It’s Decision Time

Thursday, May 31, 2007
By Elder George

It’s time to decide what and who you will support if you want to make change. People who hurt enough support change. Reading your comments for the past year and a half leads me to believe that you hurt badly; more than hurt, many of you endure considerable suffering.

You suffer as you are restricted from seeing your own children. You suffer as you are denied a mate to stay at home and rear your children. You suffer as you sit in jail because of delinquency in child support payments. You suffer accusations of false rape or spousal abuse. You suffer court imposed geographical restrictions on your activities. You suffer professional advancement because of your ender. You suffer because you can no longer function as a man, and that is the biggest suffering of all.

Don’t you want to put an end to this suffering now or do you still need more of it before you act? If you want to end the suffering, not only for yourselves but for your children as well, then it’s time to act.

The inhibitor of action seems to be your questioning of my message or my organization. Perhaps you feel I don’t have the right message or perhaps it needs to be explained better, and I can appreciate those concerns; however, my message isn’t the key issue at this time. The most important consideration is that you are on a sinking ship and you will be dragged to the bottom with it if you don’t get off. That is the paramount issue.

Whether in your thirties or seventies, every negative issue that existed at the day of your birth has gotten worse. Divorce, adultery, substance abuse, mental illness, and incarceration rates have all increased. Academic performance, virtue, marriage, and ethics have all decreased. You live in a society incapable of making change for the better.
In spite of all the noble efforts of environmentalists, the environment is deteriorating on every front. Religion has lost its influence among the laity and clergy as well. The ship of Western Thought, is sinking rapidly.

It’s time to get off the ship; the time of day, the depth of the water, or whether you should eat first, are not considerations.

I hope that you will latch on to my message once you’re in the water because I believe it is right and natural; however, if you can find a bettor support take it. You will find that when you jump off the ship and land in the water, you will instinctively know what to do. Once you have eliminated the thinking that our government is a permanent entity created by God,-it isn’t and wasn’t-then you will be on your way to making positive change. The permanent entity created by God is the masculine principle and it flows through you.

Come on in, the water’s fine and I look forward to you joining me.

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25 Responses to “It’s Decision Time”

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    scottkirk Says:

    the most effective changers of society can unite heaven and earth..so to speak…
    Historically through the ages; that was the role of the king..Uniteing heaven and earth…

    were men here..at a deep level we understand this..

    In its modern form, to some degree uniteing heaven and earth could be interpreted as uniteing the radical avante guard of mens rights movement to the rest of the herds of men…

    These two forces must find a common ground, and their must be the will, and talent to unite them…then a new age will dawn…(its allready started)

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    scottkirk Says:

    Change will also be facilitated by challengeing the complete hedgemony of the women only raising of our children…

    The spartans used to raise their boys in their mothers custody until he was 5 years old…then the boys would live in the mens camp..
    We are now raising boys that are 30 years old, and still living with their mother..thay are completelly incapeable of taking care of themselves…
    These are the two extremes of cultures….and we must first realise that we do in fact live in an extreme matriarchy where the voice of the father is rarelly heard, and as Rudov would say we are raising men into a state of perpetual infantilism.

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    thurston861 Says:

    SK – you are pommeling me with this great work. Keep it up!

    from Fight Club-

    MC – “I’m a 30 year old boy.”

    Tyler Durden – “We’re a generation of Men raised by Women…I’m not sure that another woman is what we need.”

    So, your point, reprising Mr. Rudov regarding our infantilism, is well grounded, while today we talk of women being seen by the Courts and Media as unaccountable for any of their actions, even mass murder, becasue they are given license to be emotional children.

    Yet, then people like DW2G and I are excoriated and called Nuts when we point out that such destructive creatures should not have the Right to Vote. (In this case she did not for she left that in Mexico when she became an illegal alien.)

    There is only one option as Elder George Points out. Grow up, be a MAN.

    Take back what is yours by Right. Just Do it. Stop talking about it.

    Hey Princess, can I go with the Guys to go get our Rights back? Oh Ok…

    Pastor, can I go with the guys and go get our rights back? I suppose that would be unchristian of me.

    Judge, Senators, Legislators, will you give us our Rights Back? Well, you are the government, if you say so.

    I agree so mcuh with what Elder George is trying to get people to hear. The only reason I am active with the Courts is to let them know I am not going quietly.

    IRS, Child Support, and My Kids, as issues, there is no escape for me. I must bury them.

  4. 4
    Thomas Says:

    You have to be kidding me. This whole line of thought is so fuzzy it sounds like a bunch of women wrote it.

    Ok. So you have established we have all been hurt for a variety of reasons related to our gender.

    Ok. So you have established that we must take action.

    Ok. So you have established that we need your message.

    What the H*ll is the message and what are the specifics of action. This whole site is based on talk, and as we all know talk is cheap. What are the actions? Tell us Elder George, specifically what needs to be done. I think everyone on this site is ready to mobilize but are faced with impossible situations and quite frankly, what specifically is “jump into the water?”

    As I have said before – it all comes down to money – if you have enough, you can convince the public at large of anything (Global Warming, All Dads are abusers, the courts award custody to Dads 85% of the time, etc., etc.). Your responded once to one of my posts: if you have a message the money will flow in. Yet I have seen many very specific messages in the MRA publications and sites – but no money – anywhere – not even enough to post a few billboards let alone major TV spots.

    This battle will be won by cash. Period. While I fully back all of the literature and actions of everyone involved (Baskerville, Rudov, Sacks, McCormick, Braver, Holstein, Hogan, Rogers, etc. etc.) their efforts are greatly slowed by the lack of cash. There have been MRA groups for years that have yet to materialize any significant results. We need Power – and power resides in money. We clearly need a campaign to raise significant amounts of money and we need it to be properly administered by a trusted centralized organization.

    I donate to many organizations that support change. Do we buy the books on the subject? Why are women’s groups so powerful? – All women buy books about women – ahhh more money. Few men buy books about men and their issues. I bought 10 copies of Warren Farrell’s book “Child and Father Reunion.” I donated 9 of them to local libraries. BTW: A year later I went back to the libraries to take the book out. Not one of the 9 local libraries had a copy. Some said they could not obtain it another said they had to go to the city library. How come Borders carries tons of books on Women’s issues but not one on men’s issues. In one Borders books I found a central, complete rack of “Are Men Necessary,” by Maureen Dowd. But when I ask about any of the books about men’s issues, family courts favoring men, etc. “We can order that for you.”

    Your rhetoric is nice, but I think that’s about it. Yes, it is decission time – I think we have all already made it, unfortunately, it’s hitting a brick wall.

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    Elder George Says:

    To Thomas,

    Thanks for the detailed comment.

    I don’t feel that there is a message out there and have indicated that in many of my articles. There has been general acceptance of that viewpoint.

    Regarding specifics from me, my website contains a mission statement and how to achieve it. Who else offers that? Who else has tested his message on different ethnicities, races, and religious groupings?

    Who has stated clearly that patriarchy (the rule of men) is the natural order of life, and has gone to considerable lengths to explain it?

    The worship of money and materialism is what has caused us to be where we are. Don’t the religious right organizations have oodles of money? At one time Focus on the Family had a staff of 1,000 at its headquarters. A payroll like that requires lots of money.

    Like everything else this society addresses, it does not know how to go to the root cause of an issue; therefore it cannot have a message for change.

    Tell me someonelse’s message. Write it here on the comments. If you drum one up it will be an anti something. Find me a pro something.

    I’m pro patriarchy, the natural way of life. I look forward to your comments.

    When you get a clearly defined message and support it, it will have to grow, especially in this vacuous environement. A mote of dust looks gigantic in a vacuum.

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    scottkirk Says:

    thomas..why aren’t their any mens studies books at borders…I asked the same question…and youre correct, it does come down to money…
    From what i can gather, womens groups have threatened consumer boycotts of borders if they shelve anything the women don’t like….Its called consumer cencorship..Its pretty ugly.

    When men start to get the message out, and the tables start to turn…this consumer censorship is not going to look good for these womens groups in our history books.

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    Elder George Says:

    To Thomas,

    I’m turning in now. When I log on inthe morning I hope to see the very specific messages you indicated that you have seen.

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    Thomas Says:

    Another Interesting thing about Borders – ask them where the women’s health section is and they are quick to point it out. Then ask “where is the men’s health section?” The salesperson, either male or female, invariably looks all confused, “gee, I’m not sure we have one, I guess we must…” It’s as if they know they should but they know they have never seen one.

    Eldee Gee: I was asking you for some specifics because I don’t believe mine are so great. But if I were pressed for them:

    1.) Publicize that all men in this mess (and when I say mess, I mean, been through the family court meat grinder, or any other similar gender mess) contribute, at least a little, to worthy organizations, ACFC, Hisside, Fathers and families, any that they feel seems to have accomplished some movement somewhere.

    2.) We need a single unified organization to manage this mess – similar to NOW. The MRA groups are so fractured as to resemble a bunch of soldiers running in all different directions without even a small modicum of organization. If you go to look for men’s rights or issues on the web there are thousands of them, each drawing a small sect away from all the others and each on its own, mostly impotent.

    3.) At least one popular MRA site should run a voting campaign with a fixed time line to propose various options for a fund raising campaign – the funds could be solicited from members on the selected site and on other sites. The numbers regarding goals and collections so far should published on a daily basis. An example of an end goal: a full page ad in the New York Times describing asking men if they know of the issues they face then list them, or a similar radio spot, or perhaps funds for the movie “support system down” (assuming the producer could provide a time line and specifics about where and when the movie would be available).

    4.) Organize a twice yearly conference (trueequality.com has the right idea but wrong approach). The conference needs an agenda with action items for each participant. Not just a show and tell, but instead: these are the people who are here, and this is what each of you will be responsible for. Make those assigned specific tasks accountable at the next meeting. Establish ranks so that the more active members who actually accomplish their goals get special recognition. This is something that the women’s groups have been very effective at and we have totally ignored. MRA groups are very self centered, any one who has made it somewhere does not want to share the limelight and reluctant to give others true recognition. Not everyone can be published or motivate thousands, but yet every little piece helps and recognizing efforts is very important. So in the conference – the average, but active, should be given an opportunity to discuss their activity or thoughts – FROM THE PODIUM, not just sitting in the audience.

    5.) Support ACFC’s “The Liberator” probably one of the best publications exposing the truth behind how screwed up Gender issues are when it comes to families (VAWA, Child Support, custody, etc.). Everyone buy 50 copies or 100 copies or more and place them in specific areas or actually mail them to influential people. I will be ordering at least 100 copies. This supports one of the more effective groups and also gets the word out.

    6.) Print the fliers available on several of the MRA sites detailing how badly men get screwed in a variety of ways, for example, Child support as it is applied in courts today = legalized financial rape. If you can’t find one, then create one and offer it publicly, print it, make 100’s of copies and take a few hours in your car and spread them around. Stuff them in the magazine sections of book stores, convenience stores, etc.

    7.) We need a men’s issues, states rated almanac. How friendly to families and men are various states.

    8.) Request members to support father or men friendly advertisers and or businesses.

    Well, it’s late and really I was not going to respond with specifics, since I know these are all difficult to get rolling and have many deficiencies in their own right – but some thoughts none the less.

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    thurston861 Says:

    History Channel is now reporting about the person who gave us the disaster of Social Security.

    Yes, socialism that has morally and financially bankrupted our nation.

    Yes, it was again the ill-logic of not just a Marxist under Roosevelt, but…..

    but…..

    A WOMAN!

    Francis Perkins the first female cabinet member.

    Not a darned thing have we found yet that these Women have done that is consitutuional.

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    Elder George Says:

    To Thomas,

    You were not able to list one message of any organization. That is because there are none. Let’s put the concept that the men’s movement has a message to bed. There is no message.

    Your suggestions were methods on how to address the symptoms. That never rallies the troops.

    The feminists had clear cut causes: “We want the right to vote.” That’s simple isn’t it? After they got the right to vote they then demanded “Equality in the workplace.” Simple again isn’t it?

    One of my messages is “Patriarchy is family.” Simple isn’t it? There is no such thing as family without the authority of men.

    How about, “Family is the focal point of civilization.” Simple again.

    You are so steeped in the workings of Western thought that you can’t see outside of it. You deal in symptoms not causes. Solutions can only be arrived at when the cause is addressed.

    Even your act of putting ten books in the libraries indicates how enmeshed you are in the system. If you ever buy my books please don’t put them in the libraries or in any institution; give them to people. People make change.

    In summation, there are no messages. Men’s Action to Rebuild Society has a message. It says patrairchy is family. It has a website, a mission statement, a book, information materials, and experience. It requires that men act. That is the difficult part for Western man–he wants some institution to make the change for him. It won’t happen. He has to do it. Can you do it? Then become invoved with Men’s Action.

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    conservativation Says:

    I think the groups that exist have very specific goals. The problem can be that the goals are SO specific there then exists a plethora of fractured groups…one for shared parenting, one for divorce reform, one for men’s health, one for false accusation reform of rape, another for false DV accusation reform, another yet for child support reform, etc.
    The members of these groups are coincidentally like minded and very likely to align with an overarching movement that claims to deal with all of these things.
    Here is the rub, the unspoken question. If all those groups united and fought on all those fronts, maybe some or all of those things change. But. that is within the overall system. Talk of the system being what evolved the problems is essentially correct. So therefore, we sit and wait until the system collapses…could be decades…or are we suggesting anarchy? Revolutionary ideas? The conundrum is that if men began within their homes and lives to live like patriarchal men, the system can still haul their asses off to prison while the system stands. Though in the hoes where it occurs naturally, where order is accepted, sure that home will be much improved.
    So is a call to action for each of us to get our backyard in order, and convince our friends and neighbors to do same? Maybe, that can hasten the natural collapse of a twisted system.

    These practical considerations are important, not born of doubt and fear, but out of seeing the endgame, the goal, and deciding who is willing to literally sacrifice themselves on the alter of change to get there.

    I think I may have summed up some of the confusion and ducking and weaving we always have on these threads.

    Are we revolutionaries? Are we pacifist Ghandi type societal changers. Or are we a kind of Montana militia who just want to be left alone?

  12. 12
    Elder George Says:

    To Conservativation,

    Your ruminating as ususal.

    I gave two examples of short clear messages that the feminists had and were easy to rally around.

    You are talking about effects as I pointed out in my previous comments.

    Jump into the water Conservativation, then you won’t be focusing on the plus and minuses of every issue. You’ll immediately realize that it’s necessary to swim iin a certain direction. the action will be swimming not talking.

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    Thomas Says:

    Well, again I feel conflicted to post here again as it seems more talk and no action, but none the less here I am.

    Eldee: As for me not providing a message – a mere oversight – there are plenty and a few posts since mine have mentioned them. They are all real! Very Real!

    Shared Parenting, an absolute necessity – kids Need Both Parents in the wake of separate parenting. That’s about as simple a message as you can get: Shared Parenting Legislation – in the end it will have a huge ripple effect restoring the importance of fathers and men in our most critical function as human beings – the raising, direction, motivation and love of our children. It is the very future of ourselves and our world.

    Equal Rights for all representations of men. If there is a Women’s health organization in the government then there should be an equally funded Men’s health organization. Why isn’t there? If VAWA exists then it needs to be ratified or a VAMA needs to be introduced.

    Eliminate Invalid Stereo Types, this was clearly one of the women’s movements biggest issue – it wasn’t voting – if you think voting was their true platform it is you who is steeped in the workings of western civilization and worse yet you have been duped by the very group that would rip your views apart. Women banded together because they realized that they were treated like second class citizens – not only in voting, but smoking, where they were “allowed” to be, that they were the brunt of many gender specific jokes, etc. etc. And everyone of them reacted – they didn’t just laugh and then say “let’s go play some golf.”

    Child Support Law reform, it is absolutely clear that not only are the child support guidelines (laws) ridiculous and frivolous (I could list 20 reasons here without much effort, certainly one of the clearest being they are good at collecting it but provide absolutely no assurance that the monies get to the children) but also that they are also not even applied properly or justly.

    There are many others as well. But to your comment on stocking libraries – your statement is foolish. You say on one hand that providing books to libraries doesn’t help because you think it is better to put the books in the hands of people – what do you think stocking libraries does? It makes the books accessible to people – many people. In my action – it worked on a small scale as I provided these books to the libraries just prior to fathers day and on a visit near fathers day, found them on display. Unfortunately the libraries have full discretion on what they stock and they do not stock books on men’s issues. Why? A few reasons: 1.) Women are not interested in them and worse yet, neither are men. 2.) Who controls the libraries inventory – largely women – so if they have a choice between a book on Breast Cancer v. Prostate cancer and must pick one based on limited shelf space – guess what?

    Not important – think again – the prevalence of books and literature in libraries and book stores and schools shapes our children and our society’s views – clearly one of the reasons you wrote your books. But a book written but unavailable is as worthless as a book never written. If you want to ignore western civilization and the way it works you will always be a quiet radical. You need to work within the framework which is already established. Unfortunately even a very important message presented in a book will only get circulated if there are extrinsic motivators, not intrinsic motivators. What makes a book popular has more to do with where it appears, how often, and who says it is good. Money. Pay Oprah a few hundred thousand dollars and your book can be an overnight success. Naturally there are many exceptions, but for books on the topics we are discussing – this is basically it.

    Have you heard of the “The Mr. & Mrs. Happy Handbook?” A huge success. Why? It was rammed down our throats by incessant advertising every morning by the author on FOX news.

    These blogs are some of the very reasons the MRA movement is floundering – when it comes to public action Men don’t unite – they battle, women unite – then battle.

    If you are looking for a message – it should be Men Unite.

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    Elder George Says:

    To Thomas,

    Let’s not get personal. I don’t cast aspirtions about your menatality because you do not understand.

    Some of your points, such as the library, did you not state that you gave your books to the library and when you went to find them, none of them were available? Do you consider your donation to the library to have been successful?

    Shared parenting will not have a huge ripple effect. What will have a huge ripple effect is men asserting themselves and establishing patriarchy; then none of these other things that you mentiion will exist.

    And who is going to make these changes–the government of course? And you’re happy for it to take care of it. So then the government is running your life. That’s what you have now. The reason that you have it now is that you can’t assert yourself as a man. All else is commentary, rumination, and gossip.

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    thurston861 Says:

    well thomas you came up with a message.

    so who has been preaching it?

    so your answer does not prove his point?

    would both men and women support ‘Men of America, Grow Up and Lead?’

    men uniting would be if they felt oppressed. most men are trained not to feel oppressed.

    it’s their duty to take one for the team. that’s why most tax prosecutions are against men, innocent spouse program is for women…generally.

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    Thomas Says:

    Hi Thurston – good point.

    Elder George – Sorry if you feel I said something personal – did mean to and didn’t think I did. My library action – it’s hard to say, in one way it was, as immediately after I donated these books, two libraries but them on display for father’s day, however a visit about a year later and they no longer had them. When I confronted them as to why most responded they had to be sent to another branch with more shelf space – they could not tell me which branch.

    Your point about Shared Parenting is not correct in my view, in fact it seems circular. This is why. Who largely supports Shared Parenting? Men – Men who believe in true equality – and therefore Success with shared parenting is in fact the result of “men asserting themselves and establishing patriarchy [or at least their patriarchic role].”

    Why I say Shared Parenting would have a huge ripple effect – men are consistently at a loss of funds as a result of incredibly unfair and unfairly applied child support laws and guidelines as well as radical court financial decisions, and extensive legal fees to protect whatever they do have or their principles and their relationships with their children. Shared parenting would quickly put an end to this. In addition by leaving men financially empowered they would have more flexibility to support action. Unfortunately, most men tangled up in this web are destroyed by legal fees, sometimes even those of their ex’s, and huge child support payments (which amount to nothing but the transfer of wealth). In addition, shared parenting would quickly eliminate huge incentives for women to see men as merely sperm buckets. Women would become more accountable for their actions and would in part be answerable to the father’s position on child rearing. As of now they are completely empowered and do anything they wish causing huge hardships for men everywhere. Shared Parenting would further demonstrate nationwide the importance of men further underwriting their cause. And men themselves, with or without children will sense this new empowerment.

    As for government – in my view you are partially correct – because you miss an important point. If we are successful getting government to change and adopt legislation which is gender neutral, then we control government – at least to some extent. Furthermore if we get government and courts to enforce simple constitutional rights – we will be controlling government.

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    Menck Says:

    Thomas has some serious points.

    No matter how good the message, worldview or underlying philosophy nothing happens unless it is made actionable. And, regrettably, in this society that is exactly how it works and has worked for a long time.

    With all respect to George, nobody will be able to alter that fact in the forseeable future so if anything is to change that’s the only way it will happen.

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    Elder George Says:

    Making it actionable is what I am expounding. The system will no longer permit you to have action; therefore, action must take place outside of the system.

    More importantly the system is collapsing and will drag you down with it. the only way to avoid that is to act collaberatively outside the system.

    The issue in the West is that you cannot coneive of acting outside of the system. Perhaps I need to write another blog.

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    Thomas Says:

    Menck – Thanks.

    I wanted to add one thing – Men need to unite about the issue facing men and it will not be easy. Many men have not really adopted equality and that is one the biggest problems. So our biggest enemy of true equality are men who say they believe in true equality but really don’t and hence, to feel more powerful in a politically correct environment, instead bend over backwards (or frontward – yikes!) in an effort to help the poor, little, inferior women.

    Case in point – Bill O’riely when he had Matt Dubay on his program. Bill was confronted with pure rationality – if women have the right to chose how come men don’t. It was a very clear and simple debate with one question – why is one gender fully empowered in child birth and the other not empowered at all, in fact made they are made subservient – especially since our constitution guarantees equal treatment. Bill could not provide any logical or rational comments, all he could say is basically, and I paraphrase, “I think it is downright disgraceful that this man not stand up and be a man and provide this woman with the financial backing she so desperately needs.” Let’s translate Bill’s statement considering some possibilities of what he was actually thinking. “I think it is awful that this big powerful man, who is obviously superior to this woman – cause all men are, not provide some small portion of his extensive estate to this poor, little, fragile woman who now has no hope of getting anywhere in the world since she is so meek and incapable – by the way, I don’t really care if the money gets to the kids – I just assume she will spend it there – because all women are 100% honest and angelical.”

    Furthermore the actions of men must concentrate on true equality – something that promotes respect of both men and women – without this underlying current – you can forget it. Personally, I think this is the right approach anyway but additionally it is obvious that any change we expect will not come by convincing 50% of the population that it is the right choice.

    Elder sorry – typo in prior post “Sorry if you feel I said something personal – did mean to and didn’t think I did.” Should have read “Sorry if you feel I said something personal – didn’t mean to and didn’t think I did.”

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    Menck Says:

    E.G. “The issue in the West is that you cannot coneive of acting outside of the system. Perhaps I need to write another blog.”

    EG, I understand what you are saying and even philosophically agree with you. This culture is pretty far down the pike to evaporating into a cloud of dust and being replaced by some hybrid amalgamation of anti-Western cultures in the relatively near-term future.

    But, short of creating an entire parallel society within a society, or expatriating to another locale far, far away to build a new one, what are the realistic options? (Not that these ideas don’t have merit. The question here is feasibility and practicality.)

    It seems that the best approach is to use what already exists and works if healthy marriage and family are to be redeemed to any appreciable degree.

    Sure, my own thinking is Western like other guy’s, but even being able to think outside of that box doesn’t change how the rest of society works.

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    ggreen67 Says:

    Well EG,

    Though I don’t agree with your entire philosophy, I do agree with enough to stand with you. As a single man I really have nothing to loose. I’m the perfect soldier.

    “I’m in”

  22. 22
    Thomas Says:

    GGreen,

    In for what?

    And please no fuzzy stuff. Be specific and clear. Philosopihical cr*p is great for our arm chairs – but does little else?

    So…. In for what?

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    thurston861 Says:

    Well, the First thing to do is REJECT the Statist Marriage License, then the Courts, and then the philosphy of Misandry of Academia.

    Not letting Materialism guide you, nor the false path of happiness that the sick and twisted trap of society offers.

    This gives you the opportunity to become a MAN. Not a Consumer (Fight Club) not a servant prisoner of Woman.

    Then there is respecting women enough to tell them the truth about their Mental Slave Masters to convince them to confederate with you and be a REAL WIFE, to a REAL MAN.

    Just like the Movie Fight Club, there are women out there who know that life is empty and all the things sold to them by Feminists and Media are not doing the trick.

    What is missing?

    REAL MEN. But are they ready to be REAL WOMEN and spiritually enlightened? Or are they just rushing to keep up with other women?

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    scottkirk Says:

    Thomas ..youve got some great ideas…lets start a board of directors, and start some action instead of frivolous rhetoric..start a web site, and invite others who are interested in youre brand of action…as i would be interested in joining…

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    ggreen67 Says:

    Thomas,

    I’m not really sure what I’m in for. Haven’t given it much thought. Not much need at the moment.

    I know however, that EG has the background, the vision, and most importantly, the willingness to be a leader.

    I’ve been reading EG’s works for quite a while and I know where he wants to go. Whether he… we will make it is unknown. Our society certainly can stand a little shakeup though.

    Like I stated previously, I do not agree with everything EG wants, but thats OK. I don’t see anyone else presenting any better ideas.

    Oh. Here’s is a little philosophical crap for ya…

    “In the beginning of change, the Patriot is a scarce man, Brave, Hated, and Scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs NOTHING to be a Patriot.”

    -Mark Twain

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