If adopting the tactics of the very people we (as men) are attempting to defeat is a prerequisite for being an MRA, then count me out.

Title nine is an abomination, and we need to elect representatives who will overturn it. Whining about it will not accomplish anything.

Divorce law is at times completely unfair….so get off your butts and do something about it, stop whining about it on some website comments section like some little college girl.

If defending the indefensible acts of some genuine monster like Alec Baldwin is de riguer for membership to your little crying cotillion, count me out!

Baldwin is a beast with a very long history of uncontrolled emotional outbursts. The statements he made on the tape go way beyond the realm of a frustrated and anxious loving parent, and the only thing he has been seeking forgiveness for is to save his sorry career.

You and Marc Rudov, and Glen Sacks should be embarrassed to defend this guy. The other storys you relate in your article are completely irrelevant to the Baldwin case. No one…at least no one I have heard has ever made any claim that that looney tunes wife of his is or ever has been in any way angelic. She is as twisted as are most the “beautiful people” living in the fantasy world known as Hollywood. But none of that in anyway justifies what Baldwin has done.

Simply looking at him and his squinty small hard eyes and the insincerity of his demeanor in any of his appearances on television reveal the deep underlying anger in this man.

I personally know individuals like him. they are angry, hateful, and generally don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone but themselves. You can hear it in his tirade against Henry Hyde and his entire family, you can hear it in his tirades against President Bush and Dick Cheney.

Yes, you are correct Dabir, I am not an MRA, I am a man. I don’t cower, I don’t hold back, and I don’t vent my anger at women or little children, no matter how obnoxious they may be.

If you want to be a man, try living by Rudyard Kipling’s poem “If”

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ‘em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
‘ Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And – which is more – you’ll be a Man, my son!

However they do support a political party (repub.’s, religious right) that more often then not joins hands with the feminists and Democrats in both demonizing and oppressing the male gender…By passing laws that were written deliberately and intentionally with both malice and forethought to favor the feminine gender over and above men…Which makes all those who support them just as guilty as the feminists and lib. dem.’s…

My conclusion is that because of the wolves in MRA clothing such as Will and Squiggy is one of the primary reasons that the men’s movement has stalled and makes has made so little headway over the years in changing both the publics perception and opinions on issues such as PAS…

But in spite of my willingness to negotiate and patience on often late or unpaid support, that hasn’t been enough. He owns horses. My daughter wants desperately to ride in rodeos and parades and such. So he told her that if she wants to ride in competition, she “needs to be with him more”. Hint, hint. He also tells her that he constantly misses her and that he “wishes he could see her more, but that Mom won’t let him”. Hint, hint, nudge, nudge. Now she tells me that I am mean to him and that she wants to live with him because she wants to learn to be a better rider and that he is sad without her. He has even shown her our divorce agreement and told her that she can decide for herself in a few years. She’s 9! He tells her stories about when we were married and rewrites history to make me the bad guy in every single one. Meanwhile, whenever she has asked questions about our relationship/marriage, I have been very fair, telling her that we both made me mistakes and that we were young and naive. So despite my kindness, I am getting demonized and my child sees me as the jerk. Yet when I ask him about it, or try to talk to him, he gets mad or deflects everything saying that she is blowing smoke. I am sorry, but when she can quote the settlement agreement verbatim, she isn’t lying.

I am now seriously considering litigation, because it is significantly damaging my daughter and my relationship with her. It is also damaging her relationship with her stepfather, as she constantly disrespects him and tells him that he can’t do anything about it because her dad said so. It is VERY frustrating and hurtful, especially since this man was once my best friend. So anyway, like I said, it goes both ways. I wish that he (and every other divorced parent) could put their child(ren) first and not play head games. Ultimately, it serves to hurt the child a lot more than the ex. The courts really need to take the whole parental alienation thing more seriously.

Hence, the myriad of social disasters parental alienation is just one more example of their abuse of power.

I listened to his rant. It was actually quite measured. It was less ‘abusive’ and ‘threatening’ than is being made out. Sure, it may have been loud and forceful but calling someone a thoughtless pig is hardly on a par with ‘all men are rapists’, and telling a child that you are going to spend a whole day with them to ’sort them out’ is a reasonable parental commitment.

I do not excuse him. I do not condemn him either. It was unfortunate. I do not excuse and I do condemn his ex-wife. Her action in making this public is reprehensible. Par for the course she follows though. It is a well trodden unfairway.

As for whether Baldwin could carry representations for fathers in general in the matters that are most in our hearts, again, just how perfect do you want a representative to be? If he can’t be seen as a ‘person of profile’ and too imperfect by virtue of politics and words, I don’t see much use in putting my hand up!

Another angle here is for feminists to look at what they’ve created in our girls….they didnt learn how to be so disrespectful on Father Knows Best now did they?

Honestly, while it hurts because it furthers the stereotype of fathers as vile evil villains, it might just help in the long run. Why? Because liberals are rushing to defend one of their own, Alec Baldwin. And how are they defending him? By raising awareness of parental alienation. If the liberal media is going to discuss PAS instead of silencing the discussion to appease feminists, that could be a very, very good thing, for fathers, children, and mothers, but not for lawyers, judges, and feminists.

As always, Baldwin has damaged the cause of good and decent men (whatever his justification).

I wish to suggest just this –

Parental alienation is a control strategy that mothers begin to use to control thier husbands as soon as the children are born. During the “intact marriage.”

In other words, most “parental alienation” begins within the marriage — NOT during and after divorce proceedings.

Women (mothers) routinely use their children as weapons, as battlefields, in their marital wars with their husbands.

Dads have all experienced this.

The kids are pawns in a psychotic marital conflict.

I could write at length.

Perhaps Glenn…

perhaps you might weigh in on this issue with your expertise?

Lord knows you’ve received hudreds of phone calls and e-mails during your hosting of HisSide….

While Baldwin was clearly `angry’ in the old-fashioned sense, almost any manifestation of distress or expression of dissatisfaction with his situation from a father is likely to be labeled `anger’ in the family court context. In connection with domestic violence the term has been twisted into virtual meaninglessness: the loser in any dispute is forced to wear the mantle of having exhibited _inappropriate_ anger.

Are they purely a victim, or in some sense at some point or age do they also become complicit?

The problem here is that Alec Baldwin is put through an inexcuseable amount of crap an NO MAN, at not any MAN who DESERVES to be CALLED a MAN will put up with an infinite amount of bullshit.

Ireland Baldwin has no damn excuse for treating her father with disrespect. No child has such an excuse with any father who does not abuse her.

Perhaps Cho Whatshisface at Virginia Tech needed a father willing to tell him what is what. If such father had to use all Seven Words to get it through to him, so be it. Had there been such a father backed up by a society that believes in the authority of fathers, 33 dead souls would be still alive today.

Kim Basinger has no damn excuse for her silly-ass game playing and the courts have no damn excuse for enabling Basinger’s game playing, and for denying fathers equal rights in derogation of the Constitution, the 50 state constitutions, and the Antipeonage Act.

Bravo for Alec! Ireland needed to hear that!

Of course they still love each other, and tough love is sometimes necessary.

The qoute from his Mother-in-law was from back in December ‘05: it would be interesting to get a qoute from, say, this week.

No one is “human garbage.” Although I don’t agree with what Kim Basinger did in regards to releasing said audio message I would not label her or Alec as “human garbage.” Yes, I believe it was crass of her to release the recording to the public. I also believe this entire situation is sorrowful, and could have been avoided.

Jesus Christ did for ALL of us, and none of us are without fault, myself included.

Will Malven wrote: “This is a poorly considered article defending someone deserving of nothing but condemnation. Bassinger’s no angel, but she hasn’t threatened her child.”

No she didn’t “threaten” her child. Yet you overlooked the parental alienation aspect. I guess that doesn’t count though right?

Even Godly men may fault via the mouth… Does our God throw them away? No we are not perfect, but must be understanding and realistic.

Jas 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Jas 3:2
For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
Jas 3:3
Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.
Jas 3:4
Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
Jas 3:5
Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
Jas 3:6
And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
Jas 3:7
For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
Jas 3:8
But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Jas 3:9
Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Jas 3:10
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
Jas 3:11
Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
Jas 3:12
Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
Jas 3:13
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
Jas 3:14
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
Jas 3:15
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jas 3:16
For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
Jas 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Jas 3:18
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.