“The 9/11 Solution” Video Removed by Google/YouTube

Google cannot censor a video. Google is a private entity. Censoring is defined as prior restraint by a governmental entity. The government – and the government alone – has the power to censor.

As a private individual, if someone does something which you deem objectionable, be they words, speech, or anything else, you may deny them the use of your property, facilities, or resources to continue to do that. You are not obliged to listen to them.

This is freedom. Kindly extend that to others as well. Google- as a private entity – is likewise entitled to that same freedom.

Your “Communist China” comparison is not merely inappropriate, but full of hysterical hyperbole, and makes the whole of your argument fatally flawed since it proceeds from a false premise.

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“Google cannot censor a video. Google is a private entity. Censoring is defined as prior restraint by a governmental entity. The government – and the government alone – has the power to censor.” Gonzman

censor:
1. an official who examines books, plays, news reports, motion pictures, radio and television programs, letters, cablegrams, etc., for the purpose of suppressing parts deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds.
2. any person who supervises the manners or morality of others.

…6. to examine and act upon as a censor.
7. to delete (a word or passage of text) in one’s capacity as a censor.

censorship:

1. the act or practice of censoring.
2. the office or power of a censor.

http://dictionary.reference.com/

Doesn’t say a word about a government entity

censorship, official prohibition or restriction of any type of expression believed to threaten the political, social, or moral order. It may be imposed by governmental authority, local or national, by a religious body, or occasionally by a powerful private group. It may be applied to the mails, speech, the press, the theater, dance, art, literature, photography, the cinema, radio, television, or computer networks. Censorship may be either preventive or punitive, according to whether it is exercised before or after the expression has been made public. In use since antiquity, the practice has been particularly thoroughgoing under autocratic and heavily centralized governments, from the Roman Empire to the totalitarian states of the 20th cent.

http://www.answers.com/topic/censorship

Governments or “powerful private groups” can exert pressure on private individuals or companies like Google to do the censoring for them, can’t they?

It says “official.”

It is imposed upon others. It is not internal. If you refuse to publish certain things on your own website, paper, et al it is merely the exercise of Private Property Rights. If, and only if, you impose it on someone else’s private property – in and official capacity – then, you have “censorship.”

I know it is hard for fascists to understand, but do try to keep up.

“GOOGLE’S halo has lost a bit of its shine. The company that has defined itself as the champion of internet users with its slogan “Don’t be evil” was slammed last week as hypocritical and self-serving for going ahead with a Chinese version of its search engine that will censor pages unpalatable to Beijing.”

Editorial New Scientist

http://tinyurl.com/33pute

China censorship damaged us, Google founders admit

“Google’s decision to censor its search engine in China was bad for the company, its founders admitted yesterday.”

Asked whether he regretted the decision, Mr Brin admitted yesterday: “On a business level, that decision to censor… was a net negative.”

http://business.guardian.co.uk/davos2007/story/0,,1999994,00.html

Gee, even Google’s Mr. Brin uses the word ‘censor.’

Google censors itself for China

“Leading internet company Google has said it will censor its search services in China in order to gain greater access to China’s fast-growing market.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4645596.stm

BBC quotes Google saying it will ‘censor’ itself.

I told you CF who’s behind Goggle on another tread. They have all the reasons to pull that one out.

Because some Corporate twit doesn’t have a command of the English language, this means what? You get to do it too?

Google is co-operating with China’s censorship. A business decision, and bad on them, I say – selling freedom out for profit. Boo. Hiss.

They are still not censoring you, or your buddy. They are under no obligation to provide that service for you – except in a fascist state.

The article isn’t about the meaning or definition of censorship, it’s about the content of the video “The 9/11 Solution” that Google removed from their sites, and which the producer says is

The big clue everyone missed

How the key 9/11 myths were implanted;

But instead are – “Why did Google/YouTube remove the “9/11 Solution” video? What is on that video we shouldn’t see or hear?”

“Controversy has occurred over Google’s decision to adhere to the Internet censorship policy in mainland China, colloquially known as, “The Great Firewall of China”. Google.cn search results are filtered so as not to bring up any results concerning the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, sites supporting the independence movements of Tibet and Taiwan or the Falun Gong movement, and other information perceived to be harmful to the People’s Republic of China. This is interpreted by some activists as against the “Don’t Be Evil” corporate philosophy of Google.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google
Is 9/11 and Iraq in the US becoming what  Tiananmen Square/Tibet /Taiwan is in China?

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btw Mike: nice to see the edit feature added. Thanks much.

It’s starting to look a whole lot like DU around here.

Google cooperating with China is terrible.

Maybe they shouldn’t have pulled the video, but they and Youtube pull videos all the time for various reasons. They are not mandated to allow broadcasting. The creators of the video are free to create their own website where they can continually show the video.

Comparing the Tiananmen Square cover-up to an imagined 9/11 conspiracy that has been shown to be an absolute farce is disrespectful to the victims of both tragedies.

CF: For as much as you talk about all of your detailed “evidence” and “research” this is a huge anti-climax.

And by the way, we are STILL waiting for you to tell us who carried out the 9/11 attacks.

“Comparing the Tiananmen Square cover-up to an imagined 9/11 conspiracy that has been shown to be an absolute farce is disrespectful to the victims of both tragedies.”

Americans Question Bush on 9/11 Intelligence

Many adults in the United States believe the current federal government has not been completely forthcoming on the issue of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 53 per cent of respondents think the Bush administration is hiding something, and 28 per cent believe it is lying.

Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002.

Polling Data

When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

Telling the truth Oct. 2006 16% Oct. 2002 21%

Hiding something Oct. 2006 65% Oct. 2002 53%

Mostly lying Oct. 2006 28% Oct. 2002 8%

Not sure Oct. 2006 3% Oct. 2002 6%

Source: The New York Times / CBS News
Methodology: Telephone interviews with 983 American adults, conducted from Oct. 5 to Oct. 8, 2006. Margin of error is 4 per cent.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13469

“…..is disrespectful to the victims of both tragedies.”

NEW YORK CITY, NY (Oct. 26, 2004) – An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11today announced the release of the 911 Truth Statement, a call for immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur. The Statement supports an August 31st Zogby poll that found nearly 50% of New Yorkers believe the government had foreknowledge and “consciously failed to act,” with 66% wanting a new 9/11 investigation.”

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

The 9/11 Families

Although independent investigations began within weeks of both Pearl Harbor and the Kennedy assassination, the same was not true of the attacks of September 11th. Most are unaware that formation of the 9/11 Commission was strongly opposed by many in Washington, including the Bush administration. It was only due to pressure from the 9/11 families, led by a particular twelve calling themselves the Family Steering Committee, that, fourteen months after the attacks, the first hearing finally began. These twelve remained active in monitoring the Commission’s investigation, providing a list of hundreds of specific, well-researched questions to the Commissioners. In the end, the Final Report failed to answer seventy percent of them.

In ‘9/11 PRESS FOR TRUTH’, five of the most prominent members of the Family Steering Committee tell their story for the first time, providing the most powerful argument yet for why 9/11 still needs investigation.

http://www.911pressfortruth.com/families

These 40 families don’t seem to think so. Once again, Pseudo-Patriot, the facts and you disagree.

First, the vast majority DON’T THINK THEIR GOVERNMENT ATTACKED THEM. If that was the question almost everybody would say “hell no”.

You are hiding behind the vague poll from the NY Slimes and the Dan Rather Forged documents network.

Second, quit using the word “fact” when everything you write about is vague, constrived, or just plan nuts.

Third, the vast majority of family members of 9/11 victims are completely against this just of junk you are referencing. Over 2,700 victims probably had at 40,000 family members and all you conspiracy nuts can come up with are 40 that are willing to associate with you. Real impressive.

And by the way, we are STILL waiting for you to tell us who carried out the 9/11 attacks.

“Third, the vast majority of family members of 9/11 victims are completely against this just of junk you are referencing.”

That’s because they took the ‘shut-up’ money.

“I just didn’t like the idea that Big Brother — the government — was going to handle everything for us,” said Armand Talignani, in telephone interview from his home in New Jersey. “We still have the right to go our own route.”

“It was just to pay people off,” Mitchell Zykofsky, John Talignani’s stepson, said of the federal fund. “The whole thing was a government panacea to escape liability for what they and the airliners are responsible for.”

“It just infuriates me that the airlines don’t want to take responsibility,” added Zykofsky, a city police officer who lives in Queens.

To qualify for the government funds, the families had to waive their right to sue the airlines or any other potentially liable domestic entity

Several class action suits against the airlines have been filed in behalf of Sept. 11 relatives.

Talignani’s relatives are among the plaintiffs in a legal action crafted by Motley Rice, the South Carolina firm headed by super-lawyer Ron Motley

It would have to be a family decision but my vote would be for a day in court,” said Zykofsky. “I want an understanding of what happened on Sept. 11…. I want to know why security was breached.”

http://www.911injured.org/Media/News/silive011204.htm

With one day to go before the deadline, the fund set up to compensate victims of 9/11 has paid out close to $6 billion — more than $3 billion more than its overseer’s original estimate.

The Sept. 11th Victim Compensation Fund, which closes at midnight in accordance with a congressional mandate, has authorized $5.9 billion in payments to the families of injured or killed World Trade Center workers.

Fund workers still have hundreds of claims to finalize before the deadline, said Kenneth Feinberg, the special master overseeing it.

“We will be working right up until midnight,” said Feinberg.

Last year, Feinberg had said that the fund would likely pay $2 billion to $3 billion to victims and families — who accept the settlement in exchange for not suing airlines or other U.S. companies that may have been negligent before the terror attacks.

Nearly three years after establishing a fund to compensate the families of Sept. 11 victims, the federal government said yesterday that it had completed the task and that it would end up paying more than 5,000 families almost $7 billion.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-4998.html

The many trials of 9/11 widow Ellen Mariani
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor

Traurig Greenberg works with 9-11 victims on planning their US government ‘hushmail/bribery estates.’ That is, to receive the money [on average about $1.6 million] the victim’s family must sign an agreement never to sue the government [or the airlines] for any reason. Victim-wife Ellen Mariani is currently being legally harassed for not signing and for holding the Bush government’s feet to the fire.”

…..The Red Cross red tape forced needy families into the beckoning arms of US Attorney General John Ashcroft and Special Master Kenneth Feinberg. Just sign here on the dotted line, folks, and let’s keep the US government out of the courtroom. This is what led Ellen to call it “the Feinberg hush fund……This pattern of stalling and misdirecting funds only exacerbated the plight of victim families. They gave up and gave into Kenneth Feinberg’s Victims Compensation Fund, losing their right to challenge the government in a lawsuit.“

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1654.shtml

You keep throwing those clay pigeons up and I keep shooting them down.

You haven’t even hit one single thing yet. Quoting junk and paranoia proves nothing but the fact that you are delusional. Noboody here is even slightly convinced. Has one single person even agreed with you yet?

We’re still waiting for you to tell us who carried out the attacks.

Are you the Lone Ranger? What’s with the ‘we’?

You really expect us to believe that over 5,000 families would accept being paid to shut up about something, if they believed there was something important being hidden from them? With all the lawyers who would salivate to become part of some huge class-action lawsuit undoubtedly trying to convince them NOT to do any such thing? And less than 1% would make a stink about it?

Please stop insulting our intelligence that way. 1% of people would make a stink over ANYTHING, even if there was no conspiracy theorists out there blaring their horns to try to gin up public opinion.

Oh, and by the way, just because the intellectually lazy in this country can be convinced that there was some sort of cover-up does not constitute evidence. That’s all that your polls indicate – that a large number of people (who are basically bored and looking for something to spice up their life anyway) can be convinced of something by enough people jumping up and down and hysterically claiming that the government did something bad.

At the time they took the money – about $1.6 million per family, they may not have realized any thing was wrong. And they were traumatised by having lost a family member, most likely a husband the breadwinner. Hence, they accepted.

A good journalist might want to investigate these families now and ask them what they would do it they could do it over. Why hasn’t someone from the MSM done that?

The intellectually lazy are those who accept the Offical Conspiracy Theory – not those who have spent hudnreds of hours – like I have – investigating 9/11.

And no one I know of is jumping up and down hysterically claiming the government did something.

We hear it all the time from useful idiots – “I haven’t done anything wrong and I have nothing to hide.” If the Bush Admin. has nothing to hide, why did they purposely delay – for over 14 months -

“Only in mid-December, after more than three months had passed without any steps towards an investigation, were resolutions introduced in the Senate to establish an independent bipartisan commission into September 11….But as late as January 29, Vice President Dick Cheney called Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle seeking to forestall any investigation at all…..Daschle refused this request, but agreed to confine the inquiry to hearings by the intelligence committees, in what the Democratic leader called an effort to “limit the scope and the overall review of what happened.” The special joint House-Senate investigation was announced last month, after the White House finally agreed to cooperate.”
and stonewall the 9/11 Commission, provide inadequate funds, refuse to honor subpoenas, demand an unreasonable completion date, give only two ‘high ranking’ Commission members only two hours access to Bush with Cheney at his side to coach him, not investigate the 1200 % abnormal put options purchased on the two airlines involved just days before 9/11, ship all the steel – the evidence from the scene of the crime – a felony – out of the country so quickly, refuse to give us the complete cctv vidoes taken from the service station across the street from the Pentagon, lied about the black boxes they say they don’t have, ad infinitum?

Why in the world, if Al Qaeda and bin Laden and “19 Arabs with boxcutters’ were indeed the perps, would the Bush administration take so many overt and covert steps to delay and prevent a complete and through investigation into one of the biggest crimes in Amerian history, unless they had something to hide?

“Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, John 3:20,21

“Family members of victims began pressing for a probe only weeks after the attacks. “We need to understand the role that each of these agencies and cabinet officers played and whether or not they were doing their jobs — and if not find out why,” says Robin Wiener, a board member of Families of September 11, whose 33-year-old brother Jeffrey was killed in the World Trade Center. “We don’t want any other family to suffer the way we suffered,” she says.

But President Bush successfully opposed the creation of the commission for more than a year. He said publicly that an independent investigation would distract leaders from his newly-declared war on terrorism. After a joint House and Senate intelligence committee inquiry found that some information related to the Sept. 11 hijackers had been mishandled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Central Intelligence Agency, Congressional support for a commission mushroomed. The White House then reversed itself and on Sept. 20, 2002, announced its “strong support” for a commission.”

http://www.becomethemedia.com/news/2003/WH_delays_911_investigation.htm

CF SAID: Are you the Lone Ranger? What’s with the ‘we’?

The “we” would be the countless posters in the last 1 1/2 weeks that have told you that you are chasing after something that doesn’t exist.

That’s my WE.

Where’s your WE Chicken Little?

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From the http://www.brasschecktv.com/ web site:

“He’s an explanation of what Google is preventing you from seeing:

Two major 9/11 anomalies have been thoroughly documented, specifically:

1) The stand down of US air defense on the morning of 9/11 that permitted commercial jet aircraft to fly erratically and in restricted air space without challenge

2) Overwhelming physical evidence that World Trade Center buildings #1, #2, and #7 were brought down by controlled demolition

A third significant anomaly has not been discussed, let alone acknowledged: the reporting by the major US TV news networks in the first few hours immediately after the attacks.

Specifically:

1. MSNBC presented an elaborately detailed story about the lifestyle and anti-US philosophy of Osama bin Laden – while both towers were still burning and long before Bin Laden had been accused by anyone.

2. Fox News featured a “man in the street” eye witness who explained in strangely formal language the science behind why the towers collapsed when most engineers and firemen were utterly baffled and in shock by what had just taken place.

3. CBS featured a Bush administration insider (and not identified as such) as a guest who actively worked to dissuade Dan Rather (and viewers) from speculating that there must have been explosive charges placed in the buildings for them to have collapsed the way they did.

How was it that these stories – based on no fact, no research and no inquirry – appeared in full blown form so quickly on US news networks and then became part of the core myths of what happened on 9/11?

Were these stories prepared in advance?

There’s an old intelligence saying that “once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, but three times is enemy action.”

Because most of these clips ran only once and were not repeated after they’d done their job, it made it difficult, if not impossible, for viewers to analyze them critically.

Now, thanks to the magic of video tape and a few people who immediately started taping the news after the attacks, we have this important evidence that at the very least these attacks appear to have been anticipated and prepared for by forces that have the ability to exert strong influence over the output of the newsrooms of major US news networks.”

After reading this, I realized I had seen the video in qustion once before. I was going back for a second look.

When the video is available again, we will be contacted.

Again, the question arises and you keep dodging. Just who exactly did do it.

You can count me as a part of the we that you ignore.

And why did they do it? Oil money? Oil? Power for Republicans? Halliburton? Cheney’s money he gave away? Or Ive even seen the deferred pay cited as proof, all of 100K to 200K per year, which sure is a good paycheck, but in the scheme of things, to call those sums conspiracy money is just hillbilly silly.

“Again, the question arises and you keep dodging. Just who exactly did do it.”

I answered your question on the “Intro. Charles Fockaert” thread as follows:

“Would you like the name of the person who gave the stand-down order for the normally SOP when an airline or other airplane goes off course in any air space controlled by air traffic control?

Or who leased the WTC towers just before 9/11 and took out a complete insurance policy against acts of terrorism and loss of rent revenue?

Would you like the name of a principle in the company that handled security for the WTC predeeding and during the 9/11 ‘terrorist’ attack?

Would you like the name of the person in charge of NORAD’s Operation Northern Vigilance taking place at the very same time on the very same day as the alleged ‘terrorist’ attack?

Would you like the names of the firemen who were eyewitnesses, [in this case earwitnesses] to hearing bombs being detonated while the WTC towers were collapsing? “Boom….., boom….., boom…., boom…..”

Would you like the name of the person who said publically, not once, but twice, that he saw the FIRST plane that hit the North Tower?

Would you like the name of the person who said the order was given at around 4:30 pm on 9/11 to ‘pull’ the building?

Would you like the name of the person who allowed several Israelis that were caught by the FBI and suspected of being involved in 9/11 to leave the United States immediately following 9/11 even though most if not all other individuals were being prevented from doing so?

Would you like the name ………”

It would be a simple matter for anyone to do a search to be able to provide the names given the information above.

Happy searching.

Carl Bernstein: Bush administration’s disinformation, misinformation ‘something I have never witnessed before on this scale’

Mike Sheehan

“This president has a record of dishonesty and obfuscation that is Nixonian in character in its willingness to manipulate the press, to manipulate the truth,” he adds. “We have gone to war on the basis of misinformation, disinformation and knowing lies from top to bottom.”

Veteran reporter Carl Bernstein says the lack of truth and candor from the Bush administration is unprecedented in his experience.

http://tinyurl.com/2kexs8

Weird, I told the truth some hours ago about all this and now the thread where I posted it is gone!

Guess I was hitting home too close!

Not to be surprised:

The gauleiters at Joseph Farrah’s site WND and those at Savage’s site among many many others censor material all the time.

Yes, they don’t want the world to know that Nazis are behind all this.

I’ll just talk about what I know from my Air Force career here:

There was absolutely no “stand down” order on 9/11. None what so ever. I was in the Air Force when these attacks happened and I volunteered on September 16th to go with the first wing deploying for some payback.

If you would so some real military research you would find that after the end of the Cold War our country had NO alert aircraft anywhere in the continental U.S. and our air defenses were set up to repel outside attacks.

During the Cold War keeping alert aircraft up in the air and on the ground ready for immediate scramble costs tens of billions of dollars each year in fuel, maintenance, training, as well as additional pilots and ground personnel. Your buddy Clinton got rid of all that while he was busy dismantling our military and intelligence forces in the 90s.

Our military members would NEVER allow their fellow citizens to be attacked. Air Force bases around the country, including where I was at Edwards AFB, worked as fast as they could to ready, arm, fuel, and scramble aircraft, but it is not as simple as hopping in your car.

Gee it’s really SHOCKING that the owners of the WTC would take out an insurance policy against terrorist attacks. It’s not like they were ever attacked by terrorists before, right?

And it’s really amazing that people would have been talking about UBL. It’s not like UBL hadn’t blown up two of our embassies and killed many of our sailors in a naval attack in the last couple of years. They just spoke about Al Zawahiri on TV a few minutes ago. I guess the next fake attack will be any minute now.

Also, only a COWARD alters people’s posts to hide facts and arguments against them. I can see deleting obscenities, but not somebody who just disagrees with you. Don’t be a COWARD.

And we are STILL waiting for you to tell us your demented tale of who carried out the 9/11 attacks. My bet is still on the Easter Bunny. Damn him and his fluffy cuteness.

More obfuscation. Simple questions require simple answers, not links to the “Where’s Waldo” hide and seek pages. If you are unable to condense your scattered concepts and ramblings into simple if terse answers, I’ll help you out by giving you a few definitave examples of what you might have said.

Bush is responsible.

Cheney did it.

The Tooth Fairy is behind it all.

Everyone knows that the Zionist puppet masters orchestrated it.

I did it.

And if that is too much for you, you can always resort to the tried and true “Yo Momma”, or F*** you.

***Gee it’s really SHOCKING that the owners of the WTC would take out an insurance policy against terrorist attacks. It’s not like they were ever attacked by terrorists before, right?***

Just a little history reminder; the WTC was hit once by terrorists using a U-Haul truck filled with explosives.

If your building became a terrorist target overnight, do it make sense to take insurance in this case?

If we follow CF’s thinking, we need to believe that everyone who take a fire insurance for their homes is a pyromaniac.

“GOOGLE’S halo has lost a bit of its shine.

Hey, leave me out of this, Charles! I’m still as shiny as I ever was.

“Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, John 3:20,21

As was stated to another columnist here “even the devil can quote scripture”. Another verse says “the truth will set you free”. You definitely need some truth (not to mention, some type of prescription to stop those darn voices.)

CF…You quack me up…Just another screeching moonbat conspiracy nut job, you are!

I think we need another article here. We could call it:

“MAKE YOUR OWN 9-11 CONSPIRACY THEORY!!”

This is a community work. We could put some imaginative theories about who is REALLY behind 9-11, vote for the best one and then make a sub-par, grainy home video about our idea. Then we will post it on YouTube to revela the TRUTH to the World!

Right now, Patriot try to push the idea that the Easter Bunny (A real Mo-Fo I might add) is behind the mess. I believe that ODESSA (Organisation Der Ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen “Organization of former members of the SS”) did the deed.

I am waiting for other entries on the subject! Who did it?!?”

“Also, only a COWARD alters people’s posts to hide facts and arguments against them. I can see deleting obscenities, but not somebody who just disagrees with you. Don’t be a COWARD.”

You refering to me? I haven’t altered anyone’s post and never would. An ex-airforce career man calling someone else a coward while hiding behind a pseudonym is ironic. What are you afraid of Pseudo-Patriot, someone you know reading about how foolish you are? Or are you afraid you’ll be called out for what you think and say? Come out from behind that false name.

And you all you guys are going on about how the government’s tale about 9/11 is believable, all the while Google is censoring the evidence you need to find the truth. But then again, some people can’t accept the truth – it would alter their entire world and make them change and maybe make them actually do something.

“Our military members would NEVER allow their fellow citizens to be attacked.”

Sure they would, during Waco for one example.

“The GAO reports that units of the Texas National Guard, US Army, Alabama National Guard and US Air Force provided the following services and equipment:

* Surveillance
* Reconnaissance
* Transport
* Maintenance & Repairs
* Training & Instruction
* Helicopters
* Unarmed tactical ground vehicles

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/bl090599.htm

And the militarized police force is ‘attacking’ it’s own citizens daily around the country.

The US air force had a stand-down order. That’s a fact. New proceedure was instituted June 1, 2001.

Either that, or your airforce buddies were caught with their pants down around their ankles while “19 cave dwelling Arabs” kicked our ass. And while we’re at it, what about those ex-airforce pilots in the cock-pits of those four airliners? You don’t really think they’d let hijackers take over their plane do you?

I don’t. I have more faith in our airforce personnel than you do. I don’t think those planes were even hijacked. I think they were diverted to an government airfield. In fact, there is evidence that two of the planes supposedly involved are still in operation today.

Keep throwing up those clay pigeons.

“In the beginning of a change,
the patriot is a scarce and brave man, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however,
the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”

Mark Twain

“CF…You quack me up…Just another screeching moonbat conspiracy nut job, you are!” Rogue Jew

That’s sweet, coming from another pseudo-brave man who thinks the Islamics are out to get him and take over the world. LOL

So, CF, who did it? The Illuminati or the FreeMassons?

See post #24 and do the research.

Hint: Neither

I GUESS THAT WOULD MAKE ME IN YOUR EYES A ZIONIST PIG CONSPIRACY NUT JOB….NICE TO HAVE YA ABOARD, IF ONLY FOR THE HUMOR!

Not all Italians are in the mob, and not all Jews are Zionists. Are you a Zionist?

***See post #24 and do the research.***

Come-on, tell us!

C’mon,http://www.dotcr.ost.dot.gov/asp/forkidsyouth/images/connect1.jpg” /> do the research.

You are so bashfull, CF!

Come on now, we gave you our opinion! America believe that 19 Jihadists with boxcutters did it. Patriot vouch for the Easter Bunny (one tough Mo-Fo) and I believe ODESSA pulled it out.

Now it’s your turn! Don’t be a wuss and tell us! Who did it?

“America believe that 19 Jihadists with boxcutters did it.”

I beg to difer and scientific polls agree. Here’s an earlier poll by Zogby International:
August 30, 2004

“Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders “knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act,” according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy. Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as “very conservative” supported the claim.”

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

More recent polls put the figure at 85% as I posted previously.

You remind me of those high schoolers who wanted to copy my reports.

Don’t be a wuss, do the research.

CF:

The aircraft were landed at “secret airfields” huh? I thought you said only 50 – 75 people were involved? Just one aircraft at one airfield is going to involve hundreds of people alone. And a civilian passenger aircraft is going to stick out at a military airfield. Hundreds more all over the base would have noticed that. The more you write the more your “story” falls apart. That must be why you still refuse to write what you believe.

So now your true colors come out. Waco is a conspiracy too. Yeah its real shocking that military equipment was used to watch the compound both day and NIGHT. Nobody else has that kind of equipment.

If you aren’t editing and deleting people’s arguments then I am wrong and owe you an apology for that, but a couple of posts lead me to believe people were complaining that you changed or deleted their posts. If that is not true I apologize and admit my mistake.

Why are you so concerned about my name? Do you want to put me on your newsletter list? I don’t want any. And based on the statements of everybody else here I am not the one who has to worry about my ideas being seen as “unusual”. Everybody that knows me knows how I think and that I am a patriot. What does everybody that knows you think?

Finally, there absolutely was NO stand down order. Alert fighters had been taken off active alert long ago after the end of the Cold War. The Air Force wasn’t caught with its pants down. Congress and the civilian leadership had long ago decided that couldn’t bare the cost of keeping aircraft all over the country on tactical alert.

The pilots gave up control to the hijackers because that was standard FAA and company protocol. They were trained to do that. FAA had never imagined that such a kind of attack would happen here.

TOUBROUK:

I’ll work on how that infiltration expert known as the Easter Bunny got in, planted explosives, and got out without being seen. Anything I come up with will be more believable than some of the junk we have been reading.

You’re a prime example of why people in other countries think Americans are stupid:

http://www.shoutfile.com/v/gSfSsCpR

and why nothing will happen until Americans suffer more.

And here is a 1954 High School Civics test:

http://www.rense.com/general75/pass.htm

“If that is not true I apologize and admit my mistake.”

I don’t delete or edit posts, didn’t even know I could if I wanted to. Apology accepted.

“Hundreds more all over the base would have noticed that.”

So, that means it didn’t happen?

“So now your true colors come out. Waco is a conspiracy too.”

Never said that. However, the FBI along with the military killed over 80 innocent Americans, including women and children. Then they bulldozed over the evidence. Did they or did they not?

“Finally, there absolutely was NO stand down order.”

Yes there was. And if there wasn’t why wasn’t standard operational proceedure followed like it had been 67 other times in the nine months before 9/11?

Here is the stand-down order:

CJCSI 3610.01, dated July 31, 1997, required that all requests for asistance in hijackings be approved by the Secretary of Defense. An update to that order, CJCSI 3610.01, dated June 1, 2001, had an exception for emergencies that would seem to give commanders in the field autonomy in ordering intercepts. However, that exception did not cover requests for “potentially lethal assistance”, the kind required to respond to the attack:

Much more here: http://911review.com/means/standdown.html
Also, did you know there were mulitiple war games going on simultaneously on the same day – 9/11? Cheney was masterminding the entire operation. Keep in mind, that in the  late 1980s -
Cheney served as the Secretary of Defense from March 1989 to January 1993 under President George H. W. Bush. He directed the United States invasion of Panama and Operation Desert Storm in the Middle East. In 1991 he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for “preserving America’s defenses at a time of great change around the world.”^[15]

So he was very familiar with defense department operations.

The war games were called Operation Northern Vigilance. Did you know that?

Waco definitely was a screw up. The government screwed up and the idiots hiding in the house with automatic weapons screwed up. Worst of all children suffered because of it.

I do not in any way think the military or the ATF wanted to kill all those people though.

He can’t tell you who did it guys. If he crosses that line, he’ll disappear. Didn’t any of you see “Conspiracy Theory?”

“I do not in any way think the military or the ATF wanted to kill all those people though.”

“In any way.” Why not, your government wouldn’t do such a thing? Think again, the military types went in with incendiary devices and most of the innoncent civilians burned to death.

I’m curious, why are so many so insistent upon my naming names?

It will be obvious to all who do the research who was involved, so why keep insisting on list of names?

I’m not hiding behind a psedonym like most of you ‘brave’ pariots, but that’s not why I’m not naming names. I want you to do the research.

Here’s one name:

“Jim Hoffman has discovered a document which I believe may be very important to the 911 skeptic movement. This document superseded earlier DOD procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft, and it requires that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld is personally responsible for issuing intercept orders. Commanders in the field are stripped of all authority to act. This amazing order came from S.A. Fry (Vice Admiral, US Navy and Director, Joint Staff) so it appears to me that responsibility for the US armed forces “Failure to Respond” rests directly with Fry for issuing this instruction, as well as with Donald Rumsfeld for failing to execute his responsibility to issue orders in a timely fashion.”

http://911review.com/articles/russell/standdown.html

The FBI reversed in September a six-year-old position that it never used munitions capable of sparking the blaze that ended a standoff with the Branch Davidian sect near Waco, Tex., and left 76 people dead.

The acknowledgment that FBI agents fired “a very limited number” of potentially incendiary tear gas cartridges on the final day of the 51-day siege contradicts congressional testimony from high-ranking Justice Department officials, such as Attorney General Janet Reno, who said that the tear gas used against the Davidians “could not have caused a fire.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/waco/keystories.htm

Anybody who has ever used a tear gas or smoke canister can tell you it gets really hot.

I don’t think there is any doubting that a tear gas canister might have started the fire, but that building went up way too fast without some type of accelerant involved that the cult members put throughout the building. Wood does not burn that fast over that big of an area.

CF SAID: “Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld is personally responsible for issuing intercept orders”

Might have something to do with the fact that the Constitution requires that civilians maintain control of the military. The military has NEVER been allowed to choose when and where to attack civilian aircraft without orders. Probably a pretty good rule.

I am still conducting “research” into the Easter Bunny Conspiracy, but my initial sources indicate that multiple copies of the Energizer Bunny may also have been involved.

Patriot, I think I saw a hole in your Conspiracy theory. We were talking about the Easter Bunny and then suddently you brought the Energizer Bunny out of nowhere.

For those who are reading this and are not familiars with bunnies I have to explain this. The Easter Bunny is easily identified as the one who carry an Easter egg. The Energizer Bunny carry a drum and got a battery on his back.

The first hole I saw is how they are related. Are we facing an all-rabbit terrorist force or we are only dealing with extremists of their respective groups? Are they backed by P.E.T.A. or they are only playing the apperance game?

Second, since they got a drum, an energizer bunny can’t realisticaly be stealth. Knowing that the demolition job on the towers required stealth and a large crew, I don’t think they couldn’t do the work effectively.

Please keep me posted on this.

Didn’t get a chance to come back and address anything last night.

I don’t really know anything about building number 7, but claims that buildings 1 and 2 were brought down by demolition are just foolish.

1) Watch the video of the collapse closely. The main claims of Demolition theorists are that the towers came down at Free-Fall velocity. Showers of debris which were blown out HORIZONTALLY can be seen to fall faster than the top portion of the tower, even though the top portion began falling BEFORE they were ejected.

2) Watch video of true controlled demolitions. SOME portion of the building ALWAYS is brought down from the BOTTOM. In other words, an entire column of the building falls simultaneously – each floor in lockstep with the others. This does NOT happen in the WTC collapse. If you watch the lower floors from any angle, you see that they are not in motion while the top floors are falling.

3) Another thing about the controlled demolition of buildings: The explosions come BEFORE the building collapses. The “explosions” heard by the firefighters are during the collapse. Note: What does 10,000 tons of concrete hitting a flat surface sound like? It sounds like an EXPLOSION. And they would have gotten louder as the building collapsed, because after it started, each floor would have hit the next one harder and faster due to the acceleration and due the increased mass pounding each floor flat faster and faster on the way down.

4) The top of at least one tower tilted over at least 15 degrees as the collapse started. If someone was going to take it down with explosives, that would have been totally unacceptable. Why, even I could have brought it down better than that, because so much downward force already existing there due to the weight of the building would make a deliberate destruction almost ridiculously easy.

“I don’t really know anything about building number 7..”

That’s a remarkable fact in and of itself, isn’t it? We’ve all seen the Twin Towers collapse over and over and over again, and told it was the planes and the fires and most importantly – Al Qaeda. [But the FBi can find 'no hard evidence linking bin Laden with 9/11."] No one tells us about WTC 7 in which no plane hit and no significant fires were burning. Put your mind on pause right here and think about it. Why weren’t we shown bldg seven? – 9 out of ten people I ask the question, “How many bldgs collapsed on 9/11″ – say two. We aren’t suppose to think about WTC 7. Think about it.
“Showers of debris which were blown out HORIZONTALLY”

How were ‘showers of debri’ blown out – if not by explosives? A bldg. falling in pancake fashion – as we were told to think is what we see – doesn’t blow out powderized concrete like we see in the WTC bldgs. However, bldgs that are being demolished with explosives, do.

“This does NOT happen in the WTC collapse.”

How do you know? Don’t the video’s only show the top of the Twin Towers? Many experts, including Prof Jones has said thermite was found buring in the basement of the Twin Towers for weeks after 9/11.
“The explosions come BEFORE the building collapses.”

Of course they do. The explosions are what is causing the bldg. to collapse. And now you’re telling us what on-the-scene professional firemen heard? They said they heard – “boom – boom – boom – like bombs going off.” Not concrete slabs emeshed with thousand of tons of rebar holding the concrete together. Bombs. Get over it.

“To open one’s eyes to the reality that the United States government is one of the most corrupt on earth is to risk the anguish of feeling unimaginably violated and used by a government/family (crime family?) which holds only contempt for its citizen/offspring.

“One hallmark of a dysfunctional system is secrecy. The Bush administration has been labeled by some members of the media as the most secretive in the nation’s history. The mind reels at what information it holds on a plethora of issues that it is not disclosing…”

http://tinyurl.com/2qvrzx

“Now, thanks to the magic of video tape and a few people who immediately started taping the news after the attacks, we have this important evidence that at the very least these attacks appear to have been anticipated and prepared for by forces that have the ability to exert strong influence over the output of the newsrooms of major US news networks.”

America is in collective denial that it’s government would do such a thing. Get over it and soon.

Video “The 9/11 Solution’ was available here last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U_GISl3aAA

“Congress and the civilian leadership had long ago decided that couldn’t bare the cost of keeping aircraft all over the country on tactical alert.”

And once again, pseudo-Patriot, the facts and you don’t agree. 67 times in the nine months before 9/11, Air force jets were sent to intercept airliners and other planes that were off-course.

Secondly, the air force doesn’t need to be on ‘tactical alert’ to intercept planes that are off course.

“The pilots gave up control to the hijackers because that was standard FAA and company protocol. They were trained to do that. FAA had never imagined that such a kind of attack would happen here.”

Show us where FAA regulations or any major airline has ‘giving up control’ as their standard protocol. You can’t.

Let’s assume you’re right for just a moment. If you are, you’re saying it’s FAA and airline protocol to allow hijackers to take over a plane.

Let’ say I’m on a team of possible hijackers on a commercial flight and I know it’s SOP for the pilots to let me take over the plane. All I would have to do is kindly request the air hostess to inform the pilot that we wish to take over the plane. She, because she has been “trained to do that” would then call the cock-pit and inform the pilot that a team of hijackers has requested a take-over of the plane. The pilots, because they have been “trained to do that” would give their seats over to the new hijacking pilots and take a seat in the body of the plane. The air hostesses would then bring the new pilots coffee or any other drinks and snacks they requested as they flew to their new destination, after informing all the passengers, of course, of the change in plans.

And the hijackers would know they did’t need to worry about air force interception, because they knew that “Congress and civilian leadership decied that the country couldn’t bare the cost of keeping aircraft all over the country on tactical alert.”

“FAA had never imagined that such a kind of attack would happen here.”

Really? Is that why Cheney was running, the very morning of 9/11, a simulated response to just that scenario
called Operation VIGILANT GUARDIAN ?

“3) OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector and started to coincide with 9/11. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit’s airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, “It must be part of the exercise.” This is another example of how the numerous drills on the morning of 9/11 deliberately distracted NORAD so that the real hijacked planes couldn’t be intercepted in time.”

And why FEMA had on the front cover its 1999 ‘terror response information booklet the WTC being targeted?

““I don’t really know anything about building number 7..”

That’s a remarkable fact in and of itself, isn’t it?”

Not really. All most of the country EVER knew about the WTC was the Twin Towers. It’s not surprising at all that the news never mentions anything but them.

“How were ’showers of debri’ blown out – if not by explosives?”

You just don’t understand the force of air pressure, do you? When millions of cubic feet of air are compressed by an entire acre or more of flat surface falling downward, it generates an enormous force. Plenty to blow pieces outward, such as crushed wall sections already in air.

““This does NOT happen in the WTC collapse.”

How do you know? Don’t the video’s only show the top of the Twin Towers? ”

They show more than just the falling section. In other words, they show portions of the tower below the level where the planes hit, and that’s all that matters. If it were a demolition job, the floors below the impact would be falling at the same time as the floors above the impact. This clearly does not happen.

“Of course they do. The explosions are what is causing the bldg. to collapse. And now you’re telling us what on-the-scene professional firemen heard?”

No, I’m trying to tell you that impacts like were going on in the collapse would be indistinguishable, to the ear, from explosions. A demolition expert with many years of experience may be able to tell the difference, but not a layman, and firemen would be considered laymen there, too.

I know I’m not going to convince you, your mind is obviously made up, but most people are intellectually lazy, and if your statements are not met, more people will be convinced of something that makes no engineering sense. That’s why the polls you quote are so high – not because it’s true, but because so many Media outlets have been making claims of corruption and scheming against the current administration that a lot of people are ready to believe anything claimed to have been done by them, whether it makes any sense or not.

Man you guys are wasting your time with this looney tunes nutjob. Anyone who can put a link to the Rense website with a straight face is way beyong your help or anyone else’s.

I doubt there are even any drugs that can recall him from that alternate universe.

Two of the most paranoid and delusional websites in the internet are rense.com and whatreallyhappened.com and he has referred us to both of them.

Tin hat alert! Beware the Masons, the Skull and Bones, the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers, Odessa, the Scarecrow, and the vicious Easter Bunny.

“Two of the most paranoid and delusional websites in the internet are rense.com and whatreallyhappened.com and he has referred us to both of them.”

If a donkey defecated a diamond, I’d still make it my own.

The only sources to be trusted are the same ones that won’t report on the illegalities of the American family legal system?

And citing the Benjamin Chertoff’s [Michael Chertof's cousin] Popular Mechanics ‘Debunking’ of 9/11 as a reliable source is not delusional behavior?

If these guys are wasting their time – what are you doing over here – working as a Zionist or government shill?

CF SAID: “67 times in the nine months before 9/11, Air force jets were sent to intercept airliners and other planes that were off-course”

Typical of a liberal to pull numbers out of his a _ _ and quote them as fact. Prior to 9/11 the Air Force did not have a mission chasing down aircraft all over the country that were off course. If it did that is all the Air Force would have done and the entire military budget for maintenance and fuel would have gone to that one mission.

CF SAID: “the air force doesn’t need to be on ‘tactical alert’ to intercept planes that are off course”

Really? I had no idea of your exstensive military and aviation knowledge. Oh wait, you have none of either.

It takes well over 1 – 2 hours to load a military aircraft with dangerous fuel, transport high explosive weapons to the aircraft area, load and test the armed weapons, assign and at least minimally brief the pilot(s). Then the pilot(s) must conduct pre-flight checks before they take off in that hunk of metal that soon might be moving at over 1,000 mph under 9 Gs of stress.

Get it in your head. What Hollywood shows you in movies is not reality. After the Cold War we no longer had fully fueled fully armed aircraft laying around all over the place with pilots that are suited up and standing in a room next to the aircraft!

They got the aircraft up in the air as fast as they could, but it took the FAA over 1 hour before they even contacted the military and then that had to move down the chain of command.

CF SAID: “And why FEMA had on the front cover its 1999 ‘terror response information booklet the WTC being targeted?”

Maybe because it had already been attacked by terrorists. Maybe.

Once again your delusional visions are shot down, but don’t worry, I am hot on the trail of the Easter Bunny, alias Peter Cotton Tail.

“Not really. All most of the country EVER knew about the WTC was the Twin Towers. It’s not surprising at all that the news never mentions anything but them.”

It’s not news when up until that time – nor since – despite an 18 hour fire that consumed a similar bldg in Madrid w/o collapsing that bldg. – that a steel and concrete bldg. has never collapsed due to fire? EVER.

The WTC 7 collapse is such a none event, that the 9/11 Commission doesn’t even mention it in their ‘Omission Report?’

“CF SAID: “And why FEMA had on the front cover its 1999 ‘terror response information booklet the WTC being targeted?”

Maybe because it had already been attacked by terrorists. Maybe.”

The FEMA report cited was printed in 1998-9. It says so right on the covers.

CF SAID: “The FEMA report cited was printed in December 1999″

Now you are looking pretty ignorant. All of your incredible research and you never heard of the attempt to collapse it with a huge truck bomb on February 26, 1993? Not too impressive. Did the Zionists do that one?

Doesn’t look like you do much research except at paranoia sites.

You are looking bad. Good idea to go with the second post to make yourself look twice as foolish.

Here’s a link of the 10-year anniversary. I found you one at the preferred liberal network.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/26/wtc.bombing/

No Patriot, CF is so right in his last post (#64)! Look at the upper right corner of the FEMA document, right over the date (1999).

What do you see?

SS!

I knew all along that the Nazis were behind it!

Which of the facts from the ‘paranoid’ sites did you care to challenge much less refute? patriot behind the pseudonym?

Those aren’t the covers of the FEMA report on terrorism targeting WTC TWin Towers? It wasn’t published in 1998?

“Really? I had no idea of your exstensive military and aviation knowledge. Oh wait, you have none of either.”

Try again, pseudo-patriot, I’m a licensed pilot.

It sure is easy shooting down delusions all day, but it is really starting to get boring. The posts will probably dry up soon on all your articles (only one) once people figure you are beyond help.

But this wonderful country is a free one, so carry on.

By the way, we are still waiting for you to tell us who carried out the SECOND terrorist attack on the WTC.

CF: Did you even read all of my posts? Are you that deluded?

TOUBROUK: AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA HHHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!! I can’t breathe I am laughing so hard!

Little math lesson for you CF. 1993 was 5 years before 1998.

The first attack happened 5 years before that report was published. It was old news then and everybody except you heard about it.

I’ve not addressed 1993 bombing as it is irrelevant to the censorship topic of this article. However, there is much debate surrounding that first ‘attack.’

There’s a CBS video available here:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html

That indicates that the FBI knew in advance about the 1993 bombing.

But of course, even though the video is from and of CBS it is posted on an off-limits web site whatreallyhappened, so even if it’s a diamond, in the opinion of many here, it came from a donkey, so is worthless.

” [Village Voice, 3/30/1993; US Congress, 2/24/1998] The New York Times later reports on Emad Salem, an undercover agent who will be the key government witness in the trial against Yousef. Salem testifies that the FBI knew about the attack beforehand and told him they would thwart it by substituting a harmless powder for the explosives. However, an FBI supervisor called off this plan, and the bombing was not stopped. [New York Times, 10/28/1993] Other suspects were ineptly investigated before the bombing as early as 1990. Several of the bombers were trained by the CIA to fight in the Afghan war, and the CIA later concludes, in internal documents, that it was “partly culpable” for this bombing. [Independent, 11/1/1998]”
Ever hear of false flag operations?

Wasn’t it you, pseudo-patriot, that said the US government had no idea that planes could be hijacked and flown into the WTC?

Here’s more evidence that that idea is male cow dung:

Following the 1993 World Trade Center bombing (see February 26, 1993), the New York Port Authority asks investigative and security consulting firm Kroll Associates to help design new security measures for the WTC. Kroll’s Deputy Chairman Brian Michael Jenkins leads the analysis of future terrorist threats and how they might be addressed. Assessments conclude that a second terrorist attack against the WTC is probable. Although it is considered unlikely, the possibility of terrorists deliberately flying a plane into the WTC towers is included in the range of possible threats. [Jenkins and Edwards-Winslow, 9/2003, pp. 11]

This was sometime in 1993 eight years before 9/11/01

Ever hear of false flag operations?

“Rick Rescorla, a Vietnam veteran who also previously worked for British intelligence, is vice president for security at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter and has an office in the south WTC tower. Following the 1993 bombing, he believes terrorists will attack the WTC again, this time by flying a cargo plane, maybe loaded with biological or chemical weapons, into it. Fred McBee, a close friend of his, will later say, “He assumed that it would be the terrorists’ mission to bring the Trade Center down.” Rescorla therefore wants his company to leave the WTC and relocate to New Jersey, but their lease doesn’t expire until 2006.”

http://tinyurl.com/yvyach ——http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline

Ever hear of false flag operations?

Oh Jeez! Always with the same junk.

“The government knew ahead of time”
“the government did it”
blah blah blah
And then you cite fringe web sites.

You didn’t even know about the first attack. The reason you took so long to post back was you had to read up on it. Just admit it.

WE are all still waiting for you to tell us who you think carried out the SECOND attack on the WTC. If you can’t state your beliefs in a simple explanation that is because to do so would prove your denial is ridiculous and your story doesn’t add up.

I’m just curious because I want to understand you:

Did FDR know about Pearl Harbor ahead of time?

Was the moon program faked?

Did Bush steal the 2000 election?

As long as you took to respond we could have fueled, armed, and launched a wing of F-15s by your estimates.

Who did it?

Who did it?

Make your case or shut up.

We are waiting.

I promise to read your beleifs and even research them. If you are right I would be your biggest supporter.

Just say WHO did it and WHY. The world is waiting.

Patriot:

Glad I have made you laugh about this. I really believe that my Conspiracy got some selling power.

Now, the only thing I have to do is to write a book and find some moronic leftist to endose it…

Toubrouk:

I don’t only see A book in your future. I see a series of books, a movie, hats, t-shirts, coffee mugs, weekly Coast to Coast broadcasts, maybe even a Senate run.

And there is an ample supply of moronic leftists out there. Finding one won’t be hard at all.

Make sure I get an autographed copy.

Don’t wory about your autographed copy, you are on top of my list!

“It’s not news when up until that time – nor since – despite an 18 hour fire that consumed a similar bldg in Madrid w/o collapsing that bldg. – that a steel and concrete bldg. has never collapsed due to fire? EVER.”

Were you talking about this fire?

Hmm… no structural damage due to impact, and the entire building was shorter than the portion above the impact sites in the WTC towers. Oh, and portions of the upper floors DID collapse, but it wasn’t enough to take down the whole thing there. Probably built with more of a safety factor, because it could be done in the much shorter building.

Oh, and yes, as Patriot said, flight crews for 30 years prior to 9/11 had been trained to give hijackers what they wanted, and to leave negotiation and rescue operations to the “professionals”, in the belief that the passengers would be safer that way. I suppose you don’t remember any of the hijackings that happened in the ’70s and ’80s.

“You didn’t even know about the first attack. The reason you took so long to post back was you had to read up on it. Just admit it.”

I didn’t know about the first attack? Get real.

“I suppose you don’t remember any of the hijackings that happened in the ’70s and ’80s.”

Maybe you have a reading comprehension challenge and if so I would understand. I post already that there are 67 documented cases in the nine months preceding 9/11 where the air force intercepted off course aircraft both commercial and private.

“Furthermore, not one of the Commissioners brought up the 67 Air Force interceptions successfully executed during the year prior to 9/11 (AP, 8/13/02).”

“Interception is a standard – and mandatory – emergency procedure in the U.S. in suspected hijacks and one that had been used routinely in 67 air scares over America in the nine months preceding 9/11. But, disturbingly, fighter jets were instead ordered out of an air base 180 miles away in Cape Cod. And they flew so slowly that they did not even arrive in time to stop the second hijack attack on the south tower of the Trade Centre. According to Griffin, “There are standard procedures for situations such as this . . . and if they had been followed American Airline Flight 11 would have been intercepted by fighter jets within ten minutes of any sign that it had been hijacked. Had the plane then failed to obey the standard signal to follow the fighter jets to an airport it would have been shot down.”

http://100777.com/node/874

Lt-Col Duffy has since said that he was “on full blower all the way” – a top speed of more than 1850mph, which meant he could travel at 32 miles every minute. “Allowing the standard 2.5 minutes for them to get airborne and up to speed, the fighters should have reached Manhattan in about eight minutes, having a full three minutes left to shoot down the errant airline”, writes Professor Griffin. And yet as United Airlines Flight 175, the second Boeing, crashed into the South Tower, the F-15s were still 70 miles away. It took the fighter pilots not eight minutes to reach downtown New York but 19 minutes. It seems that instead of flying at “full blower” they were travelling at a comparatively leisurely 700mph. If this seems extraordinary, Professor Griffin raises some other tantalising questions about events that day.”

Lt-Col Duffy says it only takes 2.5 minutes for an airforce pilot to get his F-15 airborne, not the ridiculous time mentioned by the resident armchair expert pseudo-patriots herein.

That is 2.5 minutes once the aircraft is cleared for take off idiot. You are just proving more and more how much of a joke you are.

1. Deny fact

2. Create new delusion based on nut case website.

3. Pretend you know something.

And we are still waiting. Speak up! Who did it and why?

We have shot down EVERYTHING you have said. So blow us away with you your grand theory.

And you have the nerve to call ME an armchair military expert? What the hell have you ever done? And playing Risk doesn’t count as military experience.

I’ve got you beat by over 20 years liberal puke.

More accurately, I’m a Constitutionalist.

“That is 2.5 minutes once the aircraft is cleared for take off idiot. You are just proving more and more how much of a joke you are.”
Pseudo-patriot – armchair military expert on aircraft proceedure during hijacking scares over US airspace.
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“Allowing the standard 2.5 minutes….

for them……

to get…..

airborne….

and up to speed…”

Lt-Col Duffy