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	<title>Comments on: Lizzie Borden and the Feminist Frogwash</title>
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		<title>By: Artfldgr</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/09/lizzie-borden-and-the-feminist-frogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-40257</link>
		<dc:creator>Artfldgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 16:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To David,
 I also dont find it unreasonable to call them a terrorist enterprise, nor would i also find it difficult to call them a cult as well (and both those monikers they held in the past).  one only needs to look at the works of Rote Zora and the bombs they planted in the name of feminism, as well as other groups to know its early terrorist start.  after all, terrorism has a long and distinguished history of putting people on the political palette that would be ignored.  Sein Fein has what position today?  but they used bombs in the past....  Feminism has what position today, but they too used bombs in the past (and moved to psych warfare weakening the US on behalf of future communist masters who promised them lots of things - though historically have yet to deliver on all of them). and the PLO... they used bombs, and now they can come to the table, without bombs.  the list goes on and on and on...   

feminism is just one part of the STATED plan of the old commitern...  the fact that we are entereing a bad economic area, with open boarders, reduced population steeped in nihilism and self defeat, and more and more, means what on the compettitive world front?     just because we called peace doesnt mean that they called peace at all, and with recent works like &quot;unrestricted warfare&quot;, they are doing what these groups have always done... bragged as to what they will do, and then do it...  hitler with mein kampf, gramscies nine books and its slow walk through the culture... even the feminists said it. 
 
&quot;Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.&quot; - Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10 

  &quot;A world where men and women would be equal is easy to visualize, for that precisely is what the Soviet Revolution promised.&quot; - Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex (New York, Random House, 1952), p.806 

we didnt believe hitler, and his backers... and what happened? 
we didnt believe golitsyn and sejna and others and what is happening?
we didnt take gramsci and his state side followers, and what is happening?
we didnt take the roots of feminism in the communist state, and what have we created (a large socialist state akin to the one that caused the soviet union to CONTRACT - not fall)

â€œOverthrowing capitalism is too small for us. We must overthrow the whole... patriarchy.â€ -- Gloria Steinem

&quot;Women are the creatures of an organized tyranny of men, as the workers are the creatures of an organized tyranny of idlers.&quot; -- Eleanor Marx, The Woman Question

&quot;The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to Socialism.&quot; -- Karl Marx

&quot;The first class opposition that appears in history coincides with the development of the antagonism between man and woman in monogamous marriage, and the first class oppression coincides with that of the female sex by the male.&quot; -- Frederick Engels, The Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State (New York, International Publishers, 1942), p.58 


http://www.buzzle.com/articles/133814.html
Her code name was Lea, and in her 30s she abandoned the safety of her teaching job to take up the fight of oppressed women of the world through a systematic bombing campaign focused on an array of patriarchal targets from sex shops to sweat shops. 

But after almost 20 years on the run, Adrienne GershÃ¤user admitted in court yesterday to her involvement in a 10-year assault by the militant feminist group Rote Zora. 

One of the last remaining members of the leftwing group, GershÃ¤user yesterday told the Berlin court in a statement read by her lawyer that she had &quot;wittingly and willingly&quot; taken part in the bombing of a bio-technology institute and a clothing factory. An offshoot of the Revolutionary Cells, which formed in Frankfurt am Main in the early 70s, Rote Zora unleashed a wave of bomb attacks across Germany, focusing on sex shops, embassies and clothing factories which the group considered responsible for female oppression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To David,<br />
 I also dont find it unreasonable to call them a terrorist enterprise, nor would i also find it difficult to call them a cult as well (and both those monikers they held in the past).  one only needs to look at the works of Rote Zora and the bombs they planted in the name of feminism, as well as other groups to know its early terrorist start.  after all, terrorism has a long and distinguished history of putting people on the political palette that would be ignored.  Sein Fein has what position today?  but they used bombs in the past&#8230;.  Feminism has what position today, but they too used bombs in the past (and moved to psych warfare weakening the US on behalf of future communist masters who promised them lots of things &#8211; though historically have yet to deliver on all of them). and the PLO&#8230; they used bombs, and now they can come to the table, without bombs.  the list goes on and on and on&#8230;   </p>
<p>feminism is just one part of the STATED plan of the old commitern&#8230;  the fact that we are entereing a bad economic area, with open boarders, reduced population steeped in nihilism and self defeat, and more and more, means what on the compettitive world front?     just because we called peace doesnt mean that they called peace at all, and with recent works like &#8220;unrestricted warfare&#8221;, they are doing what these groups have always done&#8230; bragged as to what they will do, and then do it&#8230;  hitler with mein kampf, gramscies nine books and its slow walk through the culture&#8230; even the feminists said it. </p>
<p>&#8220;Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.&#8221; &#8211; Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10 </p>
<p>  &#8220;A world where men and women would be equal is easy to visualize, for that precisely is what the Soviet Revolution promised.&#8221; &#8211; Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex (New York, Random House, 1952), p.806 </p>
<p>we didnt believe hitler, and his backers&#8230; and what happened?<br />
we didnt believe golitsyn and sejna and others and what is happening?<br />
we didnt take gramsci and his state side followers, and what is happening?<br />
we didnt take the roots of feminism in the communist state, and what have we created (a large socialist state akin to the one that caused the soviet union to CONTRACT &#8211; not fall)</p>
<p>â€œOverthrowing capitalism is too small for us. We must overthrow the whole&#8230; patriarchy.â€ &#8212; Gloria Steinem</p>
<p>&#8220;Women are the creatures of an organized tyranny of men, as the workers are the creatures of an organized tyranny of idlers.&#8221; &#8212; Eleanor Marx, The Woman Question</p>
<p>&#8220;The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to Socialism.&#8221; &#8212; Karl Marx</p>
<p>&#8220;The first class opposition that appears in history coincides with the development of the antagonism between man and woman in monogamous marriage, and the first class oppression coincides with that of the female sex by the male.&#8221; &#8212; Frederick Engels, The Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State (New York, International Publishers, 1942), p.58 </p>
<p><a href="http://www.buzzle.com/articles/133814.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.buzzle.com/articles/133814.html</a><br />
Her code name was Lea, and in her 30s she abandoned the safety of her teaching job to take up the fight of oppressed women of the world through a systematic bombing campaign focused on an array of patriarchal targets from sex shops to sweat shops. </p>
<p>But after almost 20 years on the run, Adrienne GershÃ¤user admitted in court yesterday to her involvement in a 10-year assault by the militant feminist group Rote Zora. </p>
<p>One of the last remaining members of the leftwing group, GershÃ¤user yesterday told the Berlin court in a statement read by her lawyer that she had &#8220;wittingly and willingly&#8221; taken part in the bombing of a bio-technology institute and a clothing factory. An offshoot of the Revolutionary Cells, which formed in Frankfurt am Main in the early 70s, Rote Zora unleashed a wave of bomb attacks across Germany, focusing on sex shops, embassies and clothing factories which the group considered responsible for female oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Usher</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/09/lizzie-borden-and-the-feminist-frogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-40223</link>
		<dc:creator>David R. Usher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 13:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feminism has become the polar opposite of Al Qaeda.  The only differences between the two:

1. What you hate,
2. The sex you desire to dominate by hook or crook
3. Who you kill 
4. One is politically correct here, the other politically correct there.

I do not believe it is unreasonable to call feminism a terrorist enterprise (not that we need to inflate that word more than it already has been).   Certainly, you don&#039;t see feminists waving machine guns and IEDs.  But feminists use other tools that are equally powerful at achieving their goals.  We do have blood in our streets (school shootings, etc).  Like the war on terrorism, its a distributed war -- difficult to see the aggressor until its too late, and nothing you can do once you have been nailed.   This is the longest-running war in American history -- a civil war supported by federal government.  This must be stopped.  The American experiment will be in grave danger if we fail to point this out and bring about a healing.

&quot;Frogwash&quot; is a hilarious descriptor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminism has become the polar opposite of Al Qaeda.  The only differences between the two:</p>
<p>1. What you hate,<br />
2. The sex you desire to dominate by hook or crook<br />
3. Who you kill<br />
4. One is politically correct here, the other politically correct there.</p>
<p>I do not believe it is unreasonable to call feminism a terrorist enterprise (not that we need to inflate that word more than it already has been).   Certainly, you don&#8217;t see feminists waving machine guns and IEDs.  But feminists use other tools that are equally powerful at achieving their goals.  We do have blood in our streets (school shootings, etc).  Like the war on terrorism, its a distributed war &#8212; difficult to see the aggressor until its too late, and nothing you can do once you have been nailed.   This is the longest-running war in American history &#8212; a civil war supported by federal government.  This must be stopped.  The American experiment will be in grave danger if we fail to point this out and bring about a healing.</p>
<p>&#8220;Frogwash&#8221; is a hilarious descriptor.</p>
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		<title>By: christianj</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/09/lizzie-borden-and-the-feminist-frogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-40205</link>
		<dc:creator>christianj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 07:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s example that they can use in &quot;wimmins studies&quot;...

Jane Toppan,

Birth Information:

location: Massachusetts

birth name: Nora Kelly

Active Period: 1880-1901 (ages 26-47)

Victim Information: Confessed to 31 murders. It is believed that she murdered between 70 and 100 individuals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Toppan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s example that they can use in &#8220;wimmins studies&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Jane Toppan,</p>
<p>Birth Information:</p>
<p>location: Massachusetts</p>
<p>birth name: Nora Kelly</p>
<p>Active Period: 1880-1901 (ages 26-47)</p>
<p>Victim Information: Confessed to 31 murders. It is believed that she murdered between 70 and 100 individuals</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Toppan" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Toppan</a></p>
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		<title>By: steven deluca</title>
		<link>http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/09/lizzie-borden-and-the-feminist-frogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-40171</link>
		<dc:creator>steven deluca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise,

Great work.  In a paragraph or two you make the obvious points that should be made for clarity and the truth, and you implicate femnist in their &quot;conspiracy&quot; theories where women are always seen as being slaves of men.  

What I have noted about female criminals is the tendency for many people to ask &quot;why would a woman do that&quot; (and then to find a man in the background to blame - you know, behind every successful man is a good woman and behind ever bad women is a man successfully abusing her) When men commit crimes no one asks why, it&#039;s just assumed that a certain percentage of men are just bad men, while other men are only a step away from &quot;going off&quot; ....

Even when women are found to be serial murderers you find journalist writing that they are &quot;the first known case&quot; of a female serial killer. Don&#039;t they know how to do research, or is their agenda so fixed that they are incapable of thinking?

Thanks again for trying to help others see that we - men and women - are not that different when it comes to doing what is good or right or when doing what is bad or wrong.  Some feminist point out statistically men commit more crimes so blame testosterone and then they melt down when you point out that inner city black women have crime rates similar to white men.  They don&#039;t mind being sexist by claiming high crime rates by men are because of the y chromosome ... but they would panic about being seen as racist toward a &quot;sister&quot; ...  For black female crimes they discuss racial issues, gender issues, and poverty, ... for &quot;bad men&quot; it&#039;s patriarchy and male values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise,</p>
<p>Great work.  In a paragraph or two you make the obvious points that should be made for clarity and the truth, and you implicate femnist in their &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; theories where women are always seen as being slaves of men.  </p>
<p>What I have noted about female criminals is the tendency for many people to ask &#8220;why would a woman do that&#8221; (and then to find a man in the background to blame &#8211; you know, behind every successful man is a good woman and behind ever bad women is a man successfully abusing her) When men commit crimes no one asks why, it&#8217;s just assumed that a certain percentage of men are just bad men, while other men are only a step away from &#8220;going off&#8221; &#8230;.</p>
<p>Even when women are found to be serial murderers you find journalist writing that they are &#8220;the first known case&#8221; of a female serial killer. Don&#8217;t they know how to do research, or is their agenda so fixed that they are incapable of thinking?</p>
<p>Thanks again for trying to help others see that we &#8211; men and women &#8211; are not that different when it comes to doing what is good or right or when doing what is bad or wrong.  Some feminist point out statistically men commit more crimes so blame testosterone and then they melt down when you point out that inner city black women have crime rates similar to white men.  They don&#8217;t mind being sexist by claiming high crime rates by men are because of the y chromosome &#8230; but they would panic about being seen as racist toward a &#8220;sister&#8221; &#8230;  For black female crimes they discuss racial issues, gender issues, and poverty, &#8230; for &#8220;bad men&#8221; it&#8217;s patriarchy and male values.</p>
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		<title>By: DcFather</title>
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		<dc:creator>DcFather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 12:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like Charles and Louise Samuels were ahead of the pack in modern feminist theory, i.e. if a man kills a woman it&#039;s because he is a patriarchal oppressor, whether he did it or not, and if a woman kills a man it&#039;s because he is a patriarchal oppressor, whether she did it or not, and no facts or evidence can prove otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me like Charles and Louise Samuels were ahead of the pack in modern feminist theory, i.e. if a man kills a woman it&#8217;s because he is a patriarchal oppressor, whether he did it or not, and if a woman kills a man it&#8217;s because he is a patriarchal oppressor, whether she did it or not, and no facts or evidence can prove otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: amfortas</title>
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		<dc:creator>amfortas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 12:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good refutations there, Denise. What the Samuels&#039; quotes show is that it is just so easy to spin mendacities; just so easy to have people see women as always the victim, fighting for rights denied them, even when it is a patently ridiculous assertion. Nice analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good refutations there, Denise. What the Samuels&#8217; quotes show is that it is just so easy to spin mendacities; just so easy to have people see women as always the victim, fighting for rights denied them, even when it is a patently ridiculous assertion. Nice analysis.</p>
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