African Americans Are Foolish To Be Flocking To Islam

Robert – this is by far the most racist and intolerant pieces I’ve ever seen you publish. Are you seriously suggesting that Malcolm X might as well have declared his love for the KKK by converting to Islam?

1. You conflate Arab with Muslim. There are many Arab Christians (Coptics to be precise) living in Egypt, Maronites living in Lebanon, and more still living in Bethleham Palestine. To say the “Arab World” feels one way or another way about something is foolish as well. There are millions of Muslims and Arabs living there whom you have no right to put feelings and opinions in their mouth.

2. It’s intolerant to tell “African Americans” as a group what they should or should not do. “They” are individuals who can make up their own minds.

3. It is further intolerant suggest that the worlds 1.5bn Muslims are intolerant of Blacks. Based on what logic? “In the Arab world blacks are viewed as subhuman.” Really? Could you please back this up?

According to some Islamic sources, one of the first male converts to Islam was Zayd ibn Harithah, a slave with African heritage in his family line.

Furthermore, when the Prophet Mohammad was fleeing persecution in 615 AD he sought safe haven in Ethiopia – I hardly think it would be fair to suggest that they viewed their protectors as subhuman.

Bottom line, there may be people who have a negative view of African Americans in the Arab World (which gives them something in common with Europeans) but you have absolutely no right to generalize their entire history to make a point which is so offensive it barely merits debating.

I was under the false impression, I guess, that you were supposed to be a liberal here. The liberals I know oppose intolerance of any kind, even against Islam.

Now, now Stephanie, you are being intolerant. RPR is entitled to his opinion, isn’t he? Isn’t this just part of ‘diversity’ of view? Who are you to argue with him and denigrate his right to his view?

Aren’t these the usual things that lefties say when someone objects to something outrageous they spout?

ANYONE who converts to the faith where one must profess to believe that every word of the Holy Quran is the uncreated word of God dictated to Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel, without FIRST carefully reading every sentence and verse of Suras 2 through 9 and deciding whether he or she can truly accept such as the Word of God,
is a fool.
Including Americans of African descent.
Anyone who joins a religion where Mohammed is defined as the perfect man whose life should be emulated without first considering whether consummating a marriage between a fifty-something year old man and a 9 year old girl is truly something to be emulated, is a fool. Not to mention the raid and destruction of the HARMLESS Jewish farming community at the Khaybar Oasis. The beheading of 700 Jewish prisoners who had already surrendered. The teaching of Jew-Hate that would make Joe Goebbels blush. Its enough to make me want to kiss the ground and stick my butt up in the air. Go for a walk around the Kaaba while condemning idolotry as an evil sin! Love that black rock in the 1959 Cadillac tail light fixture.
And how do you get to Heaven as a shaheed? Blow yourself up on the Tel Aviv-Haifa public bus when it is chock full of Israelis!
I think folks are better off at the good old First A.M.E.! They dress their best, dance, sing, and have a good old time! Who says you can’t have a party while worshiping God!

Saudi Arabia (you know, that place where mecca is, and whose oil we covet), did not outlaw slavery until 1962.

Arab muslims facilitated the African slave trade by capturing Africans and selling them to European christians.

Arab muslims are the driving force behind the underground slavery market today. Particularly, the white slave, sex trade that deals in young, white women and girls. Many of whom are kidnapped from the United States, and sold to Arab billionairs.

In islamic societies, women are treated as chattel, exist only under the good will or ill will of their male benefactors, and have zero human rights !

Read the Quran (I recommend the Abdullah Yusef Ali, translation). See for yourself what a great friend, and benefactor islam is to the downtrodden… IT AIN’T!

I find most of RPR’s posts (essays????) to be pretty shallow. However, I do agree with him on one thing. Religion is the bane of the human race. Particularly islam!!

amfortas – sure we’re entitled to our own views. But we’re not entitled to escape criticism for them. If you dish it out, you gotta take it. Free speech works both ways.

Roger Knight – Is that really so different from how Christians view the Bible? It’s the word of God and Jesus Christ is God on Earth?

And what’s this business about Surah 2 through 9? There are well over 100 chapters to the Quran, and for a Muslim they are all important. Surah 109, verse 6, for example says “To you be your way, and to me be mine.” Yeah there are messed up verses in the Quran. Take a look at the Bible, Leviticus Chapter 25 verse 44, to be precise, which says sex slavery is ok.

There are 1.5 bn Muslims in the world and they aren’t going anywhere. Better learn to find a better strategy than “lets kill them all” or “lets hate them” because in the end they have been here 1400 years and they will probably be here another 1400.

Dear Mike,

I don’t advocate censorship, but you were quick to point out anti-semitism when it was layed out on Charles F’s posts. Will you now call out this bigotry against Islam? It seems to me to be a double standard if nothing is said about this post – there were over 200 posts attacking CF for being racist, and threats to go to the ADL. Where is everybody now?

Sounds to me like people have a bad case of the “I don’t stick to my principles” blues.

SG: Organized religion is a blight on humankind and Islam in particular has enslaved millions.

I gave an example where Arab Muslims are committing genocide, against black Christians.

My essays are minimalist, not scholary. I expect intelligent persons to fill in the blanks. If I mention that the KKK is evil, I don’t feel obligated to list their litany of sins. When I label Islam intolerant; I expect reasonably intelligent Americans (liberals and conservatives) to know what I’m talking about.

Robert – minimalist or scholarly, what you wrote here was racist/bigoted, there’s no excuse for it. You attack both Arabs and Muslims, which are DIFFERENT (i’ve already pointed out how many millions of christians live in the Arab world)

Your article has a basic contradiction in that you call Organized Religion a blight on mankind but then suggest, “It’s countries where Christianity is the major religious influence who help the poor and oppressed throughout the world.”

Which is it?

You point out that the KKK is “evil,” no argument here except that’s another organized religious term and it has nothing to do with Islam. Last I checked European Christians enslaved Blacks as much as anybody else in the world, and all the founding members of the Klan were actually protestant. Muslims don’t have a monopoly on hate.

Since when did you get in the business of justifying intolerance? I mean what do you think you are doing with an article like this? Doing a community service?

BTW – FACT check on Darfur, it’s Muslims killing Muslims. It was only during the second sudanese civil war that it was christians vs muslims.

Take a look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict

Quote “Unlike in the Second Sudanese Civil War, which was fought between the primarily Muslim north and Christian and Animist south, in Darfur most of the residents are Muslim, as are the Janjaweed.[2]“

It’s my belief that the world would be much better off without organized religon, but I’m not blind to the good works performed by Christian organizations.

Organized Christianity is one of my favorite targets, but the evil Christians do pales in comparison to the evil perpetrated by Muslims.

Stephen, are you not aware that the Arabic word for “black man” is the same word that means “slave”? Not the “Muslim” word, the ARABIC word?

P.S. Stephen, quoting wikipedia is really stupid. I just went to the link you gave, and now it reads “muslims in Darfur are killing idiot feminists”. Wikipedia is even less accurate than you are.

To Robert Paul Reyes,

This article is shallow and frought with prejudice based on ignorance.

The Koran states, “there shall be no compulsion in religion.” Throughout the entire Muslim world Christians, Jews, and Muslims conduct business on a daily basis.

I wrote for a Muslim paper for four years, was honored with a plaque as being the outstanding op-ed writer, an award never before given to any writer. I was welcomed as a lecturere at their Mosques and was treated with respect. Young men would slip money into my pocket because they considered me their father and wanted to show their respect. They all knew that I was a Christian.

I was interviewed on Radio Islam in Chicago and wrote for Islamonline.net, the world’d largest Islamic internet operation, the English language edition of which gets a few million hits a month.
They all knew I was a non-Muslim.

Some who read my articles asked for the privilege of coming to visit me or invited me into their homes.

I realie that an individuals personal experiences do not speak for the group, and aside from these experiences I have read the Koran through several times. It does not contradict the Bible but supoorts it. Of there are some theological differences,that’s why it’s a differnet religion.

I consider this article typical of Western thinking, whether liberal or conservative; we are right they are wrong, we are good they are bad.

In fact, I add this note in closing to Messers Reyes and Guess:liberals are as narrow-minded and unadaptable to the viewpoints of others as any species of life. To disagree with them is to be called a facist and ostracized from their community. They have no conceptual understanding of anything and are not pro anything. They are aginst the very structures that hold society together, family and spiritual understanding.

They are the true religious fanatics of the world.They believe in international socialism and woe unto those who do not believe.

George, I just don’t understand how you can be so right about liberals, and the relationships between men and women, and be so blind to the Islamo-fascist threat. No other religion says it MUST be the only religion. No other religion says if you don’t convert, you must pay a heavy usury, or be enslaved, or you must be killed. If you have read the Koran, you should know this. How this complements the Bible I don’t know.

Even if (as is commonly claimed) only one out of ten Muslims are “Islamists”, that still leaves a hundred million or so who want you dead. Can you give me a good way to tell them apart?

To Steven Guess

ISLAM is not a RELIGION; it is an invasion

Don’t you find it odd that death and destruction seems to happen wherever muslims gather.

Find the latest muslim outrage and you will find many dead…mostly other muslims. Yeah, that cult of death is a real religion of peace… NOT!

To Halo,

Are you not aware of Chirstian history? The Conquistadors chopped the heads off of those who would not bow down to Christianity. When the job was done they reported back to the Pope, It is Finshed.

You must know about the inquisition.

You have not seen here on these very blog sites the statement that Christianity is the one true faith?

You have not seen the destruction of all religions by Christians whether on Easter Island, Japan, or Africa?

Do you not know that most of the early immigrants to this country came to avoid relgious persecution?

Take off your historical blinders.

Just a suggestion for reyes: replace Islam with liberalism/progressivism and the article makes sense. Just do a simple word search-and-replace and you have an enlightening story that is far closer to the truth.

Looks like the Islamofascist apologists have their pantys in a bunch. I just love how these apologists squeal about things like the “Inquisition”, (that happened how many centuries ago?) as some kind of justification for the behaviour Islamic nutcases that is going on in the present.

Elder George: You have zero credibility; you use this forum to hawk your books. You are not a published author by the way, Publish America is not a legitimate publisher, it’s nothing but a printing press.

Those Islamic puplications are the only ones who will publish your tripe, of course you will turn a blind eye to the evils of Islam.

Mr. Guess, how do you do?
It is true that Surah 109, verse 6, for example says “To you be your way, and to me be mine.”
But they do not act on it. Suras 4, 5, 8, and 9 explain the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezballah, Hamas, Al Quaida and why Israel can never make peace with the surrounding Arabs except by 1) committing mass suicide, 2) converting all 5 million Jews in Israel to Islam, or 3) packing up and leaving for another planet.
It is also permissible in Islam to lie to Infidels and to not be bound by any contract or treaty made with an Infidel.
That is a show stopper all by itself.
We can thus never safely have any relationship whatsoever with a Muslim that requires any level of trust at all.
The only Muslims we can trust are apostates, and they are not Muslims anymore. Under all 8 traditions of sharia law, 4 Sunni and 4 Shiite, apostates are subject to a sentence of death unless they renounce their religious conversions.
So much for no compulsion in religion.
Does this mean I hate people who follow the Muslim religion? No. Except those who kill, kidnap, and torture in the name of their religion.
But I do view this the way some Christians view homosexuality: love the sinner and hate the sin.
Of course, as sins go, homosexuality is pretty minor compared with violating a 9 year old girl, blowing up a mosque in Karbala because it is a Shiite mosque and not a Sunni mosque (and I might add, when there are a few hundred Shiites inside for Friday prayer), shooting rockets into Sderot, and hijacking passenger carrying aircraft and flying them into office buildings.
I am sure there are millions of Muslims who oppse the killing and terror in the name of their religion, but they are incredibly silent about their opposition to such inhumanity to humans in the name of Allah.

Elder George said,

Are you not aware of Chirstian history? The Conquistadors chopped the heads off of those who would not bow down to Christianity. When the job was done they reported back to the Pope, It is Finshed.

We could get into details about Christianity versus Catholicism, but I’d just as soon not. But the main fact is that you are using long ago history, by people looooooooooong dead to justify present day atrocities. Same as the Islamo-fascists do. You need to take a long look at which side you are on. Just remember this, WE don’t want you dead.

Priceless!

“check on Darfur, it’s Muslims killing Muslims. It was only during the second sudanese civil war that it was christians vs muslims.”

Correct!

Arab Muslims vs Non-Arab Muslims, and everyone else. (Try to hold it together Stevie.)

Roger: Very good, as usual.

Squigg is correct about the word for “slave”. (and it relly bugs my Nation of Islam aquaintances when I remind them of it!)

George, you’re still nothing more than a buffoon.
‘The Koran states, “there shall be no compulsion in religion.”’

It also demands the killing of apostates.

Poor example, Buffoon.

The black Americans who convert to Islam are better off in every way, compared to our secularism that strips everyone in the US of their traditional beliefs, and everything that brings meaning to our lives. I would rather have my child in a Muslim school than a US public school that imposes secular-athesit-materialist-science stripping everyone of their traditional religion.

Why not a Catholic or other parochial school? As for public schools the matter is location and local politics. Many suburban districts are very impressive in quality of curriculum. Enough conservatives and/or the types who can be counted on to ask the questions that need to be asked get on suburban school boards and they keep some of the more nonsensical ideas in check.
Personally, I think blacks would be much better off if they would just VOTE conservative! Re-electing Ray “school bus” Nagin? After the gun grabbing incident?
What are we suppose to think?
I suppose Islam is an improvement over the “gangsta” and “welfare dependency” culture, but there are so many better alternatives that don’t put you at odds with the rest of American society.

I would bet there is a higher percentage of young people in the secularized US attempting suicide, than young people in Muslim schools turning to terrorism. I’m too busy at my job right now, to do that kind of research. I would bet anyone a Snickers bar I’m right.

You bet a Snickers bar? You’re gay? Never mind. But you are wrong about your kids turning Muslim.

If your kids were on drugs, they can be “cured” of that. According to the Koran, the only way to “cure” you of Islam is to kill you.

nighthawk said,

Squigg is correct about the word for “slave”. (and it relly bugs my Nation of Islam aquaintances when I remind them of it!)

As a black man, it behooves me to know what groups are wanting me dead. I’m not the least bit worried about idiots like “the Klan” and David Duke. They are total marones, but they’re all mouth. Islam is much more than mouth.

I notice Stephen dropped out again. Can’t handle a hot kitchen (where only truth is on the stove).