Global Warming Is Real
How else do you explain:
1. Temperature increase of about 0.5C since the 1970s,
2. Variations in radiation and temperature across the surface planet that are generating strong winds which can stir up giant dust storms, trapping heat and raising the planet’s temperature,
3. Widespread changes, with some areas becoming darker… and when a surface darkens it absorbs more heat, eventually radiating that heat back to warm the atmosphere,
4. The rapid climate change is happening so fast that the planet could lose its southern ice cap.
Is it human driven or a natural phenomena?
Considering this global warming is occuring on Mars, I doubt we can blame this one on Republicans driving SUVs.
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April 30th, 2007 at 5:45 am
You’d be surprised at the sort of things that can be blamed on Republicans driving SUVs. All you have to do is ignore a few simple facts and it’s easy as 3.14
April 30th, 2007 at 6:31 am
Some food for thought….
http://epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=264777
April 30th, 2007 at 8:00 am
How else do you explain:
Cycles. How else do you explain the previous dire threat of the next ice age being upon us in the 70’s?
Water has long trapped the heat of the day and radiated it back in the night.
Change is change. The planet is not stagnant as most of us have observed. Chaos theory would indicate that if we didn’t observe changes in climate, something is seriously wrong. Not the other way around. Populations change. Clants grow and die off just as humans and animals do. All contribute to the changes in the atmosphere.
Rapid changes could also reverse or halt so fast as to smash some fools face against the windshield.
But whether there is global warming or global cooling, it remains to be shown that man is the cause and even more important, can / should man do anything about it?
April 30th, 2007 at 9:28 am
To claim to know anything at all about Martian ‘climate’ is simply ludicrous, given the extreme paucity of the data. To then try and draw some conclusion about Earth’s changing climate based on what one thinks is happening on Mars merely compounds the silliness.
> it remains to be shown that man is the cause…
No, Lurk, it really does all add up: CO2 levels have increased 35-40% over the last 150 years because of our having increasingly tapped into massive fossil fuel deposits. The smoking gun is us. No other explanation stands up to any scrutiny. So the question is not “should man do anything about it?”, but should we stop or reverse what we’ve already done.
> How else do you explain the previous dire threat of
> the next ice age being upon us in the 70’s?
I wouldn’t have called it a “dire threat”. It was simply one of many ideas of the sort which routinely get tossed around in scientific circles, and it was never investigated and taken as seriously by the rest of the scientific community to anything like the extent to which global warming currently is. And it still could be true: the system is complex enough that a rapid warming could precipitate changes which would eventually lead to a drastic cooling, as you clearly realize.
April 30th, 2007 at 10:59 am
The feminine materialist culture of the US. and wetern europe is the main cause of global warming!!!!!!
April 30th, 2007 at 11:48 am
“The feminine materialist culture of the US. and Western Europe is the main cause of global warming!!!!!!”
LOL
Your humor aside there is truth in what you say scottkirk. With women at workplace now compared to the previous seventy years, there is a second car in the family. Additionally, in two parent families, double income results in more stuff to fill the bigger home. And in a one parent family, dad lives alone in an apartment (read: more stuff bought to fill his new home and double the utility), while mom and kids live in the original home.
Feminism’s divorce is big business for the housing, automobile, and stuff industry, bad news for global warming?
April 30th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
I know a few women that don’t work, “stay at home moms”, that put more miles on an SUV every year than I do – and all I do is go back and forth to work.
Personally, I am thankful for global warming, otherwise we would still be covered in ice from the Ice Age.
I am no scientist – but cause and effect is a natural occurrence. We burn/consume hydrocarbons that give off noxious elements that all are NOT absorbed by trees and the ground. They have to affect something, and the climate is a handy target – even though the climate has been cyclical for centuries X centuries.
Solar flares, passing through the tail of comets, etc. all have their effects too! Look it up!
Global warming is also a great tool to harvest funds that are being redistributed by the tax man. Speakers like Al Gore and science departments at many Universities are direct recipients. Global warming has become the next “buzz theme” to capture the attention of the people that hold the purse strings!
April 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
…. and I almost have forgotten about “Bird Flu Pandemic” along with 2006 being the worst year for the US to experience ravaging hurricanes!
April 30th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Me thinks all the earth is being covered by cement and ashphalt, heat is reflected and magnified and stays on the surface longer as a result. Where once everything was covered with trees and fields of grasses. Sure emissions and cows burping contribute. Which auto emissions globally contribute 14% whereas animals globally contribute 18%.
April 30th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
I have said this on the Seattle PI blogs and it bears repeating:
Every speck of carbon in the food we eat was in the air as carbon dioxide, not so long ago!
On land the plants our farmers grow, cabbage, lettuce, spinach, tomato, onions, cilantro, carrots, blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, loganberries, marionberries, boysenberries, grapes, apples, plums, pears, peaches, and citrus galore, broccoli, celery, nuts, and sweets from cane and beets, corn syrup, have walked in a maise maze? and wheat, barley and oats, you hungry yet?
But not all that plants that grow is edible by humans, so we feed it to horses, pigs, goats, sheep, cattle, and it is eaten by the deer and antelope, chickens, ducks, and geese, and not only do we eat the meat, dairy and eggs, but we wear the leather and sleep on the feathers, and use the fibres of flax, hemp, and cotton, not to mention everything made of wood and rubber and sisal, and that is not
even including the products of the sea.
For phytoplankton turns carbon dioxide into fish food and that means we have halibut, cod, and salmon, even a whale for the Makahs, not to mention crabs, clams, and lobsters, even our ice cream is made with kelp products as well as from milk and cream.
Now it seems to me that when our food is hauled and processed and shipped using engines and electricity burning fuels that have been in the ground for millions of years, coal, petroleum, oil shale, tar sands, and gas too, we but add carbon dioxide, to the supply from which all of the wonderful products of nature and agriculture are made,
by the magic of chlorophyll, water, Sun, and
carbon dioxide.
200 billion tons of carbon cycle in and out of the biomass each year, to which we add but 6.5 billion tons from the combustion of fossil fuels. Such carbon released by our burning of these fuels is photosynthesized into the biomass, including the good things we eat and use.
That which once was buried in the ground for millions of years, is now part of the biomass, including 6.3 billion human beings, all of whom need to eat and have shelter, and clothing, most of which is supplied by the biomass, to which we add the carbon formerly buried in the ground.
The climate warms up, it cools down, even stays the same for a little while, and past performance is no guarantee of future results!
But we know this:
However much the quantity of carbon dioxide is produced for a bushel of wheat,
without carbon dioxide,
there is no wheat.
So I thank the Industrial Revolution and the Lord,
for the food we are about to eat.
May 1st, 2007 at 5:23 am
The Global Warming Theory is pure bunk and just like everything else it only takes one or two people on a subject to screw over everybody else in the country. Opinions are like ass-_-_s everybodys got one…….
The only ones pushing this have no other intention other than some sort of profit to gain from it.
May 1st, 2007 at 8:23 am
MartianBachelor No, Lurk, it really does all add up: CO2 levels have increased 35-40% over the last 150 years because of our having increasingly tapped into massive fossil fuel deposits.
The problem is, the increases in carbon were detected AFTER the increases in temperature, not before. Now in my Jr. High science classes we were taught that CAUSE preceeds EFFECT, not the other way around. Maybe in your world, it’s different.
MartianBachelor “should man do anything about it?â€, but should we stop or reverse what we’ve already done.
In accordance with you Carbon/warming relationship, it should be easier to do something later and affect it last decade.
MartianBachelorI wouldn’t have called it a “dire threatâ€.
It’s history and proven folderole by this time, just as Global Warming will be shown to be some day. Some fool will then step up and say “I wouldn’t call it dire.”
MartianBachelorAnd it still could be true: the system is complex enough that a rapid warming could precipitate changes which would eventually lead to a drastic cooling, as you clearly realize.
Based on what? Observance of water boiling? Apply heat and whatch the temperature rise rapidly. Remove the heat and watch it fall rapidly? But how far will it fall? What causes the fall? Does it freeze because of the lack of extra heat applied? Or does it seek equilibrium with something as stated in the second law of thermo dynamics?
May 1st, 2007 at 9:32 am
If Al Gore will give me $100,000 a year in Carbon Credits, I will cut my outdoor farts by 50%. Every little helps.
May 1st, 2007 at 9:43 am
All: check this excellent article out that debunks Gore’s inconvenient truth. Really great and apparently there is a clearly a growing cadre of scientists who are really getting upset about Gore’s hijacking of Science for political gain.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm