The Gilberta Estrada Case: When Andrea Yates Killed Her Kids, Everybody Blamed Her Husband, Too

2007-05-31
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(Pictured: The Yates family before Andrea Yates drowned her five children in a bathtub)

Background: Gilberta Estrada recently hung her four small daughters, three of whom died, and many are blaming her ex-boyfriend Gregorio Frayre Rodriguez, against whom she had a temporary restraining order. What many fail to realize is that domestic violence restraining orders are passed out by courts almost automatically, and they in no way represent a judicial finding of violence or wrongdoing. Estrada may or may not have been a victim of domestic violence.

To learn more about the case, see my blog entry Texas Mother Murders Her 3 Children–and It’s Ex-Boyfriend’s Fault?!

After Andrea Yates drowned her five children in the family’s Houston bathtub in 2001, her husband, Russell Yates, was widely blamed for the killings. I appeared on many Texas radio shows at the time to defend Russell, and was so vilified that I often felt as if I were defending the person who had committed the murders.

Around that time my column “In Defense of a Flawed but Decent Russell Yates” appeared in the Houston Chronicle. The column, which is reprinted below, was the only column defending Russell Yates to appear in a major American newspaper.

In Defense of a Flawed but Decent Russell Yates
By Glenn Sacks
Houston Chronicle, 3/11/02

“It’s a shame that there’s no law that can give Russell Yates his due,” writes syndicated columnist Debra Saunders. “Russell Yates ought to be locked up instead of his wife,” says writer Cindy Hasz. Creators Syndicate’s Froma Harrop sneers that he probably “misses the obedient drudge who bore and raised his five children more than the five children.” Harsh words for Russell Yates have come from many others, particularly former O. J. Simpson prosecutor Marcia Clark.

What these and others forget is that it’s hard to make the right decision when you don’t have a lot of options. According to Andrea Yates’ brother, Andrew Kennedy, Russell Yates “did his best….He trusted the doctors and he did everything they said to do. He made sure she took her medication.”

Psychiatrist Mohammed Saeed took Yates off the drug Haldol on June 4. Russell Yates, worried about his wife, brought her back to Dr. Saeed on June 18. The doctor said he saw no sign of psychosis and sent her home.

Two days later, she killed their five children.

Instead of using 20-20 hindsight, let’s look at the situation as it must have appeared to Russell Yates before June 20. Mental illness is difficult for untrained people to cope with and to comprehend. Dr. Saeed had indicated that he believed that Andrea Yates was getting better, and Andrea herself has testified that she told nobody, not even her husband, about the “voices in her head.”

While Russell surely had doubts about leaving the kids with her, he didn’t have a lot of choices. He couldn’t quit his job to care for the kids–somebody had to put food on the table. Ending the home-schooling, a violation of both of their beliefs, might have been a severe blow to his fragile wife’s self-esteem, perhaps pushing her over the edge.

Instead, Russell made the one move he needed to make–he had his mother come in to watch the kids every day. He generally left for work at 9 am and his mother arrived at 10 am, and he thought he had the situation under control.

He also probably believed that the best thing to do was to try to keep their family life stable, to try to be cheerful and to make the kids happy, and to hope that the medications would work and that his wife would get better. He had seen Andrea spiral down after the birth of their fourth child, and then apparently become completely healthy again–exercising regularly and cheerfully being super-mom. He may have believed that much of what Andrea was going through early last year was simply post-pregnancy mood swings, and that she would get better if he was patient.

He also attributed much of his wife’s distress to the death of her father in March of last year. And he no doubt was in some denial, as people who are trapped in difficult situations often are. As he walked out the door to go to work on June 20, should he really have expected that his wife was waiting for him to leave so she could kill their children? (more…)

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  • El Cid

    The Houston Chronicle published an opinion piece two or three years ago about the “Yates tragedy.”

    What was the “tragedy”? That Andrea was convicted of murder instead of being treated for insanity. The author (a woman) seemed to have no sense that the death of 5 children could be considered a tragedy.

    I’m warped, I guess–I think it’s more important to find a way to prevent the death of the 5 children than to make sure their murderess was treated fairly.

  • Robert Stevens

    The only good thing about the Andrea Yates case, If you can call it that , is that Andrea Yates did go to prison for life. It will not bring back the five inocent little children she murdered, but punishing people , even if life in prison is not enought and it isn’t, sends a message to those that do the deed. It don’t matter if you are a woman and it don’t matter if you sit around and say how crazy you are, you will be punished. No excuse will be made for you. This is a hard message for women and society to take. You have to be a total lunkhead to say some woman should not be held accountable and we should find a man to punish. If the woman is the one who commited the murder.
    Russell Yate did not go to work the morning the tragedy occured, saying ” I have got to go to work, so my crazy can murder my children and I will not be there to stop her. Never in a million years did that occur, it is time, and not just here in Texas, to start holding women accountable, even if that means some of them end up being executed for the crimes they committ.
    I think that once we start enforcing the law like the founding fathers wanted it. Thiswill cause women to grow up, socially , legally and morally.
    This will make women truelly equal ,instead of hollering equal, then demanding special rights in the same breath. They may even start to feel bad when they do something wrong and understand that it is righteous , fair and just , when they get the same punishment as a man would get.

  • thurston861

    RS – That was great.

  • thurston861

    OK Estrada was an illegal, and her children were Anchor Babies?

    She spoke no english and could not drive.

    She did not have a “Husband,” so VAWA did not apply.

    It looks like she was a Criminal, an illegal alien, but we are supposed to have compassion for the “Victim.”

    I wonder if the Liberals and their Lackey Women have ever heard of an Inadvertant Tragedy?

    Seems none of this would not have happened had she not broken the law and come here illegally, if that is in deed the fact that has been withheld so far.

  • thurston861

    ONG! Case worker’s comments “”Unless anyone has walked in her shoes [accross the Border in the middle of the night] and knows what it is like to be a victim [who had a right to vote in her economically plundered nation who refuses to overthrow the elitists who will soon govern here] and have four kids [yes we all know she had nothing to do with that] and not speak English [Yes the poor dear woke up one moring in the wrong country purely by chance] and not drive [yes she was deprived of her Feminine Anchor Baby Machine for La Raza extra-constitutional right to a car] and live in a trailer home [poor thing was not given her Feminine Anchor Baby Machine for La Raza extra-constitutional right to a dwelling of her choice], no one has the right to judge her.

    “I want it to be known, she loved her daughters very much.” [That she killed them]

    Yep, no Right to Judge a Mother’s Right to Choose=the Right to Kill.

    Nothing different from Roman Times. Fathers used to have that right exclusively, now Mom’s Do. They seem to take that Right seriously in Texas.

    Oh! I get it, she was distraught that the new Immigration Bill was going to Make America into the Nation that she had just previously fled from.

    Now I can see why one would lose hope.

  • bolwriter

    Andrea Yates was mentally ill in a way that sometimes prevented her from understanding right from wrong. Her original conviction for murder was a travesty of justice which has now been righted. Russell Yates, as Glenn says, was roundly and wrongfully villified as in some way responsible for failing to prevent his wife’s terrible actions. Only one publication as far as I know has so far claimed that Estrada’s boyfriend was in some way responsible for her murder of three of her children. From the Houston Chronicle’s article, it seems apparent that she was in despair about money (she worked at Wendy’s) and that led to the killings and suicide.

  • MuchWiserNow

    bolwriter said,

    ‘Andrea Yates was mentally ill in a way that sometimes prevented her from understanding right from wrong. Her original conviction for murder was a travesty of justice which has now been righted.’

    The ‘travesty of justice’ is the fact that 5 INNOCENT children are dead!

    bolwriter said,

    ‘Only one publication as far as I know has so far claimed that Estrada’s boyfriend was in some way responsible for her murder of three of her children.’

    That’s one publication too many! Pray that you will never be in Russell Yates’ shoes. Pray that you will never be in the shoes of Estrada’s boyfriend. (e.g. the victim of a restaining order without being given any chance to offer a defense or the loss of a child through murder!)

  • thurston861

    So, she came here believing the streets paved with gold and got a job….hm.

    Then it must have been the coming Mexicanization of America in the Immigration Bill that sent her over the edge.

    Yep, that is making a lot of people hopeless.

    Cannot wait until people feel sorry for me for not Speaking Spanish.

  • Joi

    “The Gilberta Estrada Case: When Andrea Yates Killed Her Kids, Everybody Blamed Her Husband, Too” Well, of course.

    You see… You guys still don’t get it…

    As far as society is concerned men are not “totally” human, we are now considered sub-human, and blood does not circulate through our veins but PURE evil.

    As far as society is concerned if you cut a man pure evil will come out, not blood. Hence, society claims evil must be destroyed for the greater good. Soon there will be gas chambers made for us as depicted in SCUM Manifesto – Valerie Solanas.

  • jeremy

    I think that when a mother murders her infant(s) or small children, the perception among many people is that she got rid of her own property. Also, we try to rationalize the unspeakable by chalking it up to mental illness, abuse, neglect, poverty, etc rather than hold the murderous mother accountable. Holding her accountable (as we do murderous fathers) would require that we question maternal innocence and more broadly, female virtue.

  • amfortas

    Chivalry perverted.

  • Joi

    What keeps me going is my little king james version bible.

    If hundreds of men read this and feel down, etc….
    Get a king james bible and find peace and love in christ. :-)

  • http://www.false-accusers.com TheManOnTheStreet

    She got the restraining order so that she wouldn’t be deported. Plain and simple. She knew the game…. she knew how to play the system.

    Kinda hard to “face your accuser” under law when she is dead, isn’t it…. So as far as anyone is concerned, he MUST have been the lout she claimed him to be. because the bubblegum wrapper (AKA TRO) says so. Cannot prove her wrong now can we….

    The ultimate “get even with the evil male” is to kill “her” children….

    TMOTS

  • thurston861

    if the father of the first 3 is an illegal or even unknown, there is no support money.

    so they were Her children, as the man is unknown.

    and…no support!

    The Horror of it all!

  • Menck

    Not to divert the focus of the thread here, but jeremy brought up a good point in his comment #10: “I think that when a mother murders her infant(s) or small children, the perception among many people is that she got rid of her own property.”

    My own perception over the years is that divorced/divorcing women widely view their children as just that — personal property.

    They seem to hold this irrational belief all the way from the beginning infant years and probably in many cases secretly hold it even after the kids become young adults in their own right.

    And certainly it seems that the culture reinforces this belief at every juncture and ultimately so in family court deliberations. Children are the rightful ‘property’ of mothers, ergo their ‘property’ must not be allowed to be pilfered by the father (i.e. Ruthless Land Baron).

    Possession, naturally, is nine tenths of the law.

    And of course, to be ‘taken away’ is defined as being allowed to visit with your own kids MORE than two weekends a month. So that monthly fortnight schedule is the codified limit. Women must have the strictures of law to keep their personal holdings from thieving men.

    Or something like that.

  • Artfldgr

    Same thing over and over… I am thinking of putting them in a list and numbering them… that way… we can just say… 12-456-72343-786-4534 and know all there is to say again…

    meanwhile… read the caption under the photo.. are we really so stupid that we cant tell that that picture was BEFORE she killed the kids? does this mean there is a family photo of her, her husband, and the dead kids after she drowned them?

  • bolwriter

    MuchWiser Now – It’s scarcely a travesty of justice that Yates killed her children. The justice system was not involved prior to their deaths. Should it have been? Should CPS have taken the children from Andrea and Russell? Surely you’re not making that argument.

    One publication tarring the boyfriend may be one too many, but the headline of this piece says “everybody blamed her too.” My point was that one minor publication does not constitute “everybody.”

  • thurston861

    The uncontrolled “Children as Property Impulse” could be a good argument supporting Father’s being given custody, as Mother’s do do this more often and do posses the “Children as Property Impulse”.

    Great connection point!

    Anyone want to develop it?

  • thurston861

    “In every human society,” says the celebrated Marquis Beccaria, “there is an effort continually tending to confer on one part the height of power and happiness, and to reduce the other to the extreme of weakness and misery. The intent of good laws is to oppose this effort, and to diffuse their influence universally and equally.

    “Rulers stimulated by this pernicious “effort,” and subjects animated by the just “intent of opposing good laws against it,” have occasioned that vast variety of events that fill the histories of so many nations. All these histories demonstrate the truth of this simple position, that to live by the will of one man, or set of men, is the production of misery to all men.

    ———————————–Journals of the Continental Congress, Chapter 14, Rights, Document 12 1:105-13, October 26, 1774 (John Dickenson)

    Seems to go the same way with Women

  • thurston861
  • MuchWiserNow

    bolwriter said,

    ‘MuchWiser Now – It’s scarcely a travesty of justice that Yates killed her children. The justice system was not involved prior to their deaths. Should it have been? Should CPS have taken the children from Andrea and Russell? Surely you’re not making that argument.’

    Why would you include Russell Yates? He wasn’t mistreating the children. He didn’t murder the children. Perhaps I should have been more specific. The ‘travesty of justice’ is the fact that 5 INNOCENT children are dead and no one is being held accountable! Isn’t it rather odd that four different women in Texas have murdered their children in a horrible fashion and not one has been convicted of murder? Now that you mention it, had CPS taken the children away from Andrea Yates and given full custody to their father…they would be alive today!

    Your attitude seems to indicate you are willing to forgive similar crimes which have been recently committed by women. Would you have been so kind if the perpetrators were male?

    1. Police: Mom Throws Baby Across Room, Wanted her Dead
    May 21, 2007 06:44 PM
    Toledo, OH – An Ohio mother is behind bars after allegedly throwing her baby daughter across the room. Police say Jowanna Madrid tossed her 10-month-old – then told them she hoped her daughter was dead.
    Thankfully, the child wasn’t seriously hurt. Witnesses say this isn’t the first time they have seen this kind of abuse from her. What’s worse, Madrid is pregnant with her second child. Her baby is now in protective custody.

    2. Woman Pleads Guilty to Beheading her 6 yr old daughter.

    3. Mother of a 12 year old child ‘punished’ her daughter for misbehaving by submerging her in a tub of scalding water.

    Just a few examples of women who are given little or no punishment for crimes committed against children!

  • bolwriter

    MuchWiserNow

    No, my attitude is that we have to view each case on its facts. Each case is different, and to my mind, a balanced view of the Yates case is that she was certified insane and truly had no understanding that what she was doing was wrong. It’s true that no one in that case was held accountable. That’s how it is sometimes – a horrible tragedy occurs and there’s no one that criminal law can point to and say “guilty.”

    I too am aware of the other cases in which women damage or kill children and are let off the hook. I think that’s because we still have a mindset that mothers are good and loving toward their children and would never harm them unless they were insane. That’s a mindset that needs to change, but hasn’t yet. But again, each case has to be viewed on its facts. I think Yates and the woman who cut her baby’s arms off were both incapable of knowing what they were doing. The others, including Estrada, I can’t comment on because I don’t have the info.

  • scottkirk

    Hey, women can cut their babies arms off if they want to…their babies are theirs right..






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