The healthy expression of the natural propensity is the family. It is based on love and desire, protection, nurturing, provision and human growth. The individual man and woman are the keystones and their natural expressions with, to and for one another spreads outward to social kindness and helpfulness.

This particular mother was an individual instance of the Communistic/Fascistic person, a sociopath with a murderous intolerance. It encompassed even herself.

This document reads like a piece from NOW’s web site.

The traditional woman appears to the enemy of Communism also.

Thanks for sharing.

Only Communism creates conditions whereby the conflict between the natural function of woman – maternity – and her social obligations, which hinder her creative work for the collective, will disappear and the harmonious and many-sided development of a healthy and balanced personality firmly and closely in tune with the life and goals of the labour-collective will be completed.

All women who fight for the emancipation of woman and the recognition of her rights must have as their aim the creation of a Communist society.

The masses of proletarian women must, in their own interests, support the revolutionary tactics of the Communist Party and take as active and direct a part as possible in mass action and in every type and form of civil war that emerges both on the national and international scale.

and to address your comment as to their aims..

At its highest stage, the struggle of women against their dual oppression (by capitalism and by their own domestic family dependence) must take on an international character, developing into a struggle (fought under the banner of the III International) by the proletariat of both sexes for their dictatorship and for the Soviet system.

Third Congress of the Communist International

first of all, a woman that would do this is a sociopath, or a psychopath, use the term you like most, they are the same thing. most people feel guilt, and as such, many acts are beyond them without forced impetus. Suicides rarely take out other people, when they do its not really the same as a suicide. Though we try to make it so.

real suicides are self directed, they are incapable of acting outward, and so the invert inward. The more problems they have the more they focus them inward and define themselves as the crux of the problem, and that everyone else would be better without them, etc… women usually ACT like they are committing suicide as a dramatic way to manipulate and to achieve goals. That’s why the number of attempts for women are huge but successes in comparison are small. If you wish to claim otherwise, then what your saying is women are so incompetent they cant even get their own deaths right. Meanwhile, mens suicide tends to be when they are not producing and are a burden, a drain rather than putting in. they do it to help the others.

murder suicides are different… they are more revenge based… however we want to imagine this despondent woman, who thought to kill the kids rather than let them end up someplace… sounds all noble.. but it means that people, like you, have to assume that everyone is sane, and therefore their acts are desperation, not mental lunacy.

Even you know deep down that womens suicides are mostly fake. How can I tell? Easy, you assumed that she couldn’t finish the job! That she couldn’t do it unless it was done with not return. Even you could not imagine a woman determined enough to finish a job! Think deeply on the knee jerk you just pulled. You are assuming that no woman does this except for theatrical outcome, therefore she wouldn’t, I mean couldn’t have killed herself by just hanging and not caring. In fact, your refusal to believe that she could be that despondent (a testimony to false feelings as a means of using people), that another hand had to do it.

What you do is not think things through. What your doing is capping your thoughts. A is a problem, b fixes a, no need to look past b. a woman actually committing suicide is the problem… therefore she didn’t and she had to be murdered… the murderer has to be the husband, thought process caped and that’s it. there is no thought to even make a small mental investigation of your own and figure that if she refuses to hang herself and someone else forces her, how did they get her totally compliant in which there was no signs of any resistance (not even her brazenly scratching herself to insure that “they would know”)

This is how femnuts taught you… tie off the loose ends quickly so your ideas don’t hemorage to death… and then they inspire you to go out with your false views, purile reasoning, and totally disarmed, and your going to take on reason, logic, history, science and such on your own… not only are you a useful idiot, your also useful cannon fodder.

I do believe you were abused. But I agree more with Mrs Pizzey (the woman that started the first abuse centers and was nearly killed by communist feminists – yeah feminism is communist socialism but their own admittance). She points out that most women in such relationships have a problem, they are abuse prone. They are not the angels that they paint themselves to be.

In pretty much every case where I could ask questions and get honest answers I can show that the victim instigated things by assuming that there was a imaginary wall that prevented things no matter what they did. your claim that if you breathed wrong he attacked you… do you realize that to any one else except the dv industry you sound like a banana head? Why? well those capped thoughts again…

When a ditz feminist hears it her inquiry never goes farther than the surface and what you say… but dig deeper, and you can ask the question… so, how much did you know the person before you decided to shack up? did you know the family?

You and the rest of your sick sisters want to paint the picture that normal healthy people turn into hydes for no reason and start choking and abuseing their loved ones.

Only in the movies…

And the DV industry does not allow you to look at your own actions at all as contributory. In fact they tend to say, do what you want, and there shouldn’t be any consequences… spend the rent money, he will make more, and he cant say anything. don’t let him spend on things he likes. Rather than talk to him kindly when he is whole, let him get drunk first, and then harangue him about how he is inferior and how its his fault you could have been doing better… maybe throw in the uncertainty if the kid is his own… or perhaps threaten to call the cops..

I am NOT saying you did any of that.. You could very well have been married to a mental patient… however, only women give blind sympathy to other women (men don’t do that for men, so don’t expect it for women)… and women will change the story so that they look better in the light.

You admit that you contemplated homicide, and that tells me that you are mentally unstable. In a world and country that you can just leave… in which you get support 90% of the time.. in which the state garners wages… and on and on… murder is only an option if what you really want is revenge for your own mistakes.

Many women have a masochistic streak, those that recognize it turn it into some play and they separate it from their life. Those that don’t, do weird things in their life to create real situations in which they get that fix.

The other thing is that I will bet that you chose an excitring and unpredictable bad boy… that’s because someone sold you a handful of beans. The exact exciting description that the feminist rags are giving you could be re-titiled… “how to find your sociopathic abuser”.

Of course such things as I just said are heresy… and so you wont learn from them. you will run back to the sisterhood that validates whatever you say… and the last place they want you to look at is how YOU behave… why? because if you don’t cap that thought, you will track it back to them, and that they told you to, and that they made it seem exciting and such.. Basically they screwed you and gave you a thick hide, tools that don’t work, and so on… and you keep coming back to them despite it.

In the past, you would have had family to help you (and so would the woman who killed herself)… you woldnt be leaving the kids with strangers… she wouldn’t have had kids from several men that basically cuts her future (would you want a man with three kids from three other woman? no? why not, you expect men to want women like that)

Basically this woman lived her live as she learned from feminism… she didn’t save herself… she didn’t take her time to find a decent man with a long term preference… she attempted to select by sex only… and she selected someone that only used sex to select her…(sex being an overwhelming selector)… at some point, she realized that no matter how good she does, it will always be shit and never what she wanted when she was a little girl before she listened to the bad advice.

However she was also sociopathic. You can tell that by the fact that she could calmly, one at a time, hang her kids. That’s spite and envy, and such… the favored emotions of feminism… she rationalized the whole thing (that’s relativism)… she didn’t think that the kids were sacred (that’s secularism)…

and that only a life of pleasure perfect was good, that’s perverted hedonism.. that’s the lesson from movies like million dollar baby, the salton sea, and orgs like planned parenthood, etc.. it’s the basis for eugenics and such…

(the idea is to make it so bad for you and yours that you don’t hve kids. That you commit self actuated genocide!!! 12 billion years of survival and most of it will stop voluntarily today because of ideas… if I wasn’t human, it would be funny)

Basically in a perverted hedonistic society, once the ride is spoiled the whole thing is ruined (which is why so many don’t have kids, they spoil the ride if you think of it in terms of sacrifice, and not in terms of acquiring what you want!). relativism and secularism removes the restrictions reasoned and religions not to kill yourself or others (after all, nothing is wrong, no such thing as immoral. Nothing is sacred, what do you thnk that leads to?)…

She WAS murdered… she was murdered by the new toxic culture brought to you by communists through feminism, and socialism in liberalism… like they SAID!

and it was atharine A. MacKinnon that said in “Toward a Feminist Theory of the State”: “Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.”

[so basically your on the same side as the politics that tortured and murdered more than 100 million people. And you think that they like you, and want to do good by you. all they want is power… haven’t you noticed that they take both sides of an issue… feminists for porn, feminists against porn… duh… feminism doesn’t mean anything!! all it is, is a power label, so that both sides can be seen to rally under the same flag, even if they would kill themselves if they met on the street! So rather than persuading you as to which side is better or healthier… they just take both sides and say we have 100 percent of the people on our feminist side. and both those who are for something give money to the same organization that takes money from their opposition… and you women think that is just fine, peachy, and means that your going someplace… no one travels far in a tug of war]

I guess the point I’m trying to make is that there might be less of it going on if people would at least try to go about relationships the right way…or at least by God’s way.

I haven’t followed this story. What I did pick up in an article I read about this was “boyfriend” “father of some of the children” “common-law husband”.

If she really wanted to protect her children, she would not have had them out of wedlock. She also would have valued herself enough to not shack up with the guy.

When are people going to wake up to this? There just aren’t any morals anywhere to be found in our society. The world is full of illigitimate children. Sure, accidents happen, but these kinds shouldn’t.

Even if one removes the issue of morality, surely they should be able to see the ills that are caused by promiscurity. It’s a sad fact, the children pay for the sins of the parent(s).

Great to read your comments. Continue fighting the good fight. I am also one of those in the church and have experienced being ostracized by fellow believers because of traditional notions and ideas about male/female issues and a complete lack of understanding of what really happens in the family court system.

It is extraordinarly difficult for conservative bible-believers to imagine that there is any explanation for what a man experiences at the hands of family court other than that he must have in some way transgressed. And that the woman involved must be nearly faultless or a victim of circumstance.

I’ve been down that long road and by the Lord’s grace I have also survived. (And I am aware that there are others here who hold similar faith.) It is a harsh thing to live through, as you apparently know by your own experience.

I encourage you to do whatever you can from your position as a church leader.

Have it written up and hand it to the Counselor.

That means the Man has the Floor and chooses the issue of debate, the Church adn the Woman hang themselves from there.

Why won’t the marital counselor read the list to the Wife?

Tell him to read it, tell him you are afraid to read it because when men speak of dissatisfation it is legally domestic abuse and you can be beaten by the police and run out of your house for it.

Shock the Light of day into them. Any refusal to communicate the points is a refusal to support you or the marriage, or the proper function of the Church.

Seems like a better idea than just stewing.

They get enough men coming in and doing this, there will be some crisis preaching.

Keep it up, send e-mails, do print ups of articles. Talk to people, keep setting those traps they will respond. Remember Paul and Barnabas got stoned to death but lived.

Really, what otehr choice do we have?

Scottfree, thanks for being here. I hope you enjoyed something from my ideas of Church counseling approach to share with ALL men in church.

Do not waste time, bring the Jezebel in immediately for public correction.

If she is Demonically rebellious, she will flee the church. Then we know its true intentions, and the Pstors can address unacceptable, destructive, non-christian passive agressive behavior of the Church Women.

Sin is not only active, it is also passive, the pits that we intentionally dig in order to set up for others to fall into. That is just as evil as active defiance to G-D.

Ignoring the faults of Woen is just as devistating as ignorng the faults of Men. In light of the Marital-Martial Law State and the destruction of Men, we have no defense if we continue to allow love to cover a multitude of sin without Feminine Repentence.

plant some seeds that will bear fruit in the near future..

Men no longer tell their sons to be cautious of the siren call, for men that answer the siren call, invariably crash their ships into the rocks…

The misandry is so well hidden in the popular culture that it takes a long long time to deprogram people. I’m making some progress.

Whenever I meet with some friends to play cards or watch ballgames I’ll occasionally bring up this subject matter. One time I asked a friends wife: do you think there’s anything men can do that women can’t–like on the battlefield?

She gave a pretty standard answer that other than pure strength/muscle she thought women could be equal soldiers to men.

So, then I asked her:”If that’s true, then what’s the big deal about domestic violence?”

You could almost hear the mental gears in some peoples heads screeching loudly as they shook off years of rust–and that’s just half the people.

The other half thought I was saying domestic violence doesn’t matter and couldn’t keep the train of thought in station long enough to connect her answer to my question with my statement.

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I confronted some of the leaders and staf, however, one pastor listen the others ignored me.

I sense that the feminist message is used in the selling process. It must work as not-for-profits, along with for-profit companies, use it. Further I cannot turn the television on without running into man bad, woman good/victim message.

How I long for a message absent of victimization from men.

Men’s groups at Church should be talking about this, jsut as teh Church is coming under fire to be controlled in their speech on Homosexuals, who already have Human rights like everyone else, and whould have no extra cosntitutional rights against our right to free association, Men too are under assault.

If we MEN get a grip then maybe women around us can get a grip.

Cons is doing great work, because his Spirit wills to get the Church to see what is going on. Perhaps Pastors will get it and press for accountability from the Women who come to their churches.

i.e. “Women, you make up 80% of the Church attendents here. Only 35% of Men are attending. Married women, where is your Man? Where have you failed in your Vows and your witness to help him get to heaven that he is not Here? Since your Man is not here, why have you not scheduled a marital counseling session with me to ask your Husband where you have failed?”

Is that not turnign the tables on the status quo?

Some Pastors cannot do this becuase then they will find out there they failed too. But that would make them REAL Pastors wouldn’t it?

I doubt the churches will survive a pressing for accountability of wives to husbands, and husbands to Pastors, and Men may not bring their wives in for counseling on their dissatisfaction, but in light of the fact that any mention of disatisfaction is abuse as defined by law, A Chruch Counselor is a perfect witness for bringing it up because it is then a Public Record. [n persons 1=secret (three can keep a secret if two are dead), 2 = private (marriage), 3+ = public.]

So Cons may have a point.

Get connected to a Church, and bring her into counseling on an ambush, and lay out your greivences first. Use it unilaterally as a tool for correction and Public record since Women refuse to submit and call any point of dissatisfaction as abuse.

Once a Church counselor sides with the Woman being unaccountable and not subject to any voicing of dissatisfaction, then the Marriage is declared a One Way Street, it is over, and the Church declared it so.

Then there is no wonder why Men do not come to church. They are trying to preserve the Marriage to the Righteous and Sinless Princess. that is why the neither call the Cops on her nor File for Divorce in as high percentages.

Turn the tables and use the stuff here with the Guys.

I’d be mighty interested to hear some of the highlights of your correspondence with that church pastor sometime.

Sounds like he’s samples a little reality somewhere along the line — that’s usually the only way they will open up their thinking.