We Gossip While Rome Burns
Nero supposedly fiddled while Rome burned and we gossip while modern day Rome collapses around us. Everything natural to life is disintegrating before our eyes-family, home, roots, tradition, and a spiritual way of life.
Instead of addressing the calamity and doing something about it, we gossip. We are like a group of women with an issue to be resolved and no men available to resolve it. Talk, talk, and talk. I feel somewhat embarrassed for the women who write for MND and especially for those who read it. If they wanted gossip they would tune in to Oprah. They’re coming to us to see what we are doing about the adverse conditions around them and we do nothing other than gossip and preen our feathers, and talk about who knows what best.
In any given month we can find among the comments aspersions regarding, blacks, Hispanics, immigrants in general, Muslims, Catholics, and Asian religions. Of what remains gets divided into liberals and conservatives and among that group there is argument over who is most conservative or who knows the Bible best. This activity is pure feminine aristocratic behavior. We shun those not like us and then by government fiat want to impose our will.
The government serves as the substitute male in the Western culture, which I was recently reminded of as I browsed through, The Old Regime and the French Revolution, the last written work of Alexis de Tocqueville in which he wrote the following: “The ends proposed by the reformers varied greatly, but the means were always the same. They wished to make use of the central power, as it stood, for shattering the whole social structure and rebuilding it on the lines that seemed to them desirable.†He goes on to say, “the government having stepped into the place of Divine Providence in France, it was but natural that everyone, when in difficulties, invoked its aid.†He points out that the government of France was more centralized and larger after the Revolution than before.
What Western man fails to realize is that by substituting government for patriarchy it ultimately usurps all of male authority and we become neutered dependents upon that which we created. There are no exceptions. Every form of European government ultimately draws unto itself all authority; democracy more so than the others for it is based on the self-gratification of the individual with no thought of family or a race consciousness. Calls for a return to the basic Constitution leave me unmoved. The Internet contains essays written by Madison and Jefferson deploring what they had created.
I do not want to get to far a field here and lose the thread of this article. The issue is that we have become impotent and do nothing but grouse about what we do not like. If there is someone or some organization offering a better idea of action than I do, then take it and support it with your time, talent, and treasure. The action needs to come from outside of the government and also outside of the narrow paradigm of Western thinking.
When India decided to build steel mills it sent its engineers to observe and learn from France, Germany and Japan, those nations that had the most efficient steel mills. In the same manner it would behoove us to consider the cultures of people who have low rates of mental illness, divorce, adultery, and incarceration as we address making change in our nation. We can no longer impose our will by fiat. Mass change requires the support of the masses.
Rome is burning and Caesar will be stepping in soon. We have to stop bickering among ourselves and unite to preserve that which we hold dear to us. Let’s turn our chitchat into positive steps to bring about change. A certain amount of talk supports our male comradery, which I appreciate and share in, but the thrust of our talk needs to be directed at bringing about change. The time for action is now. Let’s talk up some action.
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thurston861,
I am not able to read all or sometimes even many threads here at MND.
I did read at least one of your posts to DRU’s article (http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/05/19/on-illegal-immigration-%e2%80%9cenact-this%e2%80%9d/) before he removed it. I thought your post was over the edge and out of left field–seemingly not at all connected to the article he posted (talking about his grandmother?!). Most of the time, your comments seem to be connected to the articles and full of insight (for example, in #75 your paragraph “Expose… growing)” is spot on. I also believe that there are many in our government who need to be tried, sentenced and hanged for treason).
Regarding your disagreement with DRU (#36, 42, 45 above and elsewhere), just what is your disagreement? (But only if you think clarification will somehow help restore necessary patriarchy–wouldn’t want to gossip.) (I’d prefer if you email me offline at LovingParent at hotmail dot com)
Lloyd selberg,
(#37)
My Internet search engine searching leads me to believe that EG’s first name is George, and I assume Elder is just a title he prefers to use. I don’t understand why so many use aliases (Are alias users doing this to protect their personal lives in our hostile world? If I were to use an alias, I would feel like I was trying to hide something. By using my name, I am taking responsibility for what I say.)
Elder George,
I still hope to respond to your last email response to me (I’ve been busy with my family and my local “political” activity). Your response didn’t seem to address *any* of the issues I raised. This “Elder” concept is an important issue and I hope to get the time to respond to you soon.
Your pont was the caution against the Sirens.
de Tocqueville reveals that the Greeks did not heed the warnings of Homer and their Democracies collapsed, over and over again.
The framers knew this, and must have understood that is the reason, and did not state that Women are equal to Men, for when women are placed as equals, men go away. It is really that simple.
Why should I make a movie or a play, I wake up every moring and look around me. There is no point to it.
What was sparked was the fact that you kept pointing this out, so I asked myself, is there any idea or issue of the Women’s Movements from Temprence to Today that was in fact true and in need of proper legislation that was handled properly and not enforced to make a larger more pervasive problem than the original issue.
The Comedy of Myq Kaplan inspired the point talking about History, the Amendments tell the story, 18th Women convinced us to all stop drinking, after we stopped drinking now wouldn’t it be right to let women have the vote since they helped us stop drinking, so we voted them to have the Vote, 21st Amendment -after they got the Vote we had to start drinking again!
He is funny, but putting Homer and this Comedian together raised the question, is there a single issue that women have ever been Right and corrected without huge amounts of collateral damage?
I felt completely without authority to answer the question. So I pressed Mr. Usher. i harassed him until he said, “You know! THE VOTE!.”
This was after he said anyone who questions the 19th is a NUT.
Well, when someone tells me I better not look at or consider something, otherwise you will be labeled something bad, I investigate.
Then I found out about his association with Schlafly (her position that Wives should use sex to manipulate their husbands), his Grandmother, the WKK and Sangerites standing at the Gate waiting to be let in, and remembered Buck v. Bell where the U.S. Supreme Court bought the Sangerite position on eugenics and forced sterilization.
I had hoped that all of the evidence I had accumulated from History to Homer, and the facts of his own admissions would get him to rethink his absolutist position which ignored the Facts and History of our problem.
Then more and more facts just kept being delivered. I ignored facts with my ex, I am not doing that again!
Diseased thought that denies the History and Facts of a matter has no place in leadership.
As Mr. Usher’s recent piece demonstrates with 19 years of effort, there IS NO POLITICAL SOLUTION. Judges must be impeached and the ABA run out of the country for us to get out Rights recognized by the Government.
But impeachment is the duty of the Legislature, and it is infested with Lawyers. So how is this cleaned up.
Expose the fact that the ABA charter is from England? If that is the case then we can use Article 1 Section 9 to indict every lawyer in the land. even the original 13th Amendment is an interesting tool, but no court will hear any of this, except the Court of Public Opinion. (Which is primed by the way because ^5% of the People are not happy with the Pres, and 55% are not happy with their liberal congress, the Congress is opposing the will of the People and not answering the Phones on the Immigration Bull, and Clergy is ignoring the Bible and the congrestations on the immigration issue as well. The whole Society is polarized and the Leaders of men are no one side and the people are on teh other and tension is growing)
Even then there is a President that just made himself Dictator against our Right to Revolution and to cast off oppressive governments.
So the Generals of the U.S. Military are all that are left. They can arrest and remove and hold the President until the Congress Impeaches him. It is a matter of Treason.
But I digress!
In all of this, from teh greeks, Homer, De Tocqueville, your point is proved, no political issue of Women in Western Civilization has ever been real. ALl are false, even the vote for it has caused every subsequent social injustice against Men and Family.
It is pointless to be concerned about how Women see us. Make the Point, do not concede AN INCH! Show no defrence and surrender no power. The Truth is no a half way thing.
That is why politics as we know it is about consensus and negotiating with the Rapist and Murderer how far they will stick it in at this moment, only to re-negotiate another inch or twist next week.
Modern consensus politics means that conservatives have gotten penetrated and blead out so mcuh, that they are no longer conservatives, they are socialists like the liberals. No difference.
So why treat women with kid gloves? We do not need their vote to choose to not associate with their diseased minds. Yeilding one inch causes women to have no respect for us anyway.
The issue is Gender, and it is time to fearlessly point out that it is, otherwise they would take their own trash out.
There is no sense conceding any point. Women who love men will surrender their absentee balots to them signed to re unify the vote of the Family. REAL Women will honor a man who is brave to tell it as he sees it.
Who cares about the rest?
So why cling to the 19th Amendment like a religious icon?
It di no create equality, it created inequality as the founders knew that Women would always be able to out vote Men, and they wanted to aver the tradgedies of Greece, and teh tradgedy of the French, and the tragedy fo divided families and a Nation in a Sex War.
It was the thing that drove men out of public life and out of politics and eliminated confrontational politics, like you myn object to me exercising here.
My strong, strongwilled, har working, independent, Black Girlfriend, 7 years my senior, knows that the vote destroyed unity and harmony, why can’t the intelligent men here dare talk about it.
EG is the only one willing to get close. Other than you SK.
thurston…the siren epic seemed to spark some interest in you…
you seem educated, maybe youre part of this “call to action” is a re-make of the story, u could interperet the story anyway you want…if youre the one making the movie…
there are probibly a few mra,s that would purchase a copy…if you did it right…
thurston…the greeks teaching their sons to be cautious of the sirens, is ancient wisdom..and unfortunatelly i would have to give credit to Homer for that…
someone could probibly make a fortune doing a remake of that story for a dvd.. do you know anyone that is a playwright????
Admittedly bad humor, but the V stuff is my own comic relief…sometimes I am enough of a kook to laugh at my own jokes, not caring if anyone else does or not…sorry to occupy .0000000001 bytes w/ such sophmoric movie trivia and resultant tangential references. Violins please, that shotgun in the corner…is it loaded?
I realize this is drop dead serious stuff round here, no one should ever look away , maybe see something fair, pretty, funny, no one should ever count a blessing, no one should risk the ceramic crunching sound that results from cracking a smile. After all we’ve been anealed in similar furnaces, hardened; if we conducted a dart impact test the friggin dart would break on our heads. We are pretty much are off the charts in tensile strength as well, not only do our physical characteristics resist bending, we damn well just don’t want to.
Hi Ho Hi Ho its off to work…you know the rest.
WoW #70 is something.
And I was called a certified kook!
Speaking of V for Vendetta, I wonder if Marc Rudov would buy Natalie Portman a meal. Viewing “V” avails various virtual views of this very vivacious vixen. Innocently done of course…sorry RPR.
RPR could use a new object of his affections I suppose.
SK – “raise awareness of mens rights, and educate people” is not a problem until awarness causes a man to join an effort directed by a decendent of one of the People who made the problem to send them to ask for their Rights back from People who not only have a vested financial interest in not giving them back, but also violated the Organic Law of the united States to take those Rights.
It is called the Loyal Opposition. It is how people are kept prisoner while thinking they are free.
Educate means complete knowledge, not denying facts and the history which reveals the root cause of the problem because to speak of it is politically incorrect.
Marc Rudove stated plainly, defrenece to ____________ gives __________ unequal power.
All subjects must be open no matter what labels and epithets will be slung, such is the means of controlling the Battlefield of Debate and hemming your opponent in and taking the issue off the root.
Kind of like not allowing U.S. Air Power in Vietnam to attack Sam City.
If somethng is anihilating your men and machines, this case Men and Marriage, you eliminate it, need for heated conflict de-escalates. Urgency is reduced. If it is ignored and not properly addressed, THINGS BETTER DAMNED WELL GET HEATED AND TRAITORS PUT!
I do not believe in leaders who will give this enemy quarter, because they HATE my Brothers, my Sisters, my Children, my Nation. They rule by deception.
I am peculiar that way. Like the Band that hired me 3 weeks ago. The Leader lied about a place to practice. The singer is good, has the look, music was very good too. But he lied, and after 2 rehersals everyone disappeared.
Last week a Metal Band hired me. Nobody lies to me, they have a place to reherse, the Singer (not my style), the music (well it is not my genre), there is communication, they take instruction, let me show them how systems work, take suggestions, and act professional. But I work with them.
WHY?
Becasue I am not going to go around talking and deluding myself with being in this great band with this hot singer, great songs, that has no place to practice and is not interested in going anywhere or rehersing for the show 4 weeks out.
Proper healthy action.
It is my perogative to call down useless leadership. People call me a loose cannon all the time, because why?
Because I will not be someone’s Bitch?
Seems the Men in America like being wymyn, especially the right to whine here.
Go look in the mirror SK, had it not been for your “Siren” comment none of this would have happened.
If you do not want action, keep your ideas from me.
thurston…refined anger can be a powerfull tool for change…It seems, by youre recent blogs..you may consider not being such a loose cannon, and find a singular cause…maybe, “raise awareness of mens rights, and educate people”..
I myself was falselly accussed of rape…It shocked me out of dis-illusionment..and see now men have lost their civil rights of equal protection under the law..and it has galvanized me to act……………
constant sustained effort to raise awareness, and educate…
constant sustained pressure turns coal into diamonds…
Wonder if it is too late for action since according to WND that Bush signed Executive Orders giving him full authority to declare emergencies and deploy troops against the American people when their knowldge causes action to correct their government.
The latest article issued by Mr. Usher reveals not only what Lloyd did above, but also the fact that the MRM has taken 15 years to admit to itself the full scale usurpation of the rule of law by the ABA and Judges designed to destroy the nation.
Yep, now that you will be killed and Martial will be declared against the people when they rebel against catalogued abuses and opression, leaders come out with their report.
Too bad so sad, we did not identify the problem in time.
Whoops, sorry about that.
Action now is IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT.
Treason against the Organic Law 1 USC section 1 and violation of sacred trust can get no more naked.
Is there someone in here with a Guy Faulks mask? Very voracious verbage I view.
V!
The objective of this blog was to address the gossip that I felt plagues this site as well as society in general, and motivate us to cooperative action, or at the least thinking that would lead to cooperative action. Unfortunately, more dissention has developed. The reason for our dissension outside of the differing stages of our personal development and the evironment in which we operate from, is we have not yet esatablished a goal that would focus our efforts and thinking. Until we do that we will be talking about what is wrong instead of the action we are taking to improve our situation.
I ask that you read my mission statement. It’s a start.
To Menck,
Your comment #61. Don’t do things when you get a chance. What chance? That’s the attitude of our responsive society. do it now, then you’ll be free to do other things.
I made a sign and hung it over my desk that reads:
DO IT DO IT RIGHT DO IT NOW DO IT RIGHT NOW DO IT!
Don’t think about it. Do it.
SK- Actually, you can throw Usher overboard as a traitor and stop rowing in an endless circle as has been exposed as going on somewhere between 19 and 35 years by this thread.
AM- You are nothing more than Mercucio on the stage of this play to Marc and others.
You are tolerated despite the stark truth and widsom you deliver with your musings. Much enjoyed!
It is not your boat, you are not in this country, the disease of this instant matter has nothing to do with you, only if you endorse it and think people should be left to savor their misery and not expose false leaders, or NOT.
According to the record revealed above by Lloyd and EG, it has been leadership of Men like Mr. Usher that has been making Men do the Mental Masturbation thing for 19 years. I only got here 5 months ago.
Fiddle and Jerk off. Jefferson said that Men are apt to endure and do that than actually take action to BE and DO something other than they are.
You have a Right to misery in AU, I have a right to call Fakes and Fraudulent Leaders down. It is my Civic Duty.
You were here when I got here, so you cannot blame me for finding you here endlessly tossing off. Being in AU I know you have a valid excuse for not taking action, you are not here. So in issues of leadership how do you say?????? Oh yes! do bugger off for us here old chap!
Otherwise I suppose you have a financial interest in the continuation of this Mental Masturbation of the Likes of Usher, as opposed to actually identifying and going after the present and immediate foe?
Thurston, my passionate friend, an important safety tip. Why we are going around in circles is because that pole in your hand that you are pulling on furiously, is NOT an oar.
conservativation: “…we havent really staked out a position on anything, just expressed optimism about the group within which we surmise there may be compatriots.”
Thanks, cons. This really summarizes in one short sentence the key points I’ve been trying to make in this thread.
I’ll also accept your recommendation about the book and follow up on that when I get a chance.
Thurston, it’s MY friggin’ boat. You are in grave danger of being thrown overboard!
damn thurston…get a grip on youreself man…
when you go off like this you are simply no help to anyone…
we have chosen to try to bail out the boat…yes we are against massive epic odds…but were trying…
If you tried to burn the boat i’m in…i would throw you overboard…
Am – She was a Whore! A statist Temple Whore.
She left Whoredome for Righteousness. So reason and logic won her.
David Grandmother knew the Enemies were at the Gate. She and the do nothing scared for Sex men had de Toqueville handy to read, and they let the “insane” (by Mr Usher’s own definition and description) into the voterbase to pillage destroy, and have done nothing but make misery for all, instead of isolating it to their own individual choice.
He will not denounce this behavior as wrong.
Lloyd then admits that all of Usher’s political work has done nothing as well.
Out of mercy I would burn the boat, instead of allow the endless suffering of rowing in a circle to continue.
I tried to follow this thread.
I really did.
As a non-Christian, my editorial suggestion is that all you dudes go out and immediately GET LAID, and then come back and post.
Really.
The syntax ( and epistimology) would be so much better.
Unintellectual girls are just fine…. Just buy them a few drinks….
Just go do it.
Metaphors be damned…
Is there a heat wave over there in Amerikaville? So much sweat and fuming. Amityville was intended to be a nice place, peaceful, helpful, friendly. Suddenly, Horror! More denunciations than a week of latin lessons. Edepol, magnum pilae igneum. (Trans: Goodness gracious, great balls of fire).
Being a reasonably well rooted chap (and boy have I been rooted in my time) I find all this bible thumping – with a dash of Roman fire-raising tales thrown in – to be far too temperature raising. Its like a revivalist meeting with threats of hell-fire and damnation and poor Mr Usher the boogyman.
Thurston, dear chap, David is not the horned beast. He just had a looney Great-Grandma. What does the Bible say about Jesus’s Great-Grandma, I wonder. (I’m going to be sorry I asked that, I just know it).
This is like being in a leaky boat and someone’s trying to light a fire. Burning the boat in the hope that the heat dries it out ain’t the greatest idea. Bail, you bastards, bail. Get those buckets dipping and chucking or a full one will come your way.
Oh Yes “certified kook” I am sure that you meant that in a Brotherly Christian sort of way.
That license is just as good as possession of a Vagina.
Yes and Amen Brother, Go Forth to your destruction, Hell and the Lake of Fire is not half full, Be Blessed in the Consensus of Spiritual Warming.
Invective, that is good!
Join Mr. Usher and the reactionary Feminists.
Don’t forget to lick their hands even though they give you nothing but platitudes.
Im done with this thurston, I kept hoping you’d somehow come back into a lucid state, I have occasionally thought, wow, thats kinda out there, but left it alone.
Sir, you are a certified kook, and I hope you get better. Ive never watched an emotional/intellectual meltdown this closely, and it is a sad affair. I don’t know what has happened in your life, and you are correct, I know nothing about you, nor do I want to, and I think you’ll search long and hard to find anyone who does much more then read your words with academic curiosity.
Please leave me out of it.
Cons – I guess you need to re-read even my words.
Church is a location. The internal culture and diseased thinking within it is the BAD. The evidence speaks that truth.
If you know the Truth and you care about the Church, go save it, one Man at a time. Pic the Man you think is about to bail out of the Church or just did. Talk to him about what you know.
The Bible is that common ground that expresses the Oriental Nature of Marraige and Society that people have bent their knee to, but no preacher is talking about.
Could a Pstor have strength to Preach the Whole Word if Men were there to support him, or is he pandering to the demographic that will pay his bills this week?
Pastors need Men to support them and expose the diseased thinking and give him a supported option. Is that what they need?
If you reach a Man out of the Church, what if he convinves his wife that the Church is in Rebellion against HIS Law just as Revelations says? What if she concedes to his authority and they stop going? you jsut helped a Man save and concert his Family.
GOD Men has them moving, and by telling them the Feminized Jesus is wrong guess what? Their pastors are wrong! THe past Pastors are WRONG! The man then has to begin to ask well where then is the Church? Who is my Leader? Wait I was just told I’M the MAN grow a Pair!
And so discerment kicks in and he begins to think his own thoughts. Such Men will NEED to be asking the questions you do, because Church is not the Confines of where we live our Faith, that is in the World, Church is where Men Worship and Come together to G-D’s Reason.
That is why Church can be almost anywhere at anytime.
Reformation…Enlightenment, Hey I can type it too!
What is the point there Cons?
Lucifer markets Enlightenment too!
Cons you do not know anything about my beliefs to say whether or not you share them. I just keep trying to reach you with a Book that I was under the impression that you treasured.
I can stop if you like.
That being the case, it looks like I have filled you to breaking and now there is no more functioning. I am sorry.
In the Book I used to follow there were lots of men who were not spiritual leaders sent to do mighty spiritual things. It was hard not having position or power to work from, and they kept trying to get out of the job on that account. One got swallowed by a Big fish in his attempt.
In all, they all failed. Nobody listened, destruction came, but they were killed by the lawless majority first so they did not have to share in the destruction/judgement.
But I digress, you are full and cannot take anymore.
If you think men go to church, how do you explain only 35% going to hear the message of the Feminized Jesus?
Where are the other 2 men to your 1, in comparison to Women who are more likely there?
Since you believe they should go to church, how are you going to get them to come in?
Jesus died on the Cross to get men to come to church as the Pastors like to believe, so where then are all these men that the omnipotent G=D has drawn to HIM since everyone is saved under the new Gospel of Moral Reletivism?
“Maybe the Devil is in the Details”…hmmm.
Once heard something like that about church once…No I read it! It was in this thing called an Epistle. Yeah…that is the ticket. Lots of people like to quote the part about assembling of one another, but keep missing that judgmental part about avoiding the synogogue of Satan.
Oh yes, now I know why, because there is no Devil! So there are no details, there is no responsibility to be had, its all relative. Silly me and my logic, I apologize.
“what is church? what does it mean to go to church? Hell I dont know.”
That is both sad and exciting at the same time.
Sad if you care not to find the answer and just keep doing what you have always done that does no statisfy your soul.
Exciting if it compels you to find the answer.
Do not read any further if you do not care.
I will never tell you any answer. So it is in the form of a question to allow you to reason with G-D or Satan or whomever.
So, if a Church is of G-D, would the messages preached from the Pulpit deny the nature, purpose, function, importance, and character of MAN empowered by his salvation, and condone Women committing Sins against their Husbands by preaching such denial of the value of Man?
Is not Lucifer’s plan to destroy Mankind?
Is he devious enough to use benefits sold to Woman to destroy Man and his progeny?
Good Luck Cons.
mruffolo – any community that I am part of will have the tertoserone manufacturing facilities to confront members with diseased thought, misleas men, and misrepresent the problem to keep men from solutions.
David made himself the enemy when he threatened, had a tantrum, and refused to address the facts.
He and Lloyd can go keep douing the same useless thing.
I will not sit idly by like Men did when David’s grandmother opened the door to the Murders of Babies, Family, my Nation, and made this place a Hell on Earth.
If you want their solution go talk to them. but I am not their Bitch, and they surrendered their credibility.
Go lick the hands of your Masters, because they think that they own you as THEIR Movement.