Making Criminals Out of Victims in Rape cases

I really have to question the value of posting an article like this on a men’s rights website. I doubt anyone here would argue that there are not bad men and that no mistakes are made in the criminal justice system that hurt women. Of course there are bad men and some women do not receive true justice. You are dealing with a system created and run by humans after all.

The question is whether there is systematic discrimination against men in the justice system. If you look at rape shield laws, non-prosecution of false accusers, different levels of punishment for male versus female criminals committing the same crime then it becomes clear there is discrimination against men.

A few anecdotal stories are just red herrings to deflect attention from addressing the true problems.

Steven Drizin, unfortunately you are looking at this social issue through simply a gynocentric worldview.

If one day you are “falsely accused” of sexual assault as I was, you will look at this entire matter differently. In my situation I was lucky and she went back and told the truth, for MANY other men they are not that lucky.

Mr. Drizin, don’t get me wrong. If I hadn’t gone through the traumatic experience I went through, the I might have shared the exact view towards this social issue as you. Make sense? I’m not discrediting your perspective or opinion on the matter. I’m not the worlds best writer.

The question that comes to mind for me is why did the cops not believe the girl? Is it because they had seen countless examples of men falsely accused of rape or other crimes by women? This is the inherent problem in the system, when you don’t end up punishing those that file false police reports, you end up having the people not believe you when a real crime has been committed. Public scrutiny no longer is a deterrent. When women file false reports they should be given the full penalty under the law and when they can see they no longer can get away with filing false reports we can go back to believing real ones.

I feel for the two girls mentioned. Really I do. Not only were they raped by a scumbag bastard, but the first one wasn’t believed most likely due to amount of false reports so the rapist was free to rape the second.

Good point KushinLos, but the way the police minds work, and I slightly agree is if they make the punishment too harsh for false reporters then these women won’t come forward and confess they made it up for revenge, etc.

I think the best deterent to false allegations of sexual assault would be to require a lie detector test for EVERYONE whom makes a sexual assault allegation. This is effective in weeding out the wheat from the shaff, the true from the false. Many will confess upfront it was bogus before they take the test.

I’d like to add.. When I was in my early twenties I was a reserve police officer, that is “volunteer” you don’t get paid. This was in the 90′s when police departments were trying to up their female ratio of officer’s so no I didn’t get on full time anywhere. I went on to other things…

As a reserve police officer I went through the police academy, etc and worked as a police officer, doing regular police duties. There wasn’t a day that went by that when I put on that uniform and looked in the mirror I didn’t take seriously and wasn’t in awe regarding the enormous power and responsibility that came with that uniform.

Unfortunately, in todays law enforcement few officers think like I did. Many think and I heard this from other officers “If they ain’t wearing a badge, they ain’t @#&^

rest didn’t post… it was they ain’t bleep to me!”

Perhaps Mr. Guess er, Drizin should visit the web pages of the Innocence Project!

http://www.innocenceproject.org/

DNA testing has proven that 201 innocent people spent nearly 2,500 years in prison for *crimes they didn’t commit — and they are just the tip of the iceberg. Get involved in our month-long campaign to raise awareness about the causes of wrongful convictions and to help fix the criminal justice system.

*mostly rapes & sexual assaults

I guess the point of this article is a little counter-offensive to the duke 3? “See! It happens the other way too!” It seems to be crying out (whimpering).

But as in KushinLos most excellent point, these investigators don’t have this ‘preconception’ that the woman is lying bloom in their mind for no reason. More likely (despite the fact they were telling the truth) each of these women setoff mental ‘alarms’ that led the detectives to believe they were lying.

This would only make sense if as KushinLos says, the detectives had become familiar with women making false charges frequently.

This article doesn’t prove wide-spread anti-woman attitude nationwide (as I’m sure the author would like to). If anything it proves that MRA’s were right!

Over and over and over again MRA’s have stated we need to start prosecuting these false allegations.

Everytime we are told by feminist-indoctrinated powers-that-be:”We have everything well in hand! Go lift something heavy muscles, and leave the heavy thinking to the mental gifted! If we prosecuted false allegations–why that would reduce rape victims coming forward!”

So, if police departments prosecuted teens who prank 911 agencies, it would make people NOT call 911? Nowhere else is this bullsh*t logic even entertained!

“women -as- victim has a tendency to blind men to all other sufferrrers”
its just the way it is..
way more men are put in jail for false accussations then girls that are denied justice…
Our society is crumbleing because we continue to act on the victim cries of homers “sirens”
If men never get justice in this life…I pray to god that the eunech male perpetrators of this womens matrix of injustice get whats coming to them…

this is the inflamatory rhetoric that the womens matrix constructionists use to blind men to other sufferrers..
they know that the women-as victim paradigm was grooved into most mens minds by the hand that rocks the cradle..
the cries of homers sirens are wailing….
steven doesn’t realise that destroying men, will destroy women also..

We have multiple numbers of Men who have been released thanks to the Innocence Project from DNA science. They were serving long terms due to the false accusations of Women, improper Police conduct. And did we not just get through with the Duke LaCrosse case? What cave have you been living in Dumb Ass??

Add IMBRA, VAWA where Men are guilty until proven innocent. Add the Duluth Model, the decades of FemNag attacks on Erin Pizzey. Put down the bong or Crack pipe already. You should be posting at iVillage or Askmen.com. They are appologists for this type of nonsense. Call Oprah, I’m sure she would love to interview you. No Sale here.

MuchWiserNow,

Thanks for the link to the Innocence project.

I’ll bet that the 200+ are just the tip of the iceberg.

Further “family courts” operate outside of the U.S. Constitution and inside of layers of covert government bureaucracies. There are approximately 25,000,000 parents (mostly men) who have had their families destroyed by traitors. It requires a few more words to explain the devastation caused by this travesty, but one aspect is easy to explain.

Think of the extortion (racketeering) aspect. My ex has so far stolen/extorted more than $100,000 from me (the extortion is ongoing). Most of the “non-custodial” parents I know or have heard about endure much greater extortion and emotional terrorism. Assuming I’m average, traitors (25 million entitlement-minded “parents”–mostly women, judges, lawyers, social workers, psychologists, police officers, etc.) have shared in the extortion bonanza to the tune of $2.5 trillion dollars across the U.S. Much of this is money stolen from victims of false allegers and is surely profound large-scale serial child abuse.

jackal1994,

Thanks for the analogy (#9) about the “let’s not press charges against false allegers…” idiotic train of thought and calls to 911.

Of course there are female sex assault victims who are not believed. There are male sex assault victims who are not believed. For males sexually assaulted by females, almost all of the victims are not believed, questioned rudely and generally given every hard time imaginable.

This gets into why I find this type of column offensive: All of the effort is to make females look like poor innocent victims of those foul males. The reality is that some people are hurt by the justice system and most people are helped by the justice system. It is not perfect, but is the best available system. Through hard work and constant improvement we can make the justice system better.

When a person seeks to twist the reality of our justice system, I must take a stand and say clearly that there are problems in the system; not female problems, not male problems, just problems.

I must also ask why you Mr. Drizin seek to make the female problems bigger and thus, by default, the male problems smaller? Is that not sexism on your part?

This is a perfect example why women who falsely accuse men should be prosecuted, so women who are raped won’t be dragged through the muck created by the liars. There are women who cry “wolf”, and they need to pay for it (instead of the true victims paying for it).

Don’t you love the argument, “If we prosecute women who make false allegations of sexual assault, legitimate sexual assault victims will not come forward”. Bullshit!

Let’s apply that faulty logic elsewhere: Many people falsely report their auto stolen to receive an insurance payout, because they went over their lease mileage allowance, because they used the car in a crime, etc. By prosecuting these folks for filing a false report, does that make true victims of auto theft not come forward to report a crime?

While investigating all types of criminal complaints cops learn that people will lie about anything. It is their job to muddle through the BS and lies to determine first, if a crime even took place. Even if their “gut” instinct tells them a person did commit a crime, they will wait until there is evidence rising to the level of “probable cause” before making the arrest.

The tendency for a person to commit a crime that they know the police will vigorously investigate and prosecute is less only when they see punishment looming. Cars thieves will generally ply their trade in jurisdictions where if they should get caught, they will get a slap on the wrist (NYC). A good example of this occurred a couple years back when I questioned a known car thief. When I told him to go steal cars where he lives in Nassau County (borders NYC to the east on Long Island), he said, “No way, they put you in jail for boosting cars there”.

I use impersonal property crime here as an example so as to not diminish the impact of sexual assault on REAL victims. My point is this; selectively prosecuting perpetrators of crime, especially based on sex or race or social status, opens the floodgates for MORE crime. This practice also denigrates on a wholesale level the true crime victim who is then lost in the crowd.

Should a police officer be guilty of falsely arresting a person, he stands to lose his career and face criminal and civil penalties. A prosecutor who maliciously tries an innocent person (Nifong) is immune. While we play femo-politics, REAL crime victims are marginalized.

“A video surveillance camera from a mall parking lot captured her assailant when he dropped her off after the abduction.”

That still doesn’t prove he raped her. This could be just another one of the millions of cases where she had consentual sex then got into an argument/felt guilty/was trying to get out of trouble, but of course we have the ‘evidence’- sperm inside of her- but that is not evidence of a rape. Why are most people so stupid?

“…where officers were successful in coercing a teenage victim to recant her claims she had been sexually assaulted.”

Can someone please define ‘sexual assault?’ I have yet to have anyone able explain that to me.

windle2007 said, “Can someone please define ‘sexual assault?’ I have yet to have anyone able explain that to me.”

You are correct. Even I used that ambiguous term in my post. MY use of the term was referring to forcible rape and forcible sodomy. I dumbed it down so as to not be too graphic, but why? You’re right, my apologies.

The question that comes to mind for me is why did the cops not believe the girl? Is it because they had seen countless examples of men falsely accused of rape or other crimes by women? This is the inherent problem in the system, when you don’t end up punishing those that file false police reports, you end up having the people not believe you when a real crime has been committed.

Bingo! Women who lie about rape hurt real victims. Here’s one classic, glaring example.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/4359657/detail.html

Laws that reach to define rape ever more broadly are really working to trivialize horribly violent acts of rape. Some men are being charged with rape, because a woman withdrew consent and the man didn’t stop quickly enough. Yet the law sets no time limit within which a man must stop. Some men are being charged with rape days after the alleged act occured when feeling remorseful. Some college men are being charged with date rape when a young woman falsely accuses a man so they can cover for cheating on her boyfriend. I even recall a case in a local paper where high school girls falsely accused rape to cover over their being late getting home from school.

Then of course there is that sign I saw at a local college, put up by some nut case gender feminist group. It showed a half glass of whiskey and said, “Just because I’m drunk is no excuse to rape me.” It’s funny how that works. If a woman is drunk. Gets into her car and kills someone the law does not excuse her for her drunkeness and charges her with manslaughter or murder so why is the drunken woman not responsible for her actions when she gets drunk and chooses to have sex?

If one goes to The Innocence Project and does a seach on rape (and sexual assault), one sees that in the vast majority of the cases were men wrongly convicted (but cleared by DNA evidence) rape was in the charges.

Think about all the other men who sit rotting in jail and will never be freed, because they actually had sex with their false accusers.

We all know a woman would never lie about rape – wrong. Women have only been lying about rape since the dawn of time. In the Bible, in the book of Gensis, chapter 39, verse 14 we read about the first recorded story of a false accusation of rape. Potiphar’s wife falsely accuses Joseph of rape, resulting in his being thrown into jail.