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	<title>Comments on: Mrs. Clinton endorses gay adoption, quietly</title>
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		<title>By: Toy Soldier</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/03/08/mrs-clinton-endorses-gay-adoption-quietly/comment-page-1/#comment-33918</link>
		<dc:creator>Toy Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Based on that evidence, combined with the inconclusive nature of the evidence on same sex parenting, we have no right to assume that children will do just fine with same sex couples.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

At the moment there is no evidence that demonstrates any overt detrimental harm to a child being raised by two parents of the same gender.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The child has a right to have a relationship with both of his parents, united to each other in bonds of love. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

A child also has a right to a loving, stable home. Again, most people advocating against gay adoption are not providing that for those children. So the argument against it really sounds like, &quot;These kids need a mother and a father. Not me and my wife, of course. But someone who isn&#039;t gay and is married should take those kids in. Just not me and my wife.&quot; 

That is not a compelling argument. It sounds more like an attempt to attack gays rather than any genuine concern for those children. After all, the easiest means of preventing gay adoption is by adopting the children yourself. Since there are more straight couples than gay couples, this should not be a problem. However, no one seems to want to do that. Instead, people fight against other people who wish to care for children no one else wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Based on that evidence, combined with the inconclusive nature of the evidence on same sex parenting, we have no right to assume that children will do just fine with same sex couples.</p></blockquote>
<p>At the moment there is no evidence that demonstrates any overt detrimental harm to a child being raised by two parents of the same gender.</p>
<blockquote><p>The child has a right to have a relationship with both of his parents, united to each other in bonds of love. </p></blockquote>
<p>A child also has a right to a loving, stable home. Again, most people advocating against gay adoption are not providing that for those children. So the argument against it really sounds like, &#8220;These kids need a mother and a father. Not me and my wife, of course. But someone who isn&#8217;t gay and is married should take those kids in. Just not me and my wife.&#8221; </p>
<p>That is not a compelling argument. It sounds more like an attempt to attack gays rather than any genuine concern for those children. After all, the easiest means of preventing gay adoption is by adopting the children yourself. Since there are more straight couples than gay couples, this should not be a problem. However, no one seems to want to do that. Instead, people fight against other people who wish to care for children no one else wants.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/03/08/mrs-clinton-endorses-gay-adoption-quietly/comment-page-1/#comment-33883</link>
		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillarious Hillary has not got it all her own way. There are a few women speaking out against same sex relationships and against same sex couples adopting children.

Jennifer Roback Morse, for example, gave a speech recently too. In it she made some very pertinent arguements and said:-

The family is the basic unit that propels society forward into the next generation. Neither the state nor the market can perform this function of generating and rearing children. A man and a woman, united in marriage, and their children, constitute the basic cell of the family. . . 

Men and women are different in socially significant ways. These differences are intrinsically complementary, and have the potential to be sources of mutual benefit, despite the easily observed fact that gender differences can be a source of conflict and misunderstanding between men and women. 

I argue that complementarity between men and women is an essential aspect of both marriage and parenting. Obviously, the reproductive process itself requires a parent of each gender. For their full development, children need parents of both genders. Mothers and fathers each make unique and distinct contributions to the childâ€™s development. We know that mother absence in infancy places a child at risk for attachment disorder. We know that breast-feeding offers unique physiological and psychological protections to an infant. Likewise, fathers provide valuable inputs that women, even masculine women can not provide. 

The absence of a childâ€™s father in the household places boys at risk for delinquent and girls at risk for early sexual activity. Across a wide array of behaviors, we find that boys and girls respond differently to father absence than to mother absence, and indeed that boys and girls develop differently, and respond to their environments differently. Gender is a relevant category for parenting. 

The alternative view is that gender is an irrelevant category and that men and women are interchangeable. There is no unique contribution of either gender to anything relevant to the family. The contributions to child-rearing that I am calling uniquely masculine can be rendered by a woman. The uniquely feminine contributions to the family can, in principle, be provided by a man. But this view that men and women are perfect substitutes for all practical purposes undercuts the very idea of sexual orientation. 

A gay manâ€™s insistence on a male sexual partner provides evidence that he does not regard men and women as perfect substitutes. A lesbian womanâ€™s desire for a female partner illustrates that she herself does not regard even a â€œfeminineâ€ man to be just as good as a woman. If men and women were truly interchangeable, then the idea of â€œsexual orientationâ€ would be incomprehensible. No one would insist on either an opposite sex partner or a same sex partner. No one could plausibly claim that they were being discriminated against by the requirement that marriage consist of a man and a woman. Evidently, the same sex experience canâ€™t be replicated by having an opposite sex partner. I conclude that even people who experience same sex attraction believe that the differences between men and women are significant and meaningful. Gender is relevant, in at least some dimensions. 

Advocates of same sex parenting claim the gender is irrelevant for the purposes of parenting. Everything a child gets from his mother can be equally obtained from a household with two fathers. Likewise, he or she can just as well receive everything a child gets from his father all across his developmental stages, from a household with two mothers. Yet at the same time that gender is supposed to be irrelevant to children, gender is considered crucial for adults. The same adults who insist on a partner of a specific gender claim that the children regard the gender of his parents as irrelevant. 

Put another way, adults are entitled to have what they want. Children have to take what we give them. 

Advocates of opposite sex parenting face no such conundrum. We accept that the differences between men and women are real, significant and complementary. Indeed, one of the great purposes of uniting men and women in marriage is to provide the children they may bear with the unique and mutually complementary gifts that each gender provides. 

This, then is my first public reason for limiting adoption by same sex couples. The child has a right to have a relationship with both of his parents, united to each other in bonds of love. The situation of adoption itself presupposes that something has happened to disrupt that ordinary entitlement of the child. However, the child is still entitled to an adoptive situation that most closely mirrors a life-long relationship with both parents. 

We want the child to have contributions of each gender to his well-being, and we want the child to be supported by a stable long-term relationship marriage relationship. We know that children do best with their biological parents, married to each other. This is superior to having divorced parents, step parents, cohabiting biological parents, single parents. Based on that evidence, combined with the inconclusive nature of the evidence on same sex parenting, we have no right to assume that children will do just fine with same sex couples. 

http://jennifer-roback- morse.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillarious Hillary has not got it all her own way. There are a few women speaking out against same sex relationships and against same sex couples adopting children.</p>
<p>Jennifer Roback Morse, for example, gave a speech recently too. In it she made some very pertinent arguements and said:-</p>
<p>The family is the basic unit that propels society forward into the next generation. Neither the state nor the market can perform this function of generating and rearing children. A man and a woman, united in marriage, and their children, constitute the basic cell of the family. . . </p>
<p>Men and women are different in socially significant ways. These differences are intrinsically complementary, and have the potential to be sources of mutual benefit, despite the easily observed fact that gender differences can be a source of conflict and misunderstanding between men and women. </p>
<p>I argue that complementarity between men and women is an essential aspect of both marriage and parenting. Obviously, the reproductive process itself requires a parent of each gender. For their full development, children need parents of both genders. Mothers and fathers each make unique and distinct contributions to the childâ€™s development. We know that mother absence in infancy places a child at risk for attachment disorder. We know that breast-feeding offers unique physiological and psychological protections to an infant. Likewise, fathers provide valuable inputs that women, even masculine women can not provide. </p>
<p>The absence of a childâ€™s father in the household places boys at risk for delinquent and girls at risk for early sexual activity. Across a wide array of behaviors, we find that boys and girls respond differently to father absence than to mother absence, and indeed that boys and girls develop differently, and respond to their environments differently. Gender is a relevant category for parenting. </p>
<p>The alternative view is that gender is an irrelevant category and that men and women are interchangeable. There is no unique contribution of either gender to anything relevant to the family. The contributions to child-rearing that I am calling uniquely masculine can be rendered by a woman. The uniquely feminine contributions to the family can, in principle, be provided by a man. But this view that men and women are perfect substitutes for all practical purposes undercuts the very idea of sexual orientation. </p>
<p>A gay manâ€™s insistence on a male sexual partner provides evidence that he does not regard men and women as perfect substitutes. A lesbian womanâ€™s desire for a female partner illustrates that she herself does not regard even a â€œfeminineâ€ man to be just as good as a woman. If men and women were truly interchangeable, then the idea of â€œsexual orientationâ€ would be incomprehensible. No one would insist on either an opposite sex partner or a same sex partner. No one could plausibly claim that they were being discriminated against by the requirement that marriage consist of a man and a woman. Evidently, the same sex experience canâ€™t be replicated by having an opposite sex partner. I conclude that even people who experience same sex attraction believe that the differences between men and women are significant and meaningful. Gender is relevant, in at least some dimensions. </p>
<p>Advocates of same sex parenting claim the gender is irrelevant for the purposes of parenting. Everything a child gets from his mother can be equally obtained from a household with two fathers. Likewise, he or she can just as well receive everything a child gets from his father all across his developmental stages, from a household with two mothers. Yet at the same time that gender is supposed to be irrelevant to children, gender is considered crucial for adults. The same adults who insist on a partner of a specific gender claim that the children regard the gender of his parents as irrelevant. </p>
<p>Put another way, adults are entitled to have what they want. Children have to take what we give them. </p>
<p>Advocates of opposite sex parenting face no such conundrum. We accept that the differences between men and women are real, significant and complementary. Indeed, one of the great purposes of uniting men and women in marriage is to provide the children they may bear with the unique and mutually complementary gifts that each gender provides. </p>
<p>This, then is my first public reason for limiting adoption by same sex couples. The child has a right to have a relationship with both of his parents, united to each other in bonds of love. The situation of adoption itself presupposes that something has happened to disrupt that ordinary entitlement of the child. However, the child is still entitled to an adoptive situation that most closely mirrors a life-long relationship with both parents. </p>
<p>We want the child to have contributions of each gender to his well-being, and we want the child to be supported by a stable long-term relationship marriage relationship. We know that children do best with their biological parents, married to each other. This is superior to having divorced parents, step parents, cohabiting biological parents, single parents. Based on that evidence, combined with the inconclusive nature of the evidence on same sex parenting, we have no right to assume that children will do just fine with same sex couples. </p>
<p><a href="http://jennifer-roback-" rel="nofollow">http://jennifer-roback-</a> morse.blogspot.com/</p>
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		<title>By: Toy Soldier</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/03/08/mrs-clinton-endorses-gay-adoption-quietly/comment-page-1/#comment-33873</link>
		<dc:creator>Toy Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, one would think gay marriage would be a bigger issue than gay adoption. It really is not that big of an issue considering that the majority of people opposed to gay adoption are not tripping over themselves to adopt unwanted children. Those kids still remain in foster care, bounced from home to home, with little to no hope for a stable family. The idea of opposing anything that would grant those children that is rather silly, again because the opposition is not adopting those children.

As for Clinton hiding the speech, I do find that curious. If she truly supports gay adoption, then it makes little sense for her to hide it. Of course, she could later claim that the reason for keeping it under the radar is because of the reaction her support would garner from the right. Let us not forget that Clinton is still trying to play the moderate. I do not think anyone particularly buys her act, but she is trying to appear that she is in the middle. I suppose that may explain her keeping the speech low-key, but not much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, one would think gay marriage would be a bigger issue than gay adoption. It really is not that big of an issue considering that the majority of people opposed to gay adoption are not tripping over themselves to adopt unwanted children. Those kids still remain in foster care, bounced from home to home, with little to no hope for a stable family. The idea of opposing anything that would grant those children that is rather silly, again because the opposition is not adopting those children.</p>
<p>As for Clinton hiding the speech, I do find that curious. If she truly supports gay adoption, then it makes little sense for her to hide it. Of course, she could later claim that the reason for keeping it under the radar is because of the reaction her support would garner from the right. Let us not forget that Clinton is still trying to play the moderate. I do not think anyone particularly buys her act, but she is trying to appear that she is in the middle. I suppose that may explain her keeping the speech low-key, but not much.</p>
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		<title>By: RestoringGuy</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/03/08/mrs-clinton-endorses-gay-adoption-quietly/comment-page-1/#comment-33852</link>
		<dc:creator>RestoringGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is a sad typical political ploy (pandering to a subgroup) the topic of this story doesn&#039;t address the real problem:  This is a family matter.  Why is the government involved at all?  Adoption is another word for a piece of paper that says they won&#039;t later attack and break up the family you choose to make.   It is a protection racket, and not laissez-faire, as she pretends it is.

The obvious thing is that it won&#039;t help lesbians at all, at least fertile ones.  They can buy sperm on the market.  So why is Ms. Klinton supporting this change, knowing it helps gay men?  Here is the key:  Because she knows it won&#039;t help straight men to adopt, therefore it preserves the feminist privilege to get child support from unsuspecting males they can trick into believing the woman&#039;s family goals were sincere.

This is where conservatives have a big opportunity.  If adoption must be government-controlled, they could support adoption for individual men, who are often prohibited to do so, or effectively prohibited by automatic rejection.  Then when a man wants to start a family, because it would then be sole custody, he does not have to worry about the woman abducting them with the aid of the courts.  The family would then be preserved, as nature intended, because there is no monopolistic tool for the woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is a sad typical political ploy (pandering to a subgroup) the topic of this story doesn&#8217;t address the real problem:  This is a family matter.  Why is the government involved at all?  Adoption is another word for a piece of paper that says they won&#8217;t later attack and break up the family you choose to make.   It is a protection racket, and not laissez-faire, as she pretends it is.</p>
<p>The obvious thing is that it won&#8217;t help lesbians at all, at least fertile ones.  They can buy sperm on the market.  So why is Ms. Klinton supporting this change, knowing it helps gay men?  Here is the key:  Because she knows it won&#8217;t help straight men to adopt, therefore it preserves the feminist privilege to get child support from unsuspecting males they can trick into believing the woman&#8217;s family goals were sincere.</p>
<p>This is where conservatives have a big opportunity.  If adoption must be government-controlled, they could support adoption for individual men, who are often prohibited to do so, or effectively prohibited by automatic rejection.  Then when a man wants to start a family, because it would then be sole custody, he does not have to worry about the woman abducting them with the aid of the courts.  The family would then be preserved, as nature intended, because there is no monopolistic tool for the woman.</p>
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		<title>By: S Baker</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/03/08/mrs-clinton-endorses-gay-adoption-quietly/comment-page-1/#comment-33844</link>
		<dc:creator>S Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sexual deviants capturing kids is what the next big thrust of the movement is all about. Rome had catamites for sale and today&#039;s progressives will continue the ancient tradition of queers accessing kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sexual deviants capturing kids is what the next big thrust of the movement is all about. Rome had catamites for sale and today&#8217;s progressives will continue the ancient tradition of queers accessing kids.</p>
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