Comments on: The Fatherhood Movement, Professionalism and Progress http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/ Men's Rights Activism, MRA Politics, Analysis, Commentary and Global News Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:36:56 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Menck http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41263 Menck Sat, 19 May 2007 15:35:04 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41263 MoreMoore said, "ever notice how the moment anybody in the mens movement becomes successful, wls goes ballistic?" MoreMoore, haven't you figured out yet that wls1 is really a comedian? Or, at least, clinically insane? MoreMoore said, “ever notice how the moment anybody in the mens movement becomes successful, wls goes ballistic?”

MoreMoore, haven’t you figured out yet that wls1 is really a comedian? Or, at least, clinically insane?

]]> By: bharati http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41258 bharati Sat, 19 May 2007 15:03:22 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41258 Its big debate going on . One of the reasons is that if you are to compare with the womens organisations they take money from the coroporates and money collected from agencies like United Nations they never collected money from the victims. Most of activists want to have it in the same way . however it not necessary that te model has to be replicated in the mens movement It is upto victims here to lobby . Currently the support from the society fro equality of men is minimal . so it is left to the victims themselves to invest for the better of the society the Rich people like Alec Balwin , Paul Mccartney will come to aid if they can see it to be powerfull. Untill that is left to the victims to speak and pool their money and build the momentum . Fathers 4 justice is a sample of what can be achieved . They achieved a lot visibility , a small change in mindset . Victims have to invest money , heart and reputation. Merely hidng and hopign that somehow you will be an exception to get justice will lead nowhere Its big debate going on . One of the reasons is that if you are to compare with the womens organisations they take money from the coroporates and money collected from agencies like United Nations they never collected money from the victims.

Most of activists want to have it in the same way .

however it not necessary that te model has to be replicated in the mens movement

It is upto victims here to lobby . Currently the support from the society fro equality of men is minimal . so it is left to the victims themselves to invest for the better of the society the Rich people like Alec Balwin , Paul Mccartney will come to aid if they can see it to be powerfull. Untill that is left to the victims to speak and pool their money and build the momentum .

Fathers 4 justice is a sample of what can be achieved . They achieved a lot visibility , a small change in mindset .

Victims have to invest money , heart and reputation. Merely hidng and hopign that somehow you will be an exception to get justice will lead nowhere

]]> By: Capitol Insider Policy Wonk http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41228 Capitol Insider Policy Wonk Sat, 19 May 2007 07:43:50 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41228 amfortas said, Welcome aboard, Policy Wonk. We need some advice here! And have a good look at MediaRadar. Thank you. I have seen MediaRadar. Like I said in my earlier comment I’ve done allot of Google searches. You have done some excellent work and produced allot of very good material that is useful. With no disrespect, and I do appreciate the work you have done, but my money is on Michael and CAFC. Their track record over a very short period of time in the last several years is damn impressive. He is very well connected, members like working with him because he knows how to get the job done without causing harm to a member who is also carry other bills on other issues. They have serious momentum going and great working relationships with allot of professionals that are very helpful. As for advice – people in CA and elsewhere would be well served by getting as much money as they can to Sacramento and CAFC so they can hire more staff. I thought I worked insane hours. Speaking of insane hours, its late and I’ve been up working on last minute veto letters that have to be in by Tuesday. I’m finally done so its time to hit the sack. And the public thinks we work 9 to 5, Haha. Again, thank you and good luck in fundraising efforts. amfortas said,
Welcome aboard, Policy Wonk. We need some advice here! And have a good look at MediaRadar.
Thank you. I have seen MediaRadar. Like I said in my earlier comment I’ve done allot of Google searches. You have done some excellent work and produced allot of very good material that is useful.
With no disrespect, and I do appreciate the work you have done, but my money is on Michael and CAFC. Their track record over a very short period of time in the last several years is damn impressive. He is very well connected, members like working with him because he knows how to get the job done without causing harm to a member who is also carry other bills on other issues. They have serious momentum going and great working relationships with allot of professionals that are very helpful.
As for advice – people in CA and elsewhere would be well served by getting as much money as they can to Sacramento and CAFC so they can hire more staff. I thought I worked insane hours.
Speaking of insane hours, its late and I’ve been up working on last minute veto letters that have to be in by Tuesday. I’m finally done so its time to hit the sack. And the public thinks we work 9 to 5, Haha.
Again, thank you and good luck in fundraising efforts.

]]> By: amfortas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41227 amfortas Sat, 19 May 2007 07:30:44 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41227 C'mon Thurston. In-kind would help too. Can't you raffle da Bitch? C’mon Thurston. In-kind would help too. Can’t you raffle da Bitch?

]]> By: amfortas http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41224 amfortas Sat, 19 May 2007 06:51:43 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41224 I am not new to all this. I have been wiped out too. But I can still go without for a few weeks to pay a membership fee and give some support where I can. It is needed. Glenn is quite right. The fractured nature of our MRM is holding us back. We need money to pay for full or even part time, focused organisation, staffed by professionals - fund raisers, administrators, researchers, lobbyists, warriors, sign-writers, Public relations and computer whizzes, and no one is going to invest in us unless we get a few runs on the board. The members of women's groups cried poor and got grants EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE SUPPORTED BY A MEN. Even when their 'oppression' was fanciful. We ARE poor, having been wiped out ( I personally lost everything - and I mean Everything). Female oppression has forced most men to crisis point. But despite this crisis, men must find a way of pooling some of what small resources we have fund an international organisation. The F4J experience was magnificent. It was a start from scratch group that had a firm eye on the money ball. The criticism of that was so very typical. It is whinging troops. God help us, if wls1 and some others don't stop slagging David Usher and Glenn Sacks and others who actually get out there and DO something, I just might crawl down these wires and whack some heads together. And it isn't just an American issue. The international nature of the MRM seems to get lost in all the American experience discussed. Welcome aboard, Policy Wonk. We need some advice here! And have a good look at MediaRadar. I am not new to all this. I have been wiped out too. But I can still go without for a few weeks to pay a membership fee and give some support where I can.

It is needed. Glenn is quite right. The fractured nature of our MRM is holding us back. We need money to pay for full or even part time, focused organisation, staffed by professionals – fund raisers, administrators, researchers, lobbyists, warriors, sign-writers, Public relations and computer whizzes, and no one is going to invest in us unless we get a few runs on the board.

The members of women’s groups cried poor and got grants EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE SUPPORTED BY A MEN. Even when their ‘oppression’ was fanciful. We ARE poor, having been wiped out ( I personally lost everything – and I mean Everything). Female oppression has forced most men to crisis point.

But despite this crisis, men must find a way of pooling some of what small resources we have fund an international organisation.

The F4J experience was magnificent. It was a start from scratch group that had a firm eye on the money ball. The criticism of that was so very typical. It is whinging troops. God help us, if wls1 and some others don’t stop slagging David Usher and Glenn Sacks and others who actually get out there and DO something, I just might crawl down these wires and whack some heads together.

And it isn’t just an American issue. The international nature of the MRM seems to get lost in all the American experience discussed.

Welcome aboard, Policy Wonk. We need some advice here! And have a good look at MediaRadar.

]]> By: Capitol Insider Policy Wonk http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41223 Capitol Insider Policy Wonk Sat, 19 May 2007 06:47:31 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41223 thurston861 said, What Wallets!!!!!??????? The Courts in their inequity and in justice for matching federal funds have wiped most of us out!! How new are you to all this? If you read my comment it plainly states that I have been doing policy for 20 years. Policy is Policy and those who understand the dynamic’s of reforming bad policy or passing good policy understand that you have to amass a war chest. While there are certainly allot of affected stakeholders with money, like Alec Baldwin, who can and needs to be write checks, and are being negatively affected by inequities in family law, anyone who has worked election campaigns or fund raisers for lobbying efforts knows that 5 dollar donations add up real fast. It’s a numbers game. thurston861 said,

What Wallets!!!!!???????

The Courts in their inequity and in justice for matching federal funds have wiped most of us out!!

How new are you to all this?

If you read my comment it plainly states that I have been doing policy for 20 years. Policy is Policy and those who understand the dynamic’s of reforming bad policy or passing good policy understand that you have to amass a war chest.

While there are certainly allot of affected stakeholders with money, like Alec Baldwin, who can and needs to be write checks, and are being negatively affected by inequities in family law, anyone who has worked election campaigns or fund raisers for lobbying efforts knows that 5 dollar donations add up real fast. It’s a numbers game.

]]> By: thurston861 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41222 thurston861 Sat, 19 May 2007 06:25:16 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41222 What Wallets!!!!!??????? The Courts in their inequity and in justice for matching federal funds have wiped most of us out!! How new are you to all this? What Wallets!!!!!???????

The Courts in their inequity and in justice for matching federal funds have wiped most of us out!!

How new are you to all this?

]]> By: Capitol Insider Policy Wonk http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41220 Capitol Insider Policy Wonk Sat, 19 May 2007 05:58:59 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41220 I've only been around for a little over a year now. I've been a policy wonk and a capitol insider for about 20 years. After many Google searches looking at all the national groups and other efforts out there it appears the only real results are coming out of CAFC in Sacramento. I wished they were in my state and even though they are not I've sent them a donation recently. What they did with the military parents issue that they just got national attention on: AP national by Pauline Arrillaga - Deployed Troops battle for custody, is a perfect example of policy worked properly and affecting national reforms. Michael Robinson worked closely with one of our House members in Florida to help us get our military parents legislation passed. Michael and CAFC have done the same with other states that have also met with success. They have been working for a couple of years to get things going in congress and success is now hitting there also. The House just passed an amendment Wednesday that aims to prevent soldiers deployed to war from permanently losing custody of their children because of the absence. Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, offered the amendment after reading an Associated Press story: http://www.military.com:80/features/0,15240,136001,00.html I understand Michael has a Democrat in congress close to introducing other amendments that will correct some of the other problems in family law that are affecting our military and that some of the amendments will also help everyone, even civilians. California has a very powerful affect on getting things going and spreading nationally. The only thing limiting more success out of Sacramento is a lack of funding so they can hire more professional staff that has the years of experience and knowledge that is needed to play hard ball politics inside the hallways. For the life of me I cannot understand why people with California family law cases going on are not making sure CAFC is properly funded. You would think that Alec Baldwin would be writing big checks to them; after all he does have a California case doesn't he? Plus we would love to be able to use any success that CAFC has to help us here in Florida, It does help us. Do yourselves a favor and write the checks and speak with your wallets. It works. I’ve only been around for a little over a year now. I’ve been a policy wonk and a capitol insider for about 20 years. After many Google searches looking at all the national groups and other efforts out there it appears the only real results are coming out of CAFC in Sacramento. I wished they were in my state and even though they are not I’ve sent them a donation recently. What they did with the military parents issue that they just got national attention on: AP national by Pauline Arrillaga – Deployed Troops battle for custody, is a perfect example of policy worked properly and affecting national reforms.

Michael Robinson worked closely with one of our House members in Florida to help us get our military parents legislation passed. Michael and CAFC have done the same with other states that have also met with success. They have been working for a couple of years to get things going in congress and success is now hitting there also.

The House just passed an amendment Wednesday that aims to prevent soldiers deployed to war from permanently losing custody of their children because of the absence. Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, offered the amendment after reading an Associated Press story: http://www.military.com:80/features/0,15240,136001,00.html

I understand Michael has a Democrat in congress close to introducing other amendments that will correct some of the other problems in family law that are affecting our military and that some of the amendments will also help everyone, even civilians.

California has a very powerful affect on getting things going and spreading nationally. The only thing limiting more success out of Sacramento is a lack of funding so they can hire more professional staff that has the years of experience and knowledge that is needed to play hard ball politics inside the hallways.

For the life of me I cannot understand why people with California family law cases going on are not making sure CAFC is properly funded. You would think that Alec Baldwin would be writing big checks to them; after all he does have a California case doesn’t he?

Plus we would love to be able to use any success that CAFC has to help us here in Florida, It does help us.

Do yourselves a favor and write the checks and speak with your wallets. It works.

]]> By: MoreMoore http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41093 MoreMoore Fri, 18 May 2007 13:53:53 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41093 ever notice how the moment anybody in the mens movement becomes successful, wls goes ballistic? Usually its Sachs he's mad at, but now apparently Robinson, Usher, etc. are now leading us down the garden path, too. WE HATE IT WHEN OUR FRIENDS BECOME SUCCESSFUL We hate it when our friends become successful We hate it when our friends become successful Oh, look at those clothes Now look at that face, it's so old And such a video ! Well, it's really laughable Ha, ha, ha ... We hate it when our friends become successful And if they're Northern, that makes it even worse And if we can destroy them You bet your life we will Destroy them If we can hurt them Well, we may as well ... It's really laughable Ha, ha, ha ... You see, it should've been me It could've been me Everybody knows Everybody says so They say : "Ah, you have loads of songs So many songs More songs than they'd stand Verse Chorus Middle eight Break, fade Just listen ..." La, la-la, la-la ever notice how the moment anybody in the mens movement becomes successful, wls goes ballistic? Usually its Sachs he’s mad at, but now apparently Robinson, Usher, etc. are now leading us down the garden path, too.

WE HATE IT WHEN OUR FRIENDS BECOME SUCCESSFUL

We hate it when our friends become successful
We hate it when our friends become successful
Oh, look at those clothes
Now look at that face, it’s so old
And such a video !
Well, it’s really laughable
Ha, ha, ha …

We hate it when our friends become successful
And if they’re Northern, that makes it even worse
And if we can destroy them
You bet your life we will
Destroy them
If we can hurt them
Well, we may as well …
It’s really laughable
Ha, ha, ha …

You see, it should’ve been me
It could’ve been me
Everybody knows
Everybody says so
They say :

“Ah, you have loads of songs
So many songs
More songs than they’d stand
Verse
Chorus
Middle eight
Break, fade
Just listen …”
La, la-la, la-la

]]> By: David R. Usher http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41068 David R. Usher Fri, 18 May 2007 05:15:23 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41068 Businesses that don't want the living room moved into the board room must donate to legitimate men's groups. Married men who have not yet been whacked (half of them will be), must donate to save their entire investment in life. Men like Paul McCartney and Alec Baldwin need to step up to the plate and change the future. Of course, women who are sick and tired of the horrible effects of single motherhood should be donating to us, instead of feminist causes that work against the interests of the average woman. Businesses that don’t want the living room moved into the board room must donate to legitimate men’s groups. Married men who have not yet been whacked (half of them will be), must donate to save their entire investment in life.

Men like Paul McCartney and Alec Baldwin need to step up to the plate and change the future.

Of course, women who are sick and tired of the horrible effects of single motherhood should be donating to us, instead of feminist causes that work against the interests of the average woman.

]]> By: GladMadSadDad http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41063 GladMadSadDad Fri, 18 May 2007 03:52:42 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41063 Twice a year I make a small donation to a local children and Dad organization. I've been doing this for a few years. I wish I could afford more, but with a burdensome parenting subsidy, I can only give so much. I'm sure you understand. I have no problem if my donation is put into the pocket of anyone. As long as I believe the group to be effective in advancing the relationships of children and Fathers, they are worth the money. If they become ineffective and lose their voice, they will lose my money. Twice a year I make a small donation to a local children and Dad organization. I’ve been doing this for a few years. I wish I could afford more, but with a burdensome parenting subsidy, I can only give so much. I’m sure you understand.

I have no problem if my donation is put into the pocket of anyone. As long as I believe the group to be effective in advancing the relationships of children and Fathers, they are worth the money. If they become ineffective and lose their voice, they will lose my money.

]]> By: mruffolo http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41021 mruffolo Thu, 17 May 2007 22:01:22 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41021 With one hand feminism neutralizes a 10,000 year old patriarch. In forty years with the other hand, they build the matriarch. Feminists are powerful. They also have momentum. With one hand feminism neutralizes a 10,000 year old patriarch.

In forty years with the other hand, they build the matriarch.

Feminists are powerful. They also have momentum.

]]> By: mruffolo http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41020 mruffolo Thu, 17 May 2007 21:52:46 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41020 Hotel Reservation: Floor For Women Only (US) No men allowed. That will be the rule on the the entire 19th floor of a new J.W. Marriott hotel being built in Grand Rapids, Mich. Spokeswoman Andrea Groom said more than half of all business travelers are women. http://www.local6.com/travelgetaways/13337041/detail.html Hotel Reservation: Floor For Women Only (US)

No men allowed.

That will be the rule on the the entire 19th floor of a new J.W. Marriott hotel being built in Grand Rapids, Mich.

Spokeswoman Andrea Groom said more than half of all business travelers are women.

http://www.local6.com/travelgetaways/13337041/detail.html

]]> By: mruffolo http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/17/the-fatherhood-movement-professionalism-and-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-41019 mruffolo Thu, 17 May 2007 21:51:20 +0000 http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=489#comment-41019 New fertility laws say dads not needed to make babies (UK) Under current laws, fertility clinics have to consider the baby's need for a father before providing treatment. But today's draft Human Tissue and Embryos Bill says this is no longer necessary. The changes will make it easier for single people and lesbians to receive fertility treatment on the NHS. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23396690-details/New+fertility+laws+say+dads+not+needed+to+make+babies/article.do New fertility laws say dads not needed to make babies (UK)

Under current laws, fertility clinics have to consider the baby’s need for a father before providing treatment. But today’s draft Human Tissue and Embryos Bill says this is no longer necessary.

The changes will make it easier for single people and lesbians to receive fertility treatment on the NHS.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23396690-details/New+fertility+laws+say+dads+not+needed+to+make+babies/article.do

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