Thanks.
The V-Day movement is an international campaign to raise awareness of violence against women. In the process, it demonizes men by portraying them as potential rapists and abusers and women as helpless victims.
In a 2005 survey of 2,500 University of Florida and University of South Carolina students, 22% reported being victims of physical assaults by their dates. Of those who had experienced incidents of partner violence, 32% of women reported being the perpetrators. Only 24% of the men did. In cases of psychological abuse such as belittling a partner or preventing him/her from seeing family and friends, 57% of women reported being the perpetrator compared to 50% of the men. Men aren’t always the villains in cases of abuse.
The time has come for a counter-movement. As a society, we should realize that most men are good people. A friend of mine suggested that we repackage Valentine’s Day as Valor Day. It would be a day to honor not only men who have performed heroic deeds, but also to recognize the contributions of ordinary guys who work hard, support families and produce things that benefit society.
Next door to me, a construction crew has been working hard on a townhouse complex since early summer. It was an old military housing complex that had become decrepit, so the government decided to replace it. Men came and bulldozed the old townhouses and cleared the rubble. I recall how precisely and carefully the backhoe operators loaded the rubble gently and quietly into dump trucks. Men came to compact the soil and re-grade the land, working in the hot summer sun often until dark. They poured, leveled and polished the slabs the homes would be placed on. Men excavated and laid pipe, once despite snow. The men poured asphalt and smoothed it into parking lots. They built the more distant townhouses. Those homes them are already occupied with lights on at night and cars in the parking lot. Men are now building the homes closest to where I live. From early morning until dusk, they labor six days a week framing and building them. They continued when it was windy with temperatures in the 20s. The two telescopic handlers run all day lifting materials to the second storeys of the houses. The men working up there unload the materials and continue building with them. I’m always impressed by how hard they work, (By the way, the work crews are American. Americans will do these jobs and work diligently at them). These men not only support families, but also help our nation. The townhouses they are building will house the families of the Army personnel who care for our wounded troops at a military hospital.
Whether on construction sites, in factories, in retail facilities or in offices, men work to support their families and to provide products and services to us all. During their time off, those who have wives and children, try to be good husbands and fathers. There is valor in that willingness to work hard, to work long hours and to work in harsh or dangerous conditions.
Valentine’s Day should not be an occasion on which to emphasize the bad things a minority of men do. It should be a time when men and women value each other. A woman can appreciate her good, hard working mate by cooking his favorite meal, buying him a gift and a card that lets him know how much he is appreciated.
Copyright Eva Ellsworth, 02/11/07, all rights reserved
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steven deluca said,
When our house was being built my wife seemed surprised at the hourly charges of painters, electricians, carpenters, plumbers. I have worked many of those jobs and told her to look at this one young guy on a oof peak, with a long fall possible, and how I saw his fear one day, and remembered mine when I put on roofs as a youn man. How dangerous is roofing? - ask insurance agents. I showed her how much dust was in the air where a guy was sanding plaster and sheet rocking, I said listen to the strain in his voice, labored breathing,from thousands of hours of breating such dust, masks come off sometimes, and are insufferable while on… he will die young. We discussed how they had to find other jobs when ours was finished, plus buy insurance, plus equipment, plus pay into retirement, no paid vacations. They work very long hours to make up for lean times. Those things are missed by many women who only discuss hourly or yearly wages. Thank you for noticing. If more women did, the gender war would slow down greatly I am sure.
SD
February 11, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Charles Fockaert said,
There’s a thing or two more a wife can do to let him know how much he is appreciated - but that’s a great start. LOL
February 11, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Elder George said,
February 11, 2007 at 9:19 pm
thurston861 said,
I sure did find out that I was wrong.
February 11, 2007 at 9:24 pm
thurston861 said,
February 11, 2007 at 9:28 pm
roger said,
“As a society, we should realize that most men are good people.”
This is perfectly obvious to people that live and work in the real world.
As a society, we should realize that most women are also good people.
Even though women are the leading abusers and murderers of children in the American home. Yes, most women are OK.
But some pour scalding water or oil on their children. Some starve their children.
Some drowned their children.
Some beat their children.
Some rape their children or lock them in closets. Some humiliate their children or encourage their boyfriends to have sex with their children.
Yes, as a society we should recognize that most men and women are decent.
But we should also recognize the farce of the current domestic violence policies - that exclude children as victims - and point the finger of blame at men, when women are the leading abusers and murderers of children.
V-Day for valor? Sure. But that is always as it has been.
Howabout V-Day for violence against children by women??
How about a college/high school campus play written to expose/glamorize that?
Call it “The Abused and Murdered Children Monologues”.
February 11, 2007 at 9:32 pm
thurston861 said,
Here! Here!
February 11, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Steven Guess said,
Can we not speak out against rape without you having to clarify “but most men are cool.”
Moreover, what’s this business about men taking credit as a gender for all construction projects? I got news for you, I had nothing to do with the building project near your house. It says nothing about me that those men worked hard, it says something about THEM. I hope that my own personal accomplishments will speak for themselves, but I can’t take “gender credit” for what any man does, if only for the fact I’m not interested in taking “gender blame” for what some men do, be it the Holocaust or rape.
Lastly, Valentines Day, last I checked, is still about saying and doing something wonderful for the person you love. The notion that we should also remember people abused on this day does not bother me in the slightest.
I don’t know if you’ve ever spent time with rape victims, but the notion that you’re spending your time speaking out AGAINST raising awareness of these women health issues, instead of writing an article talking about the importance of awareness, is absurd to me. That statistics are there, it happens, lets teach our boys to treat girls with respect, and vice versa.
February 12, 2007 at 3:23 am
TheManOnTheStreet said,
TMOTS
February 12, 2007 at 6:32 am
conservativation said,
The left has stolen the language and dumbed it down to the point that it means far less than it was intended. Soft verbs have replaced hard verbs, and soft verbs indeed are a characteristic tool of the left—to speak of action and in fact do nothing—and the left is accomplished at using them.
The example here is “raising awareness”. I’d like to see an explanation of what that means. To me it means a bunch of nutters wearing multi-colored ribbons standing around with napkins wrapped around cocktails discussing their “feelings” about, what, rape?, gender oppression?, global climate change?, fur wearing? breast cancer?. Please introduce me to the women that need their awareness raised about rape.
If the left wasn’t so busy rasing awareness perhaps they could get on with doing something.
The priest analogy, like most from the left, fails miserably. And, it DOES demonize them! Men are not hiding inside a facade that by it’s nature suggests harmlessness and kindness, like priests, so to explain that there could be potential danger from even that least expected place based on some shocking events, that can be useful, but again I say, not in the context of a bunch of kooks standing around emoting in the Karl Marx Salon at the Beverly Hills Hilton.
Spend time with rape victims? Another good one, instead of the controlled environment of most leftist feel good volunteerisms, try working in a state prison. I taught life skills classes to murderers, rapists, and various other friendly fellows who, having not been out of doors in decades, needed help as they approached potential parole. No guard, no ribbons or cocktails, just me and 30 guys who 30 years earlier did some very ugly shit. Listen to their stories, not a father between them, all the pathologies of liberal policy manifest in one room. This excercise is far more valuable on a macro scale than all the boorish whining of the left.
Steven, stats show overwhelmingly that women abuse and murder their own kids at a higher rate than men do. Any problem with a massive awareness raising campaign?
Stats show illegitimacy much higher in certain minority groups, any problem raising awareness there?
A handful of gay men have raped and murdered young boys, any problem we raise awareness there? I’m sure you’d shout that one down, simply because in your world the prevalence is too low. Thereby, you transform yourself (as the left is want to do) into the arbitur of what statistic “deserves” an awareness raising campaign. And, since some of those mentioned are already discriminated against, better leave their pathologies alone to be more “fair”.
One campaign I favor is the one that says liberal arts graduate students go forth to contribute little of note to society (I know you have a finance degree as well…)
No one said YOU can take gender credit, or I can or any one individual. can you not see the difference between crediting the gender and crediting an individual member because of gender? I suppose not, for in that flawed thought process lies one root of failed feminist dogma.
Why do feminists defend some of the worst criminals, and excuse crime as resulting from issues unique to women? Andrea Yates drowned babies! Enough said. If the dad did that we’d be raising awareness about men and bathtubs. We have entire inner city laboratories in which to study the effects of magnification of the badness of white men, and ignoring or excusing or even enabling the wrongness of all others, gender, race, or otherwise to the point that many of the crimes decryed by feminists are literally nurthured and fostered and kindled and coddled by the very incompetent nanny state they have sought to create.
There is so incredibly much wrong with your thinking it boggles the mind. At least since we are not discussing your article, you cannot claim that we didnt “get it”
February 12, 2007 at 7:25 am
Big shooter said,
God forbid anyone say anything good about men or (HORRORS!!!) anything bad about women.
February 12, 2007 at 7:29 am
amfortas said,
SG:- “I got news for you, I had nothing to do with the building project near your house. It says nothing about me that those men worked hard..”
Yep. Nothing to do with you. You do not seem to share very much in common with men at all. Still, you are a self-proclaimed big hit with the feminista girls. I hope at least one sends you a Valentine Steffie.
February 12, 2007 at 8:32 am
thurston861 said,
Raise awareness…does this actually mean ‘make noise about a seemingly insignificant statistical fact?
Conserv…
you said ” just me and 30 guys who 30 years earlier did some very ugly shit. Listen to their stories, not a father between them, all the pathologies of liberal policy manifest in one room.”
I would like to see more on the specifc liberal pathologies.
Yes a direct indictment.
February 12, 2007 at 8:57 am
roger said,
actual real statistics show that rape on campuses never ever approach that number…but the fems on campus are going to march and INSIST that rape runs at that level…not only on campus but in society as a whole.
it is just another plank in the platform of lies the fems tout.
February 12, 2007 at 10:12 am
conservativation said,
February 12, 2007 at 11:45 am
steven deluca said,
I decided not to make mensnewsdaily my source to rant (or “show off” either, because I know I have prejudices- and typos, spelling errors - plus, if you fight with the same enemy too long, they learn all your moves - and ya, you are my enemy as long as you teach hatred and disrespect of men, or teach women to fear and disrespect men) so I have decided to “cool it” for awhile on mensnewsdaily becauase most people have heard enough of my stuff, to know where I am coming form, and I don’t wan to waste their time. (You don’t have the typos, spelling errors, but you have prejudices that become more and more apparent as well, it’s too bad you can’t see your self as clearly as you think you see gender issues.)
HOWEVER, because I am “so touchy” about male bashing and how feminist keep that “sugar and spice thing” going, and if a femiminist really wants to get me going drop a line like “talk to some rape victims - dumb ass” old issues of a violent and sexual nature well up - and despite wanting to ignore this one … or to keep it short, you really pissed me off.
You think we should let feminists take over Valentines day as if what? They don’t have adequate access to spread the word that rape is a really, really, really bad thing, already. I can make a list of things that are worse than rape … and the first thought you would have is that only a woman could judge that. Worse than rape, from the point of view of a man who has been raped by a woman, as a boy,… losing kids in a custody battle to a wife that poisons the child against you. A son being sent to prison, years, falsely accused of rape… I have more but this is going to be too long or a reply already.
We have “women’s history month” “April as Sexual Assault Awareness month” October as “Domestic Violence Awareness” month, and tens of thousands of women’s studies prgrams, and sexual harrassment workshop going into public schools. There is not child or adult who doesn’t think rape is bad, and we need to prevent it. Show me one man on this list that is “For Rape” … trust me, there are none. Yet your group suggests that we “men” chat it up with our “Buds” to stop rape by showing our disapproval, as if we are all in one big frat boy rape club. I know of no men suporting rape. I never have and I know lots of men. Who would we talk too. The men who rape, like the women who torture their children, are beyond a chat, or a Vagina Mono play. ALL you are doing is hiding that violence comes from both genders, starts young, and we men and women as partners need to work on this together, for all of us, all victims count, all perps need to be stopped. For 25 years the program you support is saying … hey, they are still doing it, 4 million a year, one ever 14 seconds, and no, we don’t think that other experts should be brought in to stop a victim or two from being harmed, just give us a billion dollars to support male bashing and we will tell you the same thing next years. These feminists are corrupt, powerful, and sold you a lie that hasn’t helped fix the problem and it’s time for true experts to take the stage and run all your bigoted friends out of town.
Eva, a woman - suggests that we keep one day for men, more than that, “Instead of another day of male bashing” “let’s honor men” would be closer to what she is saying… and YOU have a problem with that and none of us reading are too suprised, although we think your pettiness level is lower than we suspected.
What if we gave every day of the year to feminists, - then boys and girls could start the day with a fist in the air, saying we will not stop until we have all 12 months… every day, not until all women are safe from bastards…
My teens have heard, from 5th grade, to college, about rape,sexual violence, sexual harassment… on and on - a FEW times a year. What they didn’t hear was that mothers batter children, with boys being the most likely victims,with more injuries and deaths, and that if there is a cycle of violence, it often starts there. DO YOU KNOW THAT MOTHERS DO MOST PHYSICAL ABUSE, AND BOYS ARE THE TARGET… THis is a huge problem, so show me the writings of feminist women discussing that issue. Maybe you have a paper or article you wrote about it you would like to share with us, or a teacher in your femnists studies courses wrote one… Or is this acceptible to feminists?
My kids didn’t hear the real Titanic story others than, it went down. No one disscussed - in any of their classes, boys being sent to war (I talked to classes about this 20 years ago, little has changed since then) My son and daughter have heard almost nothing about gender issues facing boys and men in public school. And then you read Eva suggesting what, that we try to keep one day positive for men instead of another “horror show” -what I call feminist porno, they “get off” on it, never get enough… So that that one token day when men as romantic lovers, gift givers, should be seen, from now on, as “Victory, Violence and Vagina) Do you really think all this male bashing, and pretending women don’t do things like this, is a healthy way to bring up our children/??????????????????????? Question - in case you missed it on your way to write something clever that misses such questions, always.
You think we need to spend more time with rape victims so that we (males on mensnewsdaily) get it, so that we would be as sensitive and understanding as thee? I was a rape victim as a prschooler,…My plumber was abused with booze and drugs as a boy, and while the Vagina M crew cheers a girl being sexually abused … his memories of being drunk, high, with an old fat and not too clean women, caused him significant problems in his life. John Irving (the writer) Antoine Fisher, of the film “Antoine Fisher” both were boys forced with violence, to have sew with adult women. In the book “Guilty be Reason of Insanity a six year old boy is forced to have oral sex with his mom. None of these men, including me, is recorded by the cops, or feminist stats, and all were victims of women… we don’t talk about it, (I have started too because I am sick of the femnist bullshit about such topics… people are not “seeking us out” because they don’t think we are out here, just as incest was once thought extremely rare, but when others went looking, they found many cases that were true and some false.
Men are brought up to shut up about their pain (not because our forefathers were jerks but because they knew, decades ago, and today, that working as men do, living as men do… they need to suck it up, period.
I have spent time with rape victims, as a cop and counselor for teens, and with a couple of my closest women friends including two women I lived with…and also I have helped more than one man… It’s not because we are a bunch of Dumb F^%$#’s that are cluees about rape, that we protest the rare time men are celebrated, or when “couples” are celebrated it’s because we know what you know, rape, abuse, and all violence toward women is wrong, harmful, we just take it to both genders while you are still getting your head patted for only proteting one gender. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IGNORING VIOLENCE TOWARDS BOYS AND MEN, MAKES THE WORLD SAFER FOR WOMEN????????????? Another question.
You don’t seem to “get it” SG - Feminists are WRONG about the roots of rape and sexual harassment. It’s not patriarchy, or oppression, rape isn’t about power, it’s about powerlessness … MEN don’t rape, or kill, WOMEN don’t rape or kill, screwed up people do these things… some men and women do because they were abused as children, and ended up untreated, stressed, on drugs, living in povererty … on and on while your group suggests that all lines of class and education are crossed for such crimes to make all men look like potential perps. Excuse me, violence is rare at the top, common at the bottom, poverty, ignorance and child abuse are the source, not testosterone.
And please skip war atrocities, they happen to women and men, in horrible ways. If you want to understand war read “Achilles in Viet Nam”
Is there ever, one point made about feminists, or feminist programs, that you won’t argue from the point of view that makes any trait of women look - you know, selfish, or manipulative, if not cruel? Is there some trait common to men that as a many you are proud of????? If not, why don’t you find those things before you waste time defending those rare times that some of us still want to honor, … Like VALENTINES day, a day of love, set an example, stop always tearing men down, and don’t presume that any man who disagrees with you knows noting about rape, violence, and sexual abuse, because if we did, what? we would be feminists?
SD
PS from now on It’s Valentine’s day or Valor day, because I said so and I know way more about both genders, rape, and crime, and the psychology of gender than Eve Ensler ever will. That goes for you two if you don’t broaden your outlook a bit to include gender issues that are not written in stone from women’s studies only. Gender is much more complex and those who study it are much more diversified than what you have shared so far. Equality can’t be found in a book, it’s in the heart. Have a nice Valor day. SD
Until we have an equal number of gender studies programs from the point of view other than that of “man haters” people like you won’t even give up Valentines day … although you have dozens of programs a year already bashing men. We don’t need, or want one more.
I would try to clean up the typos but I need to get a lunch to my wife at work… smile
February 12, 2007 at 1:07 pm
roger said,
for the record, I was unfortunate enough to have dated (very briefly - like 1 date) a woman that had been raped earlier in her life. she was a total head case. completely unsuitable for partnering or dating at all. she was a man hater. she had so many issues she was extremely unpleasant to spend time with.
men that have had similar experiences with women will testify - rape is a very bad thing.
i have a daughter, and would be the first to use lethal force to protect her from an attacker.
we do not condone rape.
neither do we condone false accusations, false imprisonments (of which there are many) or false representations via trumped up statistics.
February 12, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Steven Guess said,
You’re just all angry at liberals and you want to take it out on me. That’s fine. I took it seriously at first but now it’s like, I could write on a blog “I like Blue” and all you people would jump in “so typical of liberals.”
meh.
February 12, 2007 at 2:51 pm
conservativation said,
February 12, 2007 at 2:58 pm
mruffolo said,
February 12, 2007 at 3:03 pm
conservativation said,
Steven, you asked what would happen if you were “LIKE”, I like the color blue
Is that the same as asking what would happen if you wrote or said you like the color blue?
I could not resist, since you’ve been prone to wear your education on your sleeve. All in fun.
February 12, 2007 at 3:10 pm
steven deluca said,
Have a good day. SD
February 12, 2007 at 3:14 pm
randyf said,
Women injure and kill children much more than men.
Why shouldn’t something be done to “raise awareness” of this fact?
Does it not matter?
And no one cares why men rape, so please don’t try victimhood status for Andrea Yats and the like.
Quite simply, “Raise Awareness” by saying:
“WOMEN, DON’T KILL YOUR CHILDREN!!!”
I really want to know your take on this.
February 12, 2007 at 4:31 pm
thurston861 said,
Just more stale vomit.
As randyf is about to discover, SG avoids the inconvenient facts, controdictory positions, and overwhelming evidence.
This is why he is to now be labeled the first Boygina.
February 12, 2007 at 5:26 pm
conservativation said,
February 12, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Steven Guess said,
I can say that if true, it would definitely suggest we should get women out of the home… and it would also suggest that the perception of women as mild-mannered soft spoken nobodys, to be seen and not heard, is Victorian Age nonsense. If women do indeed possess these “masculine” attributes, we need to re-examine how we define femininity.
All that being said, all the data I’ve seen strongly suggests most physical abuse of children comes from men, at least according to police department blotters. But yeah, show me your data and we’ll talk.
February 12, 2007 at 8:57 pm
steven deluca said,
Statistics about child abuse? Try info@mediaradar.org or Richard Davis Domestic Violence. See if you can contact either and ask for directions and maybe they can help you. I am shocked that you didn’t learn in feminist studies that mothers, not fathers, do most of the abuse of children (And that sons, not daughers, are most likely injured or killed.) You have heard this from me more than once. I worked with teen girls in Hawaii, and teen boys and girls, living with them, they are not “statistics” to me. I never saw any reason in three years (24 hours a day, 5 days a week, 25 months, with 27 different teens and families over that time when working with both genders and many social service agencies, to make child abuse about gender.
I never saw any reason in police work to make family violence about gender. I am guessing it looks different when you work with both genders rather than “for” just one.
(I was just kidding when I said I was shocked that you hadn’t learned about the extend of chihld abuse from women in women’s studies. I am guessing the also taught”D.V. Lite” about women battering women, siblings, and senior citizens too.)
You suggested removing moms (quickly?) if suspected or charged with abuse… when what needs to be done is to take the billions from VAWA that’s a waste of money if you believe the statistics of women’s groups, relatively unchanged for two decades? Put that money into mentoring programs with parents that know what they ae doing, have support for first time parents at risk, (At risk are those men and women who were beaten by their dads, and moms and will need “help” to stop that cycle of violence.) Stoping child abuse will drastically cut DV in ways that feminist programs regarding DV seem blind to.
Removing the mom’s from the home, ASAP sounds like a plan, the same plan that takes me out on the word of a spouse, … not sure that intense counseling and follow up, first timers, might be more productive. … not every push, or grab or slap warrants removal from the home of a mom or dad although the definiation of child abuse and DV seems to treat each case that way. (If you google “DV movies” you will see that Rhett Butler, in “Gone With The Wind” for slapping once, is seen as an abuser by those same “judges” that would never call a woman slapping a man DV
If you find that mothers are responsible for, say, thousands of instances of child abuse (some over many years) across America, are you going to treat that with the same “fire” and intensity that you treat adults fighting with each other, which often is what DV is about. Women can leave, kids can’t. Women understand abuse, kids don’t.
Mothers and fathers both create good or bad kids who grow up to be good or bad adutls, again, it’s not about gender.
February 12, 2007 at 9:39 pm
steven deluca said,
February 12, 2007 at 9:41 pm
roger said,
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm04/figure4_2.htm
Abuse
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm04/figure3_6.htm
This is the US Government website.
I’d love to see your face as you grop the implications that ‘perhaps’ you’ve been fed a line of bull excrement throughout your college career.
Don’t feel bad.
I experienced the same revelation after years on the left. But something didnt feel right about what I was being told. Me, being a student of hard science and facts, while the fems were telling me “there are no differences between men and women” while I’m staring at the physiological data showing clearly that this is absolutely bunk both physically and emotionally.
Enjoy.
February 12, 2007 at 9:44 pm
amfortas said,
February 12, 2007 at 10:07 pm
fourthwire said,
It wouldn’t be the first time, Stephanie. To write that a logical thought process isn’t your strong suite is an understatement.
“if V day raises awareness about the rape of women, it all of a sudden raises the specter of demonizing men?
Can we not speak out against rape without you having to clarify “but most men are cool.””
Focus, please - that the feminazis happened to choose VALENTINE’S DAY to try to characterize men as rapists would be somewhat akin for the men’s rights movement to choose MOTHER’S DAY to speak out against reproductive rape, paternity fraud, and violence against men.
Naturally such a choice by the MRM would raise hackles among women.
Only an abject “genius” like yourself would have difficulties understanding why the choice of Valentine’s Day by the feminazis sucks.
Now I realize that you don’t see any harm in the feminazis preaching their distorted lies, damned lies, and myths about rape to try to incite fear among women…. but that’s certainly because you are one of those examples of human vermin yourself.
February 12, 2007 at 10:37 pm
randyf said,
Steve G., you’ve been given the data by Roger. Are you fair and open minded, or a propagandist?
As Roger said, college studies are one thing, real life is another. And with such HEAVY media bias, how would you know the truth?
What is your take now? Look, I really want to know. I’ve seen this issue come up before, and Roger provide the same information. I’m hoping you will see that spin is really a huge part of the problem.
February 13, 2007 at 9:09 am
steven deluca said,
February 13, 2007 at 2:26 pm
fourthwire said,
Thank you for your kind words. And you are free to quote me whenever you please.
I have read more than a few of your own posts and am pleased to find you on MND.
February 13, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Steven Guess said,
February 14, 2007 at 6:01 am
thurston861 said,
If this is an excuse for women, then if men were to get violent sooner in the face of a problem and held themselves to girl fight rules can they get the same excuse and defense?
February 14, 2007 at 9:58 am
Steven Guess said,
regardless, that’s a completely unsubstantiated generalization based on your desire to make all that is male good, all that is female bad.
February 16, 2007 at 3:26 am
fourthwire said,
Your PMS is showing again, old girl……;-)
“regardless, that’s a completely unsubstantiated generalization based on your desire to make all that is male good, all that is female bad.”
No doubt you prefer your own unsubstantiated generalizations based on your own desire to make all that is male bad, all that is female good, Stephanie…….
February 16, 2007 at 2:15 pm