? What is hung out for the world to see?
Stephen Guess is an educated idiot, whose ravings about feminism are vacuous, because his whole philosophy is vacuous, devoid of truth, bereft of substance, and without foundation - morally, ethically, philosophically, or logically.
If I go to a feminist board or blog, do I get to do this?
No. I get edited, deleted, and moderated.
If I go to a MRA “Our Opinions Only” do I get to do this?
No - I have nobody there to make a fool of - in real time - who has full access to rebut my opinions at any time, but doesn’t, because he CAN’T.
Follow the logic train, my brother. To do otherwise would be like the Colts claiming to be world champions if the Bears were stopped from coming to Miami.
February 6, 2007 at 10:50 am
Teri Stoddard said,
Regarding not trusting women, if any of you have been falsely accused of abuse, I’d like to interview you. (You can use an alias.) Just write to me. teri@sharedparentingworks.org
February 6, 2007 at 11:09 am
mruffolo said,
For example, I was removed for sharing what I observed that day in family court at a Yahoo! divorce group. One moderator lied while she kicked me out, saying I was spamming.
Mensdailynews.com is a place to read mostly unedited truth. Thanks.
February 6, 2007 at 11:13 am
fourthwire said,
(Now I’m curious. You guys who hate…okay, too harsh… You guys who distrust women, strongly; doesn’t that harm your sex lives? Never mind, maybe I don’t want to know.)”
Teri, it’s true that there is a fair bit of outrage against institutionalized misandry, double standards, the hypocrisy of the feminazis and such…. even bitterness and anger among many MND posters, but it takes quite a short-circuit among one’s gray cells to translate that outrage “hating all women”.
As for men being your “friends”, a woman your age ought to know better about the nature of friendship.
And from your question about maintaining sexual relations with women while distrusting them, it’s clear that you really don’t understand men’s sex drives. One more reason for you to listen to Leykis…….;-) He educates women like yourself about men.
Here’s a clue for you: men will continue to attempt to reduce their vulnerability to women’s superior rights, entitlements, and privileges through those means available:
- the marriage rate will continue to fall,
- more men will seek wives abroad,
- prenups will become more common,
………but men will still seek sex with women.
And a fair number of men will continue to marry, seek to have children, and loving relationships anyway, either trying to beat the odds, or else having been well-raised, will seek their mates with extraordinary care and caution.
Many if not most American women have embraced feminist exhortations. A silent majority of them chosen to ignore the double standards and hypocrisy related to their rights, responsibilities, privileges, and entitlements.
February 6, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Teri Stoddard said,
It’s one thing to share experiences, support each other and work on changing society for the better. It’s another thing to dwell on the negatives, fuel each other’s anger and give up.
I don’t see how you are going to get the society you want without getting some women to agree. If they come here and feel hated, they’ll stop reading and won’t come back.
The “friend” line was a joke. ; )
As far as sex, yes, I know about men and sex. Just curious though…isn’t it a *little* better when you at least like the other person?
You guys keep assuming that women know everything you know about feminism. From what I can tell, they don’t. Remember, they don’t read the same things you read. They don’t have the same experiences. And they are constantly influenced by a society that tells them to behave the way they are. Instead of insulting them, educate them.
February 6, 2007 at 1:36 pm
The Gonzman said,
February 6, 2007 at 1:44 pm
S Baker said,
February 6, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Teri Stoddard said,
February 6, 2007 at 1:51 pm
fourthwire said,
While it’s possible that some men “hate all women”, it’s a safe bet that far more men dislike or even hate SOME women (the type of women characterized by the term “bitch” comes to mind).
“It’s one thing to share experiences, support each other and work on changing society for the better. It’s another thing to dwell on the negatives, fuel each other’s anger and give up.”
Teri, until you realize just how badly our society has been treating men, you will continue to wonder why America’s men are so pissed-off.
Quite a few men posting on mensnewsdaily have been treated badly at the hands of feminist-influenced courts, police, legislatures, etc. They have EVERY reason to express outrage.
To expect otherwise is naivete on your part…. (and that’s about as politely as I can write it!)
“I don’t see how you are going to get the society you want without getting some women to agree. If they come here and feel hated, they’ll stop reading and won’t come back.”
Women will start begging for change in numbers when they realize that allowing men in society to be mistreated through institutionalized misandry is adversely affecting them as well.
And if you don’t understand THAT particular point, then you don’t understand the self-centered nature, egotistical nature of most American women (see how I manage to slip those damned necessary disclaimers in there?).
Women will start pressing for change when they begin to feel the pain of men’s frustration and mistrust…… and that process is already underway.
The absolute last thing that mensnewsdaily.com needs as a forum is for women to feel as if special accomodations are being made for them.
“As far as sex, yes, I know about men and sex. Just curious though…isn’t it a *little* better when you at least like the other person?”
Sigh……… Teri, some of the absolute best sex in the world, as experienced from a man’s perspective happens with the kind of psycho-bitches-from-hell who make positively awful girlfriends/wives/mothers.
That’s one of the reasons why some guys tolerate relationships with “The Compleat Bitch” - because those women will do ANYTHING in bed.
And some of the absolute best sex is with women with whom there’s little or no emotional attachement whatsoever.
“You guys keep assuming that women know everything you know about feminism.”
Mea culpa. As more women begin to experience men’s distrust, not to mention more men’s outrage at America’s double standards and institutionalized misandry, they’ll come around (well, at least the brighter ones will).
“Remember, they don’t read the same things you read.”
And they certainly aren’t going to hear much useful information from most of their favorite divas, either.
“They don’t have the same experiences.”
Those men who supported women’s rights didn’t have the same experiences as women, but they learned, didn’t they!
“And they are constantly influenced by a society that tells them to behave the way they are.”
LOL…. Those poor women…. forced to play along with all of those entitlements, privileges, and diminished responsibilities because it’s “society’s fault”.
Don’t be daft - women have been playing along because they ENJOY those privileges and double standards, Teri.
“Instead of insulting them, educate them.”
Teri, a fair number of women richly deserve insults. So do a fair number of men, for that matter.
Hey, you want to “educate” women, be my guest.
Tom Leykis does precisely that…. but then again, he’s being paid seven figures to teach men and women while selling advertizing time.
February 6, 2007 at 2:09 pm
chas said,
February 6, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Steven Guess said,
February 6, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Teri Stoddard said,
Gee, thanks for holding your tongue.
I know exactly how badly some men have been treated, by women, the courts and society. I’ve been in the fathers’ movement for over 4 years. I do pay attention, you know. Maybe you don’t realize or remember…I blog about these things, right here on MND, not to mention being in RADAR’s VAWA Reform Coalition.
“Women will start begging for change in numbers when they realize that allowing men in society to be mistreated through institutionalized misandry is adversely affecting them as well.”
Exactly. And if they don’t read generalizations insulting all women, maybe they’ll stick around long enough to read.
“And if you don’t understand THAT particular point, then you don’t understand the self-centered nature, egotistical nature of most American women”
I guess I don’t, not like you describe. I’m not like that. My mom isn’t like that. None of my daughters are like that. In fact, none of my friends are like that. All I’ve had to do is explain the situation to people and they understand and agree.
“Women will start pressing for change when they begin to feel the pain of men’s frustration and mistrust…… and that process is already underway.”
From what I can see, women are coming onboard because a man in their lives is dealing with an injustice. I bet those men did not get their support by demanding it. The women either saw their suffering and want it to end, or they are directly affected by the injustice, financially or otherwise.
“The absolute last thing that mensnewsdaily.com needs as a forum is for women to feel as if special accomodations are being made for them.”
I absolutely agree, and that’s not what I wrote. It’s not about accomodating. It’s about marketing. I know, it’s too much to ask someone to hold their tongue when they’re venting. No, wait, you did it. ; ) Don’t worry, I know we’re all human. It’s just that if you have something to say to women, I’d like them to be able to hear it.
“Sigh……… Teri, some of the absolute best sex in the world, as experienced from a man’s perspective happens with the kind of psycho-bitches-from-hell who make positively awful girlfriends/wives/mothers. That’s one of the reasons why some guys tolerate relationships with “The Compleat Bitch” - because those women will do ANYTHING in bed.”
Uhh…umm…hmm…I’m sorry you haven’t found a woman you can love and respect who will do anything in bed. It’s 2007. You don’t need bitches to do freaky stuff nowadays.
“And some of the absolute best sex is with women with whom there’s little or no emotional attachement whatsoever.”
Yeah, well, I’m still struggling with that one. I’ve decided I wish I was a male when it comes to sex and emotions.
“And they certainly aren’t going to hear much useful information from most of their favorite divas, either.”
So you agree it would be good if they read a few things here?
“LOL…. Those poor women…. forced to play along with all of those entitlements, privileges, and diminished responsibilities because it’s “society’s fault”. Don’t be daft - women have been playing along because they ENJOY those privileges and double standards, Teri.”
Sorry, I have to disagree. If a woman has no idea that her privledges harm men, she can not be held responsible. A person has to know about something to condone it.
“Hey, you want to “educate” women, be my guest.”
I already do. I’ve been singing men’s praises and educating the over 3000 single mothers in my single parent peer support group on Yahoo for four years. And I know I’m successful. I’ve had women write to me, thanking me, telling me how much better they communicate with their baby’s father. And some of them are now spreading the knowledge to other boards and other people.
“Tom Leykis does precisely that…. but then again, he’s being paid seven figures to teach men and women while selling advertizing time.”
I have to disagree again. Leykis speaks to his audience, men. Why would any woman want to listen to a guy saying she’s only valuable while she’s young, thin and beautiful? I think if he had his way, women would self-destruct when they hit 29-years-old. If you agree with him you’re saying I’m not worth anything. Is this true? Have I wasted the last four years trying to help you guys? Is my work worthless?
February 6, 2007 at 7:24 pm
The Gonzman said,
This is why I want these assbags here:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/02/06/gay-rights-women%e2%80%99s-rights-civil-rights-and-habeas-corpus-the-historical-case-for-socially-liberal-politics-in-america/
Now, could you EVER imagine some Feminazi or Libtard board EVER allowing be to bitch-slap one of their own like that?
And it makes it all the more sweet that he is fully allowed - and licensed - to muster whatever facts he can to rebut me, and Mr. “I’m a College Edumacated Person” starts foaming at the mouth and letting everyone see him for what he is.
I tell ya, mate - I couldn’t PAY for material like this. I couldn’t script such a “straight line” for someone to come in and spout it so I could slap them down.
Candy, baby…It doesn’t get any better than this.
February 6, 2007 at 7:26 pm
The Gonzman said,
And you have hit the nail here, though deflected to another place…which is neither here nor there, for the nonce.
But the general idea is yes, most women are absolutely clueless as to just how much privilege they have; though they are taught by the feminist infected society we live it how poor and downtrodden and oppressed they are.
February 6, 2007 at 9:11 pm
fourthwire said,
Don’t mention it.
“I know exactly how badly some men have been treated, by women, the courts and society.”
Then why the hell do you need me to point out that very few if any men hate ALL women?
Why do you need the reassurance of the disclaimers “many” or “most” before the word “women”?
“I’ve been in the fathers’ movement for over 4 years. I do pay attention, you know.”
Really? I am guessing even before I read your entire post that you STILL want to turn MND into some vaginized version of itself to try to appeal to women’s delicate aversion to some basic facts about themselves (and to some about men).
“Maybe you don’t realize or remember…I blog about these things, right here on MND, not to mention being in RADAR’s VAWA Reform Coalition.”
Good for you. Your words while posting will have to stand on their own merits, though.
“Exactly. And if they don’t read generalizations insulting all women, maybe they’ll stick around long enough to read.”
When the generalizations insulting women are GENERALLY true, then it’s tough luck for those women with thin skins. I have no patience for their feelings being hurt, when those generalizations are not relevant with respect to them.
They are welcome to tune into Dr. Phil or Oprah, and hear nice, politically-correct female-talk until their poor ruffled feelings have healed.
“I guess I don’t, not like you describe. I’m not like that. My mom isn’t like that. None of my daughters are like that. In fact, none of my friends are like that.”
If you are not like those egocentric, self-centered women that I described, then how could you logically be offended by my characterization of them?
“From what I can see, women are coming onboard because a man in their lives is dealing with an injustice.”
That may indeed be all that you perceive.
The rest may need louder wake-up calls that growing numbers of America’s men are sick to death of double-standards, female entitlement and privileges, not to mention gender apartheid.
“I bet those men did not get their support by demanding it.”
LOL…. Why not?
If women can enjoy the support of men by demanding it (remember women’s liberation?), then why would you choose to believe that men could not garner women’s support by demanding it?
“The women either saw their suffering and want it to end, or they are directly affected by the injustice, financially or otherwise.”
Fine. Many more women will only act when it is in their best interests to do so - after all, women are by and large far too egocentric and self-centered in this nation to do otherwise, as I have already pointed out.
“It’s not about accomodating. It’s about marketing.”
LOL…. be serious.
First of all, whether you will admit it or not, you know very well that you mean “accomodating” (or else you are rather obtuse, IMO).
Do you actually need me to point out that you are concerned with generalizations about SOME women insulting ALL women?
Aren’t you asking me to ACCOMODATE those women visiting MND?
Secondly, you’re as thick as brick if you believe that a site like MENSnewsdaily ought to be “marketing” to women.
Any first-year marketing undergrad could tell you that to “market” concepts to women, a forum without the word “MEN” in it might be just the ticket.
“It’s just that if you have something to say to women, I’d like them to be able to hear it.”
If women have trouble with my English, that’s THEIR problem.
And if their itty-bitty feelings are so easily hurt, then it’s back to the Vagina Monologues and Dr. Phil with them……..
“Uhh…umm…hmm…I’m sorry you haven’t found a woman you can love and respect who will do anything in bed.”
I’m sorry that you haven’t found a woman you can love and respect who will do anything in bed right back, Teri.
“It’s 2007. You don’t need bitches to do freaky stuff nowadays.”
You don’t need bitches, period, but as I mentioned before, they tend to be among the more exciting women in bed, which is why so many men try to tolerate or ignore their behavior out of bed.
And you could have learned as much from listening to Leykis’ radio broadcasts - which also serve the purpose of educating women like yourself about how men think and what men want.
“Yeah, well, I’m still struggling with that one. I’ve decided I wish I was a male when it comes to sex and emotions.”
Good luck with that one, in that case, since you weren’t born with the right genitals, the right sort of brain, or enough of the right hormones.
“So you agree it would be good if they read a few things here?”
Would you agree that MENSnewsdaily.com has as its primary audience MEN? (Otherwise Mike LaSalle would have named the site WOMENSNEWSDAILY.com?)
“Sorry, I have to disagree. If a woman has no idea that her privledges harm men, she can not be held responsible. A person has to know about something to condone it.”
You’re as welcome to disagree as I am to laugh at your mendacity.
Remember how German civilians claimed to not know about the concentration camps in their midst, after the Allied victory in 1945?
Do you actually believe that women don’t understand the consequences for men when women commit paternity fraud? Or reproductive rape? Or use the power of the law to deny men the same right to belong in a family as women have the right to be in the workplace? Teri, are you suggesting that women are mentally deficient humans?
You are apparently confusing women’s self-centered, egotitistical nature for “blissful ignorance”, Teri.
“I already do. I’ve been singing men’s praises and educating the over 3000 single mothers in my single parent peer support group on Yahoo for four years. And I know I’m successful. I’ve had women write to me, thanking me, telling me how much better they communicate with their baby’s father. And some of them are now spreading the knowledge to other boards and other people.”
Great! Continue addressing women on other forums, since your apparent wish to vaginize forums on MND will be almost certainly disappointed, if I’m any judge.
“I have to disagree again. Leykis speaks to his audience, men.”
Wrong again. His PRIMARY AUDIENCE is men. He also addresses women as well, since quite a few women tune in (and he doesn’t attempt to pull his punches or show concern about hurting their feelings in the least, either).
Those women who tune in often learn quickly enough that he’s going to address them bluntly and truthfully, and certainly not revert to politically-correct language or half-truths or soothing nonsense to avoid offending them.
As I wrote earlier, he teaches women how men think, and what men want.
And it’s a good lesson too, since too many American women have convinced themselves that men want everything that women want.
“Why would any woman want to listen to a guy saying she’s only valuable while she’s young, thin and beautiful?”
Women listen to Leykis for several reasons, the most relevant ones involving learning how men think and what men want.
And since he is among the most TRUTHFUL individuals broadcasting, those individual women stand to gain potentially valuable answers to those questions about men that they might have.
As for the more stupid women….. they often take the role of Useful Idiots on his program.
“I think if he had his way, women would self-destruct when they hit 29-years-old.”
If he had his way, many women would make greater attempts to take the fork out of their mouths.
“If you agree with him you’re saying I’m not worth anything.”
I do agree with him, but since I’m not interested in sex with you, you’re of limited value to me anyway.
“Is this true? Have I wasted the last four years trying to help you guys? Is my work worthless?”
Teri, I never ASKED for your help. I don’t NEED your help. I’m a MAN, Teri. When I want assistance, I seek it from individuals appropriate to the situation.
It’s clear to me that you still don’t understand that MENSnewsdaily is not a forum intended to accomodate women’s vulnerable feelings.
Stay or go, continue with your efforts or stop - it’s all the same as far as I’m concerned.
The Men’s Rights Movement will continue to make progress in either case, I’ll warrant….. thanks to individuals like Dave Usher, Carey Roberts, Glenn Sacks, Denis, and others.
February 7, 2007 at 1:50 am
amfortas said,
There ARE good women out there. There ARE men who do not think only about a leg-over. Who do you think created the world we know, and who asked them to?
Teri must get tired of the constant use of ‘women’ when we mean ’some’, even ‘most’ women. Its a fair point. I am not lily-white in this regard.
But Guys, we MUST seek the good women to our cause. Our cause is not simply men’s rights but Truth, Justice, Equality and an end to the wicked, artificial division between men and women. Men and women were made to love and cherish one another. Isn’t that what we want to get back to?
We can justifiably point the finger at Feminism, at the men who pander to it and both sexes who plunder us all, and even the average woman who, despite education, access to TV, newspapers, the internet, whatever, pretends to not know anything. But alienating allies is not useful.
February 7, 2007 at 2:55 am
amfortas said,
“Teri, I never ASKED for your help. I don’t NEED your help. I’m a MAN, Teri. When I want assistance, I seek it from individuals appropriate to the situation.”
With respect, you are being crass. We face huge forces. We need ALL the help we can get. Being a MAN capitalised or not, hasn’t helped the situation we are in but rather has been the imputed cause. And we should not have to ask for help. It is for the benefit of us all, men and women. And any individual who joins us, of good heart and sound appreciation and understanding is fine by me.
February 7, 2007 at 3:05 am
Squiggy said,
Not to mention, conservative women are WAY better looking.
P.S. People, Teri is trying. Give her some elbow room. We all got here by our own personal paths.
February 7, 2007 at 6:26 am
fourthwire said,
She’s welcome to continue being a campaigner…. or not, as she sees fit. I don’t particularly give a rat’s ass about her “campaigns” - I have been trading POSTS with her, Amfortas.
“There ARE good women out there.”
Well thanks for the newsflash.
“There ARE men who do not think only about a leg-over.”
More genius from you……. There ARE men who have lost their testicles, there ARE men who are only interested in sex with blondes, there ARE men who………. Are you trying to write that men and women don’t ALL have to agree?
“Who do you think created the world we know, and who asked them to?”
You will have to be a bit more specific if you want those questions answered.
“Teri must get tired of the constant use of ‘women’ when we mean ’some’, even ‘most’ women. Its a fair point.”
Well fourthwire is getting tired of rather daft women assuming that the use of “women” in anyone’s post actually means “all women”…… necessitating the constant use of disclaimers, just to avoid hurting their feelings. Which is a fair point as well, I’ll warrant.
“But Guys, we MUST seek the good women to our cause.”
You might. I don’t. Good women will join our cause…. or not as THEY see fit (and attempting to turn a forum such as MND into another vaginized klatch to attract women isn’t necessary.
“Our cause is not simply men’s rights but Truth, Justice, Equality and an end to the wicked, artificial division between men and women.”
Wrong. “My” cause involves men’s/fathers’/boys’ rights. “Our” cause is likely “your” cause, with a bit of wishful thinking on your part.
“Men and women were made to love and cherish one another. Isn’t that what we want to get back to?”
Men and women were not made for reproductive rape, paternity fraud, false domestic violence accusations, male-hostile educational, workplace, and family policies. Do you want those policies to continue? (in your face, mate!)
“We can justifiably point the finger at Feminism, at the men who pander to it and both sexes who plunder us all, and even the average woman who, despite education, access to TV, newspapers, the internet, whatever, pretends to not know anything. But alienating allies is not useful.”
Neither is vaginizing forums such as MND, if you think about it……
February 7, 2007 at 11:14 am
fourthwire said,
LOL…… Written language is such an imperfect mechanism, isn’t it…. I am not angry at Teri or you.
Mind you, I do get annoyed at the hard-of-thinking, but your assumption that I am “angry” is quite incorrect.
And since you are obviously unaware, Teri and I have these little exchanges periodically.
And she still hasn’t quite grasped some key aspects regarding the nature of men.
“With respect, you are being crass.”
With respect right back, I am being blunt.
And Teri will get over it (she always does) soon enough……. at least until she determines that she ought to play mommy to those damned men who forget to put disclaimers in their sentences…..
“We face huge forces. We need ALL the help we can get.”
LOL…….. You might need ALL the help you can get. And I am not particularly interested in changing my style of writing on a site like MENSnewsdaily just to avoid frightening the little ladies away.
Mind you, if it were a site that offered them even greater special privileges and entitlements just for being born with a vagina, then repeated death threats wouldn’t frighten many women away, I’ll warrant.
“Being a MAN capitalised or not, hasn’t helped the situation we are in but rather has been the imputed cause.”
Bets?
“And we should not have to ask for help.”
We should not have to ask for help that’s not on our own terms.
“It is for the benefit of us all, men and women.”
Right now, MOST women believe that the present system of privileges, entitlements, and diminished responsibilities benefits them, Amfortas.
“And any individual who joins us, of good heart and sound appreciation and understanding is fine by me.”
Good for you, Amfortas. Any individual who joins us, but who doesn’t recognize that “women” does not mean “all women” needs the odd reminder, however bluntly delivered.
February 7, 2007 at 11:31 am
fourthwire said,
“And Teri will get over it (she always does) soon enough……. at least until she determines that she ought to AVOID ATTEMPTING TO PLAY “mommy” for those damned men who forget to put the usual disclaimers in their statements concerning women.”
February 7, 2007 at 2:18 pm
The Gonzman said,
Once I have made my subject - feminists - clear, though, I think it is also pretty clear what “such women” or “these women” refer to therafter in that article. I had that down in the fourth grade. It’s like pronouns - I start talking bad about Amfortas, and later use “he” or “him” ya’ll know who that refers to.
(Turn around, Amfortas, I’m not done talking about ya, yet.)
February 7, 2007 at 5:55 pm
Teri Stoddard said,
Yeah, we keep having these silly exchanges because you just can’t seem to grasp who I am or what I stand for. Or is it that you simply can’t believe that a female really wants to, and can, help men?
And before you repeat that men don’t need my help (or any woman’s help) tell me why my lobbyist insisted that women accompany him to lobby for equal parenting?
Never mind. I’m sure I won’t like your response. Have a nice day Gonz.
February 7, 2007 at 7:02 pm
fourthwire said,
Teri…… you are half-correct. We keep having these “silly” exchanges because you just can’t seem to grasp what I stand for.
And you apparently continue to harbor the daft notion that because you believe that you write in favor of men that you automatically know what’s best for me. I blame it on your being born with a vagina……;-)
“Or is it that you simply can’t believe that a female really wants to, and can, help men?”
Focus, please. I don’t give a rat’s ass whether you attempt to “help men” or not - your comments here on MENSnewsdaily are fair game (just as any man’s comments are!).
“And before you repeat that men don’t need my help (or any woman’s help) tell me why my lobbyist insisted that women accompany him to lobby for equal parenting?”
Does your lobbyist have a set of testicles, or do you carry those for him, as well?
Your lobbyist seems to believe that he needs a female with him to give whatever equal parenting issue credibility…….
Do you believe that the NOW-sows needed a man to give THEIR lobbyists “credibility” when they rammed misandrist legislation through Congress?
Of course not. Then why would men need a woman simply to give credibility to THEIR political lobbying?
Like many other women, you apparently have an overblown perception of your own value, Teri.
“Never mind. I’m sure I won’t like your response.”
You don’t like my responses, but you felt that you had to provide your own reply.
How very much like a woman…….;-)
February 7, 2007 at 10:34 pm
donnieboy57 said,
gonzman has never been an alan alda and hopefully, never will. nuke em all gonzomeister.
how long would oprah last if she pandered to me?
February 7, 2007 at 10:36 pm
fourthwire said,
One doesn’t have to read TOO many of his posts and blogs to understand that there’s a man with his priorities straight and a clear field of fire.
February 7, 2007 at 10:47 pm
amfortas said,
You don’t want help, especially from women, and that’s your choice, but many more men do. There has been a legion of men lost in the courts because they had no one standing with them either.
Reject away if that’s your mind, but when you are in strife it would be nice to think that some one, some of us perhaps, would come to your aid nonetheless.
Men AND women are needed to come to the aid of men who are beset by cops banging on the door at the drop of a 911 call and a false allegation. Men AND women are needed in LARGE numbers to attend the kangaroo Family Courts to show solidarity and tell the Judges and court officials that we will no longer put up with lies, false accusations and stacked decks.
By all means go alone Forthwire. As so many men have before you. What we need is an army, not just loners. But if you think you can, by yourself, get through to the likes of Joe Biden, then pack your peacemaker and go see him. We’ll just watch and cheer, unless you object to that too.
(I am still listening Gonz. Did you have something to say?)
February 7, 2007 at 11:31 pm
fourthwire said,
No more so than any other man, Amfortas.
“You don’t want help, especially from women, and that’s your choice, but many more men do.”
Wrong again. I don’t NEED help (especially from women). But glad to see that you recognize that it’s MY choice. If other men feel the need to hand their testicles over to women, that’s THEIR choice.
“Reject away if that’s your mind, but when you are in strife it would be nice to think that some one, some of us perhaps, would come to your aid nonetheless.”
If and when I come to strife, it will not be to someone like Teri that I will turn to for assistance.
“Men AND women are needed to come to the aid of men who are beset by cops banging on the door at the drop of a 911 call and a false allegation.”
Actually you are quite wrong again. A good lawyer is necessary for those men beset by false allegations.
“Men AND women are needed in LARGE numbers to attend the kangaroo Family Courts to show solidarity and tell the Judges and court officials that we will no longer put up with lies, false accusations and stacked decks.”
And women will no doubt help fight against institutionalized misandry…….. But if enough men stand up for themselves and REFUSE TO MARRY, REFUSE TO FATHER CHILDREN, then women will start to realize that their days of entitlement and diminished responsibility are finished. With or without women supporters, mind you.
“By all means go alone Forthwire.”
As if I needed your permission, Amfortas.
“What we need is an army, not just loners.”
Well thanks for the newsflash. What we need are for more men to start growing a set.
“But if you think you can, by yourself, get through to the likes of Joe Biden, then pack your peacemaker and go see him. We’ll just watch and cheer, unless you object to that too.”
LOL….. if enough men grow a sack and throw Joe Biden out of office by vote, then nobody needs to act alone.
And I’ll just watch and laugh….. at him as well as at you.
Try to keep up, mate.
February 7, 2007 at 11:53 pm
amfortas said,
Now now, be a nice gentleman. I don’t have a permission to give and one was not proffered.
February 8, 2007 at 12:29 am
julie said,
Thanks for the invitation. I’ll just be another … well whatever.
February 8, 2007 at 8:52 am
Teri Stoddard said,
Plus, if I stopped, I wouldn’t keep getting all of these emails from parents thanking me for what I do. And I really enjoy getting them.
Teri
February 8, 2007 at 11:52 am
fourthwire said,
Certainly our interests barely overlap concerning issues like parenting.
And while I recognize that men must wrest for themselves the same rights to be in their families as women have rights to be in the workplace, I would counsel those young men who aren’t interested in fatherhood to avoid becoming avaricious women’s sperm donors and walking ATM cards, first and foremost.
We are not in agreement on any number of topics that you care to mention, so one more or less is irrelevant in the Grand Scheme of Things.
Nothing to do but try to stop the bleeding and trudge onwards, I guess……..;-)
February 8, 2007 at 4:20 pm
MartianBachelor said,
I mean, besides the fact that it’s perceived as being the other team?
Is it the constitution, the individual rights, the limitations on the power of the state, the open and fair elections, the equality of opportunity, or what?
February 8, 2007 at 4:27 pm
red pill said,
But other than that, it’s a ways to go…
February 8, 2007 at 4:48 pm
The Gonzman said,
Other than the fact that liberals constantly preach against a constructionist view of the constitution and seek to see it as “changing” to suit their political aims, scorn individualism in favor of collectivism, seek to centralize and increase the power of the state, challenge any election they lose willy-nilly, and seek equality of result over equality of opportunity…..
IOW, what liberals do speaks so loudly I can’t hear what they say.
February 8, 2007 at 4:57 pm
zed said,
Strange how with women everything boils down to sex, yet they accuse us men of being the ones who are obsessed with it. This comment also indicates the belief that women have nothing else to offer men.
amfortas and fourthwire are great examples of the split which is currently happening in whatever it is that passes for a “men’s movement” these days. I don’t believe there will ever be a unified men’s movement which is a mirror image of feminism - which basically amounts to “any and all women for any and all women, supporting any woman’s position against any man’s.”
Instead, there seems to be emerging a “Father’s Rights” arm, and a “Non-Father’s Rights” arm. While their effects could be complementary to each other, their goals and purposes do not overlap much. I certainly understand the positions take by the FR guys, and the reasons for them, but it is precisely the hell that they have been through as a result of committing the crime of fatherhood which has convinced the NFR guys to not commit (to) the same crime. I know guys who have spent far more on defending themselves against accusations of the crimes of fatherhood than most people caught red-handed selling crack cocaine.
While the FR guys might need women as allies, to the NFR guys women are completely irrelevant. It’s great that some women are working for amnesty for fathers, but not everyone is willing to gamble the future quality of their lives on women ever actually accomplishing anything in that regard.
Fathers are like the men on the Titanic, with the “officers” (of the family court) firing pistols at them to keep them out of the lifeboats. Having a few women plead their case is not particularly likely to change the situation. Most will drown waiting for things to change, and when push comes to shove few women will choose to drown when they have a guaranteed seat in the lifeboat.
Fellows like fourthwire are like the guys on the Titanic who saw what was going down, and started tearing up decking planks and smashing the ballroom furniture in order to build themselves survival rafts. Once they had their rafts built, women were not welcomed because they already had the lifeboats.
What is absolutely hilarious is the constant stream of women who come through here complaining that it isn’t “woman friendly.” Apparently despite claiming to be the exception, these women expect the same kinds of chivalrous bending over backward to accomodate them which has resulted in the destruction of standards for most professions - particularly those for police, fire fighters, and the military. It is also a strange echo of affirmative action and Sexual Harassment law that even in a place called “Men’s News Daily” all a woman has to do is say “This is a hostile environment” and some chivalrous males will immediate tell the reprobates to mind their manners - exactly the same thing men have faced at work, in school, and in every other former male sanctuary from the controlling nature of women.
The real contribution of women who expect men to constantly be french-kissing their rectums in order to keep them involved probably produce a net loss in time, energy, and effect when compared to what that time and energy might have produced if those women were simply ignored.
Rather than chivalrously lecturing the NFRs about being nice to the wimmin-folk, I encourage the FR guys to view every man who goes on the marriage strike as increasing the value of fathers and fatherhood by decreasing the number of men willing to do the job. In any labor market, the fewer people willing to do a given job, the higher the compensation those who are willing to do it can demand.
So, amfortas, the more guys like fourthwire there are, the more women will appreciate and value men like you - just as Teri’s abandonmen of her toxic sisterhood almost guarantees that some men will hand her a trophy just for being less horrible than many of the women they have known.
February 8, 2007 at 9:10 pm
steven deluca said,
Sometimes I say “women” when I mean feminists. Sometimes I say feminists, and forget to exclude some equity feminists. I really do appreciate your efforts to help men. I used to think, oh, about 30 years ago, after several years protesting “male bashing” that “men” would not just roll over and take it. I hoped, year after year, men would speak up. They didn’t. Well, some did, but not enough. Then I noticed that some of my female friends who used to be feminists could say not only what men would not, but said what some women could hear. That’s when I started having hope again.
I am the only man in Mendocino and Fort Bragg CA writing in the local paper “The Fort Bragg Advocate News” a weekly paper, to protest the public support, from feminist in all walks of life, including educators if a repeat performance of the Vagina Mono. I guess some child or adult must not hate men enough, so they are back.
Last week, and today, the weekly paper ran huge articles about the outpouring of support for the V day “Vagina Monolouges” with hundreds of words, photos, and so on. Next week the day before Valentines day, the play will have standing room only, bashing men and boys, asking us to protect only girls and women. The next day, third paper in a row, will write how so many people are moved to continue making V day a day for “Violencce, Victory and Vagina” They are removing the romantic heterosexual man as gift giver, and romantic, to replace that holiday with men battering and raping women and girls.
There will be no man protesting besides me, its been that way, year by year. My kids are told that their dad must not like women.
Once a woman protested, a worker for the safe house, because after attacking me in the paper, I share articles with her. She wrote a letter to the editor protesting the Vagina M… other than her, that’s been it. I would love it if ANY man or women protested… I don’t believe there are enough men with balls to stop the feminists. And if not, then I am damn glad some women are trying to help. Thanks for your support of men. SD
February 8, 2007 at 10:47 pm
Teri Stoddard said,
I appreciate the opportunity I’ve been given to ask questions to men who don’t hold back. I’ve learned more about men in the last four years than I have the rest of my life. So I’m curious about male sex. Big deal. So I’m a woman who loves sex. Big deal. Get over it.
If you guys want to bridge the gender gap, find a way that women can have sex without her emotions being triggered by orgasms. Now that would make someone a millionaire. I’d be first in line.
February 8, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Teri Stoddard said,
February 8, 2007 at 11:14 pm
zed said,
Teri,
I think men’s emotions are triggered every bit as much in sex as women’s are. I’ve certainly never found the purely physical component of it to be worth all the hassle it has become. The grisly ordeal coming up next week of V-Day is testament to that - men aren’t paying women off for the physical pleasure they have gotten from them, they are paying “protection money” to women to ward off the emotional abuse they will have to endure if they don’t cough up the baubles.
And, I don’t believe as you do that taking the emotional component out of it and making a purely physical act would solve everything and bridge the gender gap. In fact, I think it would take away what little that men and women have left to offer each other.
You may have mentioned sex only one time, but that is all you mentioned as a downside of distrusting women. Chris Rock did a great bit on this when he asked the women in his audience if they didn’t have vaginas what could they do make their men happy. The women came back with “oral? anal? handjobs?” to which Rock responded “Hey, there are lots of things you could do to make your man happy - cook him a nice meal, go to a ball game with him, give him a backrub. All the things life has to offer, and you women just think of yourselves as 3 holes.”
Having been beaten to death with the whole “rape” and “sexual harassment” hysteria, more and more men are simply saying “to hades with it” and giving up even trying to bridge the gender gap and are finding ways to live comfortably on their side of it. For every Amandagon or feministing-bot out there - women who would be completely emotionally toxic for a man to be involved with - there has to be a man who comes to terms with the fact that he either has to compete with other men for an ever shrinking pool of non-toxic women, or live without one. Those guys who are still convinced that there are enough such women left for it to be worth looking for one are always climbing on the guys who don’t believe that there are to “get out and look for them.” No one seems to understand or accept those guys who are saying “no thanks.” And, as Chris Rock demonstrated, when a guy does say “No thanks. What else do you have to offer?” a lot of women don’t have any answer.
February 9, 2007 at 8:46 am
Denis said,
dead nuts on target. wish I had more to add of significance but you said it all.
The shortage is not with the number of supportive women-that number is never likely to become significant.
The shortage is in the number of American men with stones.
The marriage strike is the American males most powerful weapon. And it can be done passively. This is already having an impact and in 10, 20 years this alone will affect major change.
And if enough men with stones actually made some active efforts, like voting out Biden, then things could change at an even faster pace.
February 9, 2007 at 9:45 am
Denis said,
THE WORLD’S SHORTEST & HAPPIEST FAIRY TALE
Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl, “Will you marry me?”
The girl said, “NO!”
And the guy lived happily ever after and went fishing, hunting, played golf and drank a lot of beer - whenever he wanted.
THE END
February 9, 2007 at 11:23 am
Teri Stoddard said,
It’s not that way for most women. Science has proven it.
I now believe the reason there are so many cold-hearted women who use men for sex without emotion, is due to their adapting to the sexual revolution. I think very few women can detach emotionally easily. I think it’s a defense mechanism.
And unfortunately for me, I’m too damn sweet to pull it off. Let me tell ya, it sucks when you want to take it slow and your heart tells you you’re already in love. It’s the reason women do all those stupid things early-on that drive you guys nuts. It drives me nuts too!
: )
February 9, 2007 at 3:16 pm
fourthwire said,
Women have been using men for sex long before “the sexual revolution”, so from a cause-and-effect perspective, your statement is not true.
And you are certainly not describing a “defense mechanism”, since women are free to have sex or not as they wish.
February 9, 2007 at 6:12 pm
fourthwire said,
I just wish that I could have written half as articulately…….
Denis, thank you for your kind words.
February 9, 2007 at 6:19 pm
zed said,
Well, Teri, I certainly have nothing to gain from lying to you. And, I can’t imagine what you might gain from disbelieving what I say. Perhaps your distrust of men has affected your sex life - maybe in ways you have yet to realize or understand.
If men were as nonchalant about the emotional component of sex as you seem to believe, I doubt that withholding it would have been as powerful a tool for women as it has been through the ages. Nor can I imagine that the old Motown standard “Ain’t too proud to beg” by the Temptations (http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thebigchill/ainttooproudtobeg.htm) would have been such an enduring classic if it did not touch and speak to something very deep and primal.
As far as “the book” goes, I have read a lot of world-class nonsense in books. It is just about as easy to put BS into print as it is to spew it verbally.
On the topic of “taking it slow”, Redbook did a survey a few years ago and the vast majority of women who responded said that they would break up with a man who had not initiated sex by a certain deadline. My own personal experience has been that if a man hasn’t put the moves on a woman by the third date he starts to get the “are you gay” game run on him.
The flip side of that is even uglier. Fifteen years ago I had a lot of female friends, but one by one they destroyed the friendships when they wanted to “take it to the next level” and I refused. There is no “next level” in a friendship - a friendship is a friendship. I don’t make “friends” under false pretenses as a halfway point to getting them into bed.
So, here we are, on our respective sides of Gender Gap. You don’t believe what I tell you, and I now organize my life in such a way that it doesn’t matter to me one way or the other whether you believe me or not.
Welcome to the Brave New World that feminism created.
February 9, 2007 at 6:34 pm
amfortas said,
I don’t seek appreciation for me, Zed, particularly from women. I seek it for Truth, Honesty, Justice, Equality, Family and the raft of attributes that flow from them. I am far to old, ugly and knackered to be valued by women and frankly I have lost trust in women. All women.
I treat women as I treat men. What they DO is what matters, not what they promise or say they will do. Teri is a DOer. She does her thing on behalf of Truth, Honesty, Justice, Equality, Family not simply men. And she does it well. That’s why she gets my positive support.
I appreciate the observation about the MRM and Fathers Rights division too. One is a sub-set of the other though, not seperate. One is focused, quite reasonably, and the other, where I probably lean, is much broader. There is scope for both.
To be frank, over the years I have become less interested in the simple male - female dichotomy and arguements as to which is more or less valuable or to be defended. We are overwhelmed by female lies and distortions and any woman who can find her way out from under it all is a rarity and a gem.
I am much more concerned with the sickness that bestets our civilisation, the dominating, arrogant filth that serves as Judges, the cant and money grubbing of so many sections of society that used to be above all that, the distortion of Law, the destruction of the academic seeking of truth, the refusal by many so even look impartially at the foul mess that femonazism has made, the hypocracy of the Liberal Left, the abnegation of responsibility of the individualistic, Corporate Right, the capitulations of the rich and poor to lies and extortion. I get as mad as all hell sometimes and just want to take up arms.
So, the supply of Forthwires notwithstanding and the appreciation of women or its lack beside the point, hand me a gun or send me the way of John Murtari.
I see little point in all the nonesense back and forths within the MRM regarding who is in and who is out. Our society is in its death throws. I prefer to go down fighting. Any man here who thinks that the feminist-led damage to our civilisation can be reversed by talk can carry on talking but real change will occur when thousands upon thousands of men say ‘f*ck you, you bastards, jail me, I have a dick, and let me see you try’. Only when men stand up and TEAR DOWN the lawyers, the liars, the academic traitors to their creed, the disgraceful filth Judges, the legislator carrio