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25 Responses to “Affair Between Student and Married Teacher Leads to Teen’s Murder in Tennessee”

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   GladMadSadDad Says:
   March 17th, 2007 at 10:05 am

   Noticeably absent from the story is any reflection on the torment of not only his wife having an affair, but also quickly mentioned at the end of the article is the sad fact that the cheater had taken his children from him too. A double whammy which had to be psychologically devastating.

   I’ll now wait for the defenders Ms. Harris to come forth and justify this murder based on similar reasoning. If anything, this murderer is more sympathetic as his wife was cheating and had taken his children from him.

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   thurston861 Says:
   March 17th, 2007 at 11:03 am

   GMSD,

   Please re-read the article.

   Your reading comprehension is not showing well.

   I did not see anyone named Harris involved in the article.

   The wife has taken the children from the home while the father is in custody.

   The wife made the call from the marital home minutes after the husband made the first 911 call from the home.

   This whole tradgedy has been only a week old as of today.

   Now that the Biblical summary death sentence may visit students who copulate with their teachers, maybe students will question the authorities above them with something higher…

   …like NATURAL LAW…

   …which Mom and Dad should have taught them by the age of 13…

   …Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultry…

   …Sex with a Married Woman…

   …Which includes Mrs. McLean, your teacher.

   The facts are that the 18 year old kid knew he was doing wrong and even tried to hide it from his mother.

   The father was defending his family. Two children.

   He should get 30 days just like the guy in Maryland in 1994, who came home off the road in a blizzard, caught the wife with a guy, and summarily blew her away.

   Then he should get custody of the children pending an interim time with HIS Parents having custody. He needs the kids as a purpose to pull his life together.

   The cheating wife, she should get nothing and her Teaching License permanently revoked, maybe even a sex offender conviction.

   This is a tradgedy for the children, and hopefully this young man’s life will not be in vain, for maybe the State will punish the Slut, and reward the Man for doing what a Man must do…for once.

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   GladMadSadDad Says:
   March 17th, 2007 at 12:03 pm

   Yes, I did read it incorrectly. I’ll try to improve my comprehension and you can bone up on current events. My “Harris” reference was in regard to Clara Harris who, in a murderous rage, ran over her husband several times because he was having an affair (she was having an affair also).

   Ms. Harris has many defenders and I was simply wondering if these same defenders will publically support this man for his actions? Since I’ve seen nothing saying he was also having an affair, he seems a more sympathetic figure than Ms. Harris.

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   thurston861 Says:
   March 17th, 2007 at 12:24 pm

   Thanks for the clarification.

   The Harris case was quite heinous. Her daughter pleading her not to do the deed when the Mrs. was having an affair as well.

   Two major points that should send her to old sparky there in the former Republic of Texas.

   I think that with the rash of Teacher Affairs in current events in this land the case will be very earth shaking to the status quo. Sympathy should run very high and tensions due to current events should result in a massive turn out in support of Eric McLean, and his eventual custody of his children.

   Hopefully, his wife will be charged for her violation of the public trust and be professionally destroyed as well as labeled a sex offender.

   Clearly Mr. McLean fled the scene, yet he did not discard the weapon. He was probably trying to determine if he should kill himself. So remorse is a certainty.

   He gave everything, and she still screwed him and his kids.

   Too bad we do not have complicity statutes.

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   amfortas Says:
   March 18th, 2007 at 2:42 am

   A tragedy caused by a woman who couldn’t keep her knickers up, couldn’t keep her marriage vows, and couldn’t keep her hands off a youngster. Don’t expect to hear most women say any of that though. They will say she was ‘empowered’.

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   EvilWhiteBoy Says:
   March 18th, 2007 at 7:58 am

   Gee, guys, I don’t know. Do we really want to get into a mode where we are cheering on our murderers while they are cheering on theirs? That strikes me as a pussy thing, if I may be so bold. Killers are killers — f*ck ‘em all.

   My nightmare is that one day soon a man will systematically drown all five of his children in a bathtub — and there will be a flood of letters in MND demanding to know why the wife isn’t punished too and that no one appreciates how hard it is to be a father these days. Not all the letters would be like that, I’m sure, but far too many of them.

   For men to ape women at their worst is not social progress. It would be just one more instance of how women set the agenda and the tone to the debate while we follow meekly along.

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   GladMadSadDad Says:
   March 18th, 2007 at 8:53 am

   I don’t believe it is cheering on murderers to point out the hypocrisy of defeinding female murderers while condemning male murderers. Especially considering that many in mainstream nod their heads in agreement when the rad fems invent excuses for abhorrent female behavior. I would hope that the average person would recognize their own hypocrisy when it is so clearly pointed out.

   I also think it can be enlightening to explore the backgrounds of murderers to identify commonality. This should not be construed to mean a defense of murder, but simply an effort to avert similar tragedies.

   There are certain people, think Steveno, who will find reasons to cirticize men and Fathers regardless of what we do or write, so I don’t worry too much about them. They are a lost cause and should be used as tools for expanding awareness, but we should never expect that we can change their minds. They already know they are wrong and they don’t care.

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   thurston861 Says:
   March 18th, 2007 at 8:57 am

   To use yourown words Evil,

   It’s a pussy thing to drown 5 children. Death is befitting.

   It is a pussy thing to not give a man death for adultery against this father and 2 children.

   It will now never be the court’s decision to give it to the slut.

   That is the real pussy thing that has us here.

   You evade the notion of justice and cannot give justice the notion of such authority. That is the pussy thing that has us here.

   Your words are projecting yourself

   Go to the false elightenment of the feminists.

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   EvilWhiteBoy Says:
   March 18th, 2007 at 9:23 am

   Thank you for your comments. Nevertheless, I stand by what I wrote. Pointing out hypocrisy is perfectly appropriate — wallowing in it to excuse our (in the sense that we are all men) own crimes is something we should be extremely cautious of.

   As for Mr. Thurston861, oh my. I ask again, how far we are willing to travel down this road. Stoning deaths for adulterers? Vigilante justice? Where would it end? The Republic of Islam?

   I thought our goal as men was the recovery of the law, so that men would be treated equally. Am I wrong? I don’t want the right to kill a woman if she leaves me — I just want to render her impotent over my life and property. A very different thing I would think, but maybe that’s just me.

   As for going ” . . . to the false enlightenment of the feminists,” my concern is that too many of us already are.

   Have a nice day.

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    conservativation Says:
    March 18th, 2007 at 9:47 am

    Adultery has inadvertantly become criminal in Michigan which we all read here. It should become criminal everywhere, period. The paramour as well as the spouse, either one, have commited a crime against a family unit, as grievous to the children of the affected marriage as many other crimes. It is in the absolute, a sex crime. Sex crimes involve giving in to urges, tossing control, and to hell w/ consequence. In divorce it should be more important.

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    EvilWhiteBoy Says:
    March 18th, 2007 at 12:09 pm

    To Mr. conservativation:

    What you have given here, at the very least, is permission, not to mention a strategy, to every woman who despises her husband (and we agreee there are a lot of them, yes?): berate, abuse and do everything to drive him out of the house and into the arms of another woman, and then in court clean up while claiming she and the “family unit” was the victim. Nice.

    So once again appeals for reason goes nowhere. Guess it’s time to move on and honor another thread, as this one is kind of creeping me out.

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    thurston861 Says:
    March 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    Evil, first you presume that all justice will be summary.

    If there is due process available, like in NC where a man can civily sue for moeny damages against his wife’s lover, then there is a lessened chance of summary death being applied by a wronged spouse.

    Equally so, with a proper court of Justice applying the law equally to both parties, a woman could be tried for berration, abuse, and neglect of her husband as she violated her solemn VOWS, to love, honor, obey, cherish, so in effect she made a LIE out of Holy Matrimony, Marriage, and is making a LIAR of G-D in trying to use Sacrament and Court as a weapon against a Man.

    This set up is sometimes called complicity (direct).

    Evil, there is reason here, but you intentionally reash without contect.

    You are your name.

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    Obtestor Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 1:57 pm

    Nothing cures affairs faster than a shotgun.

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    randyf Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    The boy had no reason to be there. Was there a confrontation? Did he hit or threaten the father? No one knows.

    He shouldn’t have been shot, if he wasn’t threatening in any way. However, let’s wait until the facts are known.

    In theory, affairs are bad. In real life, no one knows the particulars of any one relationship other than the people involved. Generally speaking, if divorce wasn’t so messy, affairs would be less common. But the financial aspects of divorce can be staggering, as many here know.

    But one thing I read here is an idea of “make it so hard to leave (legally), she’ll have to stay with me!” Even “for the kids!!”.

    Poppycock. No one should have to stay in an unhappy marriage. No one wants the heartbreak of a divorce sprung on them, but a marriage vow isn’t a slavery contract.

    You can’t legislate love or fidelity. It will cause more problems than it settles.

    BUT, if you make things “less messy”, less “one sided”, “equal under the law”, marriages would last longer, IMO. Take away financial incentive, and vindictive behavior goes down. Take away VAWA, and the presumptive guilt that accompanies it, and marriages would last longer. Maybe.

    BUT NEVER FORGET, we live in the Jerry Springer-Oprah society now. Conflict, vanity, defiance, selfishness, sarcasm: these are celibrated in our culture. And it has affected us all.

    It’s the real problem. And evening things out legally won’t change that. Frankly, I don’t know what would.

    **** Oh, I forgot: she should be in jail for rape. If he was 18 at the time, there are still laws I believe about abuse of position by teachers. If not, there ought to be.

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    thurston861 Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    I am going to stand o Jury nullfication, bibilical law, the Vows of Marraige, and the fundamental value of family to society, which society has abandoned.

    The boy deserved the death penalty, so what that he got it summarily. She deserves it too.

    The Man is 30 years old. His oldest child is 11 and he was married to the slut for 11 years. This means he has been with her since his teenaged years. This was his whole world. don’t you see randyf?!

    By the way. ever marriage will be tested by some unhappy times.

    That is why the Vow says for better or for worse.

    If two people can keep their Vows, Marraige can make it. but as the GodMen exchange here shows, Christian Women think thaey can interpret the Bible to justify their not keeping their Vows.

    The Torah, as written by G-D himself says the penatly for adultery is death.

    See how it leads to death no matter what society says, how tightly it closes it eyes and covers its ears screaming that it cannot hear the truth bearing down like a freight train.

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    randyf Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    I’ll put this gently. I’m not as religious as you. I have trouble with belief now. I respect other’s beliefs, but I say again, “marriage is not a contract to Slavery.”

    I think a marriage contract is ridiculous for a man right now. I never, ever thought I would feel this way, but like Denis, I would encourage men not to marry. And to always think about themselves first in any situation where some sort of legal binding may take place. And avoid it. Until things are put right.

    I don’t want to be judged by your concept of G-D. A few years back, I believed what I am sure is close to your beliefs. And I’m always open to proof.

    But I’m a freedom loving person. I think I only have one life to get it right; I don’t want others getting in the way. Yes, I believe in law. Even moral laws that protect people. But I draw the line at others demanding the right to dictate my personal affairs, beyond criminal activity.

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    randyf Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    I guess personal affairs falls under “freedom of assembly”. I have a right to assemble with whomever I want, but should not be made to stay with someone bad for me.

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    conservativation Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    With these comments we see the thin veneer peeled away. Without supporting marriage as an institution (I do not support what we call marriage today) as a building block of society, and with comments “I wont stay with someone who is bad for me”….we look a whole lot like the ladies. I thought the MRM was for balancing the ledger, shutting down the woman exploiting man machine, etc. etc. all for the benefit of marriage and family. Here in this thread Ive seen evidence that its about me me me for some.

    Evil, in the comment about penalty for adultry, how do you feel about your wife staring at the ceiling under another? You seem to think that an affair is remedy for her behavior? Well, hell man, why not just kill her? I mean we cannot have her being abusive to you can we. A randyf, I respectfully suggest that whether she is “good” for you could be better considered before you marry her. Oh believe me I know, they change, they change, and by sorting out the imbalances in the law, and bringing some accountability in for her, you’d be surprised how she may STAY “good” for you…that does not give then license for you to then be the unilateral divorcer…especially if you have kids. If you think so, you have a world of education you missed.

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    thurston861 Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    As long as there are no other marriages in existence in your world you have a right to be with whomever you want.

    But marriages do exist, and if society had been active in enforcement and defnse of marriage you and I would not share the present opinion about not being married again.

    The slut and the dead kid had no right to crap all over those kids and the guy who sacrificed his schooling to support her and her career.

    The State had better lock her up to make the point and defend Fathers.

    His sacrific is his absolution. Set him free and lock her down so she is not rewarded for her complicity in this misery.

    For I am sure of on thing, if that boy had not violated a Natural Law, he would be alive today.

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    thurston861 Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    I am sure that he had no due process of law to divorce the woman and eliminate the marriage as well, with any hope to be with his kids.

    Can’t pay support in prison, can’t collect it either.

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    conservativation Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    Personal affairs do not fall under freedom of assembly, think it over.

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    RestoringGuy Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 5:38 pm

    Certainly one can invoke whatever disincentive on divorce using your own resources. Others are not morally compelled to agree with your exact choice, unless you are compelled to accept theirs to the same extent. It is a catch-22 to prescribe behavior for others and then deny them the same privilege.

    One could guess the child would still be alive if the husband had access to an ethical solution that worked, but I suspect the attack goes deeper. The public sector employees are not judged directly by their customers, but by how well they can hide grabbing what they can. Maybe not always exactly that, but it is clearly always some artificial metric. Suddenly hitting reality and realizing they can only provide incentives in the world but are morally wrong in expecting to directly control others’ behavior is more than they can mentally handle. I would also guess the guy was sympathetic with gender-feminism which adds greatly to his psychotic behavior.

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    Obtestor Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 8:42 pm

    Freedom of assembly in marriage usually equals the second amendment.

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    donnieboy57 Says:
    March 20th, 2007 at 7:34 am

    the fact that the guy was married to a tacher says it all. female teachers are most definitely not user friendly toward men. its an easy thing to understand. he never stood a chance and was probably very feminized without even realising it, until it was too late. count on her running that household. like all men, he had enough and snapped. unlike most men, he reacted with a louder dynamic. it didn’t start with the affair, it ended there.

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    thurston861 Says:
    March 21st, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    One Report has it that on the 15th the Wife tried to Kill herself in Nashville.

    6 days after the events she tried to commit summary judgment against herself for her sin.

    Shame she did not succeed, then it would prove to all the wages of this sin against children, fathers, and society.

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