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has modern feminism “liberated” women, and villified men to the point that women are now desperate for any male attention at all…

I am glad to know that responsibility for the whorish personal choices of young females are to be laid at the feet of the ‘capitalist patriarchy’.

At least we now know that the ‘Marxist matriarchy’ bears none of the blame. Shame on us all for thinking otherwise.

I see desperate women all around me dressing as hookerish as possible to get me, or any man, to look….
I may look at times; but from my past experiences (false rape accusation)
I, and many others realize the ones that dress as hookers are desperate and potentially poisinous….

“Men used to have to goto adult sex shops to see women and girls dressed the way some of us dress to go to school and work everyday.”
Paula Rothenberg

While my daughter was signing up for classes in high school my 18 year-old son was with me. Girls walke by the sign up desk dressed like hookers. The women who worked at the health club, married to a doctor, liked to dress in pants so tight you could see her labia at the club and at the high school desk, handing out info, next to the sexual harassment info (for boys mostly) she had a low tank top on with most of her cleavage showing and a name tag stuck between her tits.

For feminists this display by women plays into the male fantasy and patriachial exploitation of women sexually because most feminist have been too stupid to even try to see it from a point of view of SOME men. Not all men think getting to see women dressed like sluts is cool. For some men that’s the closest they get to having sex. For other men who rarely get an attractive women it’s a loss, something to see and then denied. For some of us who are attractive to women, and lucky with women, we see it as a power game … Dressing sexy to make men want them so, like the commercial for a perfume, “the scent says yes but you can always say no” … Almost all comments by feminist women about sex show a total ignorance that men have more than one reaction to such sexual displays by women … or that women are just doing such things to “please men” … believe me, most men don’t think women are busting their asses to please them… if anything the sexy little bitches want men to bring presents and take them to dinner and tell them how “hot” they are … and then if he gets “lucky” he can share what was displayed.

Just remember, most of these young girls are being raised without a Dad around to counter-balance their impulses. Most are being raised illegitimately or are the victims of a divorce.

80% of divorces are filed by women.
90% of child custody is awarded to women.
37% of all US births are out of wedlock – and whose decision is entirely that of the woman.
40% of women will lie about using birth control to become pregnant.

This data does not paint a pretty picture.

Another dumb cunt who knows about as much about how and why men think and act as my ex-wife.

Of course what should be pointed out here is that now they say having the choice to wear whatever you want is not freedom. NO! Instead you must wear what we tell you! This must be done to overthrow the patriarchy! Seems like they want all women to tote their line.

Just like those women who stare daggers at you when they see you checking them out.

Well, gents, so far a very fine analysis.

Reconsider this essential line from the article — (and really read the whole thang… it’s a treatise on what your feminist mother is feeling, if you are under 45 years of age…) –

“But first we need to create a world in which women are genuinely free to choose.”

How many genuinely FREE MEN have you met?

All those rich, evil patriarchs?

You know, the bad boys who wake up every morning and the very first thing on their mind is — “How can I advance THE PATRIARCHY today?”

I only have heard of one.

His name is Hillary?

Please list names and addresses ….

Paula Rothenberg has clearly been taught well by her feminist peers but learned nothing about or from men and the world around her.

Her very first question is the typical ludicrousness one finds in most unthinking women: – “shouldn’t women be able to dress they way they want?”

Why do woman ask questions like this? It is a dumb question that ignores any appropriateness or context. Perhaps she should try walking through her home town dressed in a KKK sheet or a Nazi uniform and see if her ‘wants’ are accepted. Maybe she would applaud a 12 y/o girl going to school in the sort of fantasy undress she thinks men crave, just because she wants to. Would she wear jeans and a tank top to a Prom Ball, justs because she wants to or would she make some attempt to meet what is socially desirable or mandated?

“Girls and women now believe that they show how liberated they are by dressing like the ultimate male sex fantasy.”

No thought crosses her small, biased mind, that it may be a female sex fantasy to dress that way. Women do have internal sex lives and display their unconscious in their behaviour. They just won’t admit it. Most women’s clothes are designed either by women or by gay men. If they didn’t want to wear them, they wouldn’t, shirley.

Once again, by putting the ‘blame’ on men and ‘the Patriarchy’ she tells women that they are too thick to think for themselves and too immature to take responsibility for themselves and their own choices. Maybe she has a point.

when men listen to the call of the siren, they smash their ships unto the rocks, and all the men on board perish….

On the topic of dressing appropriately, I keep wondering why all of us guys here at work have a strict button-up shirt + tie policy, while the women can wear anything they desire. They come to work practically barefoot, wearing a sweatshirt, while I get chastised for removing my tie before doing some heavy lifting. A little off-topic, but it’s been bugging me for a long time.

Women are too thick to think for themselves and too immature to take responsibility for themselves and their own choices.

That is Paula Rothenberg’s Position otherwise she would not have written her article excoriating young women for dressing like they do.

For some reason she believes that the Capitalist Patriarchy stands in a Single Woman’s bedroom at the closet (or at the Store) and directs her selection of clothing, which is designed by Women and Faggots, and makes her wear clothes that she does not want to wear. (She wrote it and it is a ridiculous suggestion.)

In 14 years of marriage I could never get my ex to wear clothes she did not want to wear, this Capitalistic Patriarchy is some omnipotent force that was not around between 1988 and 2002, at least not around me.

So Women and Faggots are already telling a woman how to dress…and they are the Patriarchy guiding her hand in the closet and the store?

Women are completely powerless to shop at a Classic Clothing store like Talbots? Their feet are completely ineffective.

Oh I get it, Paula is saying that since Men own the Clothing industry financing the Women and Faggot designers, that focus group market studies be damned, Men are still economically controlling what women want to wear.

So Paula’s real enemy are the Women and Faggot designers that have been co-opted by the Monied Patriarchy. But if you get rid of them then others will just take their place because the pay is so good.

So what Paula is really saying is that no man should have any financial control or input into the woemn’s clothing industry, so that the evil Capitalist Patriarchy is not present in the stores and closets of women.

Then and only then will she have what she wants: Her solution – ‘you must wear what we tell you! This must be done to overthrow the patriarchy’ (great one mirwalk!).

Paula is at WAR with the innate desire of Women to be noticed, looked at, seen as beautiful, thus competing with other women for the attention of Men. The first step in the Mating process.

Paula is at WAR with the root motivator sequence of the Feminine Mind. (LOL at her)

Paula is at WAR against that thought process that makes women draw Men to them. (still LOL at her)

Paula thinks women can be happy being at WAR with their primal innate desire to attract Men. (LOL losing my breath)

Paula does not realize that women have been competing for so long as to who is getting more attention and attracting mmore men that they know when another woman is beautiful, and thus that standard is used by women who love women to attract OTHER WOMEN! (OH my! this has to stop!)

Paula is aghast that her moral reletivistic value system has allowed the Attraction Wars of Females to stoop to the gutter where now every female has to dress like she is paid for it, in order to get a guys attention.

Paula and her Marxist ilk will not be happy about the way women dress until all are wearing Grey Gulag Issue trousers and Work Shirts (Like the Obama/Apple Commercial) and none are attracted to even each other in the least. (LOL maniacially)

That is the Choice Paula wants to give the Ladies.

Her moral reletivism is undermining her own goals! How Delicious!

This is a wonderful peice, it proves nakedly that the Feminists of today still adhere to Marxist Materialism for Paula names the enemy as Capitalist Patriarchy. A DELICIOUS ADMISSION of the true nature of the Marxist Materialist, and the fact that all along they have known that ‘Women are too thick to think for themselves and too immature to take responsibility for themselves and their own choices’ which is why the Marxists targeted Women and cow towed them with ther rehtoric and siren songs of empowerment, when all the while women gave control of their lives and culture to other women who want to alienate them from MEN-REAL Men.

“Women do have internal sex lives and display their unconscious in their behaviour. They just won’t admit it.” – Amfortas

And that is the beginning of their psychosis. It is only now being publicly extrapolated by the “look at me! Look at me! -You pervert! Didn’t your mother teach you it is wrong to stare and oggle!” in massive numbers now, because every little girl has a choice, shop Talbots or “el prostituto” at the trendy shops and Department stores.

More psychosis – Your the Vitcim! But you have all the power in Family and PFA Courts that can make men miserable wherever they go and they cannot leave the country to leave their misery.

More psychosis – Women are not responsible for buying what they buy, wearing what they where, the market has cast them into this present ‘el prostituto” style despite the fact that there are still classic clothing stores still in existance.

Scott you are right, the song of a society of women (sirens) does dash men against the rocks and kill them. I think that this is where the Marxist Materialists like Paula Rothberg and the Frankfurt School got their idea.

My laughing may soon be drown out.

Paula shows that the Choice she gives women is A.) Degradation of Image to look as Throw away women which leads Men to treat them as throw away women and prove the Marxists Feminists Right to empower HER and her ilk, or B.) Gulag Uniforms.

Paula’s Choice for women is two forms of misery.

Is this peice evidence that the Degradation Phase of their plan is coming to an end, and the Gulag Phase is upon us all.

I am buying stock in Talbots and Brooks Brothers.

Here’s what the critics of stripper-chique always fail to recognize: the most porn- and hooker-permissive societies (in the general sense of those terms) are the most feminized societies. The most traditional patriarchal societies have none of this sort of thing, and don’t even let their women out in public except perhaps under special circumstances.

So their constant railing about “the patriarchy” is total faith-based nonsense.

And they will never grasp the point of this elementary observation.

“80% of divorces are filed by women.”
“90% of child custody is awarded to women.”
“37% of all US births are out of wedlock – and whose decision is entirely that of the woman.”
“40% of women will lie about using birth control to become pregnant.”

And some people still object about generalizations about American women.

The problem is far from being only the feminists.

very well stated MB.

the media elite who constructed this “womens matrix” all gathered under one tent a few weeks ago at a luncheon called the “womens matrix awards ceremony”…
These are the propaganda spin doctors….and its about time we take away their podium…
The main stream media outlets are all in this together, and the only recourse men have to challenge this leviathan is to support and build a comporeable media outlet..
support and build mensnewsdaily..we can within a few years, by recommending it to friends, and other reach out actions, build this into a major media player..
then our voices will be heard!!!!!!

The first thing to figure out is: Was it intentional or was it accidental. It seems that most want to claim its accidental. However, notice that only a few feminists are noticing this now, all the biggies have been blithely going on with it.

So either the biggies are oblivious, or its intentional and not their concern. I vote the latter since their part and parcel for living is not helping women, but helping socialism. In this raunch culture seems to be some puerile version of some bacchanalian utopia. One only needs to take some time and to put the points together to see what their idea of utopia is like, or what they are shooting for. (no productivity, ignorance is bliss child like existence, etc)

However, for those feminists who were not privy to the party meetings, I will explain the mechanics.

Humans are animals, and in animals sexual drives and selections come very strong. You know, insure the species, etc. well, one of the things that had to start happening at some point was that we started to suppress our sexuality, and start selecting on other things.

Intelligence is an abstract success invention, while physical ability and honed to a niche bodies, is more mechanical. Good looking horses run better than bad looking horses and it is so evident that most humans can tell that much. however, mind and intelligence, are a whole other story. In that looks mean less and outcomes mean more.

Sex as a selecter though, never went away. Culture, the success add on to basal instinctual man, and conveyor of operative wisdom (often with no explanations as to why), suppressed sex.

The reasons that the feminists give is to enslave women. To control their bodies, etc. however the real truth is something that a feminist just wouldn’t like, but a normal woman would find quite acceptable. (the kicker is that when its explained, you can see that it solves many of the problems that feminists have sought to solve)

Sex is an overwhelming selector. If ya got it, boy do you get it. it has intrinsic value in and of itself, and it greases the slides of life. However, its part of the instinctual world, and as such, its mindless. so what happens is that if we are left to ourselves without a culture that is set to us, we start using sex as our selector. And sex doesn’t care about desease, or if they are good people, or if they are bums, gadflys, or any number of riff raff male or female.

Societies that grew to higher levels pushed sex back to places “where it belonged”, where it could be enjoyed, and persons would not suffer it, which is why it then became raised to a pinnicle of consummation. Because properly used it’s a great pleasure that is pure – meaning that its proper use doesn’t taint or damage the user.

Anyway, our old culture pushed sex back to secondary status. Again as I mentioned women thought this was to repress women, but no. it was to repress sex as an overwhelming selector, and replace it with what? Well for many cultures it was often pseudo economic. However in the modern era where feminism raised it hydra head, better human qualities chased after better human qualities. for much of mankind though, that’s been the game among elite types and those concerned with proper pairings.

With sex pushed back one now had to shine in other ways. those girls who had a huge advantage in looks, still had an advantage, but a girl not as good looking also had a lot more to offer too. This is ultimately what got women educated and into the world, not feminism. Without being able to compete openly in sexual ways, they developed other more expansive interests, and became more interesting people, as did the men.

When the socialist revolution came along and youth culture did its thing and the lid was taken off, the feminists who knew what would happen (leaders) didn’t care, and those that would care, couldn’t see through their ideology what would happen.

As people stopped thinking that sex under other auspices was bad, it started to spread outward. It starts in the school, where one girl with more permissive parents (or uncaring), wears something a bit more racy… and the guys are interested… in the game of life she just got kicked up a notch. She eats up their time, they aren’t on some other girls clock. You can see this progression from the high heels that were acceptable, bust lines, and more. the clearest recent one was tattoos and body peircings… everyone has them because in the beginning it was mostly the sex freaks (which is what most of it is for), and for tattoos it varied, but it definitely wasn’t the slide rule class. As the bad girls were sweeping up the attention, other girls noticed.

Once this process started it became a race to the bottom. Prior to that, people looked at each others qualities to some extent, and it was so natural to us that we thought, and still think, that they are inherent.

So we raced to the bottom. The latest in that process is fetish wear. However at some poiont perversions run out of distance. Which is what the joke the aristocrats is about. While there are people that can tell it with lots of repulsive things in it, what you might find most interesting is that trying to tell it, one is hard plussed to come up with super perversions. While people go for classically offensive points, the context is so absurd as to show you something very insightful if you pick it up. That perversions are a dead end.

Sex unleashed (or state controlled) doesn’t work. it’s a perversion, a race to the bottom as thinking beings try to argument their selection points to get a boost (and in the end, end up with some genetic material that would normally be out of their league).

Short of real sadism, our perversions don’t have anywhere to go. Weird clothing, or settings, embellishments… costumes… accents… but all in all, there really isn’t much there to work with.

So by keeping it chained up you not only got the benefit of knowing people and such, but you also had people more developed in who they were. And sex was hotter than it can be today, because in its rightful place, it was naughty and decadent and truly harmless.

Today.. its not naughty… decadence comes off as glitz… and its very harmful..

Because it’s an overwhelming selector, no one cares to develop themselves, and adorno’s primitive music rules more.

There isn’t much lower we can go… and at that point there is only misery… and inability to be fulfilled…

Stunningly perfect artfuldodger!

Dovetails to my point that the next step is in fact Gulag Uniforms, because unfulfillment will be blithely accepted, since nobody knows how to actually be an improved or interesting person. (Except maybe me, as my Lady finds me facinating to listen to as I read her Amfortas’ post above and my posting as well, and she does say I am also eye candy to her.)

The goal of Feminism is to kill Feminity. To destroy the difference of Women to men. To destroy the Feminine desire for Men. To destroy women with misery being unfulfilled without men.

This is why they work so hard to promote life without Men.

The El Prostituto standard is a two edged sword. It works very well for the Feminists destruction of a Woman’s self-worth and over all value, it also keeps men interested in women.

Overall, it is their weapon of misery, and the Gulag Uniforms are next.

Thanks thurston!

“The goal of Feminism is to kill Feminity. To destroy the difference of Women to men. To destroy the Feminine desire for Men. To destroy women with misery being unfulfilled without men.”

let me correct that for you

“The STATED goal of Feminism is to kill Feminity. THE PRESUMPTION IS THEN To destroy the difference of Women to men…”

the other stated goals dovetail much better with their actual actions. socialist rule in a feminist communist state. those things you talk about are the means, not the goal. in order to have marxist equivalent and interchangeable work units and group human resources, this procrustean trimming of individualism to make this possible.

they are useful idiots who have beenfighting the fight so long that they no longer know what they are fighting for.

what most dont get is that there is a scissors operation going here. the idea is to PERMANENTLY divide something that was whole, because in that division power can be mined.

so, those who are in on the game, in politics, and in papers and such, have endeavored to “hold down one side”, till an opposition was established and dug into the point where they are no longer radical, but the norm. THEN you let go of the side being held down (which is what your seeing), and the OTHER side forms…. this oppositional side creates a permanent schism. because both these opposition parties, divided from a whole, survive and grow by maintaining that opposition. they each become each others reason for being. the feminists acting like there is a patriarchy naturally end up creating that force they way THEY see it rather than the figment that it is. the people tend to fill this negative space that they create.

so the mens movement will soon take more and more hold…

from there, how do we ever get back to families again?

you dont… technically after 40 years of this, we are so weak that a sufficient pressure will cause us to give up to whoever is applying it.

while we fight on the lawn the house is burning.

Artfuldodger! Again Excellent work on the divide and conquer scenario that is being played out with the use of Feminists as “useful tools and women as “useful idiots” of the Marxists.

Women were sold the lie of the VICTIM to be agitated to tear their own house down (a scenario of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes), much like those taken in by repressed memory syndrome tore their own lives apart.

I absolutely APPLAUD your subtle warning of the manipulation of Cause (Feminism) Affecting (a REAL PATRIARCHY) backlash which then makes their position real for the first time. Ever!

Thank HaShem that we have Millions of Court records documenting the abuse of Men to the point that the Daughters of this Nation are accepting the fact of the evil of the Courts. There are some Righteous and Right minded of them, and they are looking for leaders and purpose in this mad world of the Marxist Materialists. They like many of us have much to learn.

This does indeed dovetail into my point that all is going to their plan for there are no fathers, or no fathers who will be a voice of Patriarchy to say “NO DAUGHTER OF MINE IS GOING OUT INTO THE STREET DRESSED LIKE A WHORE!”

See, any comment at all would have made the imagined Patriarchy REAL, whether it was a voice of moral imperative, or the father completely capitulated enabling the behavior of the daughter dressing his little girl himself sending her to school…there was simply no way to win against their tactics…except if the Mother spoke up and held the moral line with the father.

Societal and Family Law having a foundation in Torah reveals that the Mother had responsibility for the child to the age of 13, so if Mothers do not hold a Moral line (just as now) the battle is over the child is lost, proper parenting not taught, the heartache of young adult life will make them overcompensate in strictness toward their children if they learn moral lessons the hard way, and they will raise a Norman Bates.

Another natural fact that Made Women the target of the Marxists.

This is where we are now, as the Men here complain about the diseased Women they married because they were not taught that they were born into a materialist Marxists Nation with Materialist Marxists Churches infested with little Norma Bates’ to be married to.

Elder George is one strong voice for the reprise of the Patriarchy to create the opportunity for family again, that it will not be 50/50 consensus building with duplicitous women, that it will be Man giving 100% and being Authority and Woman giving 100% to the Man she trusts 100%, or she can stand on the street corner with the Whores.

Your point begs great consideration that the rise of the REAL Patriarchy will be the reality that the Marxists Materialist constructed.

If such Patriarchs avoid the pitfalls and siren songs of the Materialistic World that the Marxists have created as the trap, they can build their house quietly as the Prey of the Marxists Materialists squabble on the lawn while the Marxists loot the house and burn it to the ground.

If the voice of Patriarchs like Mr. Rudov, Sacks, and others is simple and logical revealing the diseased thought of the Feminists they will not be able to draw the Patriarchy in the light that they want. They will scream and cry do not go to that website, do not listen to those people, do not hear them, HEAR US, HEAR US, HEAR US!

But their misery will make many Hearts yearn, knowing that there has to be something real for them, they will stumble upon us while we confidently engage on the Net.

Only if we can contain our emotions and reactions and respond with spokespeople who are fast to reason and calm in presentation (NOTE: Many commentors here are awesome in their research, wit, and perspective shifting logic, but few will have this talent, including me) can their plan to draw the rising Patriarchy as senseless and self-serving become a failure and deny them validity and legitimacy in the free market place of ideas.

For now places like MND is a free marketplace of ideas, and we are sorting through much of what it contrived to distract us, like Murphy’s Law of Combat: the Diversion to the Flank is always the Main Force Assault. Thus reveals the way women dress = the way they think of themselves = their high rates of depression, is the Main assault…eliminate their innate desire to procreate and have family; destroy her; and there will be no children (Revelation the Dragon attempting to consume the Woman in the travail of Birth).

Certainly, a message of a TRUE Patriarchy is one delivered with Confidence, Facts, Scientific and Statistical points that counter and expose the False Science and Diseased logic of the Marxist Materialists. It is delivered by few, while the rest quietly Teach and Build.

Our message, “the contrived Patriarchy the Feminists caused women to Rail against was Just Moral Order of a Society. Women of the West have reaped the Whirlwind of being epidemically Depressed, and have allowed a Legal system to grow which imprisons their Men and denies their Children their Fathers. Looks around you, the results are clear, is this a great Society the Marxists Materialists that the Feminists represent have built? Who is the repressor now? Who are the oppressed? Are you really any more free now beyond your Right to individually pursue Materialism?”

This will eliminate a mass squabbling on the lawn, the division that the Enemy seeks, as you say.

REAL Men have no time to waste with Diseased Women to squabble with them. Our speakers need to Evangelize our Paradigm which gives Women the Choice of their Hearts to be Women, and exposes the machinations of their False Leaders who dream of Gulag Androgyny for the Hearts of Women, for WE MEN have awakened, and WE WILL BE PRISONERS NO MORE.

For REAL Men, freedom is non-negotiable.

Marxist Materialistic Women have tried to destroy us, and have damaged us. They awakened us to the Matrix. They did us a favor, we are now free for the first time, we see for the first time.

We will rebuild Society. We do not need the Feminists. We need not negotiate with the Feminists. We will rebuild on our own terms to avoid the Power and Control of the Matrix. We will prevail because our thought and reason, logic, and spirituality will not be as our opponents stagnant lies and disease.

We are rebuilding giving the TRUE Heart of Woman a place to flourish in actual Freedom and Fulfillment.

Materialistic Women and Politicians need not apply.

roadkill1965 wrote: On the topic of dressing appropriately, I keep wondering why all of us guys here at work have a strict button-up shirt + tie policy, while the women can wear anything they desire. They come to work practically barefoot, wearing a sweatshirt, while I get chastised for removing my tie before doing some heavy lifting. A little off-topic, but it’s been bugging me for a long time.

Have you reviewed your company’s dress code? Most of them have strict dress codes for both men and women and if you’re stuck wearing a tie (which is not the norm for most white collar workplaces) then certainly the women are expected to wear dress clothing as well. Formal dress clothing for women tends to be as fragile as men’s dress shirts and ties.

scottkirk — “when men listen to the call of the siren, they smash their ships unto the rocks, and all the men on board perish….”

Well, perhaps not so many posters know the “Song of the Siren” by Robert Plant.

Did you perhaps attend the July 9, 2005 performance of Mr. Plant and the Strange Sensation — Chicago — Auditorium Theatre?

You might have witnessed my two daughters “dancing their asses off” (their quote, not mine) in the right private balcony box, level one?

I had to fight off offers for “private parties” just getting down the stairs.

It occured to me afterwards that these crackhead dudes thought I was their pimp — rather than their dad.

Gives one pause….

Anyway, nice allusion.

Errrr, classic rock music reference.

PS -

I prefer always to connect THEORY with PRACTICE.

What you observe is an essential loop back into your self-referential thinking.

Assuming….

????

That we all can still L-E-A-R-N?

As men?

In some kind of coherent still-just-infant political movement?

I am looking for nothing less than (spell it please) —

R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N.

A quiet, subtle, politically stealth one — to destroy feminism while it sleeps in its dreams of success….

The sun rising….

dad with2girls… the greeks had an epic story about the island of the female siren…from whence we get the word siren as an alarm..
the story goes that men sailing their ships would lose their way and come across an island of women..and the women would cry for help (call of the siren) from this island, and the men that answered their cry for help would smash their ships onto the rocks and all the men would perish…
the saying goes only the men who would be deaf to the cries for help from the wailing sirens, could safelly navigate their ships past the jagged rocks ..

its basically whats going on now with the blinding women-as-victim rhetoric that we see and hear about everywhere…